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tjp7154

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tjp7154: 2009-09-25 06:43:53 pm

2009-09-25 06:36:44 pm

#Casual

My Donkey Kong Country run will take at most 50 minutes (45 minutes of gameplay) if I do poorly :(, but 39 minutes (34 minutes of gameplay) if I do well :).

Molotov

2009-09-25 07:49:33 pm

So I'm expected to run SOS at part of the marathon now? News to me, because I thought it was deemed too obscure (and therefore not cool enough). My plan was just to bring the thing and get somebody to watch (Twin Galaxies style, hyuck hyuck). This just kills two birds with one stone though, so that's cool.

In case anybody cares, I'll probably use Luke instead of Jeffrey. The main reason is that Luke isn't some ugly fat guy, but Luke's intro is just long enough to avoid major downtime before the wave hits. More entertaining to watch that way.

~~I just hope a nasty boat turn doesn't result in death. That would be embarrassing for a game so short.~~

[Edit]: Also, on a somewhat similar note, snake Jafar can go slither off a cliff. >:|

Enhasa

2009-09-26 12:28:42 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Breakdown: Amazingly good post, some things I hadn't thought about like how the runners themselves need to help out if they can with the excitement. And who we could get to donate swag.

Molotov: I dunno, don't ask me, SOS just appeared in the 2nd post. Tongue

It's up to you if you want to do it of course.

tjp7154

2009-09-26 09:32:18 am

#Casual

While I was practicing yesterday for my charity speedrun, I got to thinking: "Duh, it takes a LOT of concentration not to royally mess up a run -- and I'm just playing it by myself and not in front of loads of people."

I'm wondering if our time estimates are too low :P.

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I've been practicing how to gracefully recover from silly errors, saving strategically when I'm not doing so well, and NOT get a game-ending game-over.
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Everyone else should, too.

Emptyeye

2009-09-26 10:33:18 am

Talk to the Hand

Speaking only for myself, Battletoads is at a point where I wouldn't mind talking during it at all, except that it would upstage Kareshi's piano virtuosity.

For talking-while-playing besides that, Rygar and TMNT will likely be a no-go...Marble Madness would be manageable though.

By the way, will we know what games we'll be commentating for ahead of time/given a chance to swap out if we don't know the game at all?

mikwuyma

2009-09-26 01:00:49 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Secret of Mana: You guys are acting like I'm shitting on the game. I even said it was a good idea in my last post. I just didn't think it was as popular as some of the other SNES Square games like FF3, yeesh. The only problem is finding 3 people who can practice the game multiplayer. Is 3-player online even possible with ZSNES?

Like I said, I'm down for playing it, but I don't know if I'll have enough time to practice. The cartridge won't be an issue because I have the game.

Enhasa: I always thought FF3 was really popular too, but whatever. Super Tennis is cool. Also, Pilotwings doesn't suck. Angry

Breakdown: You are spot-on about the donations. Conversely, donations practically froze when TSG guys were stuck dying on certain games, and/or seemed tired.

Those swag ideas are great. The kind of swag you mentioned I didn't even think about, but it's perfect for our marathon. We should start contacting around mid-October, IMO. While this idea isn't swag-related, I was considering having AVGN commentate while we're playing some of the games he reviewed (like TMNT), if nothing else it would be good promotion.

On the topic of promotion, that's the one thing we haven't discussed, and it's just as important (if not more so) than having a good marathon. It doesn't matterWe shouldn't start promoting now because we don't have the games finalized and it's too early (everyone would be sick of us by the time the marathon actually arrived), but it's definitely something we need to consider. Hopefully, I can get TSG to help us with promotion. If nothing else, they can give us a mention in their next two marathons.

It would also be awesome if you're willing to run LoZ, because I don't think anyone is willing to run that game (Feasel did mention he would be willing to practice the game if no one else would).

Molotov: I thought you were willing to run the game, but you don't have to. It's a short game anyway.

Romscout: Great, I'm putting you on the list.

tjp7154: That's great that you're coming. I would stick with 50 minutes for DKC ATM, because you might not play perfectly during the marathon.

Emptyeye: You aren't going to like my answer, but you will probably have to commentate during some games you don't know. I will try to schedule you into a NES-exclusive time slot, when we get around to the scheduling stage (should start early-mid October), but you will have to rely on your wits and charisma, and like Breakdown said, play up the crowd a bit. Everyone needs to help out.

Secret of Mana: You guys are acting like I'm shitting on the game. I even said it was a good idea in my last post. I just didn't think it was as popular as some of the other SNES Square games like FF3, yeesh. The only problem is finding 3 people who can practice the game multiplayer. Is 3-player online even possible with ZSNES?

Like I said, I'm down for playing it, but I don't know if I'll have enough time to practice. The cartridge won't be an issue because I have the game.

Enhasa: I always thought FF3 was really popular too, but whatever. Super Tennis is cool. Also, Pilotwings doesn't suck. >:(

Breakdown: You are spot-on about the donations. Conversely, donations practically froze when TSG guys were stuck dying on certain games, and/or seemed tired.

Those swag ideas are great. The kind of swag you mentioned I didn't even think about, but it's perfect for our marathon. We should start contacting around mid-October, IMO. While this idea isn't swag-related, I was considering having AVGN commentate while we're playing some of the games he reviewed (like TMNT), if nothing else it would be good promotion.

On the topic of promotion, that's the one thing we haven't discussed, and it's just as important (if not more so) than having a good marathon. It doesn't matterWe shouldn't start promoting now because we don't have the games finalized and it's too early (everyone would be sick of us by the time the marathon actually arrived), but it's definitely something we need to consider. Hopefully, I can get TSG to help us with promotion. If nothing else, they can give us a mention in their next two marathons.

It would also be awesome if you're willing to run LoZ, because I don't think anyone is willing to run that game (Feasel did mention he would be willing to practice the game if no one else would).

Molotov: I thought you were willing to run the game, but you don't have to. It's a short game anyway.

Romscout: Great, I'm putting you on the list.

tjp7154: That's great that you're coming. I would stick with 50 minutes for DKC ATM, because you might not play perfectly during the marathon.

Emptyeye: You aren't going to like my answer, but you will probably have to commentate during some games you don't know. I will try to schedule you into a NES-exclusive time slot, when we get around to the scheduling stage (should start early-mid October), but you will have to rely on your wits and charisma, and like Breakdown said, play up the crowd a bit. Everyone needs to help out.

Breakdown

2009-09-26 04:10:37 pm

Haters gonna hate

Guest commentators is an awesome idea, something I hadn't thought of at all. If we can get a little star power behind this thing it could help out a ton, plus it would likely mean some built in promotion for us as odds are the guests would advertise their participation on their own sites. AVGN is obviously a great candidate if he's willing to do it, and off the top of my head the PBC and ScrewAttack people will also likely be in attendance and could possibly be willing. Haven't looked over the guest list recently, but there's bound to be some other internet personalities we could ask, plus their might be some potential in some of the bands in attendance. Not saying we should give away close to the majority of our airtime, but getting some names on for a game here and a game there could be a huge boost for us.

