Trojan NES Speedruns EDITED 14.may 2021

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Master-88

EDIT:: 2021. New WR is 6:39 and best SDA speedrun by Dxtr is 6:50. My own current best is 6:56

Well i think this is my next SDA progress if anyone else not are interesting make this. Seriously i really wonder why there is not are run up with this game. Game is quite popular game and its not even rare game.

Speedrun history. with my self
V-1: 08:44 (Done 29th juny 2010)
V-2: 08:15 (Done 29th juny 2010)
V-3: 07:53 (Done 30th juny 2010)
V-4: 07:43 (Done 8th sep 2010)
V-5: 07:38 (Done 8th sep 2010)
V-6: 07:33 (Done 9th sep 2010)
V-7: 07:14 (Done 9th sep 2010)

V8: 7:09 (Done 27th april 2021
V9: 7:03 (Done 3th May 2021
V10: 7:00 (Done 4 May 2021
V11: 6:56 (Done 5 May 2021
V12: 6:53 (Done 13.May 2021)

SDA Record is 6:50 By Dexter
http://speeddemosarchive.com/Trojan.html
World record is 6:39 by Kozz

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MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2010-09-08 12:37:18 pm

2010-09-08 12:35:01 pm

Master-88

7:43 is up in youtube

When i look out TG run thats look i losed 20 seconds level 4 only and several potential seconds with first armadillo. I am really bad with level 4, even practice it my emulator i still losed time TG record. If someone didn,t know TG best time is somewhere 6:57-6:58 used SDA time rules. Im not really try reach beat it. But i´ll try make it close enought. Right now my skill level are enough reach run sub 7.30 run. I´ll hope somedays sub 7:20 or lower. I think skills and speeds got improvement if i keep playing so thats really hard to say how well i can finally goes it.

BTW every critics and comments are welcomed. I´ll are quite serious with this speedrun. I want make accetable run sooner or later if someone else didn,t make it. Right now its seems i am only one who working on this.

ktwo

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ktwo: 2010-09-08 03:56:23 pm

2010-09-08 03:24:02 pm

I liked it, you're improving and I'm glad you're finally going for this. In all honesty, I think you should come down close to or below 7 minutes before submitting. Shaving off 40 seconds or more might seem like a lot, but once you start realize where all the seconds are lost, I think you'll see that you have it in you. If this was only your third attempt today, it's normal that not everything went as planned. You really need to feel that the game physics become natural to you and that will take a while. You need to learn how far a jump will take you, when to slash in a jump, get used to using the shield etc.

On top of what you mentioned (Armadillo, ...), I have the following comments :
- Lots of small execution mistakes. This is normal, just practice and you'll finally get a run with less of those.
- On several occasions you slash while standing instead of doing it while jumping. I know the jumping is awkward (as well as the slashing), so the only thing is to practice until it feels natural. It takes obviously more than three tries, so nothing strange about that. This might seem like small mistakes, but I'm sure they add up to many seconds over a run.
- Same comment as above, but with the shield.
- On the bosses, you're very aggressive. While you take them down fairly quickly in your run, my impression is that the bosses that can block become defensive and you lose time by being too aggressive. I uploaded two short clips on my youtube channel (ktwo666) of the Achilles and the Trojan fights that should be possible to do consistently. If I were you, I'd practice these two fights on emulator to understand how to time the jumps and the slashes. The timing for Iron Arm is also quite particular and I'm sure more practice on him would come to good use.
- Pick up the key before you down in the sewer to collect the second power-up. It's not a huge time saver, but it doesn't add any difficulty either, so there is no reason not to do it...

All in all, by adding lots of small things together, I'm sure you'll be able to have your time quickly drop.

I liked it, you're improving and I'm glad you're finally going for this. In all honesty, I think you should come down close to or below 7 minutes before submitting. Shaving off 40 seconds or more might seem like a lot, but once you start realize where all the seconds are lost, I think you'll see that you have it in you. If this was only your third attempt today, it's normal that not everything went as planned. You really need to feel that the game physics become natural to you and that will take a while. You need to learn how far a jump will take you, when to slash in a jump, get used to using the shield etc.

