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Master-88
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i watched your 17:16 and thats pretty good. And I'm glad I mentioned that you probably could get under those 'nades. Would you have tried that otherwise?


Im not already trying that. I already watch Jim run and he didn,t use that i just thinking it was impossible. But yeah it does work very well. This is probably only new trick what i don,t see already in SDA.

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Seems like you played well, your boss 7 seemed slower than normal but others were done well.

Level 7 boss was as fast as Jim. Yeah it can be done 3-4 seconds faster. It just requires hellishly firing.

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Good job man, if you submit that good luck on the submission


Thanks. Smiley I really need luck. Hopefully it is good enought. Tongue
bläää
sounds good. So now you believe that sub 17 is possible just as I sayed? Smiley So now you have to hurry and eat up those words about eating your hat before someone will actually pull of a sub 17 run Wink

The same with me. I have never watched your 17:36 run because I was at MAGfest too. And I am fooling around in Washington for a few more days before I get home and will take the time to watch this new 17:16 run.

anyways, god job improving it dude!
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MASTER-88: 2009-01-08 01:04:28 pm
Master-88
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sounds good. So now you believe that sub 17 is possible just as I sayed?  So now you have to hurry and eat up those words about eating your hat before someone will actually pull of a sub 17 run


Haa. Ok i eat my words because im not care eat my hat in the future. Grin

But seriously sub 17 minutes PAL are quite same as sub 14 minutes on US. I think my run looks quite much 14.06-14.16 on US. But it is very hard to say exact how fast this is.

But it is still stanard and i hope verifier accept this run, because it is very good and i really make my best..

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anyways, god job improving it dude!


Thanks. Wink
Master-88
My run is available in verification topic. I need verifers with this. Wink

I am watching my own run about 5-times. This looks i don,t got any major time losts my run and this make me quite happy. But yah there is some minor ones. But anyway ball is Mike and verifer team now. I only can wait and look what happen.
I know this has nothing to do with the run and maybe shouldn't even be posted here, but I'm gonna say it anyway Smiley

Wouldn't it be an idea to also (if this run get's accepted) have 'Probotector 2' in the games list and maybe if you click then redirect to Super C page where it says that Probotector 2 would be the european name for Super C or something?

Same would go with Ninja gaiden and Shadow Warriors. (shadow warriors is the european name for ninja gaiden)
This would be handy for those europeans that don't know that the american version is called differently.
I didn't even know Super C was probotector 2, becuause you also got Super Probotector (don't know the american name for it;p).
Yes it can get a bit confusing at times. Just a thought.
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
This will happen eventually but it will be cleaner than that. Smiley Each game will have metadata for its name in different languages/regions and then depending on which you select for the game list, all the games will be listed that way.
Master-88
Pah this run take reject. Mainly because my quality was too bad. :-[

I don,t know what wrong with this. My opinion my video quality looks very good in youtube. This really surprised me why this reject my run and i don,t believe i can affect with this in future, even if i can make faster run it surely got reject for poor quality.

But im sorry with this. This looks too i need make 10 seconds faster run. This is surely stanards of the SDA. But mainly i need plan how i improve my video quality. I don,t understand much about DVD settings.

This started piss me off, but i hope you will hear my runs in future.
Master-88
Well my new record:

17.05 (no deaths)

11-seconds faster than my rejected run. +I using high quality settings with my DVD. I hope SDA- accept this. I think i don,t going post that on youtube. I think i will post that in SDA only. I spend about 6 hours re recording my run today.

Boss battles went much better this time. Level 7 run was riskier than last time. Level 8 don,t look good like last time. I just got much nervous mistakes here, but i think i don,t really lost much time. Otherwhise this was very good i hope it is accetable this time. Anyway.

I think this is about as good as Jim run. Most my bosses went faster than Jim IMO. But levels are quite same. Level 8 is slower than Jim run. I just make some errors here. But i only hope this level only not reject my awesome run.



Anyway this is only 2.59 slower than WR on US versio. This must be SDA stanard and i hope it is accetable. +Quality is better now. Wink
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Arctic_Eagle: 2009-01-18 04:42:32 pm
Congratulations MASTER-88. That sounds quite impressive!

The Super-C/Probotector II verifiers seems to be really strict, tough luck.

I actually have a NTSC-Rygar run ready at 26.01, that's over 4 minutes of improvement on the Rygar run here at SDA (30:30 accepted by the Rygar-verifiers).
Master-88
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Congratulations MASTER-88. That sounds quite impressive!


