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Categories and what they mean:

Quote:

Any %:
completing the game doing as few or as many missions as the player wishes whilst completing the main story.
Timing ends after killing the warrior and using the vault key

100%:
A completion of the game which also completes all optional side quests before fighting the Warrior.
Timing ends upon handing in the final mission [If the last mission you do is killing the warrior timing ends upon using the vault key]

101%:
A completion of the game which also completes all optional side quests before fighting the Warrior and continues to complete the "You will die [seriously]" quest which is only unlocked after defeating the warrior.
Timing ends upon handing in the completed quest to Tannis in Sanctuary.

New Game:
Using a completely new Axton, Maya, Zero or Salvador character (Recording includes selecting "new game" from menu), Played up to Killing the Warrior. [No Badass ranks]

New Game With DLC:
Using a completely new Gaige or Krieg character WITH Gearbox weapons. (Recording includes selecting "new game" from menu), Played up to Killing the Warrior. [No Badass ranks]

New Game +:
Allows the use of "Badass ranks" (as these are gained from other play-throughs) Played from either level 1 up to killing the Warrior.

Double Run:
is a playthrough of the game from level 1 up to killing warrior in TVHM. [No Badass ranks]

UVHM Run:
Using a pre-made character of level 72 in Ultimate Vault hunter mode with a Lascaux (Blue SMG) and a Vladof Rocket Launcher. [No Money Limit] [No Badass ranks]

Character Save Files:

New game with DLC:
Gaige Perfect Sniper
Krieg Perfect Sniper

Thanks to Shiningface for supplying the NG with DLC saves.

UVHM:
Gaige
Axton
Zero
Maya
Salvador
Krieg

Thanks to OmegaDude1983 for supplying the UVHM character saves.

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Simply paste into "My Documents/My Games/Borderlands2/WillowGame/SaveData/[Random numbers] folder and rename it to a number which is not in use.

Example:
If you have save0001 - Save0012 Name the file to "Save0013" The matching "Save0013.sav.bak" will be created upon starting the game.

Records:

Leaderboard for everyones best times

NOTE: All records contained in this list are RTA timed runs with times for each loading screen removed from the final time.

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[A=Axton, M=Maya, S=Salvador, Z=Zer0, G=Gaige, K=Krieg]

New game (Any %):
A: 2:42:53 By TheFunCannon
M: 2:37:58 By TheFunCannon
S: 2:45:45 By TheFunCannon
Z: 2:29:34 By TheFunCannon / Part 2

New game With DLC (Any%):
G: 2:12:52 By TheFunCannon
K: 2:52:34 By TheFunCannon

New game With DLC (101%):
G: 5:52:09 By TheFunCannon

NG Co-op w/DLC:
2P: 1:52:28 By TheFunCannon and Zykoros
4P: 1:54:19 By Abahbob, Blackwayv, ShiningFace and TheFunCannon : ShiningFaces POV / TheFunCannons POV

Double Run:
G: 4:31:51 By TheFunCannon

UVHM72:
A: 1:59:47 By TheFunCannon
M: 1:59:32 By TheFunCannon
S: 2:05:45 By OmegaDude1983
Z: 1:57:32 By TheFunCannon
G: 2:03:45 By TheFunCannon
K: 2:12:13 By TheFunCannon

Note : Runs marked with "0:00:00 By -------" means a run has not been completed for this category.
The highlighted YELLOW Time is the fastest run of all listed

Tricks, Guides and Patcher:

Quote:

Routing: While this changes all the time mainly due to my segmented run requiring more and more Tiny Improvements to save mere seconds, we do have general routing guides in video form created by Professor Broman,
Part One
Part Two
Part Three

Tricks: can generally be found by either going to my Youtube which has most of the skips / glitches OR you can just read through everything in this thread Smiley

or just post your question most of us are perfectly happy to give you the answer.

Patcher:

DrMalcom's V1.8.4 to 1.1.0 Patcher.

Quote from 'drMalcom':

Remove the DLC's you don't need from the DLC folder inside the "data/Bl2_1.8.4_to_1.1.0.xdpatch" directory. I don't know which one is Gaige).

Cbenni's 1.7.0 to 1.6.0 to 1.3.1 to 1.1.0 Patcher: This Patcher will roll your game back to versions 1.7 / 1.6 / 1.3.1 & 1.1.0, should you wish to restore your game to the most recent version you can roll forward using the patcher or let stream update the game itself.
Patcher

VERSION 1.7.0 : If you are rolling back from version 1.7.0 you will need to play the game in offline mode otherwise the game will crash when trying to use more recent files (which are downloaded on start up) on an older game version.

Huge thanks to Cbenni and TheRTB for their previous patchers.

Vault-Hunters:

People who currently or in the past have run the game

Abahbob
Blackwayv
Cbenni (Retired from BL2)
Chfou
ChopperLopie
DonkeyKong
filly_vinyl
HeeroJay
Imysty (Retired from BL2)
Judgy (Retired from BL2)
Mr Derpish
negaphil
OmegaDude
Peach Waldo
Penta
PixelKaye
(Pbra)Ganza
ProfessorBroman (Retired from BL2)
TallKid
TeaWrex (Retired from BL2)
TheFunCannon
ShiningFace
stenkaempen
UberGoos(e) (Retired from BL2)
Vortale (Retired from BL2)
Your_Name_Here (retired from BL2 AFAIK)

If I forgot anyone I Apologize

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[b][color="cyan"][u][size="18"]Categories and what they mean:[/size][/u][/color][/b]
[hidden=Catagories][quote]

[color="cyan"]Any %:[/color] 
completing the game doing as few or as many missions as the player wishes whilst completing the main story.
[color="yellow"]Timing ends after killing the warrior and using the vault key[/color]

[color="cyan"]100%:[/color]
A completion of the game which also completes all optional side quests before fighting the Warrior.
[color="yellow"]Timing ends upon handing in the final mission [If the last mission you do is killing the warrior timing ends upon using the vault key][/color]

[color="cyan"]101%:[/color]
A completion of the game which also completes all optional side quests before fighting the Warrior and continues to complete the "[color="yellow"]You will die [seriously][/color]" quest which is only unlocked after defeating the warrior. 
[color="yellow"]Timing ends upon handing in the completed quest to Tannis in Sanctuary.[/color]

[color="cyan"]New Game:[/color] 
Using a completely new Axton, Maya, Zero or Salvador character (Recording includes selecting "new game" from menu), Played up to Killing the Warrior.[color="red"] [No Badass ranks] [/color]

[color="cyan"]New Game With DLC:[/color] 
Using a completely new Gaige or Krieg character WITH Gearbox weapons. (Recording includes selecting "new game" from menu), Played up to Killing the Warrior. [color="red"][No Badass ranks][/color]

[color="cyan"]New Game +:[/color] 
Allows the use of "Badass ranks" (as these are gained from other play-throughs) Played from either level 1 up to killing the Warrior.

[color="cyan"]Double Run:[/color]
is a playthrough of the game from level 1 up to killing warrior in TVHM. [color="red"][No Badass ranks][/color]

[color="cyan"]UVHM Run:[/color] 
 Using a pre-made character of level 72 in Ultimate Vault hunter mode with a Lascaux (Blue SMG) and a Vladof Rocket Launcher. [color="yellow"][No Money Limit][/color] [color="red"][No Badass ranks][/color][/quote][/hidden]

[color="cyan"][u][b][size="18"]Character Save Files:[/size][/b][/u][/color]
[hidden][size="18"][color="cyan"]New game with DLC:[/color][/size]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/53l42mfitxeys64/Save0004.sav]Gaige Perfect Sniper[/url]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/wh8m7drlpslbkhn/Save9166.sav]Krieg Perfect Sniper[/url]

Thanks to [url=http://www.twitch.tv/Shiningface]Shiningface[/url] for supplying the NG with DLC saves.

[size="18"][color="cyan"]UVHM:[/color][/size]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/3t33tdqlokfb2if/save0001%20%28Gaige%29.sav]Gaige[/url]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/dbjrgmnxrpol2gg/save0002%20%28Axton%29.sav]Axton[/url]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/ert9vf1fqb8uzp1/save0003%20%28Zero%29.sav]Zero[/url]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/madwbvxos7quj1f/save0004%20%28Maya%29.sav]Maya[/url]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/49jurh9le6y4kae/save0005%20%28Salvador%29.sav]Salvador[/url]
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsghwqn9u2fa1ii/save0006%20%28Krieg%29.sav]Krieg[/url]

Thanks to [url=http://www.twitch.tv/OmegaDude1983]OmegaDude1983[/url] for supplying the UVHM character saves.

