Weapons of mass destruction

2003-10-25 09:24:20 am

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

Do a search in google on " Weapons of mass destruction"

and click the first hit

or go to http://www.coxar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ directly

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phil

2003-10-26 07:30:13 am

Huhae

We cannot find Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden.
This must mean they do not exist.

Does this sound familiar?

Exhibit #1 (when UN inspectors left in '98 there was an extensive list of banned weapons in Saddam's stockpiles (8,500 liters of anthrax, 1,000 tons of poison gas, 6,500 bombs capable of delivering chemical weapons, thousands of poison gas rockets, and so forth)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26671-2003Jun6

Exhibit #2 (evidence that above-established WMDs may remain hidden in Iraq)
http://newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/16/164802

Exhibit #3 ("If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People")
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php

Exhibit #4 (a list of weapons that Saddam had not accounted for, for five years now since the present)
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

Exhibit #5 (On December 17, 1998, Bill Clinton launched a military strike against Iraq, saying the mission was "to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs.")
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/clinton_12-17.html

Exhibit #... I could go on

We cannot find Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden.
This must mean they do not exist.

Does this sound familiar?

Exhibit #1 (when UN inspectors left in '98 there was an extensive list of banned weapons in Saddam's stockpiles (8,500 liters of anthrax, 1,000 tons of poison gas, 6,500 bombs capable of delivering chemical weapons, thousands of poison gas rockets, and so forth)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A26671-2003Jun6

Exhibit #2 (evidence that above-established WMDs may remain hidden in Iraq)
http://newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/7/16/164802

Exhibit #3 ("If The Bush Administration Lied About WMD, So Did These People")
http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php

Exhibit #4 (a list of weapons that Saddam had not accounted for, for five years now since the present)
http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

Exhibit #5 (On December 17, 1998, Bill Clinton launched a military strike against Iraq, saying the mission was "to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs.")
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/clinton_12-17.html

Exhibit #... I could go on

phil

2003-10-26 08:13:27 am

Huhae

Oh and by the way, that's a funny ass site Smiley

I wonder how they got to be #1 for such a hot search item as "weapons of mass destruction." Hax!!

Morfans

2003-10-26 09:54:57 am

Hell is where the heart is.

Do a Google search on how to cheat google. :-)

Suggest "google gaming ranking" and have a look at a few of the articles. Quite interesting. Seems it's pretty easy to cheat your way to the top.

Hanz

2003-11-03 09:59:40 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

phil,
Santa visited my home when I was a kid.. Though later I got evidence that Santa isn't real. Can I trust this more recent evidence or should I still kling on to the info I gathered when I was a kid?

Sure, Iraq could have WMDs hidden under the sand, or it could not. It's simply a matter of believing to what you think is the most probable alternative. Non-suprisingly, many people have turned from "there are WMDs!" to "there likely aren't" as more and more square inches of Iraq's sand have been searched. But I suppose there will always be a group of people who won't convert, as non-existency of WMDs is simply impossible to prove.

phil

2003-11-03 11:33:33 pm

Huhae

Your metaphor would make sense if you could liken the reports of politicians world-wide, and that of the United Nations Committee *specifically* created to investigate Iraq (such as UNSCOM, UNMOVIC), to your parent's fairy tales.

(And by the way, there *WAS* a Santa Claus (St. Nicholas of Myra), except, as a human being, he died a couple hundred years ago. Too bad WMD's don't have a similar way of expiring.)

Here's something that someone else said, that I think says a lot about the WMD issue:

Quote:

Saddam would have COMPLETELY embarrassed the Bush adm. and the U.N. by proving he had no W.M.D's. Instead he chose a butt kicking.

To keep with the lighthearedness of this topic (I don't think orbs originally meant this to be a political debate) here are some other similarly stupid metaphors:

When I was little I liked pork, but now I do not. Does that mean I am now an arab?

Your girlfriend likes to suck a lot of black cocks. Does that mean she is a perverse farmer?

In the Brataslavadorkian Religion, burning oil is concidered the holiest of holy acts. Does this mean Saddam is a Saint?

