FFXII - New Run Complete!

2012-07-30 09:30:03 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Yes lurker. I need to re-do the hour 2 commentary since hour 2 changed quite a bit and then I'll have to record the other commentaries an hour at a time. It will probably take me a few weeks to work out times I can get the commentaries done with the other commentators but as they get done I'll be uploading them to youtube and when they are all done I'll submit to SDA.

Deedlit

2012-07-31 05:38:51 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Out of curiosity, what was your final save time?

Youkai

2012-08-01 09:38:59 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Quote from Deedlit:

Out of curiosity, what was your final save time?

There is no "Final save" in this game. The last save is the save wherever you happen to do it before you fly to the final boss fights. I do go into the menu very close to the end of the last boss fight though and that shows the current game time which as far as I can tell is accurate.

Quote from Youkai:

6:35:17 should be the game time at the time of The Undying's death.

Neurotik N3

2012-08-01 04:42:09 pm

I. Hear. A. Sound.

Congratulations, Youkai!
That is an awesome time, can't wait to see the run. Smiley

Youkai

2012-08-01 10:20:46 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

A new hour 2 is up on my playlist for the run and hour 3 is up now as well.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA9DB1B3B13498CA0&feature=view_all

Youkai

2012-08-23 05:15:07 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

All of the run is now up on my Youtube channel if you want to watch it. Also I'm submitting the run so check the verification thread if you want to be a verifier.

FFgamer86

2012-08-25 12:01:36 am

SDA Speedruns: 1

Youkai, if you ever come on irc, join channel #finalfantasy, ive already got people asking about your run.

jpic

2012-08-25 07:52:50 am

Nice one youkai! really enjoyed watching this game being broken

I do have a piece of constructive critiscm, and that is the sound quality on some parts of the commentary ranges wildly, as an example in hours 6+7 nitrodon's mic seems very distorted. I don't know if your planning on submitting that with your run (or if it would affect it's verification) but i thought I'd throw it out there

other than that though thanks for the awesome run

Mystery

2012-08-25 09:55:26 am

Quote from Youkai:

All of the run is now up on my Youtube channel if you want to watch it. Also I'm submitting the run so check the verification thread if you want to be a verifier.

I've looked at hours 1-5, and I just wanted to say that I'm looking forward to watching hours 6-7. Very nice run, so far!

Youkai

2012-08-25 12:15:40 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Quote from FFgamer86:

Youkai, if you ever come on irc, join channel #finalfantasy, ive already got people asking about your run.

I'll try to be on there occasionally to answer questions.

Quote from jpic:

I do have a piece of constructive critiscm, and that is the sound quality on some parts of the commentary ranges wildly, as an example in hours 6+7 nitrodon's mic seems very distorted. I don't know if your planning on submitting that with your run (or if it would affect it's verification) but i thought I'd throw it out there

It may be but there's only so much you can do with a skype call. They were recorded on different days so some variation is to be expected. The game audio on the recordings is good quality so that's what matters. If the commentary bothers people they don't have to listen to it.

Youkai

2012-10-14 08:53:37 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Someone asked for my notes so I'm posting them here. This is basically just an outline of my run and what to buy. If you want actual descriptions of how the boss battles work and stuff just listen to the commentary.

http://ff12maps.com/
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.geocities.jp/eguchi_54/diary.html&ei=7TbRT5KjOuPS2gWJv82XDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CFcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.geocities.jp/eguchi_54/diary.html%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D914%26prmd%3Dimvns
http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/23704024
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Augment_%28Final_Fantasy_XII%29
http://www.geocities.jp/demen_bunansa/international/character/date.html