[hidden=Instructions][quote]Simply paste into "My Documents/My Games/Borderlands2/WillowGame/SaveData/[Random numbers] folder and rename it to a number which is not in use.

Example:
If you have save0001 - Save0012 Name the file to "Save0013" The matching "Save0013.sav.bak" will be created upon starting the game.[/quote][/hidden][/hidden]

[b][color="cyan"][u][size="18"]Records:[/size][/u][/color][/b]

[url=http://www.speedrun.com/bl2][size="18"]Leaderboard[/size][/url] for everyones best times

[hidden=Records]
[color="yellow"][size="18"]NOTE: All records contained in this list are RTA timed runs with times for each loading screen removed from the final time.[/size][/color]
 [quote][A=Axton, M=Maya, S=Salvador, Z=Zer0, G=Gaige, K=Krieg]

[color="cyan"]New game (Any %):[/color]
   A:            2:42:53   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6076058]TheFunCannon[/url]
   M:            2:37:58   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6529918]TheFunCannon[/url]
   S:            2:45:45   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6143330]TheFunCannon[/url]
   Z:            2:29:34   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/4435225]TheFunCannon[/url] / [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/4435231]Part 2[/url]

[color="cyan"]New game With DLC (Any%):[/color]
   G:            2:12:52   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/v/5791567]TheFunCannon[/url]
   K:            2:52:34   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6224197]TheFunCannon[/url]

[color="cyan"]New game With DLC (101%):[/color]
   G:            5:52:09   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/v/4419587]TheFunCannon[/url]

[color="cyan"]NG Co-op w/DLC:[/color]
   2P:          [color="Yellow"]1:52:28[/color]   By    [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/4981079]TheFunCannon and Zykoros[/url]
   4P:          1:54:19   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/abahbob]Abahbob[/url], [url=http://www.twitch.tv/blackwayv]Blackwayv[/url], [url=http://www.twitch.tv/shiningface]ShiningFace[/url] and [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon]TheFunCannon[/url] : [url=http://www.twitch.tv/shiningface/c/6371112]ShiningFaces POV [/url] / [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6342046]TheFunCannons POV[/url]

[color="cyan"]Double Run:[/color]
   G:            4:31:51   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/v/5936504]TheFunCannon[/url]

[color="cyan"]UVHM72:[/color]
   A:         1:59:47   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6262557]TheFunCannon[/url]
   M:         1:59:32   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6254242]TheFunCannon[/url]
   S:         2:05:45   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/omegadude1983/c/4711312]OmegaDude1983[/url]
   Z:         1:57:32   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6006159]TheFunCannon[/url]
   G:         2:03:45   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/v/4673161]TheFunCannon[/url]
   K:         2:12:13   By   [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thefuncannon/c/6417396]TheFunCannon[/url]

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The highlighted [color="yellow"] YELLOW[/color] Time is the fastest run of all listed[/quote][/hidden]

[b][color="cyan"][u][size="18"]Tricks, Guides and Patcher:[/size][/u][/color][/b]

[hidden="Tricks / Guides / Patcher"][quote][color="cyan"]Routing:[/color] While this changes all the time mainly due to my segmented run requiring more and more Tiny Improvements to save mere seconds, we do have general routing guides in video form created by Professor Broman,
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/professorbroman/c/2457401]Part One[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/professorbroman/c/2545148]Part Two[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/professorbroman/c/2590817]Part Three[/url]

[color="cyan"]Tricks:[/color] can generally be found by either going to my [url=http://www.youtube.com/user/judgementTaG/videos]Youtube[/url] which has most of the skips / glitches OR you can just read through everything in this thread :) or just post your question most of us are perfectly happy to give you the answer.

[u][b][color="cyan"]Patcher:[/color][/b][/u]

[color="cyan"][url=https://mega.nz/#!OBtgDBhZ!AGh05UkFglwxjBuSSsBi2jwPVpiJmnrXmeFkkHH5H1U]DrMalcom's V1.8.4 to 1.1.0 Patcher.[/url][/color] 
[quote='drMalcom']Remove the DLC's you don't need from the DLC folder inside the "data/Bl2_1.8.4_to_1.1.0.xdpatch" directory. I don't know which one is Gaige).[/quote]

[color="cyan"] Cbenni's 1.7.0 to 1.6.0 to 1.3.1 to 1.1.0 Patcher:[/color] This Patcher will roll your game back to versions 1.7 / 1.6 / 1.3.1 &  1.1.0, should you wish to restore your game to the most recent version you can roll forward using the patcher or let stream update the game itself.
[url=http://rtb.kassala.de/BL2/Borderlands%202%20patcher.zip]Patcher[/url]

[color="yellow"]VERSION 1.7.0 : If you are rolling back from version 1.7.0 you will need to play the game in offline mode otherwise the game will crash when trying to use more recent files (which are downloaded on start up) on an older game version.[/color]

Huge thanks to [url=http://www.twitch.tv/cbenni]Cbenni[/url] and [url=http://www.twitch.tv/thertb]TheRTB[/url] for their previous patchers.[/quote][/hidden]

[b][color="cyan"][u][size="18"]Vault-Hunters:[/size][/u][/color][/b]

[hidden]People who currently or in the past have run the game

[url=http://www.twitch.tv/abahbob]Abahbob[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/blackwayv]Blackwayv[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/Cbenni]Cbenni[/url] (Retired from BL2)
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/chfou]Chfou[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/chopperlopie]ChopperLopie[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/donkeykong1254]DonkeyKong[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/filly_vinyl]filly_vinyl[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/heerojay]HeeroJay[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/imysty]Imysty[/url] (Retired from BL2)
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/Judgy_]Judgy[/url] (Retired from BL2)
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/mr_derpish]Mr Derpish[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/negaphil]negaphil[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/omegadude1983]OmegaDude[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/peach_waldo]Peach Waldo[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/pentaleks]Penta[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/pixelkaye]PixelKaye[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/pbraganza](Pbra)Ganza[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/professorbroman]ProfessorBroman[/url] (Retired from BL2)
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/tallkid100]TallKid[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/teawrex]TeaWrex[/url] (Retired from BL2)
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/Thefuncannon]TheFunCannon[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/Shiningface]ShiningFace[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/stenkaempen]stenkaempen[/url]
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/ubergoos]UberGoos(e)[/url] (Retired from BL2)
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/vortale]Vortale[/url] (Retired from BL2)
[url=http://www.twitch.tv/your__name__here]Your_Name_Here[/url] (retired from BL2 AFAIK)

If I forgot anyone I Apologize[/hidden]

Fragmaster01

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Fragmaster01: 2013-02-04 09:08:22 pm

2013-02-04 09:07:58 pm

Wiggle wiggle

Quote from ProfessorBroman:

Well enjoy the new way to get the infinite ammo PC folks! I think that put the final nail in the coffin for me for a solo xbox record run. DOSEN'T MEAN I WON'T STOP TRYING! Because as we know if i can beat your time on xbox...then you better step your PC game up. (so without all my messy screw ups that would be about 5:25) Enjoy crushing my dreams PC master race Wink

Also I will be working on some solid buzzard strats for everyone, because sit around and pray inside a tiny hut is not cutting it for me.

Get a car, and go *pewpewpew* at the Buzzard. Jump out when it's about to explode, and run around until the car's health comes back. Repeat.

Alternately, homing Slag grenades.

ProfessorBroman

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ProfessorBroman: 2013-02-06 07:58:16 pm

2013-02-05 07:17:06 pm

Unfortunately there are no cars in Sawtooth Cauldron. Sorry should have been more specific, Manipulation strats for the 5 buzzards you need to kill on the top of the oil platform. And after that explanation I give you new strats.

1. Aggro buzzards on platform
2. Toss turret
3. Jump down to the area filled with threshers
4. Enjoy killing the buzzards easily as they are distracted by the threshers.
5. If any did not follow you, blow up respawn and repeat.

Ill get a highlight ready off a twitch and post it later. Needless to say this much better than the current hide and pray strats.

