A change is in order

2014-10-07 01:34:03 am

Old Iron Giant

Oh yea, since you're a company now, maybe you should take a good look at chat again, can't leave such a racist, misogynistic shithole like that to continue, given Twitchs new hosting feature you could make it sub only now and other people can just host their poverty chats elsewhere.

Seriously that chat reflects very poorly on the GDQ's I feel

Goobi

2014-10-07 02:11:59 am

welcome to the goob show

Congrats. This is a nice step forward.

bangerra

2014-10-07 02:29:45 am

Quote from AlteisenRiese:

Oh yea, since you're a company now, maybe you should take a good look at chat again, can't leave such a racist, misogynistic shithole like that to continue, given Twitchs new hosting feature you could make it sub only now and other people can just host their poverty chats elsewhere.

Seriously that chat reflects very poorly on the GDQ's I feel

Twitch chat is a very very big part of what brings in the viewers for these marathons (I know it sounds silly, but somehow the crowd is attracted to that 'racist, misogynistic shithole'). Turning on sub-only mode would hurt the viewercount aLOT, and the whole thing would be considered a sellout to the general public. If you want a nice chat experience you can always join the IRC chat which is more heavily moderated and less crowded.

mikwuyma

2014-10-07 09:59:45 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Youtube videos: Just to elaborate a bit on what UA said, if you ran the game, then I'm okay with you monetizing the video (since it is your run at the event), otherwise then I'm not okay with it, and yes I'm aware there are unofficial channels out there monetizing GDQ videos, and that's something that we'll address soon.

In other words, you're fine Buddy.

Twitch chat: I've talked about sub-only a bit in the past, and to be honest, there isn't a lot of benefit to it, as Bangerra said, people do enjoy the interactivity of Twitch chat. Making chat sub-only causes a lot of complaints and headaches for everyone involved, whether it's staff or viewers. The gamesdonequick website will only have the quakenet chat open because it's more family-appropriate and for some odd reason Twitch doesn't support SSL.

What Bangerra said about viewer count simply isn't true about sub-only mode, I haven't seen a significant effect on the viewer numbers when sub-only mode is turned on (or turned back off). Maybe someday chat will need to be sub-only because it will be completely unmanageable, but as of right now it's not being considered. I'll ask PCF about chat because I know they're aware of it, the it was either the VP or head of marketing who said, "Twitch chat was brutal," but they didn't say much else.

Is there offensive content on there? Yes, but the majority of it gets timed out or banned before it's visible for any extended period of time.

Youtube videos: Just to elaborate a bit on what UA said, if you ran the game, then I'm okay with you monetizing the video (since it is your run at the event), otherwise then I'm not okay with it, and yes I'm aware there are unofficial channels out there monetizing GDQ videos, and that's something that we'll address soon.

In other words, you're fine Buddy.

Twitch chat: I've talked about sub-only a bit in the past, and to be honest, there isn't a lot of benefit to it, as Bangerra said, people do enjoy the interactivity of Twitch chat. Making chat sub-only causes a lot of complaints and headaches for everyone involved, whether it's staff or viewers. The gamesdonequick website will only have the quakenet chat open because it's more family-appropriate and for some odd reason Twitch doesn't support SSL.

What Bangerra said about viewer count simply isn't true about sub-only mode, I haven't seen a significant effect on the viewer numbers when sub-only mode is turned on (or turned back off). Maybe someday chat will need to be sub-only because it will be completely unmanageable, but as of right now it's not being considered. I'll ask PCF about chat because I know they're aware of it, the it was either the VP or head of marketing who said, "Twitch chat was brutal," but they didn't say much else.

Is there offensive content on there? Yes, but the majority of it gets timed out or banned before it's visible for any extended period of time.

puwexil

2014-10-07 10:28:12 am

Professional Second Banana

An option I appreciated in the past was to host the videos of my GDQ runs on my own YT channel rather than the SDA one, and have them be part of a playlist of marathon runs on the SDA channel. If that can continue I'd appreciate it.

mikwuyma

2014-10-07 12:36:48 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

That can probably be arranged puwexil.

ONOGMuffins

2014-10-07 05:47:55 pm

For those who still can't identify who I am... "Mom"

jape

2014-10-07 05:56:53 pm

Quote from ONOGMuffins:

For those who still can't identify who I am... "Mom"

Thank you for the Arby's today -- it really hit the spot.