On top of what you mentioned (Armadillo, ...), I have the following comments :
- Lots of small execution mistakes. This is normal, just practice and you'll finally get a run with less of those.
- On several occasions you slash while standing instead of doing it while jumping. I know the jumping is awkward (as well as the slashing), so the only thing is to practice until it feels natural. It takes obviously more than three tries, so nothing strange about that. This might seem like small mistakes, but I'm sure they add up to many seconds over a run.
- Same comment as above, but with the shield.
- On the bosses, you're very aggressive. While you take them down fairly quickly in your run, my impression is that the bosses that can block become defensive and you lose time by being too aggressive. I uploaded two short clips on my youtube channel (ktwo666) of the Achilles and the Trojan fights that should be possible to do consistently. If I were you, I'd practice these two fights on emulator to understand how to time the jumps and the slashes. The timing for Iron Arm is also quite particular and I'm sure more practice on him would come to good use.
- Pick up the key before you down in the sewer to collect the second power-up. It's not a huge time saver, but it doesn't add any difficulty either, so there is no reason not to do it...

All in all, by adding lots of small things together, I'm sure you'll be able to have your time quickly drop.

MASTER-88

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2010-09-08 03:51:29 pm

Master-88

Thanks Ktwo. Yeah i know its have to be close 7 minutes before submission but as far as i can tell i not still need to beat TG time if i going close enought about it. But i´ll look around how well i can goes this, i didn,t submit before i am did all well enought. Right now its seems 7:20 and under, but maybe my skill level will increased when i keep trying.

Thats just ironic my 7:43 take only two attempts to beat. I just managed 7:38 and its take me near two hours. Many enemys are just luck.

I´ll waiting see your youtube tips. I still haved major troubles especially with Trojan warriors. Even watching TG run several times i still can,t realize that timing to kill him. Akhilles is little easier for me. Yesterday just practice it a lot my emulator. I can even let 197 time remain, but its rare. 195-196 is just my good fight. I still haved little trouble make it constantly, especially if i am nervers enought. but these Trojan warriors are just my major trouble.

BTW:
Thats help me a lot when i did run Rush´n attack casual speedruns couple weeks before i started attempts this one. Its just help me a lot make jumps constantly used d-pad

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I just see your videos. I was very glad especially your Trojan warrior 3-2 i giving more comments your youtube channel. BTW do you can show me how you did Trojan warrior level 6-1? Jump timing might be different here.

Thanks Ktwo. Yeah i know its have to be close 7 minutes before submission but as far as i can tell i not still need to beat TG time if i going close enought about it. But i´ll look around how well i can goes this, i didn,t submit before i am did all well enought. Right now its seems 7:20 and under, but maybe my skill level will increased when i keep trying.

Thats just ironic my 7:43 take only two attempts to beat. I just managed 7:38 and its take me near two hours. Many enemys are just luck.

I´ll waiting see your youtube tips. I still haved major troubles especially with Trojan warriors. Even watching TG run several times i still can,t realize that timing to kill him. Akhilles is little easier for me. Yesterday just practice it a lot my emulator. I can even let 197 time remain, but its rare. 195-196 is just my good fight.  I still haved little trouble make it constantly, especially if i am nervers enought. but these Trojan warriors are just my major trouble.

BTW:
Thats help me a lot when i did  run Rush´n attack casual speedruns couple weeks before i started attempts this one. Its just help me a lot make jumps constantly used d-pad

EDIT:
I just see your videos. I was very glad especially your Trojan warrior 3-2 i giving more comments your youtube channel. BTW do you can show me how you did Trojan warrior level 6-1? Jump timing might be different here.

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2010-09-09 03:40:04 am

Master-88

I look out ktwo videos and practice that myself too on my emulator.

This look avarage succesrate make Trojan warrior quickly increased quite bit its look that key make constant hit are slash and jump immediately when you get hit with land. Thats timing is still very hard realize for me. Even practice it a lot my succesrate seems increased little bit but thats still hard.