Edit!: With the discovery of the new glitch set up on Xbox another valid (that is a bit more consistent) is save reloading, you can get from lvl start to oil rig in about 50s and kill 2 buzzards quick as possible. Here's my test stream from the day, First strat is early in the stream, later strat is in the later part of the stream with some theory testing in the middle.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/professorbroman/b/364673967

1. Aggro buzzards on platform
2. Toss turret
3. Jump down to the area filled with threshers
4. Enjoy killing the buzzards easily as they are distracted by the threshers.
5. If any did not follow you, blow up respawn and repeat.

Ill get a highlight ready off a twitch and post it later. Needless to say this much better than the current hide and pray strats.

Edit!: With the discovery of the new glitch set up on Xbox another valid (that is a bit more consistent) is save reloading, you can get from lvl start to oil rig in about 50s and kill 2 buzzards quick as possible. Here's my test stream from the day, First strat is early in the stream, later strat is in the later part of the stream with some theory testing in the middle.

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/professorbroman/b/364673967

Zurreco

2013-02-05 10:32:41 pm

Just call me the cynicism machine

You could also try getting a longbow sticky, especially with corrosive. Those things tend to burn through buzzards if you can land the stick on the pilot.

Judgy

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Judgy: 2013-02-06 12:00:08 pm

2013-02-06 11:20:20 am

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

I felt bad for having a method for Negative ammo on PC, so i worked out a method so you could do it on xbox ProfessorBroman (it involves no dropping of weapons) you just need to be on the "free shot" switch to another weapon, switch back to your launcher WAIT FOR AMMO TO REGISTER! then repeat.

Video

This is actually quicker than the other way i created as your not throwing weapons around the place and having to pick them up again.

Now get back to it (^_^)

ikk

2013-02-08 04:32:12 pm

PSN: MassDamageLT

posting some possible time improvements:

story mission save-quit skip: just after plugging second core (obtained after killing Winhelm). once core is plugged (and objective registered) save-quit. u will be restarted in the centre of town, near Scooter.

in Tundra Express, when going for badonkadonks, route from FT/respawn station. instead of going through main gate, go to the left, around the hill (aka "sir reginald's hill"). result is that in bandits town, bandits wont spawn or spawn later when already leaving this area.

Judgy

2013-02-09 06:43:27 am

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

Quote:

story mission save-quit skip: just after plugging second core (obtained after killing Winhelm). once core is plugged (and objective registered) save-quit. u will be restarted in the centre of town, near Scooter.

Will have to give this a try later.

Right why else am I here!? Ofcourse more stuff I've been testing... this time ... Direct-X 9/10 and PhysX (high/medium/low settings) Note this only applies to PC runners as Xbox360 / Ps3's are Direct-X 9 ONLY

You might be thinking that Direct-X ONLY makes things look nicer, however, this is not the case. Different versions of Direct-X offer different features the main big difference between 9 and 10 as far as borderlands is concerned is the inclusion of "Fabric" physics.

Differences between settings:
PC (DX10) - High: Fabric is effected by wind and destruction physics enabled , Water physics and Particle physics (shooting the ground causes stones to shoot out etc)
PC (DX10) - Medium: Same as High only less calculations per object (E.G shooting the ground throws up less stones so the GPU/CPU does less work)
PS3/ Xbox360/ PC (DX9) - Low: These are basically the same setting across all platforms the Major difference in game play here is that Fabric physics are not calculated While they are still Dynamic (move in the wind etc) their destruction is removed and instead of passing through them, you stand on a "Static Mesh"** version of the prop.

Explaination: This is useful because if you had a Skip comprised of 2 jumps the first was on to a Fabric Platform and then off onto another higher platform You could only Perform this jump playing on either PS3/Xbox or PC with low PhysX. (And yes because it is a platform grenade jumps can be performed on them)

Sadly I now need to go back and try skips again because I was playing with PhysX on "High" first time around ¬_¬

** Static mesh is a physical version of a prop in a game world, unlike dummy models which have no collision properties and you can pass right through, static meshes act as physical objects that players cannot pass into. OoB areas are normally made up of nearly 100% Dummy models so the game doesn't need to process non required information about objects the player shouldn't be able to touch. [I created maps for Rainbow Six 3:Raven Shield long ago, so i know some stuff (^_^) ]

Proof of concept Video ↓

First Test was PC Physx on "High", Second test was PC Physx on "Medium", Last test was PS3/Xbox/ PC PhysX "low"

[quote]story mission save-quit skip: just after plugging second core (obtained after killing Winhelm). once core is plugged (and objective registered) save-quit. u will be restarted in the centre of town, near Scooter.[/quote]

Will have to give this a try later.

Right why else am I here!? Ofcourse more stuff I've been testing... this time ... Direct-X 9/10 and PhysX (high/medium/low settings) Note this only applies to PC runners as Xbox360 / Ps3's are Direct-X 9 ONLY

You might be thinking that Direct-X ONLY makes things look nicer, however, this is not the case. Different versions of Direct-X offer different features the main big difference between 9 and 10 as far as borderlands is concerned is the inclusion of "Fabric" physics.

[color="Orange"]Differences  between settings:[/color]
[color="yellow"]PC (DX10) - High:[/color] Fabric is effected by wind and destruction physics enabled , Water physics and Particle physics (shooting the ground causes stones to shoot out etc)
[color="yellow"]PC (DX10) - Medium:[/color] Same as High only less calculations per object (E.G shooting the ground throws up less stones so the GPU/CPU does less work)
[color="yellow"]PS3/ Xbox360/ PC (DX9) - Low:[/color] These are basically the same setting across all platforms the Major difference in game play here is that Fabric physics are not calculated While they are still Dynamic (move in the wind etc) their destruction is removed and instead of passing through them, you stand on a "Static Mesh"** version of the prop.

[color="Orange"]Explaination:[/color] This is useful because if you had a Skip comprised of 2 jumps the first was on to a Fabric Platform and then off onto another higher platform You could only Perform this jump playing on either PS3/Xbox or PC with low PhysX. (And yes because it is a platform grenade jumps can be performed on them)

Sadly I now need to go back and try skips again because I was playing with PhysX on "High" first time around ¬_¬

** Static mesh is a physical version of a prop in a game world, unlike dummy models which have no collision properties and you can pass right through, static meshes act as physical objects that players cannot pass into. OoB areas are normally made up of nearly 100% Dummy models so the game doesn't need to process non required information about objects the player shouldn't be able to touch.  [I created maps for Rainbow Six 3:Raven Shield long ago, so i know some stuff (^_^) ]

Proof of concept Video ↓ 
[hidden]First Test was PC Physx on "High", Second test was PC Physx on "Medium", Last test was PS3/Xbox/ PC PhysX "low"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxiUt_bKSZc&feature=youtu.be[/hidden]

Chfou

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Chfou: 2013-02-10 03:29:20 pm

Chfou: 2013-02-10 03:29:15 pm

2013-02-10 12:16:57 pm

Get run'd!!

Made a new run today and i completed the game in 5:12:41 with Zero.
I can improve this a bit with less death and less mistakes.

I'll upload the video of my run (i missed some splits). Once i killed the warrior i killed Jack too fast. He was lying on the key, i couldn't finish the last mission T_T. So i waited a moment after killing Jack and i ended my timer.
Also i paused both the game and the timer cause i had to discuss with my roommates.

Judgy

2013-02-10 01:02:34 pm

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

nice work Chfou would love to see what your doing with zero i tend to try and avoid him as he's by far my least favorite class.

Awesome Job thumbsup

Chfou

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Chfou: 2013-02-10 03:41:56 pm

Chfou: 2013-02-10 03:41:31 pm

2013-02-10 03:22:28 pm

Get run'd!!

