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PJ: 2011-10-27 05:06:18 pm
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Did a practice run with the new route tonight.  It clocked in at 1:38:13.  I had a LOT of deaths.  Well actually, maybe it wasn't as many as I think.  In fact I can't think of many deaths I had except for the Porno Cavern (and Cloud!).  Anyways, I forgot to save after leveling in the Porno Cave and then moved on and died to like, the very next fire dragon for a loss of almost exactly 2:00.  I also died a significant amount against Battler for another loss of 3:50.  There were a bunch of other misc deaths that maybe cost 2 minutes total or so, so it looks like a sub-1:30 might barely be possible.  There were a lot of good things about this route and a lot of....not very good things.  Haha.

Good:

Fighting Natela at level 6 is no problem, and skipping the Large Shield is inconsequential.  I save like 35 seconds from skipping this and it doesn't matter.  Definitely skipping from now on.
I found a way to manipulate Turdlecano, which is awesome!
Fighting Duma at level 14 is easy.
Fighting Thimale at level 17 is no problem either, and means I have to listen to less of the terrible ice cave music!
Thimale gives me enough experience to reach level 19 for Ella anyways (usually...if I kill all enemies on the way), and killing her at that level is easy.
The final boss rush at 25 is really easy still.
I save a lot of time that I otherwise spent leveling in Ice Cave and Lagoon Castle.  Much less backtracking, much less risk of getting hit.

Bad stuff:

It took a long time to level to 13.  Well, maybe only 2.5 minutes to level from 10 to 13, but there's no way to get around this.  It needs to happen.  It saves like 1:40 from the Turdlecano fight.
If I get hit by an ice crystal in the Thimale fight, I basically lose the fight.  If I have full health when all the drones are dead, I win; if not, I might not win.
Battler is really hard at level 24.  Rather, I need him to appear in a great spot and I don't think I can one-round kill him; it took 1:30 to kill him tonight (in the successful fight), whereas at level 25 he can be killed pretty easily in one round and the battle lasts like 20 seconds tops.  However, I think it'd take longer than a minute to gain the other level.
Thorbird takes several more rounds at level 25 than at level 26.


There are only three changes to this route I may consider:

1.  Reach level 25 before Battler.  It'd save time on him, Thorbird, and (maybe) Red Gargoyle.  It'd cut 4-5 rounds from Thorbird, but that's only 10 seconds.  Battler was mentioned above.  I need to test Battler more because that's the main factor.  If I can still 1-2 round him, I won't bother.
2.  Skipping the Bright Stone.  I haven't used it in a really long time.  It wasn't mentioned in the above post, but in the Ice Cave, I now just get the Elixir and then run straight to Thimale.  I get the Bright Stone in Lagoon Castle because it's only barely out of the way.  It'd save 10 seconds skipping this, but I don't need it so I may.
3.  Skipping the Curing Ring.  This scares me a little.  It takes 20 seconds to pick up and 19 seconds to equip/unequip it against Thor/Thorbird.  39 seconds can be saved...but it makes the run a lot scarier.  The last few times I played, I killed the final boss in the very first round without healing or anything.  If I can do this consistently, I'll consider skipping the Curing Ring.  It only saves like 50 seconds skipping both this and the bright stone, so it honestly might not even be worth it.  I'll think it over.

Edit:  Battler can barely be one-rounded even at level 25.  I previously fought him at level 26, so 24 was a 2-level difference.  I want to be level 25 for this fight, even though it'll take some time to level.  Unfortunately I just need to sacrifice this time for consistency.
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PJ: 2012-09-14 02:37:19 pm
Is PJ
BUMP

New PB this morning: 1:33:05.  3 deaths: one in Dwarf Cave (very minor), one on Duma (wtf), and one on Thimale.  Overall not a lot of time lost from those; maybe a minute.  I had a ridiculously unlucky fight with Ella, but a great fight with Battler.  Everything else seemed pretty good.

With better luck on Ella, no deaths, and no saving, I mayyyy be able to cut 1:30.  It'll be close.  The only thing I'm considering changing about my route is skipping the 4th sword in Siegfried Castle.  I really dislike making the 60+ second detour through the lag and enemies to pick it up just for 2 bosses.  I need to test skipping it first but it might be doable.

In theory, I'd only be missing that sword for Duma, Thimale, and Ice Cave encounters (and the enemies on the second floor of Lagoon Castle).  I get Moon Sword after that.  If I kill like 4 more enemies in the Ice Cave, I'd reach level 18 for Thimale which would make that a bit easier.  Not sure how much time I lose by skipping it.  Needs testing.

Might be ready for attempts next week.  Stay tuned!

Edit:  Did some testing just now.