Segment 01 - 16:07
Start game.
Skip,Skip,Skip
Change settings
Kill man so he doesn't distract the next fight.
Battle Remora
Skip after transition
Skip before three guards
Skip, Skip, Skip
Battle Rats
Skip, Skip, Skip, Cancel, Next
Skip Cutscene in front of Migellos
Skip The Sandsea
Get Hunt
Equip Armlet
Skip at gate
Touch crystal
Battle Tomato
Skip after Vanquished, Next
Talk to Kytes at the gate
Skip, Skip, Skip, Next
Skip at Dalan's door
Talk to Masyua
Skip, Next
Remove Penelo's gear
Find Jinn
Save Giza Plains
Segment 02 - 20:26
Get Sunstone
Return to Rabanastre
Skip in Lowtown, Next
Skip at Dalan, Next
Skip when leaving
Save Westgate
Segment 03 - 33:23
Remove equipment
Damage down to under 10%
Re-equip and battle speed
Dustia Leveling
Re-Equip
Meet Kytes in lowtown
Skip
Go through sewers to stairs
Skip, Skip
Sneak past imperials
Secret passage
Skip, Next, Skip
Skip, Skip
Join with Balthier and Fran
Turn on Vaan's gambits
Save before Ashe
Segment 04 - 42:59
Skip before fight
Battle soldiers
Skip after fight
Skip before Flan
Battle flan
Skip after Flan
Skip before Firemane
Battle Firemane
Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
License Fire
Skip
Fight bangaa
Skip
Skip
Get Items
Skip
Skip
Skip, Skip, Next, Skip
Touch switch
Get Fuse
Buy Blizzard
Install fuse
Save
Segment 05 - 49:13
Licenses
Gambits
Run through passage
Skip, Skip, Skip
Save
Segment 06 - 57:46 4190 gil after selling items - 12500 for 50 Phoenix Down - 8310 to farm - I need 43 Bone Fragments
Skeleton farming
Save
Segment 07 - 1:03:23
Mimic Queen
Remove Fran/Balthier's equip and optomise Vaan
Nalbina
Buy Phoenix Downs
Teleport to Rabanastre
Westgate
Save
Segment 08 - 1:20:22
Dustia
Save
Segment 09 - 1:29:24
Talk to Dalan
Skip, Next
Talk to Balzak
Skip, Skip, Next
The Sandsea
Skip
Turn in Hunt
Skip, Next
Buy Charge
Moogle warp to Westgate
Balthier
Skip, Skip, Skip
Go outside
Skip, Next
Buy Disable, Dark
Buy Echo Herbs
Battle speed
Equip
Licenses
Gambits
Save Lhusu Square
Segment 10 - 1:46:24
Into the mine
Farm Ba'Gamnon
15 for Headsman
Out of the mine
Testify
Skip, Skip, Skip
Talk to the Marquis
Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Next, Next, Next
Segment 11 - 1:51:20
Defeat Judges
Get Ashe
Buy Cherry Staff x2
Buy Reflect
Save Brig No. 1
Segment 12 - 2:01:02
Door
Skip
Run
Skip at Penelo
Party Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
Remove Mythril Blade from Basch
Optomize Vaan equip
Licenses, Magic, Spellbreaker, Armors, Staffs, Save all extra LP for Charge and amulets
Gambits Reflect, Dark
Battle Judge Ghis
Skip, Skip
Party Basch
Talk to Ondore
Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
Get Armor and equip on Ashe, Penelo
Save
Penelo MP Highest: 102
Segment 13 - 2:09:57
Run through Sandsea
As soon as possible Party, Vaan, Ashe, Penelo and reflect up
Switch leaders to Peleno
Buy Immobilize
Save
Segment 14 - 2:24:43
Battle Garuda
Garuda damages Penelo to critical
Skip
Attack Ashe to critical
Buy Sleep, Oil, Aero
Gambit Aero
Run from first Demon Wall