Akhilles seems easier for me. I got 10 times successive attempts 196-197 time remain. My strategy are did akhilles without jumping its seems slightly easier realize that timing. But its seems Ktwo and my way are as fast as. Akhilles are still annoying. Muscler caused me some troubles especially first one in level 3-1. If i try got it fast i´ll sometimes got two hits and that mean low energys in 3-2 which usually caused me death. I trying realize that timing too but its seems random. I´ll hope its will be easier on console because i can rapid B more faster.

I´ll try make some attempts later a today. Hopefully can got more faster run. Next goal time will be sub 7:30.

EDIT:
I did myself some boss fights quick kill too. I´ll hope i can did well boss fights my final product. Annoying i can,t make Trojan warriors constantly

EDIT:
Another 5 seconds improvement
I got 7:33
Both Trojan warrior went well enought. Akhilles was decent 194 time remain. Luck with armadillos not was good but i think better than my two previous runs. Level 4-1 was horrible bad looking. I haved real trouble hit with power up and i also did many little error with this level.

Right now my Thumb is extremely hurting. god i hate that constanly jumping

I look out ktwo videos and practice that myself too on my emulator.

This look avarage succesrate make Trojan warrior quickly increased quite bit its look that key make constant hit are slash and jump immediately when you get hit with land. Thats timing is still very hard realize for me. Even practice it a lot my succesrate seems increased little bit but thats still hard.

Akhilles seems easier for me. I got 10 times successive attempts 196-197 time remain. My strategy are did akhilles without jumping its seems slightly easier realize that timing. But its seems Ktwo and my way are as fast as.  Akhilles are still annoying. Muscler caused me some troubles especially first one in level 3-1. If i try got it fast i´ll sometimes got two hits and that mean low energys in 3-2 which usually caused me death.  I trying realize that timing too but its seems random. I´ll hope its will be easier on console because i can rapid B more faster.

I´ll try make some attempts later a today. Hopefully can got more faster run. Next goal time will be sub 7:30.

EDIT:
I did myself some boss fights quick kill too. I´ll hope i can did well boss fights my final product. Annoying i can,t make Trojan warriors constantly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qJ1wCMGh7Q

EDIT:
Another 5 seconds improvement
I got 7:33
Both Trojan warrior went well enought. Akhilles was decent 194 time remain. Luck with armadillos not was good but i think better than my two previous runs. Level 4-1 was horrible bad looking. I haved real trouble hit with power up and i also did many little error with this level.

Right now my Thumb is extremely hurting. god i hate that constanly jumping

MASTER-88

2010-09-09 10:51:32 am

Master-88

Finally really great run. Most things went better than i was thinking especially both armadillos was super lucky and Trojan warriors went better than usually. I´ll post run in youtube and if i can,t redo that i´ll might even submit this

Final time was 7:14. Yeah some bad luck with enemy locations but mostly this run was really good one. Akhilles was only dissappoint thing. i was freaking nerves and thats going little slow (193 time remain) . But yeah this is my first really good speedrun where most luck bases went well enought. Cheesy

Flip

2010-09-09 11:05:01 am

1-Up!

7:14!

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Quote from Flip:

7:14!

Yep 7:14
Its here

I looking it back and thats seems really nice speedrun for me. That total i lost TG run was 14 seconds used levels ingame timer. Thats maybe not very precise timer. I was mostly very happy with this one. There is some dissappoint things like Akhilles and some bad enemy locations waste time. Most important was both armadillo fights was really lucky. Got 170 or so time remain level 2-1 happen me around 10% of the time.

I might be submit this one. Because i think its mostly accetable. Though i like hear comments with you guys. I might try redo that later, but as far as i can tell thats not happen without a lot luck. It was painfully going sub 7:30, i was never believe i can drop time a lot soon and going for sub 7:20 but its requires just only one lucky attempt.

Total times 4-5 hours recording attempts drop time 7:53 to 7:14. Wink

ZenicReverie

2010-09-09 01:49:50 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

sounds like there's potential for it to drop more. Up to you.

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2010-09-09 01:52:41 pm

Master-88

Quote from ZenicReverie:

sounds like there's potential for it to drop more. Up to you.