One thing we do need to consider on our end that hasn't been mentioned yet is how family friendly we want this marathon to be. It would obviously be poor policy for everybody to curse like sailors the whole time, but we should decide soon (read: before we try to contact any potential guests) if the occasional use of fuck and shit will be alright or if we intend to keep things on the PG-13 side.

For people concerned about talking while running, don't think you have to prattle on the whole time like a LPer who just drank a six pack of red bull. If you're at a part where you need to concentrate, then concentrate, but most games have sections of downtime where you can interact with the crowd a bit (level transitions or parts where you have to do nothing other than hold right for example). Basically just anything you can do to make the crowd feel more like a part of what's going on than simply spectators without sacrificing much or anything in the way of play quality you should try to do.

And while I know Mike is likely painfully aware of this, I think it should be said that as of now we have 3 months to get everything together at this point, and that's really not at all as long as it sounds like. If anybody (whether you're coming or not) has ideas for things we can do or people we can contact, speak up. And it's never too early to start practicing your games.

Also. . .

Quote from Breakdown:

I also wouldn't mind taking a turn in the commentator's chair.

Quote from Breakdown:

Pretty sure I said this already, but I'm definitely willing to do some commentating.

Still not on the list.

Guest commentators is an awesome idea, something I hadn't thought of at all.  If we can get a little star power behind this thing it could help out a ton, plus it would likely mean some built in promotion for us as odds are the guests would advertise their participation on their own sites.  AVGN is obviously a great candidate if he's willing to do it, and off the top of my head the PBC and ScrewAttack people will also likely be in attendance and could possibly be willing.  Haven't looked over the guest list recently, but there's bound to be some other internet personalities we could ask, plus their might be some potential in some of the bands in attendance.  Not saying we should give away close to the majority of our airtime, but getting some names on for a game here and a game there could be a huge boost for us.

One thing we do need to consider on our end that hasn't been mentioned yet is how family friendly we want this marathon to be.  It would obviously be poor policy for everybody to curse like sailors the whole time, but we should decide soon (read: before we try to contact any potential guests) if the occasional use of fuck and shit will be alright or if we intend to keep things on the PG-13 side.

For people concerned about talking while running, don't think you have to prattle on the whole time like a LPer who just drank a six pack of red bull.  If you're at a part where you need to concentrate, then concentrate, but most games have sections of downtime where you can interact with the crowd a bit (level transitions or parts where you have to do nothing other than hold right for example).  Basically just anything you can do to make the crowd feel more like a part of what's going on than simply spectators without sacrificing much or anything in the way of play quality you should try to do.

And while I know Mike is likely painfully aware of this, I think it should be said that as of now we have 3 months to get everything together at this point, and that's really not at all as long as it sounds like.  If anybody (whether you're coming or not) has ideas for things we can do or people we can contact, speak up.  And it's never too early to start practicing your games.

Also. . .

[quote="Breakdown"]
I also wouldn't mind taking a turn in the commentator's chair.
[/quote]

[quote="Breakdown"]
Pretty sure I said this already, but I'm definitely willing to do some commentating.
[/quote]

Still not on the list.

MatrixTN

2009-09-26 06:15:42 pm

You got a deletion wish?

I can comment on Mega Man 3, Rygar (possibly), all three Sonics, and Toy Story.

kareshi

2009-09-26 07:24:33 pm

I request a big easy chair in which to recline with a leg up while destroying Ghosts 'N Goblins.

Emptyeye

2009-09-26 08:47:10 pm

Talk to the Hand

Quote from kareshi:

I request a big easy chair in which to recline with a leg up while destroying Ghosts 'N Goblins.

Geez. Would you like some peppermint tea while you do this too? Maybe a bathrobe? Should I have a pizza delivered to the room we'll be doing this in on your behalf as you're doing this?

Breakdown: Would it be too much to ask to nudge my Rygar estimate up to the 32-33 minute range? Let's call it 32M30S for now. I've been pulling 29:XXs in practice...while these aren't particularly good runs (Hey, let's get knocked into a pit near the end of Sagila's Cave and have to do that entire section over!), a 29:XX for just the run, plus setup and ending, etc. would push the game as a whole over the 30M mark.

Liking the guest commentator idea too.

Enhasa

2009-09-26 10:50:59 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Quote from mikwuyma:

Is 3-player online even possible with ZSNES?

No, and not with snes9x or anything else either. I don't think it matters that much though, because the execution is pretty easy once you get magic, and IIRC there should be almost no chance of actually wiping later on. It'll mostly be an issue of knowing what to do for such a long time, so everyone would need to learn the route pretty well, although having more than one person helps incredibly with stuff like that. zsnes can be used for 2p practice, and the tougher parts of the game (other than spiky tiger, the toughest) are 1 or 2p. Rescuing the girl (my memory is really off but I think this is the fastest route) is something in particular that would benefit from practice. Anyway, even for the 3p sections, they can still be practiced by 2 people and 1 AI.

Man, I thought an SNES Sim City fan would call me out first. Tongue

Won't we be able to have at least one person who knows the game, for every single game we're running? I figured commentating could be more informal and we could hotswap guys for each game. That said, I know a lot of games, and currently I'm not signed up to run that much, so I could fill in when needed. But anyway, like that one EVO guy only really knows Marvel and he seems to do ok. It's mostly about getting hype and being able to communicate than knowing a game inside and out but not being able to communicate it. Plus, runners can tell commentators ahead of time, what to watch out for.

Quote from XFUBX:

I love the idea on guest commenters. I mean if you really wanted to streach the boat you could get some TG people to help, but that would be, like, LAST resort... ;D.

Please, no comments like this. It makes even less sense in light of charity.

[quote="mikwuyma"]
Is 3-player online even possible with ZSNES?[/quote]
No, and not with snes9x or anything else either. I don't think it matters that much though, because the execution is pretty easy once you get magic, and IIRC there should be almost no chance of actually wiping later on. It'll mostly be an issue of knowing what to do for such a long time, so everyone would need to learn the route pretty well, although having more than one person helps incredibly with stuff like that. zsnes can be used for 2p practice, and the tougher parts of the game (other than spiky tiger, the toughest) are 1 or 2p. Rescuing the girl (my memory is really off but I think this is the fastest route) is something in particular that would benefit from practice. Anyway, even for the 3p sections, they can still be practiced by 2 people and 1 AI.

Man, I thought an SNES Sim City fan would call me out first. :P

Won't we be able to have at least one person who knows the game, for every single game we're running? I figured commentating could be more informal and we could hotswap guys for each game. That said, I know a lot of games, and currently I'm not signed up to run that much, so I could fill in when needed. But anyway, like that one EVO guy only really knows Marvel and he seems to do ok. It's mostly about getting hype and being able to communicate than knowing a game inside and out but not being able to communicate it. Plus, runners can tell commentators ahead of time, what to watch out for.

[quote="XFUBX"]
I love the idea on guest commenters. I mean if you really wanted to streach the boat you could get some TG people to help, but that would be, like, LAST resort... ;D.
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Please, no comments like this. It makes even less sense in light of charity.

stanski

2009-09-27 03:42:31 am

wise fwom yo gwave

Test running some shit and there are some parts that I really hope i don't fuck up because if i do i literally cannot complete the game. In the event that this does happen, what can we do? I mean like theoretically getting to a part of the game and literally not being able to beat it seems really bad (or it taking so long to beat it that its not worth it).