Battle second Demon Wall
Skip
Party Basch
Pedistals
Skip
Party Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
Battle Mode Wait
Battle Belias - Weak water
Weapon switch to pre-firaja
Skip
Skip
Get Dawn Shard
Skip, Skip, Skip
Battle Vossler
Turn gambits off at end of fight
Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
Moogle warp to Southgate
Save
Segment 15 - 2:31:33
Get Chocobo
Golden Amulet
Jahara
Talk to the High-Chief
Talk to the War-Chief
Talk to the Elder
Save
Segment 16 - 2:37:15
Buy Chocobo
Get Gold Amulet
Wild Chocobo
Skip, Skip before jungle
Skip at jungle
Skip
Eruyt Village
Skip
Skip
Cutscene
Skip
Buy Black Belt x3
Teleport Jahara
Save Jahara
Segment 17 - 2:41:28
Farm Gryshal Green
Buy: Shielded armor, Phoenix Down, Gold Needle
Buy: Infuse
Active mode
Party Vaan
License Vaan Cura
Licenses for black belts
Gambit Dark, Charge
Optimize Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
Equip Amulet, Black Belts, Dawn Shard
Save
Segment 18 - 2:47: 34
Get Gold Amulet
Henne Mines
Run through mines
Save
Segment 19 - 2:53:22
Battle Tiamat - Weak earth - absorb wind
Location Eyrut village
Buy Gold Amulet, Fira
Teleport to Henne Mines
Save
Segment 20 - 3:07:22
Jelly chainig - Vaan tank
Let Larsa do all the healing
Teleport Eyrut
Sell items - 67 Yellow Liquid
Buy: Confuse, Decoy, Curaga, Thundara, Blizzara
Save
Segment 21 - 3:20:35
Jelly chainig - Basch tank if not slower. Make sure Vaan stays in level 25.
Let Larsa do all the healing
Teleport Eyrut
Save - Balthier 483 LP
Vaan needs spellbound after Bergan
Segment 22 - 3:31:24
Run through the Feywood
Paramina Rift
Chest: Ice Shield
Chest: Ice Staff (Not Required)
Skip x2 in the rift
Skip at Bur-Omisace
Touch Bur-Omisace Teleport stone
Skip in Bur-Omisace
Skip, Skip, Skip, Next
Sell items
Buy Storm staff x2, Glacial staff x2, Gilt Measure, Enchanters Habit x2, Lamia's Tiara x2
Buy Hi-Potion x30
Chocobo to Stilshrine of Miriam
Save
Segment 23 - 3:36:10
Config
Party: Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
Licenses: Ashe, Penelo - Magick Lore's, Mystic Armor 5
Licenses: Vaan - Thundara, Potion Lore 1 & 2
Licenses: Vaan, Basch - Curaga, Diamond Armor, Potion Lores
Gambits: Ally any reflect, Thundara, Charge
Set gambits off
Equip: Storm staff's, Magick Armor, Dawn Shard
Segment 24 - 3:52:47
Wait mode, Party swap, Equip Armor on Vaan, Remove other equip from Vaan
Battle Vinuskar
Party swap, Put armor back on Basch
Party sway, Armor back on Vaan, Equip all armor
Battle Mateus - Weak lightning - Absorb ice
Gambits off
Teleport Bur-Omisace
Battle mode Active
Party Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
Save
Segment 25 - 3:58:00
Infuse Ashe and Penelo
Battle Bergan
Gambits off
Party Basch
Teleport Nalbina
Save
Segment 26 - 4:13:17
Equip: Fire staffs
License Decoy, Others for Ashe, Penelo
Gambit: Fire. turn others off
Mesophoran Highwaste
Feywood
Moogles
Phon Coast
Decoy Vaan
Party: Basch
Hunters Camp
Buy Bio, Dispel, Death
Buy Mirror Mail
Tchita Uplands
Get Hunt Huh?