Unfortunately my internet connexion sucks so you'll have to wait a bit Smiley

Here are the splits for my run (i messed up some splits though ^^'):

Explanation of when i split :

Jakobs > all : After completing the second mission (once i got the shotgun)
BOOM!! : After killing Boom-Bewm
2-hit Flynt? : After kiling Flynt (with the damage output of the sniper riflt i can actually 2-shot Flynt)
Intensive farming : Grinding to ~lvl 8 3/4
Firehawk Assisted : After giving Lilith her 2nd erisium dose
Two and a half men : Bad Maw killed
Kill it fast or get fucked : Roland saved
Cused loot : Whilelm killed
Home Sweet Home : go back to Sanctuary
The fifth Element : Bloodwing gets killed
Goliaths...lol : Give Brick the letter
That's not a bunker : After killing BNK-3R
Dem buzzards : Kill the five buzzards at swtooth Cauldron
Saturn : Saturn killed
End of the beginning : Enter Hero's Pass
Beginning of the end : Exit Hero's Pass
WHY WON'T YOU DIE : Jack nearly dead
Why can't i hold all this loot : Warrior killed
Juck unmasked : Get the last cinematic

Unfortunately my internet connexion sucks so you'll have to wait a bit :)

Here are the splits for my run (i messed up some splits though ^^'):

[hidden][img]http://i.imgur.com/GfGFuY4.png[/img]
Explanation of when i split :

Jakobs > all : After completing the second mission (once i got the shotgun)
BOOM!! : After killing Boom-Bewm
2-hit Flynt? : After kiling Flynt (with the damage output of the sniper riflt i can actually 2-shot Flynt)
Intensive farming : Grinding to ~lvl 8 3/4
Firehawk Assisted : After giving Lilith her 2nd erisium dose
Two and a half men : Bad Maw killed
Kill it fast or get fucked : Roland saved
Cused loot : Whilelm killed
Home Sweet Home : go back to Sanctuary
The fifth Element : Bloodwing  gets killed
Goliaths...lol : Give Brick the letter
That's not a bunker : After killing BNK-3R
Dem buzzards : Kill the five buzzards at swtooth Cauldron
Saturn : Saturn killed
End of the beginning : Enter Hero's Pass
Beginning of the end : Exit Hero's Pass
WHY WON'T YOU DIE : Jack nearly dead
Why can't i hold all this loot : Warrior killed
Juck unmasked : Get the last cinematic
[/hidden]

Judgy

2013-02-11 10:53:54 am

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

Did this the other day, just some glitch testing trying to get infinite ammo onto gunzerkers second weapon then did a sort of "can't be bothered" run afterwards.
The first 12 or so minutes are pretty boring unless you enjoy watching me think about how the game works and ways to trick it, however, at one point i do get quite creative. (I apologize for the swearing it was my brother)

Open to any suggestions for more things I can try, I thought I nearly had it at one point as I was getting negative ammo stacking on the secondary weapon but it didn't work in the end....

[also the running around was seeing how easy it is to run and do the glitch IMO it's fine if you know the time it takes to register or if you know the level well enough to look at the ammo counter and not run into stuff.]

Judgy

2013-02-12 05:13:56 pm

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

Little Practice attempt at Solo Segmented (33 Segs) finished in 4:01:31
...but was a first attempt if I tried for months I'm sure it could easily be reduced to 3:45-ish with correctly proportioned grinding. (no over/under leveling)

***(I apologize I accidentally deleted the Fraps video of the first 5~mins it's really only me discarding Pre-order items, taking off the vault relic [you can only completely remove it by selling it] and turning off my badass ranks)

Segment info in "Hidden"

** Timings are done based on when the section is completed and I have saved + quit back to main menu.

Also segments are generally split up based on either "Location Change" (E.G Sanctuary to Highlands-Outwash) or "End of Grind" (E.G the last time I S+Q before advancing the main quest.)

#1 ( Start To Liarsberg ) 8:18 --- [video starts around 6 mins in During Knuckle Fight]
#2 ( Liarsberg To Lvl 8 ) 28:45 --- [Acquired Grenade Bonus Package]
#3 ( Lvl 8, Flynt Fight, More Farming ) 36:01 --- [I farm BB more so i can just run through Frostburn]
#4 ( To Sancutaury ) 43:34
#5 ( Firehawk Helped + lvl 10 ) 56:36
#6 ( Dust + Badmaw ) 1:04:07
#7 ( Stronghold OoB'd ) 1:08:53
#8 ( Warden Beat Back To Sanctuary ) 1:12:15
#9 ( Sanctuary Stuff Done + Get Splinter Quest ) 1:13:29
#10 ( Splinter Farming Complete ) 1:25:24 --- [I find that farming these now gives me an advantage later]
#11 ( Tundra Complete ) 1:32:32
#12 ( Wilhelm Defeated Core Collected ) 1:34:23
#13 ( Through The Fridge ) 1:39:49
#14 ( Beacon Has Been Got ) 1:43:31
#15 ( Back To Sanctuary ) 1:50:31
#16 ( End Of Henry Quests ) 1:58:08
#17 ( Henry Grind Complete ) 2:01:38 --- [Grinding Henry gets me to a better level for running through W.E.P]
#18 ( W.E.P Complete ) 2:14:47
#19 ( Brick Helped ) 2:24:36
#20 ( Opportunity Complete ) 2:29:30
#21 ( Sanctuary Stuff done + Entered 1000C's ) 2:31:16
#22 ( Reached Bunker ) 2:37:06
#23 ( Bunker Beat + Entered Control Core ) 2:49:04
#24 ( Angel Defeated + Entered Marcus Storeroom ) 2:57:28
#25 ( Iridium Blight Reached ) 3:00:43
#26 ( KingMong Farming Complete [lvl 23] ) 3:25:38
#27 ( One last King + Reached Sawtooth ) 3:28:41 --- [Acquired lvl 24 Badaboom ]
#28 ( Sawtooth Complete ) 3:35:28
#29 ( Arid Nexus Pipeline Complete ) 3:41:04
#30 ( Info Stockade Complete + Iridium Blight Reached ) 3:48:03
#31 ( Hero's Pass Reached ) 3:50:18
#32 ( Warroirs Lair Reached ) 3:53:33
#33 ( Game Complete ) 4:01:31

Notes:
I could probably do it quicker however long grinding sections such as Boom-bewm, splinters, and king mong are each one long segment.
Time could be saved by creating a save after each encounter and using only those where kingmong appeared, however, that seemed a bit ... much.... for a practice run...

looking at it theres a 1:47:00 run of Unreal 2 that has 40 segments so maybe I should be using more lol

Little Practice attempt at Solo Segmented (33 Segs) finished in     [size="17"][color="yellow"]4:01:31[/color][/size]
...but was a first attempt if I tried for months I'm sure it could easily be reduced to 3:45-ish with correctly proportioned grinding. (no over/under leveling)

***(I apologize I accidentally deleted the Fraps video of the first 5~mins it's really only me discarding Pre-order items, taking off the vault relic [you can only completely remove it by selling it] and turning off my badass ranks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCPTpLCbQi0&feature=youtu.be

Segment info in "Hidden"
[hidden]** Timings are done  based on [b][u]when the section is completed[/u][/b] and I have [b][u]saved + quit back to main menu[/u][/b].

Also segments are generally split up based on either "Location Change" (E.G Sanctuary to Highlands-Outwash) or "End of Grind" (E.G the last time I S+Q before advancing the main quest.)