Lag.Com

2009-09-27 05:29:20 am

sda loyalist

Quote from Enhasa:

It's mostly about getting hype and being able to communicate

Argh! I have the complete opposite view, though I can understand being frustrated at listening to some guy who is a complete zelda nerd but only able to say the word 'um'. Maybe it's because I'm not American so I don't understand hype </racism>

I'd much rather guest commentators were involved. Keeps the voice fresh for one, so if I take offense to someone's impermeable accent at least I could wait for the next game Tongue

JaggerG

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JaggerG: 2009-09-27 05:58:22 am

2009-09-27 05:51:58 am

Jumping Turtle

Quote from Breakdown:

One thing we do need to consider on our end that hasn't been mentioned yet is how family friendly we want this marathon to be. It would obviously be poor policy for everybody to curse like sailors the whole time, but we should decide soon (read: before we try to contact any potential guests) if the occasional use of fuck and shit will be alright or if we intend to keep things on the PG-13 side.

I've been curious about this since the beginning. I honestly have no idea the impact language actually has on this kind of event. Like you said, it's obviously not good to curse up a storm, but I guess it's mostly up to the commentators. Having so many participants there, I imagine it's likely a curse might slip through several times, but perhaps at least try to be clean, and if they slip up, continue like it's no big deal? This is gonna be especially confusing for chat ops during the marathon, though. Are they going to have to enforce language rules? Compared to normal #sda, that's gonna be a drastic change.

Do commentators need video for this event? It's possible to join a stream as audio only, but I'm not sure if it's more proper for a marathon for the commentator to be visible. If not, I could volunteer as a back-up commentator if needed. I'm kind of hoping to be able to afford capturing devices before the marathon, but it's getting so close and I still can't make any promises. I really hoped to be able to offer Bomberman 64, too. :^/

EDIT: Oops, forgot to mention, can you guys (ie nate :^P) make speedrun compilations on DVD as prizes? Does nate still have those M2k2 DVDs?

[quote="Breakdown"]
One thing we do need to consider on our end that hasn't been mentioned yet is how family friendly we want this marathon to be.  It would obviously be poor policy for everybody to curse like sailors the whole time, but we should decide soon (read: before we try to contact any potential guests) if the occasional use of fuck and shit will be alright or if we intend to keep things on the PG-13 side.[/quote]
I've been curious about this since the beginning. I honestly have no idea the impact language actually has on this kind of event. Like you said, it's obviously not good to curse up a storm, but I guess it's mostly up to the commentators. Having so many participants there, I imagine it's likely a curse might slip through several times, but perhaps at least try to be clean, and if they slip up, continue like it's no big deal? This is gonna be especially confusing for chat ops during the marathon, though. Are they going to have to enforce language rules? Compared to normal #sda, that's gonna be a drastic change.

Do commentators need video for this event? It's possible to join a stream as audio only, but I'm not sure if it's more proper for a marathon for the commentator to be visible. If not, I could volunteer as a back-up commentator if needed. I'm kind of hoping to be able to afford capturing devices before the marathon, but it's getting so close and I still can't make any promises. I really hoped to be able to offer Bomberman 64, too. :^/

EDIT: Oops, forgot to mention, can you guys (ie nate :^P) make speedrun compilations on DVD as prizes? Does nate still have those M2k2 DVDs?

mikwuyma

2009-09-27 10:16:23 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Enhasa: I just played some Secret of Mana yesterday, and like you said, by far the hardest part is the pre-magic part. Especially the werewolves and Spiky Tiger. We might want to take the slightly longer route (go to forest with girl, then go back to the cave), so we can level all 3 characters and give them a bit of armor before taking on the forest and Spiky Tiger. Taking this route also skips fighting the werewolves to save the girl. I know that route isn't fast, but I think it's the most reliable method I can think of for taking on Spiky Tiger. I think after that part we won't need much leveling or armor (except maybe for pure land, which can rape you hard without good armor), but I don't really know a lot about speedrunning SoM.

Also, we should definitely play 2-player online for practice.

And yeah, we can definitely hotswap commentators, but I also think that during late hours, we might just have 2-4 people doing the commentary and running so others can get some sleep (we have to take this into consideration!)

XFUBX: Actually having a ref from TG come in for a section of the marathon would be a great idea. It would make the marathon seem more official, and we would get some viewers from TG. Not to mention it might bridge the gap between TG and SDA. :-/

Stanski: We're definitely going to have a mercy rule if someone can't complete a game. The rule won't be specific because applying it really varies from game to game, but as a general rule of thumb, if the runner is stuck on one area for 10+ minutes, then it's a good idea to just nuke the run and move on (maybe try later).

Breakdown: Sorry, I've been bad about updating the commentators list. You should be on it now.

I was thinking try not to curse, but if something slips by, then it's not like you should get a slap on the wrist. Then again, if we let AVGN guest commentate, that would completely shatter the rule. I guess we would want to include a language warning if we let him commentate, hehe.

JaggerG: I would say yes, commentators need video because like you said, it's more proper for a marathon if you can see a commentator. Especially since the commentator needs to interact with the crowd.

Enhasa: I just played some Secret of Mana yesterday, and like you said, by far the hardest part is the pre-magic part. Especially the werewolves and Spiky Tiger. We might want to take the slightly longer route (go to forest with girl, then go back to the cave), so we can level all 3 characters and give them a bit of armor before taking on the forest and Spiky Tiger. Taking this route also skips fighting the werewolves to save the girl. I know that route isn't fast, but I think it's the most reliable method I can think of for taking on Spiky Tiger. I think after that part we won't need much leveling or armor (except maybe for pure land, which can rape you hard without good armor), but I don't really know a lot about speedrunning SoM.

Also, we should definitely play 2-player online for practice.

And yeah, we can definitely hotswap commentators, but I also think that during late hours, we might just have 2-4 people doing the commentary and running so others can get some sleep (we have to take this into consideration!)

XFUBX: Actually having a ref from TG come in for a section of the marathon would be a great idea. It would make the marathon seem more official, and we would get some viewers from TG. Not to mention it might bridge the gap between TG and SDA. :-/

Stanski: We're definitely going to have a mercy rule if someone can't complete a game. The rule won't be specific because applying it really varies from game to game, but as a general rule of thumb, if the runner is stuck on one area for 10+ minutes, then it's a good idea to just nuke the run and move on (maybe try later).

Breakdown: Sorry, I've been bad about updating the commentators list. You should be on it now.

I was thinking try not to curse, but if something slips by, then it's not like you should get a slap on the wrist. Then again, if we let AVGN guest commentate, that would completely shatter the rule. I guess we would want to include a language warning if we let him commentate, hehe.

JaggerG: I would say yes, commentators need video because like you said, it's more proper for a marathon if you can see a commentator. Especially since the commentator needs to interact with the crowd.