But not without lots luck. Smiley

TAS limit into game are 6:16 with perfect luck and perfect execution. As long as you reached it you can drop time. My 7:14 was very good looking though.

DK28

2010-09-09 10:58:16 pm

General Kong - Bullets and Bananas

Nice MASTER-88. The final boss fight was pretty hot. Always liked the ending too.

MASTER-88

2010-09-10 05:03:26 am

Master-88

Quote from DK28:

Nice MASTER-88. The final boss fight was pretty hot. Always liked the ending too.

Thanks man. Smiley

Yeah i agree about ending its better than most old NES games. Smiley

ktwo

2010-09-11 10:38:59 am

I'm away for a couple of days and when I'm back you're already sub 7.20. That's great ! I checked your new run and compared it to the tas and the tg run. I agree that you got a bit luckier, but you also had some tough breaks. I think part of the improvement is actually you increasing your skills and not only better luck. You had for example crap luck in the lake and while the second armadillo was taken down fast, you lost time when he appeared on right side for the last hit. It was also bad luck that the armadillo in the first power-up room appeared on the right side.

I don't have any new videos, because I don't think I have found much that is not already in the tg or tas-videos. I have a couple of comments though.
- Check out how the tg runner gets through the first power-up room. The way he jumps over the armadillo when picking up the boot looks faster than how you did it. I tried out his way and it's not hard.
- In the second power-up room, it's clearly slower to start out by killing the axe thrower. And yes, I know it'll be more difficult having him in room in case you get bad luck with the axes thrown at you...
- At the beginning of 4-2, it's faster to pick up the key like in the tg and tas runs. (it's probably easier to have a look for yourself than me trying to explain)
- Against the bosses that come out of the wall just before the last boss, have you tried being a bit more aggressive and take some hits by the stones ? You only lose one hp for each hit, so you can maybe save a couple of seconds by approaching them before all the stones are off-screen. It's a bit risky, but worth looking into, especially if you get a run where you arrive there with close to full health.

You asked about the second Trojan warrior fight. I don't have any other tips than jumping and slashing just before you reach the ground like in the other fight. You need good timing, but once you learn it I believe it makes the fights less luck-dependent than with how you currently do it (it went fast enough in your last run though). The tg run uses the "jump and late slash" method on both Trojan warriors as well as on Achilles, so I'm sure he'd agree if he were around to reply...

With all the talk about Trojan, I thought I should give it a try again on console and see how far I came (when going for speed). I had to stop after 10 minutes. Seriously, my frustration level went through the ceiling... That constant jumping is just killing me... I'm still looking forward seeing a really good speedrun from you though. Keep it up !

I'm away for a couple of days and when I'm back you're already sub 7.20. That's great ! I checked your new run and compared it to the tas and the tg run. I agree that you got a bit luckier, but you also had some tough breaks. I think part of the improvement is actually you increasing your skills and not only better luck. You had for example crap luck in the lake and while the second armadillo was taken down fast, you lost time when he appeared on right side for the last hit. It was also bad luck that the armadillo in the first power-up room appeared on the right side.

I don't have any new videos, because I don't think I have found much that is not already in the tg or tas-videos. I have a couple of comments though.
- Check out how the tg runner gets through the first power-up room. The way he jumps over the armadillo when picking up the boot looks faster than how you did it. I tried out his way and it's not hard.
- In the second power-up room, it's clearly slower to start out by killing the axe thrower. And yes, I know it'll be more difficult having him in room in case you get bad luck with the axes thrown at you...
- At the beginning of 4-2, it's faster to pick up the key like in the tg and tas runs. (it's probably easier to have a look for yourself than me trying to explain)
- Against the bosses that come out of the wall just before the last boss, have you tried being a bit more aggressive and take some hits by the stones ? You only lose one hp for each hit, so you can maybe save a couple of seconds by approaching them before all the stones are off-screen. It's a bit risky, but worth looking into, especially if you get a run where you arrive there with close to full health.

You asked about the second Trojan warrior fight. I don't have any other tips than jumping and slashing just before you reach the ground like in the other fight. You need good timing, but once you learn it I believe it makes the fights less luck-dependent than with how you currently do it (it went fast enough in your last run though). The tg run uses the "jump and late slash" method on both Trojan warriors as well as on Achilles, so I'm sure he'd agree if he were around to reply...