#1 (  Start To Liarsberg  ) [color="yellow"]8:18[/color] --- [video starts around 6 mins in During Knuckle Fight]
#2 (  Liarsberg To Lvl 8  )[color="yellow"] 28:45[/color] --- [Acquired Grenade [color="orange"]Bonus Package[/color]]
#3 (  Lvl 8, Flynt Fight, More Farming  ) [color="yellow"]36:01[/color] --- [I farm BB more so i can just run through Frostburn]
#4 (  To Sancutaury  ) [color="yellow"]43:34[/color]
#5 (  Firehawk Helped + lvl 10  ) [color="yellow"]56:36[/color]
#6 (  Dust + Badmaw  ) [color="yellow"]1:04:07[/color]
#7 (  Stronghold OoB'd  ) [color="yellow"]1:08:53[/color]
#8 (  Warden Beat Back To Sanctuary  ) [color="yellow"]1:12:15[/color]
#9 (  Sanctuary Stuff Done + Get Splinter Quest  ) [color="yellow"]1:13:29[/color]
#10 (  Splinter Farming Complete  ) [color="yellow"]1:25:24[/color] --- [I find that farming these now gives me an advantage later]  
#11 (  Tundra Complete  ) [color="yellow"]1:32:32[/color]
#12 (  Wilhelm Defeated Core Collected  ) [color="yellow"]1:34:23[/color]
#13 (  Through The Fridge  ) [color="yellow"]1:39:49[/color]
#14 (  Beacon Has Been Got  ) [color="yellow"]1:43:31[/color] 
#15 (  Back To Sanctuary  ) [color="yellow"]1:50:31[/color] 
#16 (  End Of Henry Quests ) [color="yellow"]1:58:08[/color]
#17 (  Henry Grind Complete  ) [color="yellow"]2:01:38[/color] --- [Grinding Henry gets me to a better level for running through W.E.P] 
#18 (  W.E.P Complete  ) [color="yellow"]2:14:47[/color] 
#19 (  Brick Helped  ) [color="yellow"]2:24:36[/color] 
#20 (  Opportunity Complete  ) [color="yellow"]2:29:30[/color]
#21 (  Sanctuary Stuff done + Entered 1000C's  ) [color="yellow"]2:31:16[/color]
#22 (  Reached Bunker  ) [color="yellow"]2:37:06[/color]
#23 (  Bunker Beat + Entered Control Core  ) [color="yellow"]2:49:04[/color]
#24 (  Angel Defeated + Entered Marcus Storeroom  ) [color="yellow"]2:57:28[/color]
#25 (  Iridium Blight Reached  ) [color="yellow"]3:00:43[/color]
#26 (  KingMong Farming Complete [lvl 23]  ) [color="yellow"]3:25:38[/color]
#27 (  One last King + Reached Sawtooth  ) [color="yellow"]3:28:41[/color] --- [Acquired [color="orange"]lvl 24 Badaboom[/color] ] 
#28 (  Sawtooth Complete  ) [color="yellow"]3:35:28[/color]
#29 (  Arid Nexus Pipeline Complete  ) [color="yellow"]3:41:04[/color] 
#30 (  Info Stockade Complete + Iridium Blight Reached  ) [color="yellow"]3:48:03[/color]
#31 (  Hero's Pass Reached  ) [color="yellow"]3:50:18[/color]
#32 (  Warroirs Lair Reached  ) [color="yellow"]3:53:33[/color]
#33 (  Game Complete  ) [size="17"]4:01:31[/size] [/hidden]

Notes:
I could probably do it quicker however long grinding sections such as Boom-bewm, splinters, and king mong are each one long segment. 
Time could be saved by creating a save after each encounter and using only those where kingmong appeared, however, that seemed a bit ... much.... for a practice run...

looking at it theres a 1:47:00 run of Unreal 2 that has 40 segments so maybe I should be using more lol

ProfessorBroman

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ProfessorBroman: 2013-02-12 06:14:56 pm

2013-02-12 06:01:09 pm

Judgy! Your segmented run is awesome! Great to see that segmented you can get the game down to sub 4 hour possibility range. Liked the way you changed the farming on Boom. I've considered that but now I'm pretty sure i'ma do that because it will make Flint easier and of course MORE ANARCHY! I'm loving the run!

Skipping around the run (obviously) LOL TROLL KEY

usernameguy

2013-02-13 08:42:14 pm

Nice, Judgy - nice. Some notes as I watch the run:
- Wow, the Bonus Package/leveling thing works great. BP pretty much flattens anything in Southern Shelf, and Boom Bewm give a ton of XP. (Maybe leave your turret firing at some of the bandits on the way?)
- Didja know there's a portable toilet "up the hill" from the Hyperion robot you pull a part from in Three Horns?
- Nice suicide method getting the power cord in Three Horns
- You could maybe luck-manipulate $4 Eridium in the first Sanctuary segments, from those lockers while you're waiting for Scooter. Doesn't seem like you'd use it much, though.
- Nice manipulation of an initial launchers, and launchers in general (in a "real" run you might wait for a green one at first)
- A save-and-quit right after getting the pizza from Moxxi's for Splinter Group might be faster.
- Maybe picking up "history of Crimson Raiders" or "This Just In" audio will cancel the quest audio in the Sanctuary liftoff sequence.
- Is the drive to the Fridge faster from the Dust? It's close.
- Man, Bullet Storm + the ammo glitch makes a joke out of a lot of bosses.
- Interesting idea, grinding Henry! I like it. This is right when being under-level really starts to catch up (WEP/Opportunity especially).
- Interesting suicide in Opportunity - seems like it saves a little time, but it mainly simplifies the routing.
- Is there a set pattern to the Auto Cannon spawns in the Bunker? Or can we "force" a pattern we like?
- The length of the Bnk3r fight using under-level Axton makes me wonder if it's worth manipulating a better weapon just for it. Either a blue launcher or something with an obscene fire rate. Maybe something also with good crit. Bnk3r is pretty easy to hit on its crit, especially when it stands still.
- lulz, picking up the Badaboom's tough when there are bullymongs right there.
- Obviously, in a real run, you'd trigger the "Find Sawtooth Cauldron" objective on a King Mong run, not right before Sawtooth. (Or at least, on this style run. On a balls-out run, like you said, you'd reset whenever King Mong wasn't at the first spawn point.)

General comments:
- I sense that you could drop your turret more. You tend to hold it in reserve when it could be earning XP for ya.
- Yeah, don't sweat the number of segments; I've seen 150 segment runs. Every new map could be a segment. The only limit is a 0.5 sec penalty per segment (IIRC) which is trivial on a run like this.
- Good job in general on the point-to-point routing (eg: Frostburn, Tundra, Opportunity, Sawtooth, Hero's Pass). Nice grenade jumps you added.
- BTW Bnk3r is one spot Zero can save about 8 minutes, because of the B0re glitch - http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=171614

Nice, Judgy - nice. Some notes as I watch the run:
 - Wow, the Bonus Package/leveling thing works great. BP pretty much flattens anything in Southern Shelf, and Boom Bewm give a ton of XP. (Maybe leave your turret firing at some of the bandits on the way?)
- Didja know there's a portable toilet "up the hill" from the Hyperion robot you pull a part from in Three Horns?
- Nice suicide method getting the power cord in Three Horns
- You could maybe luck-manipulate $4 Eridium in the first Sanctuary segments, from those lockers while you're waiting for Scooter. Doesn't seem like you'd use it much, though.
- Nice manipulation of an initial launchers, and launchers in general (in a "real" run you might wait for a green one at first)
- A save-and-quit right after getting the pizza from Moxxi's for Splinter Group might be faster.
- Maybe picking up "history of Crimson Raiders" or "This Just In" audio will cancel the quest audio in the Sanctuary liftoff sequence.
- Is the drive to the Fridge faster from the Dust? It's close.
- Man, Bullet Storm + the ammo glitch makes a joke out of a lot of bosses.
- Interesting idea, grinding Henry! I like it. This is right when being under-level really starts to catch up (WEP/Opportunity especially).
- Interesting suicide in Opportunity - seems like it saves a little time, but it mainly simplifies the routing.
- Is there a set pattern to the Auto Cannon spawns in the Bunker? Or can we "force" a pattern we like?
- The length of the Bnk3r fight using under-level Axton makes me wonder if it's worth manipulating a better weapon just for it. Either a blue launcher or something with an obscene fire rate. Maybe something also with good crit. Bnk3r is pretty easy to hit on its crit, especially when it stands still.
- lulz, picking up the Badaboom's tough when there are bullymongs right there.
- Obviously, in a real run, you'd trigger the "Find Sawtooth Cauldron" objective on a King Mong run, not right before Sawtooth. (Or at least, on this style run. On a balls-out run, like you said, you'd reset whenever King Mong wasn't at the first spawn point.)

General comments:
- I sense that you could drop your turret more. You tend to hold it in reserve when it could be earning XP for ya.
- Yeah, don't sweat the number of segments; I've seen 150 segment runs. Every new map could be a segment. The only limit is a 0.5 sec penalty per segment (IIRC) which is trivial on a run like this.
- Good job in general on the point-to-point routing (eg: Frostburn, Tundra, Opportunity, Sawtooth, Hero's Pass). Nice grenade jumps you added.
- BTW Bnk3r is one spot Zero can save about 8 minutes, because of the B0re glitch - http://forums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthread.php?t=171614

Fragmaster01

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2013-02-13 09:08:09 pm

Wiggle wiggle

Quote from Judgy:

Would it not be faster to clear out your saves(copying them elsewhere for backup, obviously), and starting from 0 badass ranks without turning them off?

