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MrGrunz
2009-02-20 03:55:40 pm
Merry Chrismas =)
skip 99% of inverted stone tower:



requieres probably still too many explosives
petrie911
2009-02-20 04:53:00 pm
Everybody loves Hypnotoad!
so, it's basically skip 49% of Stone tower, then?  Tongue

30 explosives...ouch.  We'd need at least 1 bomb drop in the temple for that to work, and more likely 2.  And I'm not sure if there are any bomb drops in the temple.
MrGrunz
2009-02-20 04:59:14 pm
Merry Chrismas =)
yep, I thought about the same thing

maybe manipulating a enemy to give us a bomb drop?

I named the video skip 99% of inverted stone tower Tongue
ZFG
2009-02-20 05:05:11 pm
MrGrunz is a guay
There are those exploding rock things in the mirror room with the sun block, 2 to be exact.  Theres enough space between the sun block you hover over and the corner so you can get both on the right and left side of the sun block then go in the door to the wind current room.  I think it will save time if you wont have to go too far out of the way for the explosives.
Suddoman
2009-02-20 08:08:20 pm
Quote from petrie911:
so, it's basically skip 49% of Stone tower, then?  Tongue

30 explosives...ouch.  We'd need at least 1 bomb drop in the temple for that to work, and more likely 2.  And I'm not sure if there are any bomb drops in the temple.


I know rupee routing would be a beast if we did this but how long does it take to get the bomb bag upgrade?
petrie911
2009-02-21 12:50:09 am
Everybody loves Hypnotoad!
Quote from Suddoman:
Quote from petrie911:
so, it's basically skip 49% of Stone tower, then?  Tongue

30 explosives...ouch.  We'd need at least 1 bomb drop in the temple for that to work, and more likely 2.  And I'm not sure if there are any bomb drops in the temple.


I know rupee routing would be a beast if we did this but how long does it take to get the bomb bag upgrade?


If you buy it on night of the third day, not that long.  However, it's not available until 10:00 pm, leaving you with not a huge amount of time to complete STT.  However, the extra 10 chus it gives would save only 35 seconds per use.  Since it comes so late, it probably wouldn't get used much, so the time it takes to get + the time it takes to gather rupees would probalby not make up for it.

If we get it by completing the Sakon event (also getting the Blast Mask), we lose an enormous amount of time from said event, probably far more than we could make up for with bombchu hovering.
MrGrunz
2009-03-19 03:57:14 pm
Merry Chrismas =)
Owning Pirate's Fortress with Mega Flip:
petrie911
2009-03-22 07:04:44 pm
Everybody loves Hypnotoad!
Hey guys, remember that 100% route I was working on?

It's done

http://files.filefront.com/MM100pRouteCompletertf/;13513038;/fileinfo.html

So, what do you think?  Pointing out errors would be helpful.
PMIT
2009-03-22 09:19:50 pm
It leaves out the Great Fairy Sword after STT, and I'm assuming you meant to put the All Night Mask at the end of cycle 3 instead of during cycle 4, but there weren't any other problems that I noticed.
MrGrunz
2009-03-23 06:50:01 am
Merry Chrismas =)
most discussion about MM took place in the topic of the TAS forum, so Petrie and I didn't post all the tricks recently discovered.

I feel like posting them all here:

Ultimate Snowhead Temple Boss Key Skip:


Ultimate Great Bay Temple Boss Key Skip:


Mega Hover:


Some uses for Mega Hover:


Stone Tower Boss Key Skip with 11 explosives:


Endless Superslide from Mega Flip in MM:



Mega Flip in MM is pretty much a TAS only, so the only useful thing for a non-TAS is the "Ultimate Great Bay Temple Boss Key Skip".
It let's us skip nearly everything of Great Bay Temple with only 10 explosives or something and it's really easy as well Wink
ZFG
ZFG
Edit history:
ZFG: 2009-03-29 05:46:37 pm
2009-03-29 05:39:02 pm
MrGrunz is a guay
I took Petries 100% route for a testrun and it mostly worked out well exept for a few places.  Heres the edited route.

Areas in red text are edited.

