AGDQ 2016 Game Submissions Information (Submissions are now closed)

2015-10-11 03:06:56 pm

Totally Radical Awesome Game

I don't really do this but I am posting on behalf of the Playstation Nation.

Please reconsider Chocobo Racing. I know just from the title it sounds like an assy game, but I assure you it is, in my opinion, one of the best racing games in the entire PS1 library. Given that I have played every PS1 game this is not a statement I make lightly. It is a very fast game (obviously, its a racing game where you play as a chocobo wearing rocket skates) and is adorable looking (did I mention to chocobo?). I know that a few racing games have gotten past first round so far, and you obviously can't have a bunch of those, but I truly believe that Chocobo Racing is a stand out title among them, in addition to being the shortest goal of them all. The fact that the submission is a race with high level international competition is another strong point in the games favor. USA vs Canada vs Japan is sure to catch the attention of thousands. Toufool, Yarumasi, and 0xwas are all great at the game and are great runners in their own right, so a nail-bitingly close finish is assured. And of course, since its a race, you will need an MC to call all the big plays. Enter Caveman. I have been watching a lot of pro wrestling lately and I promise to deliver commentary that will put asses in seats and that will never be forgotten.

I don't really do this but I am posting on behalf of the Playstation Nation.

Please reconsider Chocobo Racing. I know just from the title it sounds like an assy game, but I assure you it is, in my opinion, one of the best racing games in the entire PS1 library. Given that I have played every PS1 game this is not a statement I make lightly. It is a very fast game (obviously, its a racing game where you play as a chocobo wearing rocket skates) and is adorable looking (did I mention to chocobo?). I know that a few racing games have gotten past first round so far, and you obviously can't have a bunch of those, but I truly believe that Chocobo Racing is a stand out title among them, in addition to being the shortest goal of them all.  The fact that the submission is a race with high level international competition is another strong point in the games favor. USA vs Canada vs Japan is sure to catch the attention of thousands. Toufool, Yarumasi, and 0xwas are all great at the game and are great runners in their own right, so a nail-bitingly close finish is assured. And of course, since its a race, you will need an MC to call all the big plays. Enter Caveman. I have been watching a lot of pro wrestling lately and I promise to deliver commentary that will put asses in seats and that will never be forgotten.

Toufool31

2015-10-11 03:20:53 pm

too many gyros

I'd like to thank caveman for taking what I was thinking, and so eloquently putting them into words that I was unable to produce. That is all.

yarumasi

2015-10-11 03:28:23 pm

Quote from Toufool31:

I'd like to thank caveman for taking what I was thinking, and so eloquently putting them into words that I was unable to produce. That is all.

+1

Gamesforcharity

2015-10-11 03:28:47 pm

GFC_

Quote from Toufool31:

I'd like to thank caveman for taking what I was thinking, and so eloquently putting them into words that I was unable to produce. That is all.

+2

honorableJay

2015-10-11 04:16:57 pm

The Dork Knight himself.

Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason.

Gamesforcharity

2015-10-11 04:20:59 pm

GFC_

Quote from honorableJay:

Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason.

That is another point I'd like to add for my plea for Forbidden Memories. Seeing other runs where the pitches are actual jokes get accepted, whilst my run is rejected due to prejudice and bias, is kind of angering.

rowrow_

2015-10-11 04:24:58 pm

no more umbreons pls

This is the saltiest time of the year; if you didn't make it, what can you do? As I understand it, dozens of folks have suffered 0 accepts since GDQ's inception. As someone mentioned earlier as well, runs are also usually selected for gaining viewership and therefore donations.

Gamesforcharity

2015-10-11 04:27:49 pm

GFC_

Quote from rowrow_:

This is the saltiest time of the year; if you didn't make it, what can you do? As I understand it, dozens of folks have suffered 0 accepts since GDQ's inception. As someone mentioned earlier as well, runs are also usually selected for gaining viewership and therefore donations.

