DuckTales Remastered

2013-08-22 02:09:18 pm

I just did a run with a ~15 second boulder skip. I definitely think it can be done in under 10 seconds by getting the first one to despawn when you kill the slug (I managed to do it a few times after the run).

http://www.twitch.tv/mashystrr/c/2798375?t=3m45s

Radman

2013-08-22 03:56:40 pm

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This is definitely harder on console. The points of reference George gave don't work. It might be my TV or the cosmetic differences in game. I gotta find my own reference points to make this more consistent. :|

AlexMoron

2013-08-22 04:10:31 pm

Quote from Radman:

This is definitely harder on console. The points of reference George gave don't work. It might be my TV or the cosmetic differences in game. I gotta find my own reference points to make this more consistent. :|

I feel the best way to get it down is to practice it yourself. I tried using both reference points posted in this thread and they didn't really work for me until I just practiced and made my own. And I'm using the Steam version of the game as well.

Anyway, here's the video of my run this morning when I had 1st for the few hours before Capndrake swooped back in. You can see just how insane my RNG was which I'll probably never get again. Even the Amazon boss had great RNG.

http://www.twitch.tv/alexmoron/c/2796375

Radman

2013-08-22 04:22:03 pm

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Yeah. Once we all get these tricks and routes down. Good runs will all come down to boss RNG. Here's what I've found:

Amazon - During his attack phase, you want him to stay grounded. If he leaps immediately from entering the arena, then that's doable, but if he jumps late, you either have to wait or damage yourself as well. When the walls move, you want the floor or ceiling to move all at once. This is the fastest. The floor or ceiling scaling is bad, it wastes time.
Transylvania - For the first fire cycle, you want her to shoot horizontally twice. The second fire cycle is give or take. The third however, I believe vertically is faster as it cycles quicker when she's near death. Mirror phase is obvious. Lower is better.
African Mine - Not much RNG here. Just hope he uses the Terra Firmie roll twice in the beginning. The rockslide speeds up when near death.
Himalayas - The plane fight is the biggest roll of the dice in the game. Optimally, you want Bomb-Beagle-Bomb-Beagle until the end. Each Beagle costs about 5 seconds. All you can hope for the Yeti is that she doesn't do a straight up slam before she smashes the outer ice cubes.
Moon - During its teleport phase, hope it spawns low. Higher spawn points (ie the ones above the side platforms) use up more time.
Vesuvius - You want Dragon. Giant is ok, just a tad slower. Bat is awful, and can cost 5 seconds per slam.

And can I get a confirmation that you can end Dracula's Giant phase early by pogoing on his beak somehow?

Yeah. Once we all get these tricks and routes down. Good runs will all come down to boss RNG. Here's what I've found:

Amazon - During his attack phase, you want him to stay grounded. If he leaps immediately from entering the arena, then that's doable, but if he jumps late, you either have to wait or damage yourself as well. When the walls move, you want the floor or ceiling to move all at once. This is the fastest. The floor or ceiling scaling is bad, it wastes time.
Transylvania - For the first fire cycle, you want her to shoot horizontally twice. The second fire cycle is give or take. The third however, I believe vertically is faster as it cycles quicker when she's near death. Mirror phase is obvious. Lower is better.
African Mine - Not much RNG here. Just hope he uses the Terra Firmie roll twice in the beginning. The rockslide speeds up when near death.
Himalayas - The plane fight is the biggest roll of the dice in the game. Optimally, you want Bomb-Beagle-Bomb-Beagle until the end. Each Beagle costs about 5 seconds. All you can hope for the Yeti is that she doesn't do a straight up slam before she smashes the outer ice cubes.
Moon - During its teleport phase, hope it spawns low. Higher spawn points (ie the ones above the side platforms) use up more time.
Vesuvius - You want Dragon. Giant is ok, just a tad slower. Bat is awful, and can cost 5 seconds per slam.

And can I get a confirmation that you can end Dracula's Giant phase early by pogoing on his beak somehow?

AlexMoron

2013-08-22 04:27:18 pm

Quote from Radman:

And can I get a confirmation that you can end Dracula's Giant phase early by pogoing on his beak somehow?

Yeah, I think it was first discovered by Capndrake. Ever since I've been doing it, he only bites down thrice rather than the normal amount (which I don't remember anymore).

Radman

2013-08-22 04:31:55 pm

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It's 5. But that would actually make Giant fastest now. Wasn't there a way to manipulate what he transforms into?

And I think I found my consistent points now. Just gotta work on em and make sure I hit them in a real run. Tongue

mashystrr

2013-08-22 04:43:14 pm

With the bat phase, if you are standing under the safe spot as it forms, the bats will lower almost immediately. So the best course of action is to predict where the safe spot will spawn. Also, for anyone who didn't already know, the safe spot will always spawn on the opposite half of the screen from where it was before.

Ahee

2013-08-22 04:56:51 pm

Hi guys! Im going to start running this too, first playthrough on easy after completing expert was 45:23 in game time. That run was slow, but now im going to practice all the stages one by one and learning the clitches. That moon clitch was really easy but the boulder skip is kinda painfull. Gotta train some more Tongue

PS: running on pc

Radman

2013-08-22 04:59:00 pm

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By the sound of it, everyone but KingBroly and I are running this on PC. Guess we'll always be cursed with loading times. :|

Capndrake

2013-08-22 06:26:59 pm

Actually, if you can get on top of Dracula Duck's beak in the yellow phase before he attacks a single time, he'll stop after 2 attacks.