Party: Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
Save
Segment 27 - 4:27:00
Area Sochen Cave Palace
Battle Mandragoras - Direct cast Fira
Run
Party swap
Equip swap
Change Gambits
Battle Ahriman
Keep Ashe and Penelo in party so they can Die or Reflect can wear off
Skip at lift
Skip at Old Archades
Talk to Vulger after transition
Save
Segment 28 - 4:41:51
Make sure Vaan's Decoy wears off and refresh it
License Bio
Gambit Bio
Talk to Jules
Talk to Beasley
Talk to Jules
Archades
Buy: Aeroga
Stupid talking quest thing for chops
1A Gentleman Onlooker
1B Eager Crier
2A Senior Researcher
2B Failed Researcher
3A Asipring Starlet
3B Faded Star
4A Philosiher of Cuisine
4B Dangerous Chef
5A Tarot Reader
5B Happy Novelist
6A Lucky Man
6B Romantic Lady
7A Greenseller
7B Vegetable Seller
8A Determined Researcher
8B Ex Researcher
9A Athletic Woman
9B Avid Reader
Taxi
Cutscenes
Ride transport
Switches and things
Save 70th floor
Segment 29 - 4:48:26
Fight Cid - Gun resistance
Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
Balfohem Port
Buy Carabeener Mail x1, Theif's Cap x1
Sell items
Buy X-Potion x30
Buy Firaga
Teleport Bur-Omisace
Save
Segment 30 - 4:52:18
Equip and gambit
Chocobo
Party Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
Gambits off
Battle Mode active
Remove mirror mail from Basch
Save Before fight
Segment 31 - 4:58:38
Battle Rafflesia - Weak wind
Run through woods
Give Gigas license to someone and summon for the gate
Save Gate of Earth
Segment 32 - 5:07:49
Make sure to cast refrlect on Fran and let it wear some before the fight.
Battle Daedalus - Use Confuse - Weak holy - Absorb dark
Run Through Giruvegan
Save Water-Steps
Segment 33 - 5:15:44
Battle Tyrant - Use Confuse - Weak ice
Make sure Ashe and Penelo's Reflect wears off
Telepont to crystal core
SW, SE, S, Device, NE, Cancer, SW, SE, SE, Device, NE, S, Pices, N, SW, S, Device, Skip, Forward
L, L, R, Device, R, B, F, F, Device, RB, R, B, L, L, Device, CS, F, Save
Save Crystal Core
Segment 34 - 5:27:22
Make sure to refresh reflect right before the fight
Battle Shemhazai - Use Immobilize - Random weakness
Skip, Next, Skip, Skip
Balfonhem Port
Meet Reddas
Skip, Next
Stral to Rabanastre
Airship to Nalbina
Buy Bubble
Stral to The Ridorana Cataract
Skip
License Death through Decoy
Save Path hidden blessing
Segment 35 - 5:33:45
Battle Hydro - Run away, Decoy - Weak holy - Absorb dark
License Cura
Equip and gamibt Aeroga
Party Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
Do two of the dark orbs
Save The Wellspring
Segment 36 - 6:00:24
Black Orb
Battle Pandeaemonium - One Aeroga, One Aero, Dispel at start, Vaan Confuse - Weak wind
Pharos first ascent
Battle Slyt - Oil - Weak fire
Pharos second ascent
Altar of Knowledge
Save Reach of the Damned
Segment 37 - 6:11:28
Battle Fenrir - Sleep - Weak earth
Black Sigil
Green Sigil
Red Sigil
Purple Sigil
Fake Wall
Way Stone
Battle Hashamel - Weak wind
Save Empyrean Ravel
Segment 38 - 6:21:12
Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS) - Fire
Battle Cid/Famfrit -
Before
Decoy
Gabranth first form
Gabranth second form
Armor
Decoy
Bubble
Armor
Cid first form
Dispel
Oil
Famfrit
Armor
Dispel
Decoy
Oil
Armor
Cid second form
Armor
Party away
Decoy
Skip, Skip
Text
Skip
Area Balfonhiem
Save Aerodome
Segment 39 - 6:22:51
Config
Segment 40
Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS)
Battle Vayne
Battle Vayne Novus - defeat before Tree of Sephira
Battle The Undying
The End