But that should only count to a point, and there lies the problem. It seems as if they already had a schedule made when they opened submissions, and they are just looking for runners. I also dislike how they are basing their decision on Forbidden Memories based off of memes and opinions that existed about it years ago. If they actually looked into the submission I made, they would see the categories I submitted and the way they are played are not a 'joke'.

People have misconceptions about the game, and it is entirely the reason it was auto-declined.

KennyMan666

2015-10-11 05:00:10 pm

Precursor

Quote from Gamesforcharity:

I also dislike how they are basing their decision on Forbidden Memories based off of memes and opinions that existed about it years ago. If they actually looked into the submission I made, they would see the categories I submitted and the way they are played are not a 'joke'.

People have misconceptions about the game, and it is entirely the reason it was auto-declined.

[citation fucking needed]

Unless you have been directly told this by the GDQ staff, don't go around talking like you know why it got rejected.

The truth is that the vast majority of games that get submitted will be rejected. They've already rejected more hours of games than there'll be hours of playing in the actual marathon, and that's after processing, if I read the Salt-o-meter right, roughly half of all submissions that have come in during the first day of submissions out of the week it will be open. Even the games that haven't been rejected now aren't guaranteed to make it into the marathon, they just made it past the first cuts.

Don't treat a rejection as something personal and don't start going on a crusade to get it unrejected so it can be cut in the second round. Just accept that you can't change the decision and try again some other time.

[quote="Gamesforcharity"]I also dislike how they are basing their decision on Forbidden Memories based off of memes and opinions that existed about it years ago. If they actually looked into the submission I made, they would see the categories I submitted and the way they are played are not a 'joke'.

People have misconceptions about the game, and it is entirely the reason it was auto-declined.[/quote]
[citation fucking needed]

Unless you have been directly told this by the GDQ staff, don't go around talking like you know why it got rejected.

The truth is that the vast majority of games that get submitted will be rejected. They've already rejected more hours of games than there'll be hours of playing in the actual marathon, and that's after processing, if I read the Salt-o-meter right, roughly half of all submissions that have come in during the first day of submissions out of the week it will be open. Even the games that haven't been rejected now aren't guaranteed to make it into the marathon, they just made it past the first cuts.

Don't treat a rejection as something personal and don't start going on a crusade to get it unrejected so it can be cut in the second round. Just accept that you can't change the decision and try again some other time.

rowrow_

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rowrow_: 2015-10-11 05:01:59 pm

2015-10-11 05:01:44 pm

no more umbreons pls

After reading your description of the game, you did include the word "hype" in the desc., and the submission form explicitly recommended to not include words like "cult classic" or "hype" ...

Romi

2015-10-11 05:07:27 pm

Quote from Romi:

Just wanting to make sure, I submitted my game but on the "My Submissions" page I have the Summer Games Done Quick 2015 header, also I can't find my game in the submission list.

Is that normal ?

Bump.

Kollin7

2015-10-11 05:09:50 pm

Quote from Romi:

Just wanting to make sure, I submitted my game but on the "My Submissions" page I have the Summer Games Done Quick 2015 header, also I can't find my game in the submission list.

Is that normal ?

Bump.

Yes, it's normal. It won't show up in the list until it has been rejected/accepted.

MURPHAGATOR!

2015-10-11 05:12:39 pm

Terraffirmative!

If you want to see the status on only your submissions, you can check them at https://gamesdonequick.com/submission . If you are logged in and they still don't show up there after you submitted, let us know.

Gamesforcharity

2015-10-11 05:16:00 pm

GFC_

Quote from KennyMan666:

Quote from Gamesforcharity:

I also dislike how they are basing their decision on Forbidden Memories based off of memes and opinions that existed about it years ago. If they actually looked into the submission I made, they would see the categories I submitted and the way they are played are not a 'joke'.

People have misconceptions about the game, and it is entirely the reason it was auto-declined.

[citation fucking needed]

Unless you have been directly told this by the GDQ staff, don't go around talking like you know why it got rejected.