With all the talk about Trojan, I thought I should give it a try again on console and see how far I came (when going for speed). I had to stop after 10 minutes. Seriously, my frustration level went through the ceiling... That constant jumping is just killing me... I'm still looking forward seeing a really good speedrun from you though. Keep it up !

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2010-09-12 05:45:58 am

Master-88

I still planning submit this one. Its surprisely lucky run and i think i can,t going its much faster and constant jumping really killed me too that hurting my thumb so much and i usually make good run with couple attempts otherwise my thumb are way too hurting played game anymore. I enjoy much more playing that game my emulator used computer keyboards used.

I still agree its slightly slower than TG run but i guess these TG runners never visited in SDA. I am watching TG runs couple times. Mamusi level 4-1 is extremely random i practice it my emulator and i usually always lost half aways my energys which is nearly suicide in level itself. Most things i can fix are really minor. I usually lost 10 or more seconds with Trojan warriors and armadillos. Both went really well here. I think i can make some things more aggressive but i never are got good armadillos and Trojan like here thats reason why i really want submit this one.

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2010-09-14 10:10:39 am

Master-88

I am still kept playing, but just my emulator. Even i submited 7:14 run i might withdraw it if i goes faster or find way redo my avarage speed. Otherwise my final time will stay just with this, because nearly everythings went well i as planned and i didn,t find any real things where i can redo it.

But i am did some timing about my best ID levels (played on emulator & savestates used), my 7:14 run and TG run
Level 1:
TG run 157
My run 156
My Best 158

Level 2
TG run 144
My run 147
My best 148

Level 3
TG run 142
My run 141
My best 143

Level 4
TG run 135
My run 128
My best 131

Level 5
TG run 176
My run 174
My best 175

Level 6
TG run 152
My run 149
My best 150

Level 7
TG run 196 (nearly 197)
My run 193
My best 197

Im not know how TG runner are did level 4 so quick this is my biggest pain entire run. His armadillo was nearly perfect lucky. Also i never are beat his time level 5. I am got 175 twice but its never are goes 176 even everythings seems going perfect.

I look his level 6 i think i can going it fast as his used more savestates and making everythings perfectly. Theoretical i can beat game sub 7 minutes if every luck bases went well i planned includes perfect armadillo fights with both encounters. Usually this all is much harder pull off SS speedrun because many things can going wrong.

I have to practice later levels a lot. TG runner are did superb job levels 4, 5, 6 & 7. First three level can goes faster even me. Level 4 can,t even much faster expect if you got totally perfect armadillo 3x1 fight.

BTW Im not seriously understand why i have to beat TG run before first submission. This site is not are TG and most TG player never visited here.

I am still kept playing, but just my emulator. Even i submited 7:14 run i might withdraw it if i goes faster or find way redo my avarage speed. Otherwise my final time will stay just with this, because nearly everythings went well i as planned and i didn,t find any real things where i can redo it.

But i am did some timing about my best ID levels (played on emulator & savestates used), my 7:14 run and TG run 
Level 1: 
TG run 157
My run 156
My Best 158

Level 2
TG run 144
My run 147
My best 148

Level 3
TG run 142
My run 141
My best 143

Level 4
TG run 135
My run 128
My best 131

Level 5
TG run 176
My run 174
My best 175

Level 6
TG run 152
My run 149
My best 150

Level 7
TG run 196 (nearly 197)
My run 193
My best 197

Im not know how TG runner are did level 4 so quick this is my biggest pain entire run. His armadillo was nearly perfect lucky. Also i never are beat his time level 5. I am got 175 twice but its never are goes 176 even everythings seems going perfect.

I look his level 6 i think i can going it fast as his used more savestates and making everythings perfectly. Theoretical i can beat game sub 7 minutes if every luck bases went well i planned includes perfect armadillo fights with both encounters. Usually this all is much harder pull off SS speedrun because many things can going wrong.