Frezy_man

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Frezy_man: 2009-10-04 06:19:59 am

2009-09-27 01:45:16 pm

bläää

And about Super Mario kart Enhasa. For 150cc I would love to do a 2p run with you. We are in about the same level. But if we decide to race special cup and eventually star cup then I have to practice some extra. I do not always finnish in top in the races in those cups. but otherwise I always beat the computer by far in the easier levels. I think it could be a good show and a lot fun.

Here is my new list about runs that I would love to do at MAGfest with new timing info. Counting game-time and credits. I am willing to race anyone in those categories too. Yep, I am not kidding with the amount of games. I would beat them all if you like to see it. I guess I am not first priority player for all these games and I guess a few games might be skipped at the show too. Eventually I have some more games I can run but I will add them later if it is space for them. The problem is that I dont want to promise to practice for too many games. I have to practice a few of this games in this list before MAGFest already.

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Contra Any% - 15:00

GAME TIME: 11:25-13:00
CREDITS: 2:00
TOTAL: 13:25-15:00

I am always in shape for this run and its low chance for big screw ups. I know very well how to play with the pee shooter if I should die
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SuperC Any% - 20:00

GAME TIME: 13:40-18:20
CREDITS: 1:20
TOTAL: 15:00-20:00

This run is a bit risky but I am pretty sure that I will make it without using a credit
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SMB 3 Any% - 11:00-13:00

GAME TIME: 11:00-13:25
CREDITS: 1:45
TOTAL: 12:45-15:00

Always in good shape for this one and the chance for dying is low and eventually without getting hit.
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Mega man 3 - 45:00

GAME TIME: 37:00-41:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 41:00-45:00

Tikis form is probably better then mine but I have pulled off a few 37:XX runs earlier this year
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Kung fu - 04:00-05:00

GAME TIME: 04:00-05:20
CREDITS: 00:40
TOTAL: 04:40-6:00

The chance is most likely a no death run
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Teenage mutant Ninja heroes 2 - 48:00-55:00 (With MatrixTN)

GAME TIME: 45:00-52:00
CREDITS: 3:00
TOTAL: 48:00-55:00

I am always in good shape for this game. I will play togheter with MatrixTN and a 2p. run means that there is at least 50 % more footsoldiers and the bosses health bar is longer. So this will take some time and Its hard to tell how long time it will take. We will not practice online before this.
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Duck tales - 13:00

GAME TIME: 09:00-11:00
CREDITS: 2:00
TOTAL: 11:00-13:00

a no death easy mode run is no problem sub 10. but I cant play at the level of the current run and can not handle the glitches. and If I play on normal or difficult mode (basically the same difficulty for a speedrun). Then I have to do some boss fights really carefully. If someone else will run this game instead that would be cool. Then I can be the reserve or challenge that player on another screen
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Duck tales 2 - 20:00

GAME TIME: 12:00-17:00
CREDITS: 3:00
TOTAL: 15:00-20:00

I am a bit rusty on this one so I would like to play on easy difficulty because otherwise I do not feel safe" hard more is riskier and I might die on a couple of bosses. The Stone Golem boss is so random so with some bad luck the fight takes 3 more minutes then in my run ( I am not kidding )
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Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers 15:00

GAME TIME: 11:30-13:45
CREDITS: 1:15
TOTAL: 15:00-20:00

I am rusty here and I might die on the final boss if no one knows a safe strategy. I will have to practice this game again. Anyways I will recomend single player on this game because its so easy to kill eachother in a 2 player run. Its a lot harder to run this game in 2-player mode.
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Mega Man X Any% - 45:00

GAME TIME: 35:00-38:00
CREDITS: 7:00
TOTAL: 42:00-45:00

I know this game very well. To be sure that I will not die I will have to take a few heart tanks but it costs less then 20 seconds. I think that would be the best idea so I not screw up on the few hard bosses in the game. Specially thinking about Sigma.
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Mega Man X2 Any% - 50:00

GAME TIME: 38:00-44:30
CREDITS: 5:30
TOTAL: 43:30-50:00

I am rusty here and havent played it since I pulled of my run but with a lots of warm ups I will beat it around 40. I will have to skip trying some tricks and I will do a lots of safety moves.
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Lion king 16:00-21:00

GAME TIME: 16:00-21:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 21:00-25:00

I might die on stage 3 on hardest difficulty so I recommend playing on normal mode. I will most likely beat it without deaths including take the life barometer-expander at the first stage. but I would not be surprised if I die once or twice. And I will skip doing the rafiki glitches in the first stage as the older version of Simba.
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Contra Low% - 15:40

GAME TIME: 11:40-13:00
CREDITS: 2:00
TOTAL: 13:40-15:40

I might die a couple of times but it would be a good show if you will like watching the run in 11:33 that will be posted at sda anytime this Autumn.
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Mega Man 2 - 31:00-40:00

GAME TIME: 31:00-40:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 31:00-44:00

I can always beat this one on Uretas old route most likely under 35 so if you guys dont have a better option Tongue I might try to run it and practice some more before MAGfest but I cant guarantee that. I know there is a bunch of better players for this game so if someone else can make it faster then go ahead.
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Mega Man 4 - 41:00-50:00

GAME TIME: 41:00-50:00
CREDITS: 3:00
TOTAL: 44:00-53:00

I have not played it a lot lately but sub 50 is no problems
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Mega Man 5 - 1:00:00

GAME TIME: 48:00-56:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 0:51:00-1:00:00

I have to do some warm ups and I am not that great on this game.
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Mega man X 100% 40:00-45:00

GAME TIME: 40:00-45:00
CREDITS: 7:00
TOTAL: 47:00-52:00

I havent done this in a while and I will most likely screw up on a lots of hadokens =)
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Super mario bros 3 No flute - 55:00-1:10

GAME TIME: 0:55:00-1:08:25
CREDITS: 1:45
TOTAL: 0:56:45-1:10:00

This would probably be a good show even if I am a bit rusty on some levels and a few strategies is probably outdated. There is not even run in this cathegory on SDA.
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Metroid NES both bosses - 45:00

GAME TIME: 30:00-42:30
CREDITS: 2:30
TOTAL: 32:30-45:00

The problem is that skip the ridley fight is a very risky run no matter how good you are. and 100% is to boring for me (and I would get lost). But I can do a both bosses run in sub 40 if you like to see it.
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Metroid: Zero Mission (Any%) -

GAME TIME: 33:00-40:00(in-game-timer)
CREDITS: 17:00(Includes game-time during the game that does not counts on the in-game-timer)
TOTAL: 50:00-57:00

I would have to fight the mini boss in Kraid's Lair because the skip is to risky. And pick up some more E-tanks and missile packages then the current run
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And about Super Mario kart Enhasa. For 150cc I would love to do a 2p run with you. We are in about the same level. But if we decide to race special cup and eventually star cup then I have to practice some extra. I do not always finnish in top in the races in those cups. but otherwise I always beat the computer by far in the easier levels. I think it could be a good show and a lot fun.

Here is my new list about runs that I would love to do at MAGfest with new timing info. Counting game-time and credits. I am willing to race anyone in those categories too. Yep, I am not kidding with the amount of games. I would beat them all if you like to see it. I guess I am not first priority player for all these games and I guess a few games might be skipped at the show too. Eventually I have some more games I can run but I will add them later if it is space for them. The problem is that I dont want to promise to practice for too many games. I have to practice a few of this games in this list before MAGFest already.