Edenal

2014-10-20 07:46:05 am

Hockey enthusiast

Is there any chance to get more information about which persons are under contract from PCF and which are under contract from GDQ (Since it's an organisation now)? And the estimated hours each person is contracted for?

Would you mind posting your calculated estimates for income and expenses for AGDQ 2015?
Estimated expenses: staff salary, rent, catering, equipment purchases, storage and transportation.
Estimated income: Twitch add revenue, attendance fee, sponsorship, PCF reimbursements?

Klaige

2014-10-20 09:20:31 am

Have things changed in recent years, because I've never worked anywhere in the past 2 decades where it was ok or even remotely professional to discuss salary with other individuals. People need to learn and understand that the only ones who need detailed information about the financial side of this or any event, are the ones who are managing the budget and those involved with the tax side of it. If you are asking for these sorts of things on the forums, there's almost zero chance you are one of the individuals who needs to be involved with that information.

Edenal

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Edenal: 2014-10-20 09:50:46 am

2014-10-20 09:49:06 am

Hockey enthusiast

Quote from Klaige:

Have things changed in recent years, because I've never worked anywhere in the past 2 decades where it was ok or even remotely professional to discuss salary with other individuals. People need to learn and understand that the only ones who need detailed information about the financial side of this or any event, are the ones who are managing the budget and those involved with the tax side of it. If you are asking for these sorts of things on the forums, there's almost zero chance you are one of the individuals who needs to be involved with that information.

There's no need to get defensive and call anyone unprofessional. I was merely asking for estimates. Not individual persons salaries.
*Edit: leave salaries out of the estimates if that's better.

I don't see GDQ as your average corporate business. And therefor is not treating it as such.

Klaige

2014-10-20 10:03:17 am

Regardless of if it's salary, budget, or anything else financially related, I'm not really sure why you feel you or anyone else not handling the budget or the taxes for GDQ is entitled to that information. Regardless of how you see GDQ as a business means absolutely nothing in this situation. GDQ needs a budget to operate, just like any other major event, that budget is the repsonsibility of the staff involved with it and no one elses. The only time people seem to think that this information is relevant to them is to start either complaints or conspiracy theories about how the entire event is run and to try and slap wild accusations on various staff members.

Simply put, unless you are the IRS, or PCF, the financial information behind a GDQ is not information that is relevant to you, and they are under no obligation to share it.

Radix

2014-10-20 10:33:56 am

I'm addicted to games

The pcf financial report is public information, as a non-profit. So in there you can find out how much they spend on "fund raising" which would include things like AGDQ.

Kirua

2014-10-20 10:41:46 am

Quote from Klaige:

Regardless of if it's salary, budget, or anything else financially related, I'm not really sure why you feel you or anyone else not handling the budget or the taxes for GDQ is entitled to that information. Regardless of how you see GDQ as a business means absolutely nothing in this situation. GDQ needs a budget to operate, just like any other major event, that budget is the repsonsibility of the staff involved with it and no one elses. The only time people seem to think that this information is relevant to them is to start either complaints or conspiracy theories about how the entire event is run and to try and slap wild accusations on various staff members.

Simply put, unless you are the IRS, or PCF, the financial information behind a GDQ is not information that is relevant to you, and they are under no obligation to share it.

You're either oblivious to the point or you missed it on purpose. Basically, what's being asked is some kind of transparency. Even if not part of the staff, a lot of players give their time and money without asking anything in return so the AGDQ is as successful as possible. And that success will have a direct impact on the negotiations regarding the contracts. So to put it simply, every attendee has a direct impact on how much the staff will make. A lot of the players also donate their money on top of that. Some people "work" for the event without a salary too. When you add that to the fact that many players travel through the world with charity in mind, I don't think it's preposterous to ask questions about the money. It's not an accusation or anything, again, it's just about transparency. You can't tell the players that they are not entitled to any sort of information, and at the same time ask them to put on the best show possible. When people make money out of it, it's a bit tactless.

[quote="Klaige"]Regardless of if it's salary, budget, or anything else financially related, I'm not really sure why you feel you or anyone else not handling the budget or the taxes for GDQ is entitled to that information.   Regardless of how you see GDQ as a business means absolutely nothing in this situation.  GDQ needs a budget to operate, just like any other major event, that budget is the repsonsibility of the staff involved with it and no one elses.  The only time people seem to think that this information is relevant to them is to start either complaints or conspiracy theories about how the entire event is run and to try and slap wild accusations on various staff members.