I have to practice later levels a lot. TG runner are did superb job levels 4, 5, 6 & 7. First three level can goes faster even me. Level 4 can,t even much faster expect if you got totally perfect armadillo 3x1 fight.

BTW Im not seriously understand why i have to beat TG run before first submission. This site is not are TG and most TG player never visited here.

ZenicReverie

2010-09-14 10:55:41 am

Waiting hurts my soul...

You don't have to beat the time, but it's encouraged that you beat any current records, or get as close to them as possible. So long as the play quality is impressive, it's acceptable.

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2010-09-14 04:25:15 pm

Master-88

Quote from ZenicReverie:

You don't have to beat the time, but it's encouraged that you beat any current records, or get as close to them as possible. So long as the play quality is impressive, it's acceptable.

Yeah i agree you with this. I was pretty sure most verifers was liked and accept my 7:14 run. Its surely better than over 50-75%% accepted "first" speedruns into SDA. But its just Mike choice what he want take up, im not shit care it. If someone was did even high 7 minutes run two year ago it was surely are accetable then and it was are staying up into site. Then my run was are automatically accepted because it was are improvement over previous. Its shit care about TG runs. For example with this are Metroid run. TG run is 16 minutes and SDA run is shy 18 minutes. If someone will did 17 minutes run in SDA i think its automatically accepted because it is improvement but still slower than TG run.

Its six year nobody not are make any run with this game. My 7:14 was already really solid gameplay, as far as i can tell its 2nd best run what ever are created. It was are "superb" first speedrun and awesome starting point.

But like i said its just Mike choice what he want take up into site. He is dictator here like spiderwaffle already said. This is his site and he are allowed change rules and decide what he want take up. Thats just fucking ironic Mike didn,t even post that run up in verification topic because he are decide reject it selfish without needing verification and thats suck compared how well played run this is. Like a lot: Someone was got long sentence for prison without trial.

I might still keep trying if i can goes drop time with my emulator. Thats only hope make faster run. 7:14 90% all things and luck bases went well as i planned its really hard to beat. I didn,t even know where i can redo it more than 5 seconds. Only way is increased avarage speed like crazy.

So im not promise anythings about this. I´ll only make attempts if i can drop much time used heavy amount savestates. Otherwise i´ll let this with this. And that all what i wanted to say with my progress. I also haved my own life and i am busy sometimes. I didn´t haved time spending million hours trying attempts to beat TG "perfect" record.

E: Huh thats long text and includes much information. Its goes little off topic but i´ll hope Mike read this.

[quote="ZenicReverie"]You don't have to beat the time, but it's encouraged that you beat any current records, or get as close to them as possible. So long as the play quality is impressive, it's acceptable.[/quote]

Yeah i agree you with this. I was pretty sure most verifers was liked and accept my 7:14 run. Its surely  better than over 50-75%% accepted "first" speedruns into SDA. But its just Mike choice what he want take up, im not shit care it. If someone was did even high 7 minutes run two year ago it was surely are accetable then and it was are staying up into site.  Then my run was are automatically accepted because it was are improvement over previous. Its shit care about TG runs. For example with this are Metroid run. TG run is 16 minutes and SDA run is shy 18 minutes. If someone will did 17 minutes run in SDA i think its automatically accepted because it is improvement but still slower than TG run.

Its six year nobody not are make any run with this game. My 7:14 was already really solid gameplay, as far as i can tell its 2nd best run what ever are created. It was are "superb" first speedrun and awesome starting point.

But like i said its just Mike choice what he want take up into site. He is dictator here like spiderwaffle already said.  This is his site and he are allowed change rules and decide what he want take up. Thats just fucking ironic Mike didn,t even post that run up in verification topic because he are decide reject it selfish without needing verification and thats suck compared how well played run this is. Like a lot: Someone was got long sentence for prison without trial.

I might still keep trying if i can goes drop time with my emulator. Thats only hope make faster run. 7:14 90% all things and luck bases went well as i planned its really hard to beat. I didn,t even know where i can redo it more than 5 seconds. Only way is increased avarage speed like crazy.