Someone asked for my notes so I'm posting them here. This is basically just an outline of my run and what to buy. If you want actual descriptions of how the boss battles work and stuff just listen to the commentary.

[hidden="Run notes"]http://ff12maps.com/
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.geocities.jp/eguchi_54/diary.html&ei=7TbRT5KjOuPS2gWJv82XDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CFcQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.geocities.jp/eguchi_54/diary.html%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D914%26prmd%3Dimvns
http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/23704024
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Augment_%28Final_Fantasy_XII%29
http://www.geocities.jp/demen_bunansa/international/character/date.html

Segment 01 - 16:07
	Start game.
	Skip,Skip,Skip
	Change settings
	Kill man so he doesn't distract the next fight.
	Battle Remora
	Skip after transition
	Skip before three guards
	Skip, Skip, Skip
	Battle Rats
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Cancel, Next
	Skip Cutscene in front of Migellos
	Skip The Sandsea
	Get Hunt
	Equip Armlet
	Skip at gate
	Touch crystal
	Battle Tomato
	Skip after Vanquished, Next
	Talk to Kytes at the gate
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Next
	Skip at Dalan's door
	Talk to Masyua
	Skip, Next
	Remove Penelo's gear
	Find Jinn
	Save Giza Plains
Segment 02 - 20:26
	Get Sunstone
	Return to Rabanastre
	Skip in Lowtown, Next
	Skip at Dalan, Next
	Skip when leaving
	Save Westgate
Segment 03 - 33:23
	Remove equipment
	Damage down to under 10%
	Re-equip and battle speed
	Dustia Leveling
	Re-Equip
	Meet Kytes in lowtown
	Skip
	Go through sewers to stairs
	Skip, Skip
	Sneak past imperials
	Secret passage
	Skip, Next, Skip
	Skip, Skip
	Join with Balthier and Fran
	Turn on Vaan's gambits
	Save before Ashe
Segment 04 - 42:59
	Skip before fight
	Battle soldiers
	Skip after fight
	Skip before Flan
	Battle flan
	Skip after Flan
	Skip before Firemane
	Battle Firemane
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
	License Fire
	Skip
	Fight bangaa
	Skip
	Skip
	Get Items
	Skip
	Skip
	Skip, Skip, Next, Skip
	Touch switch
	Get Fuse
	Buy Blizzard
	Install fuse
	Save
Segment 05 - 49:13
	Licenses
	Gambits
	Run through passage
	Skip, Skip, Skip
	Save
Segment 06 - 57:46		4190 gil after selling items - 12500 for 50 Phoenix Down - 8310 to farm - I need 43 Bone Fragments
	Skeleton farming
	Save
Segment 07 - 1:03:23
	Mimic Queen
	Remove Fran/Balthier's equip and optomise Vaan
	Nalbina
	Buy Phoenix Downs
	Teleport to Rabanastre
	Westgate
	Save
Segment 08 - 1:20:22
	Dustia
	Save
Segment 09 - 1:29:24
	Talk to Dalan
	Skip, Next
	Talk to Balzak
	Skip, Skip, Next
	The Sandsea
	Skip
	Turn in Hunt
	Skip, Next
	Buy Charge
	Moogle warp to Westgate
	Balthier
	Skip, Skip, Skip
	Go outside
	Skip, Next
	Buy Disable, Dark
	Buy Echo Herbs
	Battle speed
	Equip
	Licenses
	Gambits
	Save Lhusu Square
Segment 10 - 1:46:24
	Into the mine
	Farm Ba'Gamnon
		15 for Headsman
	Out of the mine
	Testify
	Skip, Skip, Skip
	Talk to the Marquis
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Next, Next, Next
Segment 11 - 1:51:20
	Defeat Judges
	Get Ashe
	Buy Cherry Staff x2
	Buy Reflect
	Save Brig No. 1
Segment 12 - 2:01:02
	Door
	Skip
	Run
	Skip at Penelo
	Party Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
	Remove Mythril Blade from Basch
	Optomize Vaan equip
	Licenses, Magic, Spellbreaker, Armors, Staffs, Save all extra LP for Charge and amulets
	Gambits Reflect, Dark
	Battle Judge Ghis
	Skip, Skip
	Party Basch
	Talk to Ondore