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[b]Contra[/b] Any% - 15:00

GAME TIME: 11:25-13:00
CREDITS: 2:00
TOTAL: 13:25-15:00

[i]I am always in shape for this run and its low chance for big screw ups. I know very well how to play with the pee shooter if I should die[/i]
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SuperC Any% - 20:00

GAME TIME: 13:40-18:20
CREDITS: 1:20
TOTAL: 15:00-20:00

[i]This run is a bit risky but I am pretty sure that I will make it without using a credit[/i]
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SMB 3 Any%  - 11:00-13:00

GAME TIME: 11:00-13:25
CREDITS: 1:45
TOTAL: 12:45-15:00

[i]Always in good shape for this one and the chance for dying is low and eventually without getting hit.[/i]
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Mega man 3  - 45:00

GAME TIME: 37:00-41:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 41:00-45:00

[i]Tikis form is probably better then mine but I have pulled off a few 37:XX runs earlier this year[/i]
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Kung fu     - 04:00-05:00

GAME TIME: 04:00-05:20
CREDITS: 00:40
TOTAL: 04:40-6:00

[i]The chance is most likely a no death run[/i]
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Teenage mutant Ninja heroes 2 - 48:00-55:00 (With MatrixTN)

GAME TIME: 45:00-52:00
CREDITS: 3:00
TOTAL: 48:00-55:00

[i]I am always in good shape for this game. I will play togheter with MatrixTN and a 2p. run means that there is at least 50 % more footsoldiers and the bosses health bar is longer. So this will take some time and Its hard to tell how long time it will take. We will not practice online before this.[/i]
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Duck tales - 13:00

GAME TIME: 09:00-11:00
CREDITS: 2:00
TOTAL: 11:00-13:00

[i]a no death easy mode run is no problem sub 10. but I cant play at the level of the current run and can not handle the glitches. and If I play on normal or difficult mode (basically the same difficulty for a speedrun). Then I have to do some boss fights really carefully. If someone else will run this game instead that would be cool. Then I can be the reserve or challenge that player on another screen[/i]
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Duck tales 2 - 20:00

GAME TIME: 12:00-17:00
CREDITS: 3:00
TOTAL: 15:00-20:00

I am a bit rusty on this one so I would like to play on easy difficulty because otherwise I do not feel safe" hard more is riskier and I might die on a couple of bosses. The Stone Golem boss is so random so with some bad luck the fight takes 3 more minutes then in my run ( I am not kidding )
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Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers 15:00

GAME TIME: 11:30-13:45
CREDITS: 1:15
TOTAL: 15:00-20:00

[i]I am rusty here and I might die on the final boss if no one knows a safe strategy. I will have to practice this game again. Anyways I will recomend single player on this game because its so easy to kill eachother in a 2 player run. Its a lot harder to run this game in 2-player mode.[/i]
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Mega Man X Any% - 45:00

GAME TIME: 35:00-38:00
CREDITS: 7:00
TOTAL: 42:00-45:00
[i]
I know this game very well. To be sure that I will not die I will have to take a few heart tanks but it costs less then 20 seconds. I think that would be the best idea so I not screw up on the few hard bosses in the game. Specially thinking about Sigma.[/i]
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Mega Man X2 Any% - 50:00

GAME TIME: 38:00-44:30
CREDITS: 5:30
TOTAL: 43:30-50:00

I am rusty here and havent played it since I pulled of my run but with a lots of warm ups I will beat it around 40. I will have to skip trying some tricks and I will do a lots of safety moves.
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Lion king 16:00-21:00

GAME TIME: 16:00-21:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 21:00-25:00

I might die on stage 3 on hardest difficulty so I recommend playing on normal mode. I will most likely beat it without deaths including take the life barometer-expander at the first stage. but I would not be surprised if I die once or twice. And I will skip doing the rafiki glitches in the first stage as the older version of Simba.
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Contra Low% - 15:40

GAME TIME: 11:40-13:00
CREDITS: 2:00
TOTAL: 13:40-15:40

[i]I might die a couple of times but it would be a good show if you will like watching the run in 11:33 that will be posted at sda anytime this Autumn[/i].
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Mega Man 2 - 31:00-40:00

GAME TIME: 31:00-40:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 31:00-44:00

[i]I can always beat this one on Uretas old route most likely under 35 so if you guys dont have a better option Tongue I might try to run it and practice some more before MAGfest but I cant guarantee that. I know there is a bunch of better players for this game so if someone else can make it faster then go ahead.[/i]
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Mega Man 4 - 41:00-50:00

GAME TIME: 41:00-50:00
CREDITS: 3:00
TOTAL: 44:00-53:00

[i]I have not played it a lot lately but sub 50 is no problems[/i]
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Mega Man 5 - 1:00:00

GAME TIME: 48:00-56:00
CREDITS: 4:00
TOTAL: 0:51:00-1:00:00

[i]I have to do some warm ups and I am not that great on this game.[/i]
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Mega man X 100% 40:00-45:00

GAME TIME: 40:00-45:00
CREDITS: 7:00
TOTAL: 47:00-52:00
[i]
I havent done this in a while and I will most likely screw up on a lots of hadokens =)[/i]
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Super mario bros 3 No flute - 55:00-1:10

GAME TIME: 0:55:00-1:08:25
CREDITS: 1:45
TOTAL: 0:56:45-1:10:00

This would probably be a good show even if I am a bit rusty on some levels and a few strategies is probably outdated. There is not even  run in this cathegory on SDA.
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Metroid NES both bosses - 45:00

GAME TIME: 30:00-42:30
CREDITS: 2:30
TOTAL: 32:30-45:00

[i]The problem is that skip the ridley fight is a very risky run no matter how good you are. and 100% is to boring for me (and I would get lost). But I can do a both bosses run in sub 40 if you like to see it.[/i]
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Metroid: Zero Mission (Any%) -

GAME TIME: 33:00-40:00(in-game-timer)
CREDITS: 17:00(Includes game-time during the game that does not counts on the in-game-timer)
TOTAL: 50:00-57:00

[i]I would have to fight the mini boss in Kraid's Lair because the skip is to risky. And pick up some more E-tanks and missile packages then the current run[/i]
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mikwuyma

2009-09-27 02:12:10 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Enhasa: Are you still up for running Kid Icarus? I think it would be a good game to run for the marathon.

Frezy_Man: That list looks mighty beefy. Glad you're willing to run so many games. My only issue is multiple runs of one game. I think it could work for Mario 3 because the flutes skip such a huge chunk of the game, but I would just go with one run per game otherwise.

The Charity: IMC still hasn't responded. I'm just going to change to St. Judes. I know it's less international, but I think they're still a great charity, and I can't imagine anyone having qualms against curing kid's cancer. The Speed Gamers have worked with them in the past, so they should be easy to contact.

MatrixTN

2009-09-27 09:34:16 pm

You got a deletion wish?

Quote from Frezy_man:

We will not practice online before this.

Unless we hook up together before then (the lock-in perhaps?). Wouldn't you know it, Tora still has my number (I keep messing up the timing, plus I've got a savestate set just before I get to him).