Main Changes

*Honey and Darling 3 had to be moved up because they're not at the shop after 6 PM on the final day which also means graveyard bottle had to be postponed until after sakons hideout
*Secret Shrine had to be postponed due to lack of hearts

and a few other minor changes.
petrie911
petrie911
Edit history:
petrie911: 2009-03-29 11:40:07 pm
2009-03-29 11:27:23 pm
Everybody loves Hypnotoad!
My comments on your changes

-it would be better to just postpone honey and darling until the last cycle.  They can be replaced by the shooting gallery and treasure box games.
-Goron mask before talking to the baby goron I understand, but why not have hovering to the HP before Goron Mask?
-Play ISoT?  Hmm...I'd prefer not to.  I'll see what I can do about that part.  Rosa Sisters is easily moved.
-Secret shrine has to be delayed?  Really?  We should have exactly 16 HCs by that point.
-I figured the Bio Baba HP could just go in the last cycle.  It's not that out of our way when Light Arrowing bubbles, and it saves us a SoS, not to mention the long trek back to Termina Field.
-Good catch on the GB cliffs HP.
-You can catch fish in the Bay itself, but good to know you only need 3 of them.  We can get the fish pretty much any time after the beavers' bottle, then.

I think that covers all of them.

Attached is my edited version...I'm not highlighting what's changed, but it's basically the same as my old one.  Bio Baba is moved to cycle 4 and Honey and Darling 1+2 are replaced by the Shooting Gallery and Treasure box game, respectively.  I count exactly 16 missing HPs when we do the secret shrine, so unless I'm missing something, we should definitely have the 16 needed HCs.  Fish, cliffs, and Goron shrine are fixed, as are the two errors PMIT mentioned.
Attachment:
MM100pRouteComplete.rtf
ZFG
2009-03-30 12:01:41 am
MrGrunz is a guay
You forgot to factor in Gyorg's heart container for the 16 hearts.  By the time you enter the secret shrine you need to have collected 38 HP's if no Gyorg HC.  Your route collects 15 HP's after the secret shrine, a few too much.  It either has to be postponed or move other HP's up.

I still think I should stay away from MM routes though >_>.
petrie911
2009-03-30 12:25:26 am
Everybody loves Hypnotoad!
damn, you're right.  I could have sworn I counted that.  Oh, well, it would take too much time to move up Heart Pieces, so we have 2 options...

1) move the Great Bay area up ahead of Stone Tower area
2) move Secret Shrine to later

the latter costs us a SoS, while the former means we don't have the GFS for GBT.  This will slightly lengthen the Gekko Battle, but the real question is how this affects Wart.  To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if my Wart quick kill strat works with the Gilded Sword.
ZFG
2009-03-30 12:28:43 am
MrGrunz is a guay
I tried doing wart with gilded and it doesn't reach high enough to hit his eye.  Also remember putting GBT ahead of STT means later light arrows.
petrie911
2009-04-02 11:29:46 pm
Everybody loves Hypnotoad!
OK, here's a list of the item values for MM.  They're like the RBA item values in OoT, but in MM they're not really useful except for making cheat codes.

00-Ocarina
01-Bow
02-Fire Arrow
03-Ice Arrow
04-Light Arrow
05-Fairy Ocarina (unused) [from OoT] {acts like Pictobox}
06-Bomb
07-Bombchu
08-Deku Stick
09-Deku Nut
0A-Magic Beans
0B-Fairy Slingshot (unused) [from OoT] {acts like Pictobox}
0C-Powder Keg
0D-Pictobox
0E-Lens of Truth
0F-Hookshot
10-Great Fairy's Sword
11-Hookshot (unused) [from OoT] {acts like Pictobox}
12-Empty Bottle
13-Red Potion
14-Green Potion
15-Blue Potion
16-Fairy
17-Deku Princess
18-Milk
19-Milk (1/2)
1A-Fish
1B-Bug
1C-Blue Fire (unused) {acts like Bugs}
1D-Poe
1E-Big Poe
1F-Spring Water
20-Hot Spring Water
21-Zora Egg
22-Gold Dust
23-Magical Mushroom
24-Sea Horse
25-Chateau Romani
26-Strange Fish (unused) {acts like (?)}
27-Empty Bottle (unused) {acts like Poe (?)}
28-Moon's Tear
29-Land Title Deed
2A-Swamp Title Deed
2B-Mountain Title Deed
2C-Ocean Title Deed
2D-Room Key
2E-Special Delivery to Mama
2F-Letter to Kafei
30-Pendant of Memories
31-Chart (unused)
32-Deku Mask
33-Goron Mask
34-Zora Mask
35-Fierce Deity's Mask
36-Mask of Truth
37-Kafei's Mask
38-All-Night Mask
39-Bunny Hood
3A-Keaton Mask
3B-Garo's Mask
3C-Romani's Mask
3D-Circus Leader's Mask
3E-Postman's Hat
3F-Couple's Mask
40-Great Fairy's Mask
41-Gibdo Mask
42-Don Gero's Mask
43-Kamaro's Mask
44-Captain's Hat
45-Stone Mask
46-Bremen Mask
47-Blast Mask
48-Mask of Scents
49-Giant's Mask
4A-Bow+Fire Arrows
4B-Bow+Ice Arrows
4C-Bow+Light Arrows
4D-Kokiri Sword
4E-Razor Sword
4F-Gilded Sword
50-Fierce Deity's Sword
51-Hero's Shield
52-Mirror Shield
53-Quiver (30)
54-Quiver (40)
55-Quiver (50)
56-Bomb Bag (20)
57-Bomb Bag (30)
58-Bomb Bag (40)
59-Wallet (unused)
5A-Adult's Wallet
5B-Giant's Wallet
5C-Fishing Rod (unused) [from OoT]
5D-Odolwa's Remains
5E-Goht's Remains
5F-Gyorg's Remains
60-Twinmold's Remains
61-Sonata of Awakening
62-Goron Lullaby
63-New Wave Bossa Nova
64-Elegy of Emptiness
65-Oath to Order
66-??? (unused)
67-Song of Time
68-Song of Healing
69-Epona's Song
6A-Song of Soaring
6B-Song of Storms
6C-??? (unused) {possibly Saria's Song}
6D-Bomber's Notebook
6E-??? (unused)
6F-Piece of Heart
70-??? (unused)
71-??? (unused)
72-??? (unused)
73-Lullaby Intro
74-Big Key
75-Compass
76-Dungeon Map
77-Stray Fairies
FF-Empty Slot