KingBroly

2013-08-22 08:16:19 pm

That's interesting. Not very hard to do, either since he always spawns in the middle.

Ahee

2013-08-22 09:27:01 pm

Theres a few tricks i have used that i didnt see on this thread or Capndrakes run.

First is in himalayas when you go through those ice cubes with bubba. You can pogo through some of the cubes so bubba goes faster to the next one.

Others are at the last boss. When dracula teleports near to you (and down, not after 3 hits) the image comes a little before than the hit box, so you can pogo jump to the middle of him and hit him before he sends the bat.
When dracula has taken those 3 hits you can skip the second bat by timing the jump on the first bat so that the bat is as high as it can be. These only save a few seconds but its still something.

Here is video demonstration. Sorry about the audio, had my xsplit record my mic instead of the game voice :F

http://www.twitch.tv/ahhee/c/2800286 Dracula

http://www.twitch.tv/ahhee/c/2800347 Bubba

AlexMoron

2013-08-22 11:07:54 pm

Quote from Ahee:

Theres a few tricks i have used that i didnt see on this thread or Capndrakes run.

First is in himalayas when you go through those ice cubes with bubba. You can pogo through some of the cubes so bubba goes faster to the next one.

Others are at the last boss. When dracula teleports near to you (and down, not after 3 hits) the image comes a little before than the hit box, so you can pogo jump to the middle of him and hit him before he sends the bat.
When dracula has taken those 3 hits you can skip the second bat by timing the jump on the first bat so that the bat is as high as it can be. These only save a few seconds but its still something.

Here is video demonstration. Sorry about the audio, had my xsplit record my mic instead of the game voice :F

http://www.twitch.tv/ahhee/c/2800286 Dracula

http://www.twitch.tv/ahhee/c/2800347 Bubba

Great job on your findings! I don't know why I never thought to pogo those ice cubes.

Radman

2013-08-23 06:02:13 am

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I knew the ice cubes bit. But I never knew to early hit Dracula. Now if I can only get a decent run in to try that. Tongue

Demo

2013-08-23 05:28:47 pm

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To anybody interested, these are the current splits for the fastest known time (Capndrake's run).

Time was started on difficulty selection, splits were hit on the final hit of each boss (Not when you receive the item or "Stage Clear"), and the final split was hit on the final platform.

This is what I've been running against currently.

Radman

2013-08-23 06:21:41 pm

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Wait, now we're deciding when to split? I've always done it when it said 'Stage Clear'. Does it matter? It's not like we're tracking ILs...are we?

BTW, I'm getting my streaming equipment, hopefully tomorrow. So expect live runs. :3

Satoryu

2013-08-23 06:24:13 pm

Visually Appealing

http://www.twitch.tv/naxxel/c/2773980

Stumbled across this Extreme run on Twitch. 41:00 real time, 38:37 in game time. He didn't use the skips, so this time is definitely improvable.

About timing. Because the game only keeps track of your fastest universal playthrough, we can't really use the game's timer for every category. So I'd suggest all SDA runs be in real time.

And because of the version differences, I believe this is a case where loading times would be subtracted from the end time to make it fair across the board. I believe this is SDA's process with situations like this. Because of that, and this is more personal, but I'd start wsplit at gain of control because the load time after skipping the first cutscene would be gone anyway.

Radman

2013-08-23 06:26:47 pm

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Thank you for agreeing with me on that point Satoryu. But that would be hard to track timewise on a split. We'd need to time all load times together. I don't have the patience for that. X3

Satoryu

2013-08-23 06:39:12 pm

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Yeah, of course you wouldn't do that on a live recording. I'm just saying it could be done once the run is submitted.

Radman

2013-08-23 06:41:38 pm

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True. First I need a run that is halfway decent.
Maybe I'll get it tomorrow. X3

Demo

2013-08-23 06:55:31 pm

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Quote from Radman:

Wait, now we're deciding when to split? I've always done it when it said 'Stage Clear'. Does it matter? It's not like we're tracking ILs...are we?

BTW, I'm getting my streaming equipment, hopefully tomorrow. So expect live runs. :3

No, no. Apologies. I was just letting everybody know where I split up Capn's run so if they wanted to compare themselves timewise, they could.

KingBroly

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KingBroly: 2013-08-23 07:28:49 pm

2013-08-23 07:28:18 pm

Individual Levels can be ran, because after you beat the game you can replay any level on any difficulty except Extreme.

And I still have no updated runs cuz I've been busy.

Radman

2013-08-23 07:53:30 pm

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I have no updated runs for a couple reasons. One, because all my runs have been garbage, and two I'm focusing on expanding my library.

George

2013-08-23 08:43:59 pm

Another reason to stop using game time: The game doesn't count against you if you exit a level. Sure this is great if someone wants to get the best time on the leaderboard by grinding out the best possible IL times including getting lucky RNG, but it's another reason we can't really depend on game time.

rTiimber

2013-08-24 01:59:19 am

I'm sort of a lurker here. I'm really interested in this game, but mostly for my own sake - I want to check if I can measure with the big game geniuses for once.

I also recognize the name "Radman" on the leaderboard on my Wii U.

I'm looking forward to a battle between us. I got 36:21 in game time yesterday (~40:35 real time) and finally got into first place on that leaderboard, which is now second place. I believe I can improve this by approximately 30-35 seconds.

I'll probably just stick with this game for a week or so more. Unfortunately I don't have the dedication some guys here have. I really admire you all for that. You are all just great!