Enhasa

2009-09-28 01:41:32 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Quote from lag:

Quote from Enhasa:

It's mostly about getting hype and being able to communicate

Argh! I have the complete opposite view, though I can understand being frustrated at listening to some guy who is a complete zelda nerd but only able to say the word 'um'. Maybe it's because I'm not American so I don't understand hype </racism>

I'd much rather guest commentators were involved. Keeps the voice fresh for one, so if I take offense to someone's impermeable accent at least I could wait for the next game Tongue

Yeah, I don't think you got the intended meaning out of what I was saying there, heh. (Not your fault, but could you really imagine me saying GET HYPE seriously?) Whenever I've said the word hype anywhere, it has always been completely tongue in cheek. In this case I just mean: don't be boring. If you've listened to audio commentaries, I like stanski's the best, more than Mike (over-the-top style, still love you though man) and especially sternn (knowledgeable but bores me to sleep). I think Grenola's is really dry as well, don't remember.

I guess saying EVO threw you off, I forgot I said that because it wasn't in the quote. Anyone listening to EVO would get the idea that they prefer Seth Killian over the other guys, but he sounds very insincere and awkward when he tries to sound excited sometimes, so he shouldn't act that way and try to hype up anything. I don't disagree with this in the slightest.

Obviously, it would be best to be both knowledgeable and interesting, but the worst sin is being boring. Being annoying is also bad, but the definition of that differs from person to person. Ban on internet memes covers most of it for me though. The easiest way not to be boring long-term is to mix up commentators and have guest commentators. So I agree with you and apparently everyone else in this thread.

I can hardly stand any real-life sports commentators (they're almost all annoying dunces), but a decent one covering a sport he/she doesn't normally cover is always MUCH better than the normal ones covering that sport. I'll take substance over style every time, in any situation, but in terms of spectating, people tune out when it's boring. You gotta remember what your focus is. A top professor is allowed to be boring. A commentator raising money for charity shouldn't be. People will leave if they're bored.

BTW, as much as you try to claim otherwise, we agree on the majority of things, and you agree with me a whole hell of a lot more than you agree with the average person. Tongue

Jagger: Language shouldn't be much of a concern, just tell the commentators to try to keep it clean. It should be pretty obvious that this is for charity and you are representing SDA. People can give presentations for school or work without lots of cursing, it shouldn't be a foreign concept to apply that here. It's not about begin PC or whatever, it's just using some common sense. Don't want to turn away potential donors. We're not going to be using #sda, so I don't think it would be strange at all. BTW, my opinion is that we should try to have everyone working on this actually be there in person. It would be a real turn-off to viewers whenever the commentator video cuts off, for example.

Speedrun DVDs aren't worth the time and effort. If Nate still has those old DVDs, I'm sure they're all outdated anyway.

Mike: I alluded to werewolves, but actually they're not that hard if you know what you're doing, that's why I mentioned practice there. The other route skips werewolves, but I don't think it makes Spiky Tiger any easier, unless there's something I forget. Best thing to do is just use the neko in jail to level up in that area (tons more exp than walking around the overworld on that other path). You can pretty much coast on armor most of the game, but as soon as you can fly and afford it, get great armor from the gold city. Of course, the best thing to do is solicit a safe 3p SS route from the people in the SOM thread. It's a really popular game (once again I am talking popularity of the game and not quality! ;)) and I'm sure they can take the time to devise better ideas than we could.

About commentators, yeah of course, also keep in mind that during later hours there will be less viewers too.

About failing, I think this is something that can't be overemphasized. SDA runners are used to restarting as soon as one small mistake is made, are mostly perfectionists, and aren't used to handling situations such as dealing with mistakes. This is awful for something like this. I don't want some OCD runner failing one section 20x in a row like Birdman during that one dunk contest. Mercy rule is definitely the way to go, and runners need to understand and not get mad. The key is knowing your audience. This one guy got famous on the internet many years back for his video of beating Contra in 15 minutes. Most people watching that would rate it higher than Frezy somehow making almost a minute's worth of death and continue-filled mistakes and finishing in 11 minutes. Casual gamers can't tell if someone is being slower than they should be, but they can still notice blatant mistakes and even deaths. Safe running will be the most consistent way to be impressive to these people.

Frezy: Yeah, sounds great, but you definitely do need to practice the later cups. If I go through all 20 courses in a row, I can get all 1sts. Hardest two are DP3 and RR. They're easier 2p though. Also, looking at that list of games, you are a total godsend with the depth of games you're good at. Wink

Mike again: I could do Kid Icarus if I had to, but I don't think it's necessary as it's not all that popular for a Nintendo game (if only they had turned it into a franchise! Of course, neither is Super Tennis but let's ignore this argument-destroying fact). Plus some NES runner could probably do it better. I'll think of another game to run if we need any more slots after Frezy attack. If only there was a way to run Tecmo Super Bowl or Madden or TSS or SMB3 vs mode or an easy shmup or something I wouldn't have to practice. Tongue

Right now I'm completely stress-free as I'm signed up for nothing I could possibly fail.

Also, I'm accounting for a ton of time already just from SOM. Breakdown, put down like 5:30 I guess. Are we gonna have to sit through endings and crap like that? Are we doing this in general, or just moving on to next game? What do you think viewers would want? My guess is yes endings, but we might want to skip some of the crazy longer ones like FF3/6 in the interest of time. Although, those games are the ones with rabid fans that would most want to see the endings. So who knows?

[quote="lag"]
[quote="Enhasa"]It's mostly about getting hype and being able to communicate[/quote]
Argh! I have the complete opposite view, though I can understand being frustrated at listening to some guy who is a complete zelda nerd but only able to say the word 'um'. Maybe it's because I'm not American so I don't understand hype </racism>

I'd much rather guest commentators were involved. Keeps the voice fresh for one, so if I take offense to someone's impermeable accent at least I could wait for the next game :P
[/quote]
Yeah, I don't think you got the intended meaning out of what I was saying there, heh. (Not your fault, but could you really imagine me saying GET HYPE seriously?) Whenever I've said the word hype anywhere, it has always been completely tongue in cheek. In this case I just mean: don't be boring. If you've listened to audio commentaries, I like stanski's the best, more than Mike (over-the-top style, still love you though man) and especially sternn (knowledgeable but bores me to sleep). I think Grenola's is really dry as well, don't remember.

I guess saying EVO threw you off, I forgot I said that because it wasn't in the quote. Anyone listening to EVO would get the idea that they prefer Seth Killian over the other guys, but he sounds very insincere and awkward when he tries to sound excited sometimes, so he shouldn't act that way and try to hype up anything. I don't disagree with this in the slightest.

Obviously, it would be best to be both knowledgeable and interesting, but the worst sin is being boring. Being annoying is also bad, but the definition of that differs from person to person. Ban on internet memes covers most of it for me though. The easiest way not to be boring long-term is to mix up commentators and have guest commentators. So I agree with you and apparently everyone else in this thread.