You can swap items in faster by using Enter and the arrow keys, rather than moving the mouse everywhere.
When you come back to Sanctuary after saving Roland, you end up going inside Moxxi's cafe. A segment here to manipulate Eridium from the slot machines for more grenades might be worth it(or just for a sweet Launcher).
When getting the Red Chest by Flinter in the Bloodshot Dam, you can open the portapotty chest while waiting for the red one to open, saving a few seconds each run.
The rat squad in Bloodshot Dam can be farmed up to 15 before their XP rate starts to go down. It's still a really fast method of leveling, given that they give 9000 XP alone, plus whatever you get from the rats at the entrance.
Sell your stuff more often. You spend a lot of time running around with a full inventory. It's faster to grab what you can, and check whether you got anything good between segments, rather than looking on the fly.
Drop a grenade on him when farming Henry.
You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?

[quote="Judgy"]***(I apologize I accidentally deleted the Fraps video of the first 5~mins it's really only me discarding Pre-order items, taking off the vault relic [you can only completely remove it by selling it] and [b]turning off my badass ranks)[/b][/quote]
Would it not be faster to clear out your saves(copying them elsewhere for backup, obviously), and starting from 0 badass ranks without turning them off?

You can swap items in faster by using Enter and the arrow keys, rather than moving the mouse everywhere.
When you come back to Sanctuary after saving Roland, you end up going inside Moxxi's cafe. A segment here to manipulate Eridium from the slot machines for more grenades might be worth it(or just for a sweet Launcher).
When getting the Red Chest by Flinter in the Bloodshot Dam, you can open the portapotty chest while waiting for the red one to open, saving a few seconds each run.
The rat squad in Bloodshot Dam can be farmed up to 15 before their XP rate starts to go down. It's still a really fast method of leveling, given that they give 9000 XP alone, plus whatever you get from the rats at the entrance.
Sell your stuff more often. You spend a lot of time running around with a full inventory. It's faster to grab what you can, and check whether you got anything good between segments, rather than looking on the fly.
Drop a grenade on him when farming Henry.
You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?

Chfou

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2013-02-14 05:39:42 am

Get run'd!!

Judgy : Awesome work you did there! Glad to see the game can be runned this fast.

usernameguy : I'll try the B0re glitch. It can be interesting to put a point into this if it can make the fight much faster.
Edit : Just tested the glitch with my lvl 50, i 1shotted him. i'll test it in a run (because i used a purple sniper rifle for the test).

I'm also planning a route for a single segmented run and i need to know if there is another method to change the weapons sold by the vending machine without exiting the game.

Fragmaster01

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2013-02-14 02:00:33 pm

Wiggle wiggle

I know there's a Class Mod type for Axton that gives bonuses to Impact(increased Gun Damage) and Steady(increased Rocket Damage). Perhaps manipulate one after Control Core Angel, where you have the 4 chests in Marcus' basement?
The quest in Sanctuary after CCA that gets you the Order shield can be finished basically as soon as you start it, by popping the right guy in the head. Quick XP, and a good level shield.
You keep using the mouse for things that have hotkeys. Arrow key through the car menu, use Q to drop items from your inventory, and so forth.

usernameguy

2013-02-14 03:27:45 pm

Chfou - it can be a little tricky to get the glitch to trigger. Definitely practice it, by re-playing Thousand Cuts, forcing your way up to the Bunker, and save-and-quitting after each kill.

There's a sweet spot underneath Bnk3r's turrets. I tend to aim at Bnk3r's outer rim edge, underneath a turret, just a little off-center of the turret, to the outside. It really helps when Bnk3r is not swaying. An accurate shotgun, SMG, or pistol also helps (sniper iff he's not swaying). B0re is required IIRC. Side note: a Conference Call just completely destroys Bnk3r with B0re - fire and forget.

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2013-02-14 03:35:36 pm

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

first of all I'd just like to say I love how helpful everyone's being having watched it back myself i did spot some things however, nothing close to the amount found by you lot Smiley

I'll now answer some of the stuff asked and comment upon ideas given. [If Points were not picked out specifically I Either agree with them or will test them out later]

Quote from usernameguy:

- Didja know there's a portable toilet "up the hill" from the Hyperion robot you pull a part from in Three Horns?

A: Yes I am aware of this Toi-loot however IIRC the loot contained within is generally lvl 10 or 11 at which point im basically Launcher Spamming and In all my attempts I have never found a Launcher within it ... sometimes a nice shield but generally I'm not sure if its worth it.

Quote from usernameguy:

- Is the drive to the Fridge faster from the Dust? It's close.

A: I believe the difference is near to insubstantial it can be hard to tell while testing due to Mob spawns etc based on both having "Perfect" runs I would say that yes from the dust is slightly closer.

Quote from usernameguy:

- Is there a set pattern to the Auto Cannon spawns in the Bunker? Or can we "force" a pattern we like?

A: No there is not a set pattern as I have had the "Hanging" turret spawn as the 3rd turret the 6th turret and the 7th turret could be possible that there are patterns but seems RNG to me.

Quote from usernameguy:

- The length of the Bnk3r fight using under-level Axton makes me wonder if it's worth manipulating a better weapon just for it. Either a blue launcher or something with an obscene fire rate. Maybe something also with good crit. Bnk3r is pretty easy to hit on its crit, especially when it stands still.

A: Yes Definitely on a serious run I would advise grinding out to get a Nice RL or Sniper, with more time working on it I would have done this, however, this "run" was done over 2 days taking about 13-15 hours total time. with proper resource management to have more money (E.G selling more often and getting less "full" messages) I'm pretty sure sanctuary vendor farming could get a nice one [I say sanctuary as the vendors scale weapons to either your level or +2 lvls when loading from a Save + Quit.

[quote="usernameguy"]- I sense that you could drop your turret more. You tend to hold it in reserve when it could be earning XP for ya.[/quote]
A: yes I feel I should be using it more, however there are some points where i don't really need to use it and I do lol such as farming Boom-Bewm when i have the Bonus Package, seems i need to stop some habits and learn new ones.

Quote from Fragmaster01:

Would it not be faster to clear out your saves(copying them elsewhere for backup, obviously), and starting from 0 badass ranks without turning them off?

A: yes for a real run i might consider removing all characters, saves + badass ranks however I believe to be Proved as a NG run you would atleast need to show your Badass rank page to show you have none / that they are turned off at which point you could just press "q" to turn them off anyway.

Quote from Fragmaster01:

You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?

A: At that point in the game i had a Class mod equiped with + 3 "metal Storm " Giving me 8/5 on MS which gave me Fire rate +96% and Recoil reduction + 120% which to me is much , much more beneficial.

Quote from Fragmaster01:

A: all items within that room are lvl 24 / 25 making them only good for very late game (heros pass / Warrior) and if i have one with the same effect but lower level theres no point [Additional: I'm not entirely sure but Gun damage and Rocket damage do not combine and as I would always be using the Badaboom for the last portion of the game I'd only get the + rocket Damage (I might be wrong and do correct me if I am) making it pointless trying to grind out a Gun damage and Rocket Damage Mod. (My ideal Mod would be a "Metal Storm" and "Steady" Mod but I don't think I have ever seen one.

As for me using my mouse for menus like i said this was a practice run only i wasn't really trying to optimize every menu i came in contact with and should i attempt a Run I wish to submit I will use keyboard only

first of all I'd just like to say I love how helpful everyone's being having watched it back myself i did spot some things however, nothing close to the amount found by you lot :)

I'll now answer some of the stuff asked and comment upon ideas given. [If Points were not picked out specifically I Either agree with them or will test them out later]

[quote="usernameguy"]- Didja know there's a portable toilet "up the hill" from the Hyperion robot you pull a part from in Three Horns?[/quote]
A: Yes I am aware of this Toi-loot however IIRC the loot contained within is generally lvl 10 or 11 at which point im basically Launcher Spamming and In all my attempts I have never found a Launcher within it ... sometimes a nice shield but generally I'm not sure if its worth it.

[quote="usernameguy"]- Is the drive to the Fridge faster from the Dust? It's close.[/quote]
A: I believe the difference is near to insubstantial it can be hard to tell while testing due to Mob spawns etc based on both having "Perfect" runs I would say that yes from the dust is slightly closer.

[quote="usernameguy"]- Is there a set pattern to the Auto Cannon spawns in the Bunker? Or can we "force" a pattern we like?[/quote]
A: No there is not a set pattern as I have had the "Hanging" turret spawn as the 3rd turret the 6th turret and the 7th turret could be possible that there are patterns but seems RNG to me.