78 crashes the game, and 79-FE seem to be nothing at all.


Spoilered 'cause the list is really long (~120 entries)
UchihaSasuke
2009-04-02 11:45:43 pm
Stand: Devil's Call in your Heart
hm i didn't realize there wasn't blue fire in MM.
also, do the OoT items show up in the menu? would be neat to mess around and see them there.
petrie911
2009-04-03 02:11:40 am
Everybody loves Hypnotoad!
If you hack them into the menu, they will appear there.  However, if you use them, they'll just be a Pictograph box.  Also, their description will be in Japanese.
ZeroGX
ZeroGX
Edit history:
ZeroGX: 2009-04-06 11:53:51 am
2009-04-06 11:43:34 am
Some Zelda Chaos Glitches
Picking up Mikau(My personal favorite):

Floating Stalchild

Ocarina on B

Ladder Glitch


Yes these tricks are VERY old. I just starting with basics.
Juice
Juice
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Juice: 2009-04-06 03:59:35 pm
2009-04-06 03:16:26 pm
does anyone know what the estimated time is for an any% of MM, TAS or non-TAS? Theres alot of new tricks that i haven't seen before that look like they could save alot of time.

maybe even an updated route while your at it Tongue
ZeroGX
2009-04-06 08:58:24 pm
Quote from Juice:
does anyone know what the estimated time is for an any% of MM, TAS or non-TAS? Theres alot of new tricks that i haven't seen before that look like they could save alot of time.

maybe even an updated route while your at it Tongue

I'd say for TAS, less than 2 hours since MrGrunz has been finding SB's and Boss key skips.
MrGrunz
2009-04-07 03:32:09 am
Merry Chrismas =)
darklink!

why did you close your account on youtube? Cry
ZeroGX
2009-04-07 10:58:33 pm
Quote from MrGrunz:
darklink!

why did you close your account on youtube? Cry

I almost got it hacked by being dumb. I accidentally sent my username password to the wrong email because I forgot my own. Then I thought that I would sooner or later get hacked so I just closed it before it caused any problems. So here's a new start.

woo off topic.

And have you been finding tricks lately?
MrGrunz
2009-04-08 10:29:36 am
Merry Chrismas =)
hmm, not really

just an improved fairy fountain wrong warp and snowhead without lullaby with just one bomb. Hyper Endless Superslide made the snowhead trick possible

and I and slowking finally finished the TAS route yesterday. we'll sub 1:50 for sure Smiley

does anybody knows, how the infinite deku stick trick works and if it's possible to use it against wizrobe, majora or garo's master?
Juice
2009-04-08 01:30:30 pm
i remember there being an unbreakable deku stick trick in OoT that i used to do for fun but i'm not sure if thats what your talking about. In that one i would just jump off a fence and swing my stick with a jumpslash at a wall, and if the deku stick breaks while in mid-air it becomes shorter and never breaks again until you put it away.

You should post the TAS route here, I want to see it lol