I can hardly stand any real-life sports commentators (they're almost all annoying dunces), but a decent one covering a sport he/she doesn't normally cover is always MUCH better than the normal ones covering that sport. I'll take substance over style every time, in any situation, but in terms of spectating, people tune out when it's boring. You gotta remember what your focus is. A top professor is allowed to be boring. A commentator raising money for charity shouldn't be. People will leave if they're bored.

BTW, as much as you try to claim otherwise, we agree on the majority of things, and you agree with me a whole hell of a lot more than you agree with the average person. :P

Jagger: Language shouldn't be much of a concern, just tell the commentators to try to keep it clean. It should be pretty obvious that this is for charity and you are representing SDA. People can give presentations for school or work without lots of cursing, it shouldn't be a foreign concept to apply that here. It's not about begin PC or whatever, it's just using some common sense. Don't want to turn away potential donors. We're not going to be using #sda, so I don't think it would be strange at all. BTW, my opinion is that we should try to have everyone working on this actually be there in person. It would be a real turn-off to viewers whenever the commentator video cuts off, for example.

Speedrun DVDs aren't worth the time and effort. If Nate still has those old DVDs, I'm sure they're all outdated anyway.

Mike: I alluded to werewolves, but actually they're not that hard if you know what you're doing, that's why I mentioned practice there. The other route skips werewolves, but I don't think it makes Spiky Tiger any easier, unless there's something I forget. Best thing to do is just use the neko in jail to level up in that area (tons more exp than walking around the overworld on that other path). You can pretty much coast on armor most of the game, but as soon as you can fly and afford it, get great armor from the gold city. Of course, the best thing to do is solicit a safe 3p SS route from the people in the SOM thread. It's a really popular game (once again I am talking popularity of the game and not quality! ;)) and I'm sure they can take the time to devise better ideas than we could.

About commentators, yeah of course, also keep in mind that during later hours there will be less viewers too.

About failing, I think this is something that can't be overemphasized. SDA runners are used to restarting as soon as one small mistake is made, are mostly perfectionists, and aren't used to handling situations such as dealing with mistakes. This is awful for something like this. I don't want some OCD runner failing one section 20x in a row like Birdman during that one dunk contest. Mercy rule is definitely the way to go, and runners need to understand and not get mad. The key is knowing your audience. This one guy got famous on the internet many years back for his video of beating Contra in 15 minutes. Most people watching that would rate it higher than Frezy somehow making almost a minute's worth of death and continue-filled mistakes and finishing in 11 minutes. Casual gamers can't tell if someone is being slower than they should be, but they can still notice blatant mistakes and even deaths. Safe running will be the most consistent way to be impressive to these people.

Frezy: Yeah, sounds great, but you definitely do need to practice the later cups. If I go through all 20 courses in a row, I can get all 1sts. Hardest two are DP3 and RR. They're easier 2p though. Also, looking at that list of games, you are a total godsend with the depth of games you're good at. ;)

Mike again: I could do Kid Icarus if I had to, but I don't think it's necessary as it's not all that popular for a Nintendo game (if only they had turned it into a franchise! Of course, neither is Super Tennis but let's ignore this argument-destroying fact). Plus some NES runner could probably do it better. I'll think of another game to run if we need any more slots after Frezy attack. If only there was a way to run Tecmo Super Bowl or Madden or TSS or SMB3 vs mode or an easy shmup or something I wouldn't have to practice. :P Right now I'm completely stress-free as I'm signed up for nothing I could possibly fail.

Also, I'm accounting for a ton of time already just from SOM. Breakdown, put down like 5:30 I guess. Are we gonna have to sit through endings and crap like that? Are we doing this in general, or just moving on to next game? What do you think viewers would want? My guess is yes endings, but we might want to skip some of the crazy longer ones like FF3/6 in the interest of time. Although, those games are the ones with rabid fans that would most want to see the endings. So who knows?

Frezy_man

2009-09-28 02:50:54 am

bläää

Do not worry about if I will going to MAGfest.

Attending MAGFest?
YES! (Bought the tickets a week ago)

Most likely from my list of games Contra low% and MMX 100% is most likely to not be shown because there is runs for this games already. but What do you guys think about Super mario bros 3? I guess 2 runs could be a nice watch there? a no flute run. I have heard that Ultimate Darius will show up at MAGfest. What about doing a 2p run there or racing eachother? What would be most interesting. No flute or 100%? Personally I prefer "No flute" because you can skip most of the slow scrollers that way.

MatrixTN: I have a lots of practice to do before MAGfest anyways. I guess we just try to go trough the game once or something before the show, what about it?

Enhasa: If it is interest for a 2p race trough then I would like to play with you if no one else good SMK player would show up at MAGfest. These two levels you are talking about give me troubles sometimes too. But with some warm ups my chance to finnish first or second is very high. I know you like to play with DK or Bowser. I guess I will drive with Koopa or Toad because that is what I am used to. Eventually I will use Mario or DK for the Mushroom cup. Otherwise I might not keep up with you. Shall we go trough all cups i a row? Currently I do not have the cart so I have problems guessing how long this would take anyways.

And I also Think Breakdown running Zelda sounds great. Even if it would not be close to a WR time. I guess a real time 40-50 Minute run would be a good watch.

Do not worry about if I will going to MAGfest.

[u][b]Attending MAGFest?[/b][/u]
YES! (Bought the tickets a week ago)

Most likely from my list of games Contra low% and MMX 100% is most likely to not be shown because there is runs for this games already. but What do you guys think about Super mario bros 3? I guess 2 runs could be a nice watch there? a no flute run. I have heard that Ultimate Darius will show up at MAGfest. What about doing a 2p run there or racing eachother? What would be most interesting. No flute or 100%? Personally I prefer "No flute" because you can skip most of the slow scrollers that way.

MatrixTN: I have a lots of practice to do before MAGfest anyways. I guess we just try to go trough the game once or something before the show, what about it?

Enhasa: If it is interest for a 2p race trough then I would like to play with you if no one else good SMK player would show up at MAGfest. These two levels you are talking about give me troubles sometimes too. But with some warm ups my chance to finnish first or second is very high. I know you like to play with DK or Bowser. I guess I will drive with Koopa or Toad because that is what I am used to. Eventually I will use Mario or DK for the Mushroom cup. Otherwise I might not keep up with you. Shall we go trough all cups i a row? Currently I do not have the cart so I have problems guessing how long this would take anyways.

And I also Think Breakdown running Zelda sounds great. Even if it would not be close to a WR time. I guess a real time 40-50 Minute run would be a good watch.

Emptyeye

2009-09-28 05:56:22 am

Talk to the Hand

Quote from Enhasa:

About failing, I think this is something that can't be overemphasized. SDA runners are used to restarting as soon as one small mistake is made, are mostly perfectionists, and aren't used to handling situations such as dealing with mistakes. This is awful for something like this. I don't want some OCD runner failing one section 20x in a row like Birdman during that one dunk contest. Mercy rule is definitely the way to go, and runners need to understand and not get mad. The key is knowing your audience. This one guy got famous on the internet many years back for his video of beating Contra in 15 minutes. Most people watching that would rate it higher than Frezy somehow making almost a minute's worth of death and continue-filled mistakes and finishing in 11 minutes. Casual gamers can't tell if someone is being slower than they should be, but they can still notice blatant mistakes and even deaths. Safe running will be the most consistent way to be impressive to these people.