[quote="usernameguy"]- The length of the Bnk3r fight using under-level Axton makes me wonder if it's worth manipulating a better weapon just for it. Either a blue launcher or something with an obscene fire rate. Maybe something also with good crit. Bnk3r is pretty easy to hit on its crit, especially when it stands still. [/quote]
A: Yes Definitely on a serious run I would advise grinding out to get a Nice RL or Sniper, with more time working on it I would have done this, however, this "run" was done over 2 days taking about 13-15 hours total time. with proper resource management to have more money (E.G selling more often and getting less "full" messages) I'm pretty sure sanctuary vendor farming could get a nice one [I say sanctuary as the vendors scale weapons to either your level or +2 lvls when loading from a Save + Quit.

[quote="usernameguy"]- I sense that you could drop your turret more. You tend to hold it in reserve when it could be earning XP for ya.[/quote]
A: yes I feel I should be using it more, however there are some points where i don't really need to use it and I do lol such as farming Boom-Bewm when i have the Bonus Package, seems i need to stop some habits and learn new ones.

[quote="Fragmaster01"] Would it not be faster to clear out your saves(copying them elsewhere for backup, obviously), and starting from 0 badass ranks without turning them off?[/quote]
A: yes for a real run i might consider removing all characters, saves + badass ranks however I believe to be Proved as a NG run you would atleast need to show your Badass rank page to show you have none / that they are turned off at which point you could just press "q" to turn them off anyway.

[quote="Fragmaster01"] You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?[/quote]
A: At that point in the game i had a Class mod equiped with + 3 "metal Storm " Giving me 8/5 on MS which gave me Fire rate +96% and Recoil reduction + 120% which to me is much , much more beneficial.

[quote="Fragmaster01"]I know there's a Class Mod type for Axton that gives bonuses to Impact(increased Gun Damage) and Steady(increased Rocket Damage). Perhaps manipulate one after Control Core Angel, where you have the 4 chests in Marcus' basement?[/quote]
A: all items within that room are lvl 24 / 25 making them only good for very late game (heros pass / Warrior) and if i have one with the same effect but lower level theres no point [Additional: I'm not entirely sure but Gun damage and Rocket damage do not combine and as I would always be using the Badaboom for the last portion of the game I'd only get the + rocket Damage (I might be wrong and do correct me if I am) making it pointless trying to grind out a Gun damage and Rocket Damage Mod. (My ideal Mod would be a "Metal Storm" and "Steady" Mod but I don't think I have ever seen one.

As for me using my mouse for menus like i said this was a practice run only i wasn't really trying to optimize every menu i came in contact with and should i attempt a Run I wish to submit I will use keyboard only

Fragmaster01

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Wiggle wiggle

Quote from Judgy:

Quote from Fragmaster01:

Would it not be faster to clear out your saves(copying them elsewhere for backup, obviously), and starting from 0 badass ranks without turning them off?

Yeah, but if you start from a fresh save, rather than just turning them off, you can spend the Badass Ranks you get during the run.

Quote from Judgy:

Quote from Fragmaster01:

You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?

A: At that point in the game i had a Class mod equiped with + 3 "metal Storm " Giving me 8/5 on MS which gave me Fire rate +96% and Recoil reduction + 120% which to me is much , much more beneficial.

Relics and Class Mods are different things, and take up different equipment slots. You can have a relic and a class mod on at the same time. Obviously, a +Rocket Launcher relic would be better, but if you have the empty slot, no reason not to use a Health relic of that power.

Quote from Judgy:

Quote from Fragmaster01:

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Class_Mod
Metal Storm and Steady would be on a Blue Gunner mod(which gives +Fire Rate as its base stat). It's basically the Best mod to get on him, because of that base stat. Impact/Steady is on a Grenadier mod, which isn't quite as useful.
No verification on this, but I'm pretty sure Gun Damage is all guns, RL included. Otherwise, there would be a Rocket Damage mod in the Badass Ranks.

[quote="Judgy"][quote="Fragmaster01"] Would it not be faster to clear out your saves(copying them elsewhere for backup, obviously), and starting from 0 badass ranks without turning them off?[/quote]
A: yes for a real run i might consider removing all characters, saves + badass ranks however I believe to be Proved as a NG run you would atleast need to show your Badass rank page to show you have none / that they are turned off at which point you could just press "q" to turn them off anyway.   [/quote]
Yeah, but if you start from a fresh save, rather than just turning them off, you can spend the Badass Ranks you get during the run.

[quote="Judgy"][quote="Fragmaster01"] You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?[/quote]
A: At that point in the game i had a Class mod equiped with + 3 "metal Storm " Giving me 8/5 on MS which gave me Fire rate +96% and Recoil reduction + 120% which to me is much , much more beneficial.[/quote]
Relics and Class Mods are different things, and take up different equipment slots. You can have a relic and a class mod on at the same time. Obviously, a +Rocket Launcher relic would be better, but if you have the empty slot, no reason not to use a Health relic of that power.

[quote="Judgy"][quote="Fragmaster01"]I know there's a Class Mod type for Axton that gives bonuses to Impact(increased Gun Damage) and Steady(increased Rocket Damage). Perhaps manipulate one after Control Core Angel, where you have the 4 chests in Marcus' basement?[/quote]
A: all items within that room are lvl 24 / 25 making them only good for very late game (heros pass / Warrior) and if i have one with the same effect but lower level theres no point [Additional: I'm not entirely sure but Gun damage and Rocket damage do not combine and as I would always be using the Badaboom for the last portion of the game I'd only get the + rocket Damage (I might be wrong and do correct me if I am) making it pointless trying to grind out a Gun damage and Rocket Damage Mod. (My ideal Mod would be a "Metal Storm" and "Steady" Mod but I don't think I have ever seen one. [/quote]
http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Class_Mod
Metal Storm and Steady would be on a Blue Gunner mod(which gives +Fire Rate as its base stat). It's basically the Best mod to get on him, because of that base stat. Impact/Steady is on a Grenadier mod, which isn't quite as useful.
No verification on this, but I'm pretty sure Gun Damage is all guns, RL included. Otherwise, there would be a Rocket Damage mod in the Badass Ranks.

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2013-02-14 10:33:41 pm

Nice to see all the Segmented run conversation on here but I though I'd share this from the SS side of things

Today I was practicing a full run with the mecromancer...felt good...felt fast but hey no need to record...then got a legendary RL at 19 nbd i'll probably screw this up...then legendary shield at 23...whatever nbd just practice finish game killed warrior NBD felt quick I'm sure its not that fast though then this....

I GIVE UP ON THE EMBED

I finished in under 4:40 in game time....never been so upset to not record practice...never again will I practice without recording....Saturday should be fun though now I know i can get a sub 5!

I'll be using the same route Saturday on my stream so feel free to stop by!

Edit: Some notes, in this run I made S&Q errors that cost 5 minutes a piece. It is a NG w/ DLC run did I use Mecromancer. Jack killed me more than usual, the Beacon Thresher killed me twice, and I died during the warrior fight. I might also make the suggestion that grinding all the way through the Creature Slaughter House is actually smarter than grinding King Mong: it's always there, TONS of loot, high chance for rares due to gigantic volume of Badasses, final quest yields a 23 RL that is great for killing the Warrior. So I submit for everyone's consideration, please think about doing your run w/DLC once or twice it might make things awesome for you too Grin

Nice to see all the Segmented run conversation on here but I though I'd share this from the SS side of things

Today I was practicing a full run with the mecromancer...felt good...felt fast but hey no need to record...then got a legendary RL at 19 nbd i'll probably screw this up...then legendary shield at 23...whatever nbd just practice finish game killed warrior NBD felt quick I'm sure its not that fast though then this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTQPjVDJVlw

I GIVE UP ON THE EMBED

I finished in under 4:40 in game time....never been so upset to not record practice...never again will I practice without recording....Saturday should be fun though now I know i can get a sub 5!

I'll be using the same route Saturday on my stream so feel free to stop by!

Edit: Some notes, in this run I made S&Q errors that cost 5 minutes a piece.  It is a NG w/ DLC run did I use Mecromancer. Jack killed me more than usual, the Beacon Thresher killed me twice, and I died during the warrior fight. I might also make the suggestion that grinding all the way through the Creature Slaughter House is actually smarter than grinding King Mong: it's always there, TONS of loot, high chance for rares due to gigantic volume of Badasses, final quest yields a 23 RL that is great for killing the Warrior. So I submit for everyone's consideration, please think about doing your run w/DLC once or twice it might make things awesome for you too ;D

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2013-02-14 11:30:56 pm

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

Quote from ProfessorBroman:

I finished in under 4:40 in game time....never been so upset to not record practice...never again will I practice without recording....Saturday should be fun though now I know i can get a sub 5!