My route was the same up until Siegfried Castle.  In the basement, I usually only kill the elephant knights.  The sword dancers are worth 12 more exp though, so I decided to kill them.  They only need 1 sword swing and 4 large fireballs to kill.  Therefore, I'm going to try to do more grouping on the elephant knights and save my magic for the sword dancers.  The extra exp here lets me reach level 18 in the Ice Cave just by killing every enemy I walk past.  I found the timing to kill the eskimos while walking so I don't lose much time there.

I skipped the Force Sword to save a little over a minute, I equipped power ring at the same time as my new armor/shield to save one menu transition (~8 seconds).  It doesn't appear to make any difference at all.  Eskimos might take 1-2 extra hits but since I kill them while walking it doesn't matter.  Duma takes 1 extra hit I think.  It may cost an extra round against him, but it also might not if I do it right.  Thimale at level 18 is easier because I have more health/defense, but the ice drones take 2 hits now.  Doesn't really matter because I'm in a safe spot for them anyways.

I didn't play through Lagoon Castle with this because the only enemies affected are the slow knights on the second floor.  Looks like this is a good route change.
Willing to teach you the impossible
Was wondering what your best time is currently. Also do you have any videos of any runs available?
Is PJ
My best time is the 1:33:05 I mentioned in the above post.  There is no video of it because it was in like 30 parts that night while I was streaming; internet kept disconnecting.

I was really hoping to finish this run in the near future, but I got distracted...as always.  Haha.
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PJ: 2013-05-01 01:12:07 am
Is PJ
GET SOME

1:28:52 no deaths.  Suck it, game.

http://www.twitch.tv/pjdicesare/c/2227536

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I survived MIKE-Fest 1
Wow, it's been so long I first saw you played that game (AGDQ11)

and now there's a DEATHLESS sub 90 min ... that is crazy awesome,

Well done PJ, well done
Waiting hurts my soul...
I'm glad I was there to witness this. Although not actively watching, I was in chat shortly before it started (watched the previous failed run as it went down), left the stream on as I settled down for the night, and was able to catch the tail end. You have mastered Lagoon. I don't know any one who's desired or deserved that title more. Now, go put ActRaiser 2 in its place, then rest easy, for you do good work.
Sandbagging
Sick. You are my hero.
1-Up!
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Wow, it's been so long I first saw you played that game (AGDQ11)

and now there's a DEATHLESS sub 90 min ... that is crazy awesome,

Well done PJ, well done

Makes me remember when all of us were in Mike's basement taking turns trying to play this game. Only takes a few minutes of futility to understand what an accomplishment this is!
SGL Scrublord
Gooooood stuff. You were right, just one run had to get past Ella the Framewitch and you'd nail it.
Formerly known as Skullboy
Congrats PJ! I will watch this mastery of water cleaning soon.
B+Left, Left, Up+B, ★
Insane. Equipped with only the smallest of butter knives, you destroyed everyone before they destroyed you. Feel proud.
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hitmanatee: 2013-05-01 01:25:12 pm
Grats PJ. Awesome run. Giles will be missed.
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sinister1: 2013-05-01 03:20:45 pm
sinister1
so pro u don't even know
Woo hoo, you did it PJ!! Awesome work, can't wait for the commentary.
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PJ: 2013-05-01 03:44:13 pm
Is PJ
Thanks everybody!  I still can't really believe I actually finished instead of choking on the last boss.  Well actually...I did choke but still finished somehow.  What a relief!

Edit:  Just to be clear, I'm done with this.  This is being submitted.  There is 0% chance I can match the luck I had on Ella in this run.  I was only ~40 seconds behind my absolute best time after killing Duma, and beat Ella 90 seconds faster than my best ever.  She can take as long as she wants, so there's no way I'll risk trying to beat that.
Pudding%
This run was sick and everyone needs to go watch it now.
Evermore Extrodinare ᕦ(° Д°)ᕤ
PJ you have just proven yourself as the MVSR

The Most Valuable Speed Runner...flekkin...EVER. Dude...GRATS on a job VERY WELL DONE. Also...I think I'll have to send you some kinda...fancy booze product or...something so you can enjoy fully this accomplishment you've done. Yeeeaaaaaah...PJ and booze...always fun!
Learning to Stream
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Edit:  Just to be clear, I'm done with this.  This is being submitted.  There is 0% chance I can match the luck I had on Ella in this run.  I was only ~40 seconds behind my absolute best time after killing Duma, and beat Ella 90 seconds faster than my best ever.  She can take as long as she wants, so there's no way I'll risk trying to beat that.


Until a few years from now Wink Or unless someone comes along and beats this by a few seconds. We all know you won't put up with that shit Smiley [Goes to find a Lagoon cart to harass PJ with]

But all potential kidding aside... [Potential... God only knows I may follow through on this since you made this damn game look like so much fun!] Congrats once more! Was an honour to have seen this one live!