The truth is that the vast majority of games that get submitted will be rejected. They've already rejected more hours of games than there'll be hours of playing in the actual marathon, and that's after processing, if I read the Salt-o-meter right, roughly half of all submissions that have come in during the first day of submissions out of the week it will be open. Even the games that haven't been rejected now aren't guaranteed to make it into the marathon, they just made it past the first cuts.

Don't treat a rejection as something personal and don't start going on a crusade to get it un-rejected so it can be cut in the second round. Just accept that you can't change the decision and try again some other time.

There is no citation needed, especially when the game is literally joked, meme'd and made fun of when anyone even mentions it and GDQ in the same sentence. There IS prejudice against the game being in GDQ's and anyone who denies that is lying. I'm not saying it was declined entirely because of prejudice to the game existing in GDQ's, but denying that they didn't read it and a red flag didn't automatically go off in their head is just silly. Every human being has bias and prejudice towards EVERYTHING in the world, and it takes a conscious effort to stop it. I'm not saying they didn't disregard their prejudice and reject it for a totally legitimate reason; that may very well be true. And I know a LOT of factors go into game acceptions and rejections for GDQ's; far more than I even know of. I'm not ignorant because I know there are plenty of things about this entire process I do not know, and I give them credit for whatever all of that entails.

But it can get infuriating to see the fact the game was declined literally joked about all over Twitter by people who have NEVER watched the categories presented. The game is written off as a meme, and as not a speedgame. Mind you, it definitely doesn't hold all the marks of a true metroid-esque speedgame, and I recognize that, but saying that it isn't a speedrun is blatantly disrespectful to me and any other runner. And I see so much of it, EVERY GDQ submission time. And it gets infuriating and disappointing to see something you spent hundreds of hours researching and developing called a joke because people don't understand it.

I'm not angry because my game was rejected, I'm angry because the fact it was rejected is just joked about by ignorant people who are thought to be 'leaders' of this community. Forbidden Memories has skill. It has decision making. It has glitches. It has manipulation. It had to be searched, the code had to be broken into, and there had to be countless long discussions and Skype calls about it, just like any other speedgame. But people write it off as 100% RNG because they don't take the time to learn what actually goes into the run.

All I am saying is that a lot of people hold bias against my speedgame. They blatantly make fun of it, and they get others to listen. Naturally I begin to assume that these opinions overflow into the GDQ decisions. It isn't any type of ignorance on my end.

And again, sorry if I came off as ignorant, but try to look at it from where I'm sitting.

[quote="KennyMan666"][quote="Gamesforcharity"]I also dislike how they are basing their decision on Forbidden Memories based off of memes and opinions that existed about it years ago. If they actually looked into the submission I made, they would see the categories I submitted and the way they are played are not a 'joke'.

People have misconceptions about the game, and it is entirely the reason it was auto-declined.[/quote]
[citation fucking needed]

Unless you have been directly told this by the GDQ staff, don't go around talking like you know why it got rejected.

The truth is that the vast majority of games that get submitted will be rejected. They've already rejected more hours of games than there'll be hours of playing in the actual marathon, and that's after processing, if I read the Salt-o-meter right, roughly half of all submissions that have come in during the first day of submissions out of the week it will be open. Even the games that haven't been rejected now aren't guaranteed to make it into the marathon, they just made it past the first cuts.

Don't treat a rejection as something personal and don't start going on a crusade to get it un-rejected so it can be cut in the second round. Just accept that you can't change the decision and try again some other time.[/quote]

There is no citation needed, especially when the game is literally joked, meme'd and made fun of when anyone even mentions it and GDQ in the same sentence. There IS prejudice against the game being in GDQ's and anyone who denies that is lying. I'm not saying it was declined entirely because of prejudice to the game existing in GDQ's, but denying that they didn't read it and a red flag didn't automatically go off in their head is just silly. Every human being has bias and prejudice towards EVERYTHING in the world, and it takes a conscious effort to stop it. I'm not saying they didn't disregard their prejudice and reject it for a totally legitimate reason; that may very well be true. And I know a LOT of factors go into game acceptions and rejections for GDQ's; far more than I even know of. I'm not ignorant because I know there are plenty of things about this entire process I do not know, and I give them credit for whatever all of that entails.