Thankfully (In terms of practicing for live events such as this; admittedly, it probably weakens the quality of my SDA runs), I'm not like the average speedrunner in this regard. Barring something major like a death (And in my practice runs for the marathon, I've been going on even then), I'll generally keep playing anyway and see what happens--see my Chuck Rock run for an on-site example--my rationale being "The (now no longer on the site) SM64 70-star run had a bad start by the runner's own admission, and ended up one of the best and most-loved runs on the site". So mistake adjustment is really nothing new to me. That said, I agree that some kind of Mercy Rule/killswitch idea would be prudent.

Incidentally, that Contra in 15 Minutes video was one of the first times I had seen an example of "Speedrunning" proper.

[quote="Enhasa"]
About failing, I think this is something that can't be overemphasized. SDA runners are used to restarting as soon as one small mistake is made, are mostly perfectionists, and aren't used to handling situations such as dealing with mistakes. This is awful for something like this. I don't want some OCD runner failing one section 20x in a row like Birdman during that one dunk contest. Mercy rule is definitely the way to go, and runners need to understand and not get mad. The key is knowing your audience. This one guy got famous on the internet many years back for his video of beating Contra in 15 minutes. Most people watching that would rate it higher than Frezy somehow making almost a minute's worth of death and continue-filled mistakes and finishing in 11 minutes. Casual gamers can't tell if someone is being slower than they should be, but they can still notice blatant mistakes and even deaths. Safe running will be the most consistent way to be impressive to these people.
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Thankfully (In terms of practicing for live events such as this; admittedly, it probably weakens the quality of my SDA runs), I'm not like the average speedrunner in this regard. Barring something major like a death (And in my practice runs for the marathon, I've been going on even then), I'll generally keep playing anyway and see what happens--see my Chuck Rock run for an on-site example--my rationale being "The (now no longer on the site) SM64 70-star run had a bad start by the runner's own admission, and ended up one of the best and most-loved runs on the site". So mistake adjustment is really nothing new to me. That said, I agree that some kind of Mercy Rule/killswitch idea would be prudent.

Incidentally, that Contra in 15 Minutes video was one of the first times I had seen an example of "Speedrunning" proper.

RoboSparkle

2009-09-28 07:55:42 am

Magical. Flying. Bathtub

I think there's a lot to be said for live running. I watched a sizeable chunk of the speed gamers' final fantasy marathon a couple months back, and I believe (for some games, anyway) a real-time run can be much more interesting than a speed run for the simple reason that luck manipulation is not a possibility. Again, depending on the game, you really need to be able to think on your feet a lot more since you can't restart until it goes right. Any tricks that you can't get right ALL the time need either a back up plan, or they need to be scrapped. I suppose it's analogous to the difference between a TAS run and a non-TAS run (or a segmented and an SS)

Maybe I just don't like lucky people. Curse those lottery winners! Angry

This all sounds so exciting. Will there be live feeds or recordings for those of us trapped over the pond? Sad

mikwuyma

2009-09-28 08:10:57 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Enhasa: Thanks, I forgot to emphasize that you can't restart in a marathon like this, so playing through the whole game and playing safer than you usually would for a speed run is very important. It's not like I'm going to get another sub-15 minute time in Contra 3. However, some games are naturally more forgiving than others. Dying in a Ninja Gaiden game is pretty much a run-killer (good thing no one is running it), but dying in a Mario game is more of a minor setback than anything else.

Kid Icarus: You're right, it's not that popular and we should be covering enough time without it.

Secret of Mana: No, it doesn't make Spiky Tiger any easier, but it lets you have all 3 characters while leveling up on the slimes. Though maybe leveling up on the eyes that spawn the Robin hood guys is better? You're right, we should just let people in the topic decide the best route. Who will be player 3?

Commentators: A variety of styles is better than just one, especially since tastes vary from person to person. I prefer Satoryu's informative style to stanski's random rambling, but I like hearing commentary from both. Also, there's no one as over-the-top as me yet, so I don't know how much I like the style. Wink

I agree we should have someone commentating at the venue at almost all times, but I'm not sure what we'll do when we do our SDA panel. Also, outside commentators generate means more variety for the online viewing audience, so we should at least have a couple.

Frezy: I think doing a no-flute run of Mario 3 would be worth it, since it dramatically changes the game. Low% Contra might even be good idea too since it's short and people will probably think, "you can't beat the game with the pea shooter". I just don't think 100% MMX is a good idea because it's long and too similar to an any% run.

Now I'm not sure we should have RE because it looks like we'll have plenty of time covered by the other games.

Robosparkle: Yes, or else how else would we get donations?

Enhasa: Thanks, I forgot to emphasize that you can't restart in a marathon like this, so playing through the whole game and playing safer than you usually would for a speed run is very important. It's not like I'm going to get another sub-15 minute time in Contra 3. However, some games are naturally more forgiving than others. Dying in a Ninja Gaiden game is pretty much a run-killer (good thing no one is running it), but dying in a Mario game is more of a minor setback than anything else.

Kid Icarus: You're right, it's not that popular and we should be covering enough time without it.

Secret of Mana: No, it doesn't make Spiky Tiger any easier, but it lets you have all 3 characters while leveling up on the slimes. Though maybe leveling up on the eyes that spawn the Robin hood guys is better? You're right, we should just let people in the topic decide the best route. Who will be player 3?

Commentators: A variety of styles is better than just one, especially since tastes vary from person to person. I prefer Satoryu's informative style to stanski's random rambling, but I like hearing commentary from both. Also, there's no one as over-the-top as me yet, so I don't know how much I like the style. ;) I agree we should have someone commentating at the venue at almost all times, but I'm not sure what we'll do when we do our SDA panel. Also, outside commentators generate means more variety for the online viewing audience, so we should at least have a couple.

Frezy: I think doing a no-flute run of Mario 3 would be worth it, since it dramatically changes the game. Low% Contra might even be good idea too since it's short and people will probably think, "you can't beat the game with the pea shooter". I just don't think 100% MMX is a good idea because it's long and too similar to an any% run.

Now I'm not sure we should have RE because it looks like we'll have plenty of time covered by the other games.

Robosparkle: Yes, or else how else would we get donations?

MatrixTN

2009-09-28 09:18:02 am

You got a deletion wish?

Quote from Frezy_man:

MatrixTN: I have a lots of practice to do before MAGfest anyways. I guess we just try to go trough the game once or something before the show, what about it?

Like I said, earliest opportunity would be nice. My only 2P experience was years back at a friend's; would you believe I didn't know about jump slashing at the time?

andrewg

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andrewg: 2009-09-28 01:14:53 pm

2009-09-28 01:04:36 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

I think there's a good chance I'll be attending now (from what it seems). Grin

I think I'll be able to go, but there's a chance I can't attend. So... Hopefully.

Anyhow, if I can go... I could probably speedrun quite a lot of things. (esp. if I practice a bit more on some other games).
Basically, I can speedrun all the games that I either have the best run on SDA currently or almost have the best time like (EX: smw, CV1, rush n attack, possibly: zelda1, metroid, maybe even a ng.)