Your metaphor would make sense if you could liken the reports of politicians world-wide, and that of the United Nations Committee *specifically* created to investigate Iraq (such as UNSCOM, UNMOVIC), to your parent's fairy tales.

(And by the way, there *WAS* a Santa Claus (St. Nicholas of Myra), except, as a human being, he died a couple hundred years ago.  Too bad WMD's don't have a similar way of expiring.)

Here's something that someone else said, that I think says a lot about the WMD issue:

[quote]Saddam would have COMPLETELY embarrassed the Bush adm. and the U.N. by proving he had no W.M.D's. Instead he chose a butt kicking.[/quote]

To keep with the lighthearedness of this topic (I don't think orbs originally meant this to be a political debate) here are some other similarly stupid metaphors:

When I was little I liked pork, but now I do not.  Does that mean I am now an arab?

Your girlfriend likes to suck a lot of black cocks.  Does that mean she is a perverse farmer?

In the Brataslavadorkian Religion, burning oil is concidered the holiest of holy acts.  Does this mean Saddam is a Saint?

Hanz_

2003-11-04 07:58:23 am

Quote:

Your metaphor would make sense if you could liken the reports of politicians world-wide, and that of the United Nations Committee *specifically* created to investigate Iraq (such as UNSCOM, UNMOVIC), to your parent's fairy tales.

As such, it wouldn't be much of a metaphor, eh? It seems that the problem of giving metaphors to some people is that they won't accept them until they're 100% the real thing, which would make them not metaphors at all.

Surely UN had a feeling Hussein could have WMDs, but all they did was investigate and that is pretty harmless. They were just trying to gather this more recent evidence that my metaphor was talking about.

Quote:

Saddam would have COMPLETELY embarrassed the Bush adm. and the U.N. by proving he had no W.M.D's. Instead he chose a butt kicking.

How could he have proved he had no WMDs? Bush adm. could've always claimed that the WMDs are hidden under the sand or in some other hard-to-find place, like they did now. I think the Bush adm. has already been COMPLETELY embarrassed and made fools of by not finding a link between Saddam & Osama, and by not finding WMDs.

[quote]Your metaphor would make sense if you could liken the reports of politicians world-wide, and that of the United Nations Committee *specifically* created to investigate Iraq (such as UNSCOM, UNMOVIC), to your parent's fairy tales.[/quote]As such, it wouldn't be much of a metaphor, eh? It seems that the problem of giving metaphors to some people is that they won't accept them until they're 100% the real thing, which would make them not metaphors at all.

Surely UN had a feeling Hussein could have WMDs, but all they did was investigate and that is pretty harmless. They were just trying to gather this more recent evidence that my metaphor was talking about.
[quote]Saddam would have COMPLETELY embarrassed the Bush adm. and the U.N. by proving he had no W.M.D's. Instead he chose a butt kicking.[/quote]How could he have proved he had no WMDs? Bush adm. could've always claimed that the WMDs are hidden under the sand or in some other hard-to-find place, like they did now. I think the Bush adm. has already been COMPLETELY embarrassed and made fools of by not finding a link between Saddam & Osama, and by not finding WMDs.

Orbs

2003-11-04 03:49:40 pm

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

Kwoot:
(And by the way, there *WAS* a Santa Claus (St. Nicholas of Myra), except, as a human being, he died a couple hundred years ago. Too bad WMD's don't have a similar way of expiring.)

This is incorrect, he was the one out of whom Sinterklaas was made. And that's someone different (his day is on the 5th of december though his birthday was on the 6th) he comes from Spain with a boat every year and comes with a bunch of workers (who aren't negros just covered with the ashes from the chimney's where they have to climb down to deliver the presents). And this is a very fun holiday especialy cuz the emphasis is on what you do with your present, a good sinterklaas present at least comes with a poem and a creative way of packing or hiding the gift. Santa claus is just a fat pedofile who shags his rendeers screaming Ho-Ho!and sold out to the big commercial company's. And he even votes Bush, bah what a cunt!

phil

2003-11-05 06:50:33 am

Huhae

Sinterklaas sounds like Santa Claus to me. Either way both have the same origin, even if the latter version has been bastardized by the new generations.