But it can get infuriating to see the fact the game was declined literally joked about all over Twitter by people who have NEVER watched the categories presented. The game is written off as a meme, and as not a speedgame. Mind you, it definitely doesn't hold all the marks of a true metroid-esque speedgame, and I recognize that, but saying that it isn't a speedrun is blatantly disrespectful to me and any other runner. And I see so much of it, EVERY GDQ submission time. And it gets infuriating and disappointing to see something you spent hundreds of hours researching and developing called a joke because people don't understand it.

I'm not angry because my game was rejected, I'm angry because the fact it was rejected is just joked about by ignorant people who are thought to be 'leaders' of this community. Forbidden Memories has skill. It has decision making. It has glitches. It has manipulation. It had to be searched, the code had to be broken into, and there had to be countless long discussions and Skype calls about it, just like any other speedgame. But people write it off as 100% RNG because they don't take the time to learn what actually goes into the run.

All I am saying is that a lot of people hold bias against my speedgame. They blatantly make fun of it, and they get others to listen. Naturally I begin to assume that these opinions overflow into the GDQ decisions. It isn't any type of ignorance on my end.

And again, sorry if I came off as ignorant, but try to look at it from where I'm sitting.

Romi

2015-10-11 05:16:31 pm

Oh so that's why, cause of the all "rejecting/submitting" I get it. Thanks, that was dumb of me.

yarumasi

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yarumasi: 2015-10-11 05:22:06 pm

2015-10-11 05:21:30 pm

@gamesforcharity its hard enough to get past final 6, let alone get a good starting deck, the rng is far too heavy for a live experience

Gamesforcharity

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Gamesforcharity: 2015-10-11 05:27:47 pm

2015-10-11 05:23:08 pm

GFC_

Quote from yarumasi:

@gamesforcharity its hard enough to get past final 6, let alone get a good starting deck, the rng is far too heavy for a live experience

Again, you did not look at what categories were presented. Any% is not viable for a marathon. Any% was not submitted. The categories submitted have little to no RNG in them, and the estimates are a 100% guarantee.

I just want to make it clear to whoever may be doing submissions and may be reconsidering Forbidden Memories: If RNG is your concern then let your worries begone, because the categories I and SSBMstuff submitted have very little RNG, and absolutely NO run-ending or costly RNG sections. What was submitted is entirely marathon safe, and the estimates are WORST case scenarios for the little amounts of RNG included. There is no question in any runners mind that the estimates will be EASILY beaten.

yarumasi

2015-10-11 05:27:44 pm

ng+ is not, neither is world tourny, ng+ arguably has the most

Gamesforcharity

2015-10-11 05:37:00 pm

GFC_

Quote from yarumasi:

ng+ is not, neither is world tourny, ng+ arguably has the most

What?

NG+ has two fights in the entire game that can be lost at a less than 5% possibility. The two fights are at the end of the game, which you can save before going into. If a loss is taken on them, only a minute would be lost. The estimates account for this to happen roughly 10 or more times. But it won't. NG+ is EASILY the most consistent category of the game. Throughout the entire game there is literally 0% chance to die, and the two fights that DO have a possibility have such a low possibility of happening that it is entirely negligible (provided the runners know what they are doing; new manipulation was recently found to make these two fights even MORE consistent). Even so, the estimates included provide more than enough time for a worst-case to be played out.

As for World Tournament, there were two submitted. Regular world tournament has RNG in the beginning, when resetting for a deck. If you are basing this off of an actual WT WR attempt run, or Mergy's run, you are wrong. In a WR attempt we take our time to find a good deck in order to have the best chance to get a great time (the WR for WT is 25 minutes, my estimate is an hour). Mergy was very picky about his starting deck at ESA. I have done enough WT in the last 3 years to know it should take no more than 3-5 minutes to get a good starting deck. The rest of the run is easy. There is RNG in what the opponent does and what you draw, but with good play it is negligible at best. Again, do not base your opinion on the ESA run. Mergy played HORRIBLY. There is such a thing as VERY good play that will result in the RNG level being negligible. But even so, the estimate accounts for the worst RNG possible. There is no risk of either category going over.