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
	Get Armor and equip on Ashe, Penelo
	Save
		Penelo MP Highest: 102
Segment 13 - 2:09:57
	Run through Sandsea
	As soon as possible Party, Vaan, Ashe, Penelo and reflect up
	Switch leaders to Peleno
	Buy Immobilize
	Save
Segment 14 - 2:24:43
	Battle Garuda
	Garuda damages Penelo to critical
	Skip
	Attack Ashe to critical
	Buy Sleep, Oil, Aero
	Gambit Aero
	Run from first Demon Wall
	Battle second Demon Wall
	Skip
	Party Basch
	Pedistals
	Skip
	Party Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
	Battle Mode Wait
	Battle Belias - Weak water
	Weapon switch to pre-firaja
	Skip
	Skip
	Get Dawn Shard
	Skip, Skip, Skip
	Battle Vossler
	Turn gambits off at end of fight
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
	Moogle warp to Southgate
	Save
Segment 15 - 2:31:33
	Get Chocobo
	Golden Amulet
	Jahara
	Talk to the High-Chief
	Talk to the War-Chief
	Talk to the Elder
	Save
Segment 16 - 2:37:15
	Buy Chocobo
	Get Gold Amulet
	Wild Chocobo
	Skip, Skip before jungle
	Skip at jungle
	Skip
	Eruyt Village
	Skip
	Skip
	Cutscene
	Skip
	Buy Black Belt x3
	Teleport Jahara
	Save Jahara
Segment 17 - 2:41:28
	Farm Gryshal Green
	Buy: Shielded armor, Phoenix Down, Gold Needle
	Buy: Infuse
	Active mode
	Party Vaan
	License Vaan Cura
	Licenses for black belts
	Gambit Dark, Charge
	Optimize Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
	Equip Amulet, Black Belts, Dawn Shard
	Save
Segment 18 - 2:47: 34
	Get Gold Amulet
	Henne Mines
	Run through mines
	Save
Segment 19 - 2:53:22
	Battle Tiamat - Weak earth - absorb wind
	Location Eyrut village
	Buy Gold Amulet, Fira
	Teleport to Henne Mines 
	Save
Segment 20 - 3:07:22
	Jelly chainig - Vaan tank
	Let Larsa do all the healing
	Teleport Eyrut
	Sell items - 67 Yellow Liquid
	Buy: Confuse, Decoy, Curaga, Thundara, Blizzara
	Save
Segment 21 - 3:20:35
	Jelly chainig - Basch tank if not slower. Make sure Vaan stays in level 25.
	Let Larsa do all the healing
	Teleport Eyrut
	Save - Balthier 483 LP
	Vaan needs spellbound after Bergan
Segment 22 - 3:31:24
	Run through the Feywood
	Paramina Rift
	Chest: Ice Shield
	Chest: Ice Staff (Not Required)
	Skip x2 in the rift
	Skip at Bur-Omisace
	Touch Bur-Omisace Teleport stone
	Skip in Bur-Omisace
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Next
	Sell items
	Buy Storm staff x2, Glacial staff x2, Gilt Measure, Enchanters Habit x2, Lamia's Tiara x2
	Buy Hi-Potion x30
	Chocobo to Stilshrine of Miriam
	Save
Segment 23 - 3:36:10
	Config
	Party: Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
	Licenses: Ashe, Penelo - Magick Lore's, Mystic Armor 5
	Licenses: Vaan - Thundara, Potion Lore 1 & 2
	Licenses: Vaan, Basch - Curaga, Diamond Armor, Potion Lores
	Gambits: Ally any reflect, Thundara, Charge
	Set gambits off
	Equip: Storm staff's, Magick Armor, Dawn Shard
Segment 24 - 3:52:47
	Wait mode, Party swap, Equip Armor on Vaan, Remove other equip from Vaan
	Battle Vinuskar
	Party swap, Put armor back on Basch
	Party sway, Armor back on Vaan, Equip all armor
	Battle Mateus - Weak lightning - Absorb ice
	Gambits off
	Teleport Bur-Omisace
	Battle mode Active
	Party Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
	Save
Segment 25 - 3:58:00
	Infuse Ashe and Penelo
	Battle Bergan
	Gambits off
	Party Basch
	Teleport Nalbina
	Save
Segment 26 - 4:13:17
	Equip: Fire staffs
	License Decoy, Others for Ashe, Penelo
	Gambit: Fire. turn others off
	Mesophoran Highwaste
	Feywood
	Moogles
	Phon Coast
	Decoy Vaan
	Party: Basch
	Hunters Camp
	Buy Bio, Dispel, Death
	Buy Mirror Mail
	Tchita Uplands
	Get Hunt ???
