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Personally, I think the thread is a bit useless too, aside from getting fresh impressions from after this last marathon.  It's certainly not because of a timing issue, though.

What the topic should have been:

1) "Ideas for NEXT Marathon."  This removes the apparent timing problems that some believe there are, because it would just be about any upcoming marathon, and many of us are hoping for one in the summer. This also allows discussion for things besides what games to play.  We probably can't do that now in this thread because it would get a bit unwieldy.

2) The thread should have been created to decide three things:  A) The setting; B) the time; and C) the theme (if any) of the next marathon. 

As to A, I suggest (perhaps self-servingly) that it be held on the West Coast of the States.  This is because the winter marathons are consistently held on the East Coast.  However, there is another far more intriguing option (which is also far less self-serving): hold it in Europe.

As to B, I guess I've already said that the point of this discussion, if there is one, at the current time would be to serve a marathon that is held outside the typical Magfest timeframe, such as in the summer.  For the record, we probably do not have enough members to support more than two marathons.  Huge sites like IGN or something could probably support one a season if they wanted because they only need 1 in 2,000 people to donate to make it worthwhile, and they would meet that kind of mainstream vein pretty easily.  We, on the other hand, probably need something much higher, like 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 to donate to make it worthwhile for whatever charity we're supporting.  Regular members' attention spans are probably not large enough to devote interest to four or five of these things a year, and potential members will not be excited if the marathons are too frequent.  So, two might be the happiest fit, assuming it is anything more than one.

As to c, personally, I don't think we should go for any-and-all games at every marathon if we try to do a summer marathon.  Maybe the summer marathon can focus on obscure games?  Maybe it can focus on multiplayer games?  Whatever, but the two marathons might be better off complimenting each other than supplementing each other.
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I thought the point was to move the main marathon to summer time, not to have two marathons.

A couple things that happen in (or near) the summer time that are video game related:

E3 (Early June - Los Angeles)
PAX (Late August - Seattle)

So, if we want to miss those times, or take advantage of the crowds, it's good to keep those in mind.
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Maybe it was.  That doesn't really matter for what I was saying (aside from point C, I suppose).  Though, it'd sure be nice to someday be able to support two, because it broadens the opportunity for people to participate immensely.
Breath of Fire III would be a good run, though I don't know of any sequence breaks.

Final Fantasy 9 race to defeat the timed boss and get Excalinur II.  Winner gets to complete his game.

PianoMan - Any Mega Man game race with piano accompaniment.

How about have a concurrent Dance Dance Revolution Marathon (in another room), where people donate x amount of $ for every 100 or so steps?
I don't see how this thread hurts anything. Worst case scenario, it can be ignored completely while people post games they like and would like to see in the next marathon. I think it's a good sign to have a topic like this, as it seems that people are still excited about the marathon that just happened and are looking forward to the next one. Ignore the thread if you want and if you need some ideas later on, maybe you'll browse through here. *shrugs*
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Problem with a west coast (or europe) marathon:

[01:24] <@jewyama> oh you mean what are the chances it will be in the west coast?
[01:24] <@jewyama> none unless if someone else does something about it

Problem with having multiple marathons per year:

Runners need to get to the marathon and that costs a significant amount of money for most of people. We don't need to worry about people not donating if runners can't afford to show up in the first place.
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Well that was kind of the point.  This would be an opportunity for people who are far from the East Coast to attend an event that might be closer.  Honestly, I thought the alternate marathons would be options instead of the Magfest ones, as opposed to on top of the Magfest ones.  Therefore, certain people might look at their schedules and decide that a summer marathon might be much more doable and opt out of the winter marathon.  Essentially, it would be possible we'd have completely different people at each.

As for your first point: that's not exactly a "problem" with the idea as much as it is an observation that if we were ever going to do a marathon somewhere other than where Mike lived, then we would need someone to take up his initiative.  Though, if absolutely none of the SDA staff or tech people are able/willing to attend a marathon at any other time of the year, I suppose that actually would be a problem.

By the way, someone mentioned that we were not looking to do two marathons a year as much as just move the winter marathon to the summer, but I see that as saying there would at least be one year with two marathons (the year of the transition), because I don't see Mike waiting 18 months to have a marathon (by skipping a winter and going straight to summer).