Nice work Professor nice to see a SS run get sub 5 by more than 4 seconds lol

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Quote from Fragmaster01:

You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?

A: At that point in the game i had a Class mod equiped with + 3 "metal Storm " Giving me 8/5 on MS which gave me Fire rate +96% and Recoil reduction + 120% which to me is much , much more beneficial.

oh yeah lol didn't notice it was a relic Tongue

I do apologize I've been doing 11 1/2 hour shifts everyday at work for the past week, so I'm pretty tired when I get the time to read this stuff... yeah brain fart on my part during the run good thing it was only a practice

also yes thats true a "Clean" New Game run would allow the use of Badass ranks during the run, and thanks for searching up that particular class mod now I know it exists I'll be more encourged to farm it.

[quote="ProfessorBroman"]I finished in under 4:40 in game time....never been so upset to not record practice...never again will I practice without recording....Saturday should be fun though now I know i can get a sub 5![/quote]
Nice work Professor nice to see a SS run get sub 5 by more than 4 seconds lol

[quote="Fragmaster01"][quote="Judgy"][quote="Fragmaster01"] You sold a +25% health relic after farming Henry. Any reason you didn't use it?[/quote]
A: At that point in the game i had a Class mod equiped with + 3 "metal Storm " Giving me 8/5 on MS which gave me Fire rate +96% and Recoil reduction + 120% which to me is much , much more beneficial.[/quote]
Relics and Class Mods are different things, and take up different equipment slots. You can have a relic and a class mod on at the same time. Obviously, a +Rocket Launcher relic would be better, but if you have the empty slot, no reason not to use a Health relic of that power.[/quote]

oh yeah lol didn't notice it was a relic :P I do apologize I've been doing 11 1/2 hour shifts everyday at work for the past week, so I'm pretty tired when I get the time to read this stuff... yeah brain fart on my part during the run good thing it was only a practice

also yes thats true a "Clean" New Game run would allow the use of Badass ranks during the run, and thanks for searching up that particular class mod now I know it exists I'll be more encourged to farm it.

Chfou

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2013-02-18 08:24:39 am

Get run'd!!

Tried another route for a single segmented run (no save and quit).

I finished the game in 4:45:20 in-game time and in 5:02:56 real time.
Still need improvment but it's a beginning if you want to not save at all. I only changed the route until I hit 10.

I was really luck to get a Vladof RL once I came back to Sanctuary.
I also got two legendary grenade mods but honestly that changed nothing because I did the route I planned.

I need to plan a backup route if I can't get a RL before entering Bloodshot Stronghold.

ProfessorBroman

2013-02-19 08:57:07 am

Got an official sub 5 time yesterday on stream! Feel free to watch it if you have some time and make some suggestions!

http://www.twitch.tv/professorbroman/b/368913840

AND HUGE THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME! SDA was representing big time THANKS GUYS!

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2013-02-19 09:49:52 am

Gratz, Prof, on your new 4:45 (wall-clock)/4:29 (game-time) single-segment. Some slick stuff in there. Very nice Buzzards, and Opportunity, Thousand Cuts, Sawtooth, Hero's Pass, and Jack all went well. The two Warrior deaths hurt me a little, inside, and you, obviously. But I think tonight showed a 4:30 is pretty possible, maybe even 4:25 if you kill the Pyre Thresher in Creature Slaughter. Also, a nice crowd!

- Is Deathtrap aggroing the Rakks at the Warrior? Or is it just attacking ones you hit? If it is aggroing rakks, maybe it's not worth the extra DPS. If it's you, keep your shots low?
- You were level 22 at the Warrior. Should you be 23, or maybe 24? That damage penalty you get from being under level that Chfou mentioned is really hurting at 32 Warrior.
- I wonder how fast King Mong levels you vs. Creature Slaughter, exactly. It might be interesting to add a "Creature Slaughter Start" timer, and judge the xp/minute on that and King Mong, or like, experiment with Fink's, or grinding Henry.
- Maybe do a Highlands quest before WEP? Just so you're higher level for the Pyre Thresher.
- A backup plan to the Creature Slaughter reward might be in order. Maybe something as stupid as grinding the Opportunity gun store for a 22/23 RL.
- Man, it must take something like 100 or so RL shots to bring down the Warrior at this level. Really puts a premium on fire rate on those high-level RLs.
- So yeah, jokes aside, I think you could potentially use the Law. But it'd have to be exactly the right level. And it's basically one-time use - if it gets off-level, it's useless pretty much, your RL will beat it. Probably the Thousand Cuts turrets is the best use. It could potentially be useful for Bnk3r, the Buzzards, and the Warrior, but only at the exact right level.
- And yeah, my thinking on Order is just, it's a blue shield that's quick and easy to get, that's all. Start quest, shoot guy, turn in quest. It might even be worth just the XP. Order will probably will beat whatever other shield you might have for a level or two, assuming it levels to you like that. Might help in Sawtooth, or around then.

EDIT: Oh, right - both Law and Order level with Sanctuary, not you. And IIRC Sanctuary kinda leaps a couple of levels every other mission quest. So whenever the stores are the right level, you can pick them up at a more-or-less intended level. Shoot, this limits the usefulness of Law.

- Is Deathtrap aggroing the Rakks at the Warrior? Or is it just attacking ones you hit? If it is aggroing rakks, maybe it's not worth the extra DPS. If it's you, keep your shots low?
 - You were level 22 at the Warrior. Should you be 23, or maybe 24? That damage penalty you get from being under level that Chfou mentioned is really hurting at 32 Warrior. 
 - I wonder how fast King Mong levels you vs. Creature Slaughter, exactly. It might be interesting to add a "Creature Slaughter Start" timer, and judge the xp/minute on that and King Mong, or like, experiment with Fink's, or grinding Henry.
 - Maybe do a Highlands quest before WEP? Just so you're higher level for the Pyre Thresher.
 - A backup plan to the Creature Slaughter reward might be in order. Maybe something as stupid as grinding the Opportunity gun store for a 22/23 RL.
 - Man, it must take something like 100 or so RL shots to bring down the Warrior at this level. Really puts a premium on fire rate on those high-level RLs.
 - So yeah, jokes aside, I think you could potentially use the Law. But it'd have to be exactly the right level.  And it's basically one-time use - if it gets off-level, it's useless pretty much, your RL will beat it. Probably the Thousand Cuts turrets is the best use. It could potentially be useful for Bnk3r, the Buzzards, and the Warrior, but only at the exact right level.
 - And yeah, my thinking on Order is just, it's a blue shield that's quick and easy to get, that's all. Start quest, shoot guy, turn in quest. It might even be worth just the XP. Order will probably will beat whatever other shield you might have for a level or two, assuming it levels to you like that. Might help in Sawtooth, or around then.

EDIT: Oh, right - both Law and Order level with Sanctuary, not you. And IIRC Sanctuary kinda leaps a couple of levels every other mission quest. So whenever the stores are the right level, you can pick them up at a more-or-less intended level. Shoot, this limits the usefulness of Law.

Judgy

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Judgy: 2013-02-19 02:24:34 pm

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2013-02-19 02:18:54 pm

Borderlands 2 Glitch Hunter/ router.

Quote from usernameguy:

And IIRC Sanctuary kinda leaps a couple of levels every other mission quest.

Correct hence why vending machines change levels after helping the Firehawk and won't again until Roland is saved, which is why we need 10 before ending the Firehawk quest.... so leveling needs to be considered along with finishing quests.

Note: I believe that if you hand in a quest and the vending machines are still under leveled (around 2-3 levels below) map switching will change their contents (NOT Save + Quit!!!!!! Just warp to a map and back again, saving you those Anarchy's (^_^) )
(will test)

#Edit (after having watched most of it) most impressive work Prof, the time would have been incredible had the warrior fight gone smoother but, hey S'all Good Tongue

I would like to offer help however, due to it being w/DLC I cannot add much as I'm pure 'Vanilla' here looks good though (^_^)

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