	Party: Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
	Save
Segment 27 - 4:27:00
	Area Sochen Cave Palace
	Battle Mandragoras - Direct cast Fira
	Run
	Party swap
	Equip swap
	Change Gambits
	Battle Ahriman
	Keep Ashe and Penelo in party so they can Die or Reflect can wear off
	Skip at lift
	Skip at Old Archades
	Talk to Vulger after transition
	Save
Segment 28 - 4:41:51
	Make sure Vaan's Decoy wears off and refresh it
	License Bio
	Gambit Bio
	Talk to Jules
	Talk to Beasley
	Talk to Jules
	Archades
	Buy: Aeroga
	Stupid talking quest thing for chops
	1A Gentleman Onlooker
	1B Eager Crier
	2A Senior Researcher
	2B Failed Researcher
	3A Asipring Starlet
	3B Faded Star
	4A Philosiher of Cuisine
	4B Dangerous Chef
	5A Tarot Reader
	5B Happy Novelist
	6A Lucky Man
	6B Romantic Lady
	7A Greenseller
	7B Vegetable Seller
	8A Determined Researcher
	8B Ex Researcher
	9A Athletic Woman
	9B Avid Reader
	Taxi
	Cutscenes
	Ride transport
	Switches and things
	Save 70th floor
Segment 29 - 4:48:26
	Fight Cid - Gun resistance
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
	Balfohem Port
	Buy Carabeener Mail x1, Theif's Cap x1
	Sell items
	Buy X-Potion x30
	Buy Firaga
	Teleport Bur-Omisace
	Save
Segment 30 - 4:52:18
	Equip and gambit
	Chocobo
	Party Balthier, Ashe, Penelo
	Gambits off
	Battle Mode active
	Remove mirror mail from Basch
	Save Before fight
Segment 31 - 4:58:38
	Battle Rafflesia - Weak wind
	Run through woods
	Give Gigas license to someone and summon for the gate
	Save Gate of Earth
Segment 32 - 5:07:49
	Make sure to cast refrlect on Fran and let it wear some before the fight.
	Battle Daedalus  - Use Confuse - Weak holy - Absorb dark
	Run Through Giruvegan
	Save Water-Steps
Segment 33 - 5:15:44
	Battle Tyrant - Use Confuse - Weak ice
	Make sure Ashe and Penelo's Reflect wears off
	Telepont to crystal core
	SW, SE, S, Device, NE, Cancer, SW, SE, SE, Device, NE, S, Pices, N, SW, S, Device, Skip, Forward
	L, L, R, Device, R, B, F, F, Device, RB, R, B, L, L, Device, CS, F, Save
	Save Crystal Core
Segment 34 - 5:27:22
	Make sure to refresh reflect right before the fight
	Battle Shemhazai - Use Immobilize - Random weakness
	Skip, Next, Skip, Skip
	Balfonhem Port
	Meet Reddas
	Skip, Next
	Stral to Rabanastre
	Airship to Nalbina
	Buy Bubble
	Stral to The Ridorana Cataract
	Skip
	License Death through Decoy
	Save Path hidden blessing
Segment 35 - 5:33:45
	Battle Hydro - Run away, Decoy - Weak holy - Absorb dark
	License Cura
	Equip and gamibt Aeroga
	Party Vaan, Ashe, Penelo
	Do two of the dark orbs
	Save The Wellspring
Segment 36 - 6:00:24
	Black Orb
	Battle Pandeaemonium - One Aeroga, One Aero, Dispel at start, Vaan Confuse - Weak wind
	Pharos first ascent
	Battle Slyt - Oil - Weak fire
	Pharos second ascent
	Altar of Knowledge
	Save Reach of the Damned
Segment 37 - 6:11:28
	Battle Fenrir - Sleep - Weak earth
	Black Sigil
	Green Sigil
	Red Sigil
	Purple Sigil
	Fake Wall
	Way Stone
	Battle Hashamel - Weak wind
	Save Empyrean Ravel
Segment 38 - 6:21:12
	Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS) - Fire
	Battle Cid/Famfrit - 
		Before
			Decoy
		Gabranth first form
		Gabranth second form
			Armor
			Decoy
			Bubble
			Armor
		Cid first form
			Dispel
			Oil
		Famfrit
			Armor
			Dispel
			Decoy
			Oil
			Armor
		Cid second form
			Armor
			Party away
			Decoy
	Skip, Skip
	Text
	Skip
	Area Balfonhiem
	Save Aerodome
Segment 39 - 6:22:51
	Config
Segment 40
	Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
	Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS)
	Battle Vayne
	Battle Vayne Novus - defeat before Tree of Sephira
	Battle The Undying
	The End[/hidden]