Metaphors dont have to be 100% true. But they must not be 100% false. Comparing years of WMD programs and thwarted inspections to your parents "santa claus fairy tales" makes no sense.

Comparing years of WMD programs and thwarted inspections to, say, a "weasel trying to squirm out of the trap he dug for himself" has at least some truth to it.

How to show you have no WMDs? You give documentation. Weapons arent made spontaneously out of thin air, organizations and companies are made/recruited to manufacture and research them. They have all the data they need. The burden of proof rests on them.

How to show you have no WMDs? How about actually allowing inspectors the right to inspect -- the right which you agreed to grant them in your country, and yet are denying them in practice. For 10 years. Saddam never wanted to show that he had no WMDs because, duh, he had WMDs. There are something like ten years of violations, misconduct, and outright lies recorded by the United Nations: http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline.htm

Anyway this WMD issue is absurd, and to realise why it is absurd and why a lot of other things in the liberal media (a majority of european and american media) right now are absurd, you have to know the history of the American liberal. I have been doing a lot of reading into this history, and it is making me sick. And I'm barely past the "McCarthy" era.

Sinterklaas sounds like Santa Claus to me.  Either way both have the same origin, even if the latter version has been bastardized by the new generations.

Metaphors dont have to be 100% true.  But they must not be 100% false.  Comparing years of WMD programs and thwarted inspections to your parents "santa claus fairy tales" makes no sense.

Comparing years of WMD programs and thwarted inspections to, say, a "weasel trying to squirm out of the trap he dug for himself" has at least some truth to it.

How to show you have no WMDs?  You give documentation.  Weapons arent made spontaneously out of thin air, organizations and companies are made/recruited to manufacture and research them.  They have all the data they need.  The burden of proof rests on them.

How to show you have no WMDs?  How about actually allowing inspectors the right to inspect -- the right which you agreed to grant them in your country, and yet are denying them in practice.  For 10 years.  Saddam never wanted to show that he had no WMDs because, duh, he had WMDs.  There are something like ten years of violations, misconduct, and outright lies recorded by the United Nations: http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline.htm

Anyway this WMD issue is absurd, and to realise why it is absurd and why a lot of other things in the liberal media (a majority of european and american media) right now are absurd, you have to know the history of the American liberal.  I have been doing a lot of reading into this history, and it is making me sick.  And I'm barely past the "McCarthy" era.

Orbs

2003-11-05 08:56:06 pm

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

No the thing wich is absurd is that the country who has the most WMD and who sells the most WMD, is policing other country's that they cannot have WMD. Even while they probably sold and in some cases even gave them themselves. That is what is absurd. (and 100's of other things about your stupid neocolonialistic govournement)

Ofcourse Santa Claus is a rip off. But Santa is supposed to be living somewhere on the northpole and not in Spain.
So get over it, Phil. It's time to admit that he doesn't exist*!
I it might hurt after all those years of believing in Santa, this might hurt,sorry but it's a step you will have to take. Maybe some day you'll even see how fucked up you govournement is

* the part about he shagging the rendeers on the other hand is true

phil

2003-11-06 06:06:10 am

Huhae

So you don't differentiate between a world power having stockpiles, and a lunatic dictator having stockpiles?

Please do list the "100's" of other things about my stupid neocolonialistic government. You can start by saying how it is "neocolonialistic."

Orbs

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Orbs: 2003-11-06 01:59:17 pm

2003-11-06 01:53:32 pm

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

I think bush is a lunatic dictator to, so i don't see a difference

cuz they fucking interfere with politics worldwide especialy when there is some kind of interest for them this has been the case since ww2.

phil

2003-11-08 09:30:55 am

Huhae

Anything to back up the claim that "bush is a lunatic dictator?" Cause otherwise you are just pulling this out of your ass.

And I can tell you a very good reason why "they fucking interfere with politics worldwide especialy when there is some kind of interest for them this has been the case since ww2." The reason is because they WON ww2. They are the VICTORS. As a direct consequence, they are also the ONLY WORLD POWER. The two definitions of "victor of world war 2" and "only world power", if you look them up in the dictionary, those definitions by themselves mean A LOT.

Orbs

2003-11-08 11:07:41 am

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

pff i'm not even going to reply to this