Finally, there is World Tournament with a pre-made deck. This is the safest of the two WT options, because you cut out looking for starting deck, and your deck is already pre-configured to be good enough to get through without any sort of trouble. Even so, the estimate accounts for the worst RNG.

There is no way any of these runs would hit or go over estimate. If marathon-safeness is an actual worry, I am here telling everyone right now that it is not like that with these categories. They are all 100% consistent to be beaten in under the estimates I have given. And they have LOADS of commentary at the ready.

(Oh, and if you want more information as to what SPECIFICALLY was found recently in the game, feel free to PM me.)

[quote="yarumasi"]ng+ is not, neither is world tourny, ng+ arguably has the most [/quote]

What?

NG+ has two fights in the entire game that can be lost at a less than 5% possibility. The two fights are at the end of the game, which you can save before going into. If a loss is taken on them, only a minute would be lost. The estimates account for this to happen roughly 10 or more times. But it won't. NG+ is EASILY the most consistent category of the game. Throughout the entire game there is literally 0% chance to die, and the two fights that DO have a possibility have such a low possibility of happening that it is entirely negligible (provided the runners know what they are doing; new manipulation was recently found to make these two fights even MORE consistent). Even so, the estimates included provide more than enough time for a worst-case to be played out.

As for World Tournament, there were two submitted. Regular world tournament has RNG in the beginning, when resetting for a deck. If you are basing this off of an actual WT WR attempt run, or Mergy's run, you are wrong. In a WR attempt we take our time to find a good deck in order to have the best chance to get a great time (the WR for WT is 25 minutes, my estimate is an hour). Mergy was very picky about his starting deck at ESA. I have done enough WT in the last 3 years to know it should take no more than 3-5 minutes to get a good starting deck. The rest of the run is easy. There is RNG in what the opponent does and what you draw, but with good play it is negligible at best. Again, do not base your opinion on the ESA run. Mergy played HORRIBLY. There is such a thing as VERY good play that will result in the RNG level being negligible. But even so, the estimate accounts for the worst RNG possible. There is no risk of either category going over.

Finally, there is World Tournament with a pre-made deck. This is the safest of the two WT options, because you cut out looking for starting deck, and your deck is already pre-configured to be good enough to get through without any sort of trouble. Even so, the estimate accounts for the worst RNG.

There is no way any of these runs would hit or go over estimate. If marathon-safeness is an actual worry, I am here telling everyone right now that it is not like that with these categories. They are all 100% consistent to be beaten in under the estimates I have given. And they have LOADS of commentary at the ready.

(Oh, and if you want more information as to what SPECIFICALLY was found recently in the game, feel free to PM me.)

Kythol

2015-10-11 05:45:24 pm

LennyPls

Quote from honorableJay:

Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason.

When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.

For me, Ty getting rejected EVEN THOUGH it was supposed to be a run for SGDQ 2015 was an even bigger slap to the face. Yes, Papo did drop the run from the marathon, but it being accepted at all shows that there is some demand for the game in the first place. After receiving a generalized response saying that "Runs are very rarely showcased in two consecutive marathons" and being told that I may not get an actual reason as to why it got denied is also quite disappointing. It wasn't run at SGDQ 2015 as it was dropped, so their standard response (if that is why I got rejected) would be the subject of misinformation or miscommunication. Hopefully, that's not the case and people that have legitimate questions on why they got rejected will get their answer sooner or later.

[quote="honorableJay"]Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason. [/quote]
When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.