Simply put, unless you are the IRS, or PCF, the financial information behind a GDQ is not information that is relevant to you, and they are under no obligation to share it.[/quote]

You're either oblivious to the point or you missed it on purpose. Basically, what's being asked is some kind of transparency. Even if not part of the staff, a lot of players give their time and money without asking anything in return so the AGDQ is as successful as possible. And that success will have a direct impact on the negotiations regarding the contracts. So to put it simply, every attendee has a direct impact on how much the staff will make. A lot of the players also donate their money on top of that. Some people "work" for the event without a salary too. When you add that to the fact that many players travel through the world with charity in mind, I don't think it's preposterous to ask questions about the money. It's not an accusation or anything, again, it's just about transparency. You can't tell the players that they are not entitled to any sort of information, and at the same time ask them to put on the best show possible. When people make money out of it, it's a bit tactless.

Klaige

2014-10-20 11:11:13 am

I'll keep this simple, if the staff deems it important to make the fiancial information transparent, they will do so. Otherwise lets keep this thread to questions that are not covered in the FAQ in the first post about non "GDQ financials" information.

lurk

2014-10-20 03:55:03 pm

is GDQ a non-profit organization? do you expect to make this your job for however many years the grant keeps it up?

because if staff feel it's "unprofessional" to ask for transparency, then you must be a private business?

z1mb0bw4y

2014-10-20 06:43:27 pm

Gets the cake.

Mike literally said on the first page that he is willing to release information on things that PCF is reimbursing GDQ for except for personal salaries.

Which is probably because your income is, and has been for quite some time in the USA, a personal matter. Or apparently it isn't, judging by the number of people who want that info outed...

They are contracted by PCF anyways. If you're interested in what PCF pays its contract employees, then as Radix said you can check their financial information.

Darkwing Duck

2014-10-20 06:50:25 pm

Highly Evolved

Any non-profit or public salary information is generally open to public viewing. You can find the salary of any public university employee or government employee. Search found me PCF's president's compensation listed for 2013, which was $277,589. http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=5435#.VEWrNclNc40

I'd say feel free to contact PCF and they'll likely give you all the financial information for how much they spend on AGDQ you want.

BroBuzz

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BroBuzz: 2014-10-20 06:53:56 pm

2014-10-20 06:53:31 pm

Quote from Klaige:

I'll keep this simple, if the staff deems it important to make the fiancial information transparent, they will do so. Otherwise lets keep this thread to questions that are not covered in the FAQ in the first post about non "GDQ financials" information.

Why do you care so much? You're not even GDQ staff.

lurk

2014-10-20 07:24:30 pm

i don't feel it's unreasonable to ask a charity organization (or at least charity affiliated) to be as transparent as possible with their finances, especially from runners in the events. if you end up making a decent salary off a charity event, you should be upfront about that so people who donate/run games know what percentage of what they donated/participated for is going to the actual cause. sure you never touch a cent of the money being donated, but you're still being compensated by the charity based on donations. PCF has to be transparent as a non-profit - it's not unreasonable to ask the same of GDQ even if they are a private organization. this is a community-driven event that has been successful because of the community. saying the runners are not entitled to knowing how finances are being used is either blatantly ignorant, or you're trying to hide something. and we'll never know that you are not hiding something if you won't be transparent. we'd have to compare the PCF numbers to GDQ numbers on our own to figure it all out, when it could easily be communicated publicly.

Knox

2014-10-20 07:26:45 pm

interesting thread

Felly

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Felly: 2014-10-20 07:36:54 pm

2014-10-20 07:29:08 pm

Edit: Fine fine...bad example.

Stingrayy

2014-10-20 07:35:11 pm

Quote from Felly:

Question Lurk:

Do you feel comfortable disclosing ALL of your financial information? I think you're putting yourself into a corner on this.

I never realized lurk was a charity affiliated organization

Domakr

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Domakr: 2014-10-20 07:37:55 pm

2014-10-20 07:35:27 pm

Wah~

Quote from Felly:

Question Lurk:

Do you feel comfortable disclosing ALL of your financial information? I think you're putting yourself into a corner on this.

I hope you're at least posting this in jest. There is no direct correlation between financial information belonging to a private individual and that of an event which ultimately exists to get money from people. Donators make it happen, and the position that donators deserve to know what their money is going to valid. It's not the same, and you know it's not the same.

BroBuzz

2014-10-20 07:35:31 pm

Quote from Felly:

Question Lurk:

Do you feel comfortable disclosing ALL of your financial information? I think you're putting yourself into a corner on this.

How is an individuals financial info even comparable to a non-profit organization?