I'm not campaigning for this horribly seriously.  I just thought it would be cool to have two complimenting groups of people doing marathons a year, because one marathon which is consistently in one place and consistently at one time of the year is going to tend to leave certain people out on a consistent or near-consistent basis.  If we held it in Europe, I personally wouldn't be able to go to either, but it'd still be nice to see some fresh faces with some different styles of games (perhaps) and with some different sounding voices in a different looking setting, so I'd still love to see it.  Plus, the Europeans would probably enjoy it a lot, especially considering the time zone differences. Anyway, if there is so much opposition to these ideas, though, I suppose the idea is moot. 
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Personally I wouldn't be too happy if the marathons were moved to the summer, since June and July are the months I'm mostly busy with university exams, and in August I don't even have an Internet connection.
"Globally" I think August is a terrible idea, since most people are on vacation and either wouldn't be able to follow it or just wouldn't want to spend their holiday time in front of a computer.

As for the location, it looks like the East Coast is a good middle point between West Coast and Europe. Sure, the europeans who come to the marathon are only a handful, but they're already spending a lot of money to get there. It wouldn't be that fair to increase their tickets' price even further.
A European marathon? As much as I'd like it, since I could actually participate actively to it, I don't quite see it happening.
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ZenicReverie: 2011-01-20 09:24:06 pm
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I'm sure Mike will update once he's more rested and thought about the implications of what he suggested, but from my understanding, there was a suggested mini-marathon this summer (48 hours?) to let people know we're moving the time frame. A smaller setting would be better setting to experiment with off-site runners and understand the risks involved in that. Off-site runners would eliminate the need to have people gather in a central location. Of course, a lot of community feeling of such a gathering is lost in that sense, but at least it's easier on people tight on money/time. It was suggested that summer is best because people are out of college and able to travel/have more time.

P.S. A west coast gathering would definitely be easier on me, but is anyone willing and able to deal with the logistics?
really, it needs to be more centrally located. like no further east then Chicago, no further west then Denver.

OR

Run 2 consecutive marathons, as one.  aka day1-5 in Chevy Chase, day 6-10 in LA.  or something like that.
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ZenicReverie:  I must have missed that discussion.  I'm interested in the idea (probably pretty obvious at this point).  Off-site runners sounds like a good idea, too, if we can get it to work.  So, maybe we can just use this thread to start talking about Mike's idea then.
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I don't think I'm pulling this out of nowhere, but those are the two points I remember being discussed (summer time and off-site runners).

Zeo's idea of having (planning) two (or more) marathons to occur in tandem sounds like a logistical nightmare. We only have 1 nate and 1 lag. Wink
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Quote from ZenicReverie:
I don't think I'm pulling this out of nowhere, but those are the two points I remember being discussed (summer time and off-site runners).

Zeo's idea of having (planning) two (or more) marathons to occur in tandem sounds like a logistical nightmare. We only have 1 nate and 1 lag. Wink


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As far as non-east coast marathons are concerned, the location I seemed to get the most consensus on from people I talked to about it was Texas, as we have a few runners who live there, and it's centrally located for everyone else. But as Mike pointed out, this means that someone else will have to do the leg work as far as scouting out a location and all of that is concerned.

Date-wise, I'm on the fence about doing both a winter AND summer marathon, but definitely not opposed. Holding a summer marathon at PAX in Seattle could potentially work out really well, as I'm sure the Penny Arcade guys would be very accommodating to us (they've showcased speed run footage frequently at past events). This would guarantee us a very large live audience, but would definitely have to be a shorter marathon, and not an uninterrupted event either (as I'm fairly sure the convention center where they hold it kicks everyone out at night :P). And of course, we may end up running into the same problems as with Magfest last year. Still, I think it's worth looking into if other people like the idea.
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I would support a west coast SDA marathon...  El Paso Represent!

Just need to see how many other people on the west coast would actually want to consider it...
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Back to what the topic was originally about:

I am actually planning on making the next one (2012, not the possible summer one this year). I could very easily do any of the following:
Crystalis
Metroid (100% run)
Metroid Zero Mission (100% Normal)
Final Fantasy Mystic Quest (actually wouldn't be that difficult, honestly)
Lufia II (this can be Single seg'd with how the RNG works)
Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow (Soma NewGame+ or any type of Julius run...normal run of this takes entirely too much luck manipulation)
Legacy of the Wizard (I saw this one mentioned somewhere in this thread...)
Air Fortress

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Concerning RPGs: I liked that this year we didn't repeat any RPGs from last year's marathon.  I worry that people will get bored if we do the same RPGs over and over, since they're so long and won't be much different from year to year due to having to use safe SS strategies.