For me, Ty getting rejected EVEN THOUGH it was supposed to be a run for SGDQ 2015 was an even bigger slap to the face. Yes, Papo did drop the run from the marathon, but it being accepted at all shows that there is some demand for the game in the first place. After receiving a generalized response saying that "Runs are very rarely showcased in two consecutive marathons" and being told that I may not get an actual reason as to why it got denied is also quite disappointing. It wasn't run at SGDQ 2015 as it was dropped, so their standard response (if that is why I got rejected) would be the subject of misinformation or miscommunication. Hopefully, that's not the case and people that have legitimate questions on why they got rejected will get their answer sooner or later.

StingerPA

2015-10-11 05:51:03 pm

Quote from Kythol:

Quote from honorableJay:

Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason.

When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.

I really hate when I see idiots posting things like this. You say that no effort was put into the submission? How about the hundreds of hours put into the game and not writing out some silly pitch? I'd bet any amount of money that more work was put into that Portal run than any speedgame you've worked on. I'm sure you wrote an amazing pitch for your speedgame, but the pitch is far less important than the work actually put into the game.

[quote="Kythol"][quote="honorableJay"]Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason. [/quote]
When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.[/quote]
I really hate when I see idiots posting things like this.  You say that no effort was put into the submission?  How about the hundreds of hours put into the game and not writing out some silly pitch?  I'd bet any amount of money that more work was put into that Portal run than any speedgame you've worked on.  I'm sure you wrote an amazing pitch for your speedgame, but the pitch is far less important than the work actually put into the game.

Kythol

2015-10-11 06:04:17 pm

LennyPls

Quote from StingerPA:

Quote from Kythol:

Quote from honorableJay:

Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason.

When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.

I really hate when I see idiots posting things like this. You say that no effort was put into the submission? How about the hundreds of hours put into the game and not writing out some silly pitch? I'd bet any amount of money that more work was put into that Portal run than any speedgame you've worked on. I'm sure you wrote an amazing pitch for your speedgame, but the pitch is far less important than the work actually put into the game.

Alright, I may have been quite broad with what I said, but take a look at this from the point of view of someone who plays a not-so-popular game.

I love Portal. I love Portal speedruns. I understand how much effort goes into the game to speedrun it. It's absolutely insane, and I give them MASSIVE props for that. I, on the other hand, have only spent maybe 300-400 hours practicing and perfecting my speedrun of Ty the Tasmanian Tiger. I also spent several hours trying to write the best pitch for my game as possible. My issue with the Portal speedrun is not the effort put into the game, but the effort put into the pitch. I know that for me and many other small-game speedrunners, we were quite confused and pissed off that someone could make a joke out of their pitch and basically say "yeah, I'm still decent at this game" and actually move on through the first cuts purely based on the game. THAT is what I find as a slap to the face. I understand that the pitch sometimes means absolutely nothing, but I feel that some form of seriousness should be applied to the pitch to show that you actually mean business instead of just submitting the stupidest sounding description that is completely a joke because you know the game will get in no matter what.

I'm sorry if I came off as rash or arrogant with what I said, but that is the point of view that I currently have.

[quote="StingerPA"][quote="Kythol"][quote="honorableJay"]Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason. [/quote]
When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.[/quote]
I really hate when I see idiots posting things like this.  You say that no effort was put into the submission?  How about the hundreds of hours put into the game and not writing out some silly pitch?  I'd bet any amount of money that more work was put into that Portal run than any speedgame you've worked on.  I'm sure you wrote an amazing pitch for your speedgame, but the pitch is far less important than the work actually put into the game.[/quote]

Alright, I may have been quite broad with what I said, but take a look at this from the point of view of someone who plays a not-so-popular game.

I love Portal. I love Portal speedruns. I understand how much effort goes into the game to speedrun it. It's absolutely insane, and I give them MASSIVE props for that. I, on the other hand, have only spent maybe 300-400 hours practicing and perfecting my speedrun of Ty the Tasmanian Tiger. I also spent several hours trying to write the best pitch for my game as possible. My issue with the Portal speedrun is not the effort put into the game, but the effort put into the pitch. I know that for me and many other small-game speedrunners, we were quite confused and pissed off that someone could make a joke out of their pitch and basically say "yeah, I'm still decent at this game" and actually move on through the first cuts purely based on the game. THAT is what I find as a slap to the face. I understand that the pitch sometimes means absolutely nothing, but I feel that some form of seriousness should be applied to the pitch to show that you actually mean business instead of just submitting the stupidest sounding description that is completely a joke because you know the game will get in no matter what.