So im not promise anythings about this. I´ll only make attempts if i can drop much time used heavy amount savestates. Otherwise i´ll let this with this. And that all what i wanted to say with my progress. I also haved my own life and i am busy sometimes. I didn´t haved time spending million hours trying attempts to beat TG "perfect" record.

E: Huh thats long text and includes much information. Its goes little off topic but i´ll hope Mike read this.

Vugmer

2010-09-14 08:10:58 pm

Cigar Man

[quote="MASTER-88"]

Quote from ZenicReverie:

He is dictator here like spiderwaffle already said.

Republic! Republic!

mikwuyma

2010-09-14 08:39:50 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

I want to see a master-88 spider-waffle tag team. It would be a flurry of bad spelling, poor thinking, and walls of nonsense.

I posted your run in the topic so verifiers can reject it for not being the fastest time. I'll put you in prison later.

P.S. Samus might be sexy, but she's a a prude. Does she really have to spend all that time in the suit?

tjp7154

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tjp7154: 2010-09-14 09:15:33 pm

2010-09-14 09:14:58 pm

#Casual

Like I said in your YouTube page, Master88:

I actually had this game when I was a kid and -- I wasn't very good. About a couple of months ago, I had UltraJMan play through it during his marathon. It's nice to actually see this game beaten like it were very easy.

Good job.

EDIT: Wow, my new avatar is annoying to look at. It's probably not gonna last long, heh.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2010-09-15 09:00:41 am

MASTER-88: 2010-09-15 08:57:29 am

2010-09-15 08:56:39 am

Master-88

I just did semi TAS run (only used several savestates but all is played real time and without turbo) Its take me around 150-200 save load attempts. I used several savestates per each level and i look out how well i can did with perfect optimizion on console condition.

I got beat TG run by 17 ingame seconds and i beat my own console SS run by 31 ingame seconds. This includes boths totally perfect armadillo encounters 1x4 & 1x3 fights its reason why i am so much faster level 2 than TG run. Chance got both perfect encounter on console are 1/16 & 1/12 attempts so technically this can,t happen on speedrun.

Here its times

Level 1:
TG run 157
My run 156
My Best TAS 159

Level 2
TG run 144
My run 147
My best TAS 154

Level 3
TG run 142
My run 141
My best TAS 143

Level 4
TG run 135
My run 128
My best TAS 138

Level 5
TG run 176
My run 174
My best TAS 176

Level 6
TG run 152
My run 149
My best TAS 153

Level 7
TG run 196 (nearly 197)
My run 193
My best TAS 197 (its usually 196 with perfect fight)

LOL Thats Mike post was just fun. Grin

I still wanna cry because he will put me in prison later: '( But Mike was really fair because he put me up in verification. We can,t wait anymore for you Mike, but do you are sure verifers will reject me? If verifers will reject this run then my 7:14 will staying best run in SDA history which are taking reject. I can,t wait it LOL.

And thanks tjp7154 your comment i am glad you liked my run.

I just did semi TAS run (only used several savestates but all is played real time and without turbo) Its take me around 150-200 save load attempts. I used several savestates per each level and i look out how well i can did with perfect optimizion on console condition.

I got beat TG run by 17 ingame seconds and i beat my own console SS run by 31 ingame seconds.  This includes boths totally perfect armadillo encounters 1x4 & 1x3 fights its reason why i am so much faster level 2 than TG run. Chance got both perfect encounter on console are 1/16 & 1/12 attempts so technically this can,t happen on speedrun.

Here its times

Level 1:
TG run 157
My run 156
My Best TAS 159

Level 2
TG run 144
My run 147
My best TAS 154

Level 3
TG run 142
My run 141
My best TAS 143

Level 4
TG run 135
My run 128
My best TAS 138

Level 5
TG run 176
My run 174
My best TAS 176

Level 6
TG run 152
My run 149
My best TAS 153

Level 7
TG run 196 (nearly 197)
My run 193
My best TAS 197 (its usually 196 with perfect fight)

LOL Thats Mike post was just fun. ;D I still wanna cry because he will put me in prison later: '(  But Mike was really fair because he put me up in verification. We can,t wait anymore for you Mike, but do you are sure verifers will reject me? If verifers will reject this run then my 7:14 will staying best run in SDA history which are taking reject. I can,t wait it LOL.