ais523

2012-10-15 12:53:31 am

Youkai: can I just say, that your run is so awesome I've already watched it twice and will probably watch it again some time? And I don't even own the game (or, generally, like speedruns of Final Fantasy games).

AlecK47

2012-11-04 09:44:02 pm

This question is mainly for Youkai, but if anyone else has experience with Ba'Gamnan grinding, feel free to chime in: is there any particular trick to keep both Vaan and Basch alive consistently that doesn't involve letting one of the three minions die off?

Youkai

2012-11-05 11:51:44 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Primarily you get lucky Aleck. The real danger is Rinook's jump attack that she likes to spam. If she does it at an inopportune time chances are Vaan is either going to be dead or an inch from death. If you are working on a segmented run and Rinook trolls you it's reset time. I'm guessing you are talking more about SS style strategies though.

I'm not sure why Basch is dying off for you I never had a problem with him being targeted that I remember. You do need to be a little careful at the very start. If you have either of your healers throw an item at the beginning they will get aggro and it will take Vaan a couple cycles to get it back. Anyway the best advice I can give is don't be afraid to "waste" cycles healing and charging. At a minimum you have to transition twice after killing the lackeys to reset them correctly but if Vaan has taken a couple jump attacks and is low go ahead and use 3 or 4 transitions to reset. You can have Vaan cast cure on himself once if you need to for the extra healing and get everyone that needs it a charge. If you decide to use extra cycles make sure you issue the commands as soon as you transition and then zone again as soon as the action completes. You have a couple free seconds each time you transition (after the first) where you don't take damage so abuse that if you can. If you try to have people cast cure twice between transitions you will take a bunch of damage and if Rinook decides to jump then you will probably lose ground.

Primarily you get lucky Aleck. The real danger is Rinook's jump attack that she likes to spam. If she does it at an inopportune time chances are Vaan is either going to be dead or an inch from death. If you are working on a segmented run and Rinook trolls you it's reset time. I'm guessing you are talking more about SS style strategies though.

I'm not sure why Basch is dying off for you I never had a problem with him being targeted that I remember. You do need to be a little careful at the very start. If you have either of your healers throw an item at the beginning they will get aggro and it will take Vaan a couple cycles to get it back. Anyway the best advice I can give is don't be afraid to "waste" cycles healing and charging. At a minimum you have to transition twice after killing the lackeys to reset them correctly but if Vaan has taken a couple jump attacks and is low go ahead and use 3 or 4 transitions to reset. You can have Vaan cast cure on himself once if you need to for the extra healing and get everyone that needs it a charge. If you decide to use extra cycles make sure you issue the commands as soon as you transition and then zone again as soon as the action completes. You have a couple free seconds each time you transition (after the first) where you don't take damage so abuse that if you can. If you try to have people cast cure twice between transitions you will take a bunch of damage and if Rinook decides to jump then you will probably lose ground.

AlecK47

2012-11-05 12:56:06 pm

Thanks, I figured that was the case, but was kinda hoping for a silver bullet. Fortunately killing Rinok works very nicely for SS/marathon consistency, so that's something. I've tried some really conservative strats with all of them still alive, and it really didn't help much.

As for Basch getting KOed, I'm not sure either. He wasn't tossing items or anything, so maybe he was just closer to the enemies. Regardless, he did get KOed a few times, although not nearly as much as Vaan.

PeteThePlayer

2013-01-05 06:51:52 am

Is anyone running this Single Segmented? From what I hear, there is no speed difference between PAL and NTSC due to PAL skipping frames to keep up with it. I would be interested in doing this then, since I own the PAL version.

DRsynj

2013-01-05 08:31:11 am

Reverse Death Valley Bomb

Nitrodon is but hasn't been as committed to it recently as he's practicing FFX for Poxnor's FF marathon.

Youkai

2013-01-05 08:35:45 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Yeah Nitro and I think one other guy are working on it for the FF marathon. I don't know of anyone that's working on it for a site submission unless one of the marathon guys decide to submit because they get an awesome practice attempt.

AlecK47

Edit history:

AlecK47: 2013-01-05 11:09:04 pm

2013-01-05 11:08:35 pm

Yeah, I'm the other guy. With the way I'm practicing, a submittable run is unlikely (I do it in bits), but I do intend to do some attempts at a true SS (no resets) after the marathon.

AlecK47

2013-03-09 08:09:04 pm

bump (for Toothache)

hitmanatee

2013-03-09 10:55:45 pm

I'm going to run FF12 international. I just started routing. I need to look at the original ff12 route though. If I could pick your brains that would be great.

AlecK47

2013-03-09 11:01:32 pm

Yeah, go ahead. To start, I highly recommend watching Youkai's run with commentary. It's easily the best starting point for English speakers as of right now.

Melodia

2013-03-09 11:59:16 pm

The International version is different enough though -- especially the HUGE difference with the job system -- that the vanilla run probably wouldn't be too much help.

Nitrodon

2013-03-10 12:06:01 am

FF12 international speedrun route:

Step 1: Get a few Seitengrats.
Step 2: Murder everything.

I don't know if I'm joking or not.

hitmanatee

2013-03-10 08:44:43 am

Yah, all those stupid invisible / RNG chest weapons are really lame and it's disappointing they are still in the game.