I'm sorry if I came off as rash or arrogant with what I said, but that is the point of view that I currently have.

doicm

2015-10-11 06:06:51 pm

Quote from StingerPA:

Quote from Kythol:

Quote from honorableJay:

Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason.

When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.

I really hate when I see idiots posting things like this. You say that no effort was put into the submission? How about the hundreds of hours put into the game and not writing out some silly pitch? I'd bet any amount of money that more work was put into that Portal run than any speedgame you've worked on. I'm sure you wrote an amazing pitch for your speedgame, but the pitch is far less important than the work actually put into the game.

In the end, the run will be what is important, and I know that the Portal run is legitimate because of how much work the runner has put into it. I agree with this 100%.

Some pitches get rejected because they do come off as jokes. However, I think the reason for the pitches is for the staff unfamiliar with the games/runs themselves to get acquainted with what is going on with the game/run. If they're already familiar with who the runner is and what it is, they may not worry too much altogether. Sometimes, I think it might be better to censor that information from the public and keep it private so that people get less salty about it.

[quote="StingerPA"][quote="Kythol"][quote="honorableJay"]Is there any specific reason why my submission for DMC Devil May Cry was rejected yet Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were accepted? Was it simply because mine came in afterwards and it was considered too many Devil May Cry games or because Aphox ran the game at ESA (in a completely different category)?

It's a bit of a slap in the face to see a game with this submission, "hahaha look at this tommy pickles lookin' idiot http://imgur.com/FlVVR0A btw im still good at this game," get past round 1 simply because the game is Portal. Yet my submission, which I put time in to try and describe the run, gets immediately rejected with no reason. [/quote]
When I saw the Portal run get progressed, I nearly screamed. It was an absolute slap to the face for countless runners out there who actually put in time and effort into their submissions.[/quote]
I really hate when I see idiots posting things like this.  You say that no effort was put into the submission?  How about the hundreds of hours put into the game and not writing out some silly pitch?  I'd bet any amount of money that more work was put into that Portal run than any speedgame you've worked on.  I'm sure you wrote an amazing pitch for your speedgame, but the pitch is far less important than the work actually put into the game.[/quote]
In the end, the run will be what is important, and I know that the Portal run is legitimate because of how much work the runner has put into it. I agree with this 100%.

Some pitches get rejected because they do come off as jokes. However, I think the reason for the pitches is for the staff unfamiliar with the games/runs themselves to get acquainted with what is going on with the game/run. If they're already familiar with who the runner is and what it is, they may not worry too much altogether. Sometimes, I think it might be better to censor that information from the public and keep it private so that people get less salty about it.

sumichu

2015-10-11 06:24:08 pm

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With regards to Yu-Gi-Oh!, it's not a bias against the game in particular, but card games in general tend to require an understanding of the rules and intricacies of the game, which a large majority of the GDQ audience wouldn't have (as a reminder, the GDQ stream audience isn't limited to just the speedrun community).

A similar game that has been submitted (and declined for the same reason) is the Pokemon CCG.

Gamesforcharity

2015-10-11 06:26:07 pm

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Quote from sumichu:

With regards to Yu-Gi-Oh!, it's not a bias against the game in particular, but card games in general tend to require an understanding of the rules and intricacies of the game, which a large majority of the GDQ audience wouldn't have (as a reminder, the GDQ stream audience isn't limited to just the speedrun community).

A similar game that has been submitted (and declined for the same reason) is the Pokemon CCG.

I very much agree with you. And you would think that a Yu-Gi-Oh! game would fall under those guidelines. However, the game was released in 1999, before the card game you are thinking of existed. Therefore, it does not follow a specific ruleset. This is why the run at ESA (and everywhere else) is so popular; it has no rules, and can be instantly understood with commentary.