And thanks tjp7154 your comment i am glad you liked my run.

ZenicReverie

2010-09-15 10:01:40 am

Waiting hurts my soul...

Quote from mikwuyma:

P.S. Samus might be sexy, but she's a a prude. Does she really have to spend all that time in the suit?

She's horribly disfigured underneath it. Keep the mystery alive.

Quote from MASTER-88:

Chance got both perfect encounter on console are 1/16 & 1/12 attempts so technically this can,t happen on speedrun.

So, a 1 in 192 chance is something you consider impossible?

I hope you'll keep trying, but I understand if you want to move on already. Good luck with verification.

MASTER-88

2010-09-17 08:08:36 am

Master-88

Quote:

So, a 1 in 192 chance is something you consider impossible?

I hope you'll keep trying, but I understand if you want to move on already. Good luck with verification.

I am sorry my little mathematical typo. I already said its 1/16 & 1/12 got perfect armadillos encounters was wrong. My brother are expert with mathematic and he counted its 1/256 & 1/64 chances got perfect armadillos on console. And yeah i consider it impossible because there is extremely little chance are lucky like this.

I am did some hours recorded attempts my console. I am only reached level 4 once with accetable attempts but i fuck it because i didn,t find speed up quickly and thats mean reset. Even then i was around 2 seconds behind my 7:14 run. I accept 168 armadillo level 2 if i am fast enought level 1. I am got at least 4-5 attempts 167-170 armadillo but i usually die level 3.

Seriously im not caring take stress with this run. I was personally truly happy my 7:14 run. Though i am extremely happy if i can reach 7:05 or sub 7 minutes run.

My savestate run was 6:40 thats includes both perfect armadillo encounters and run includes very minor amount other mistakes so i am allowed did only very minor amount mistakes if i mean reach sub 7 minutes run.

Next i want told im not want take any stress with this one. I maybe never reached sub 7 minutes run but i´ll keep make some recorded attempts and i´ll wish i am lucky enought.

[quote]So, a 1 in 192 chance is something you consider impossible?

I hope you'll keep trying, but I understand if you want to move on already. Good luck with verification.[/quote]

I am sorry my little mathematical typo. I already said its 1/16 & 1/12 got perfect armadillos encounters was wrong. My brother are expert with mathematic and he counted its 1/256 & 1/64 chances got perfect armadillos on console. And yeah i consider it impossible because there is extremely little chance are lucky like this.

I am did some hours recorded attempts my console. I am only reached level 4 once with accetable attempts but i fuck it because i didn,t find speed up quickly and thats mean reset. Even then i was around 2 seconds behind my 7:14 run.  I accept 168 armadillo level 2 if i am fast enought level 1. I am got at least 4-5 attempts 167-170 armadillo but i usually die level 3.

Seriously im not caring take stress with this run. I was personally truly happy my 7:14 run. Though i am extremely happy if i can reach 7:05 or sub 7 minutes run.

My savestate run was 6:40 thats includes both perfect armadillo encounters and run includes very minor amount other mistakes so i am allowed did only very minor amount mistakes if i mean reach sub 7 minutes run.

Next i want told im not want take any stress with this one. I maybe never reached sub 7 minutes run but i´ll keep make some recorded attempts and i´ll wish i am lucky enought.

dxtr

2013-01-14 04:18:25 pm

Speedrunner

After my record. I've picked up this game ones more. I like it. It's fun. It's short.

Time so far: 6:44
http://sv.twitch.tv/dxtrslab/c/1836907

Im hoping to drop even more. My goal is 6:35. I can do the stages quite consistant. It all comes down to Armadillos.

WunUnknownPlayer

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WunUnknownPlayer: 2013-01-14 06:30:15 pm

2013-01-14 05:45:35 pm

Is there no way to find out how the TAS manipulates the Armadillo fights? BTW, I was watching another caster that is running this game consistent at 6:50 (his best is 6:48). Keep up the great work (and you are all making me want to pick up this game too... too bad Castlevania II has what little time I have available right now).