Final Fantasy VII was definitely a very popular RPG that we didn't have this year.  If there's enough interest I could probably do it, although it'd be great if we could get GarlandG or lolo26 who have actually completed SS runs of FFVII.  (Sorry I never contacted them about this year's marathon.)  However, I'd feel more comfortable running FFX, as long as it's the only RPG I'd be doing for the marathon, but I know it's not an ideal game for a marathon.  I bring up FFX because my goal is to complete a SS run of it this year, so I'll really practiced up on it.

I don't know much about most other RPG series, so I hope others will chime in with their thoughts.


If the original runner or the 2 you mentioned, Essentia, can't make it, I'd be willing to see how doable this one would be. I don't think there any question to how popular it is, but in the SDA runner's comments, he mentions quite a few times how many times he restarted particular segments, which makes me a little concerned with how much luck manipulation would be involved. In addition if it were to be the PS1 version (the only version I own), we'd be looking at a run that would span at least 9 hours with loading times + potential restarts factored in.

(Or, we could race this one... :P...maybe a co-op even - like each of us would handle certain parts of the game, split it into 4 sections and we each take 2, etc.)

I'll see if I can come up with any others I think would be a good idea while I'm at work tomorrow.
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I, too, am planning to make 2012! With any luck I will also have the lovely flyingfox in tow. Smiley

Stuff I can run:
Sonic 3, obviously (co-op if Emma comes along, but any run of this game has some amazing tricks)
I will race Sonic 1 if stanski comes too. No such luck on Sonic 2 though.
Wario Land 4 (I don't actually know this game yet, but I want to get the game again and do a run for SDA, it's one of my favourite games)
Golden Sun (quite commonly requested in the chat, interestingly... again I'd have to learn most of it again from scratch)

Emma and I have also talked about learning a co-op game... we both really like the idea of The Adventures of Cookie and Cream, but I might have some competition from Mike there. Wink We could also learn something like Castle of Illusion which would be a much smaller time investment.

EDIT: Depending who steps up I'd also be down for a Banjo-Kazooie race too.
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Since playing at Mike's, I'm ALWAYS down for some Cookie and Cream!  (game is en route to my apartment now via amazon).  2V2 race next year would be so sweet.
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I, too, am planning to make 2012! With any luck I will also have the lovely flyingfox in tow. Smiley

Stuff I can run:
Sonic 3, obviously (co-op if Emma comes along, but any run of this game has some amazing tricks)
I will race Sonic 1 if stanski comes too. No such luck on Sonic 2 though.
Wario Land 4 (I don't actually know this game yet, but I want to get the game again and do a run for SDA, it's one of my favourite games)
Golden Sun (quite commonly requested in the chat, interestingly... again I'd have to learn most of it again from scratch)

Emma and I have also talked about learning a co-op game... we both really like the idea of The Adventures of Cookie and Cream, but I might have some competition from Mike there. Wink We could also learn something like Castle of Illusion which would be a much smaller time investment.


Well then I better work hard so I can move to Australia to live with mike89 so we'll have more time to practice Smiley I have a lot of things to sort out before I can move over there. Me and mike89 want to put more tricks into the S3 co-op run, so that should be good. He also made me watch an LP of Cookie and Cream, which I had never heard or seen of before but I admit looks like a really cool game. I really want to do a co-op run with mik89. Also I think you meant to say World of Illusion there, which does have a co-op mode on it. I have played that game for many years when I was younger. It wouldn't be that hard to pick it up again Shocked
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trihex: 2011-01-21 05:38:12 am
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So many topics to answer:

I actually like the idea of 2 marathons yearly as long as they compliment each other. It would certainly take A LOT of work and constant maintenance to ever keep up, but it's an interesting prospect. Unfortunately, I don't like the pitch of Summer Marathon being held at Denver, CO; I dig it being in California much more due to sheer volume of people/things to do there, (And, to be honest, it gives me much more incentive to want to come to "both" marathons yearly) but that's just me.

And as Arrow mentioned, a few of us at the marathon were digging the idea of an alternative marathon or the current one being relocated to somewhere more central, like Dallas, TX or something; but that was before this whole talk about doing a second, mini-marathon to compliment the main marathon. Now, I'm not sure what I think until more details become concrete about the future marathon(s).

And for topic-related information, I'd still love to go for Yoshi's Island 100% SS. I know a lot of the chat logs mentioned being quite happy with the few samples they got during the any% SS this year. I'd also love to do Jet Set Radio Future, possibly as a sing-a-long. Similar to Arrow's Katamari Damacy speedrun during 2011 Marathon. Wink
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I'm with Tri-hex, put that summer marathon in SoCal and I am there. San Diego could be a prime location. Also, Las Vegas might not be the worst site ever Smiley