Thanks. It is quite good run. It is ironic there is still many place where i can save some seconds my time. I run 6-first levels through really fast. Level 7 looks better, but it is still sometimes quite cautions. But riskier run would be suicide here.

Level 8 i check out this and i timed i make something 4-5 seconds pure mistakes here. Luckily end level doing quite quickly and boss battle was fast S-weapon fight (before laser come out).

I think in theory 16.50-16.55 is very potential run. But first i want send this run in SDA, i look forvard try i improve that in future. But this must be quite accetable if quality is fine.

I submit this today this VOB file is quite huge it probably took many hours when Nate take this.
Yeah, Probotector II/Super C is among my 25 favorite NES-games. Good job!

Can't believe the verifiers rejected a 14.20 Super-C NTSC-run when there was no Super-C run at SDA either, that's harsh. I guess a 17.05 PAL-run "equals" 14.13 NTSC or something like that.
My feelings on The Demon Rush
Just want to quote some classic Master-88 here.

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I like my hat if anyone seriously can got sub 17.30  i promise eat my hat without salt. Grin
But i don,t still want break my wii remote. It is still so close since i always miss my game on level 6.


I'd like it if you sauteed your hat and put a little lemon on top for flavor. I better see some youtube footage soon Tongue
Master-88
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Yeah, Probotector II/Super C is among my 25 favorite NES-games. Good job!

Can't believe the verifiers rejected a 14.20 Super-C NTSC-run when there was no Super-C run at SDA either, that's harsh. I guess a 17.05 PAL-run equals 14.15 NTSC or something like that.


Yeah Jim rejected run was 14.26. I as well surprised, because it sounds 14.26 are amazing run too.

I don,t sure how fast my run looks on US. But as well believe it is somewhere between 14.05-14.15. I think i am not faster than Jim, even i make some things faster than him. But i make as well much more mistakes in level 8.

But i still hope it is accetable this time because this run is stanard of the SDA. And intemediate players can,t see differences between my and Jim run.

BTW i finally completed uploading (after 11h & 36 min). Now i wait decission again. Hopefully it is accetable this time. Wink

EDIT:
Haa Mike you remember my comments. Seriously 17.30 sound really hardcore time to reach. Now i beat it by 25 seconds and looks there is still some mistakes.
contraddicted
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Haa Mike you remember my comments. Seriously 17.30 sound really hardcore time to reach. Now i beat it by 25 seconds and looks there is still some mistakes.


There's no way you could take yourself out of this Tongue

You promised it and now we want to see footage that shows you eating your hat. To me you're fine doing it with salt, but I want to see that hat being chewed and swallowed piece by piece Grin
Master-88
Huh. Tongue
Probably i writing my time limit wrong? I probably mean to say sub 16.30? Grin



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MASTER-88: 2009-02-04 02:08:46 am
Master-88
Bad news. Again i got rejected, my 17.05 run. Mike say i need 10-20 seconds so it is definitely accept. Tongue

Level 8 mostly reject my run, because i already told here this level was quite rough. I simply paniced and this looks quite stupid sometimes, i timed i make 5-seconds mistakes when level started. But yeah this looks i need set my next goal 16.55 & under it. As well level 7 was quite too much cautions, even this was better than last time, i can take more risk. Sometimes i was faster than Jim too. Level 1 run looks really good. Some verifers even accept this.

All this work and i got reject. This piss me off hell yeah, but wish me luck, i really need it, my next attempt. Roll Eyes

BTW:
Video coming in youtube later today.
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MASTER-88: 2009-02-04 01:06:40 pm
Master-88
My rejected run 17.05

Sorry guys:
Part 1/2:


Part 2/2:


Next time i need stand back of my words. And i need got sub 17 minutes and eat my hat if i can got it. Grin

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Current best time 16.59.  LEvel 8 was mostly better this time. I think this run is about as good as Jim run. I am quite tired try make that better. Tongue
Under 17 minutes limit are finally broken.

I dont, say anything is this good enought, because this looks Super-C verifer team are so harsh.

E:*****************************************************************************
I trying improve that 16.59 and this looks i can,t make it any faster. I can,t got lead this run.  I think lowest possible time on PAL versio are somewhere 16.50 and everything under seems impossible if you don,t have turbo controlls or something which make your firing hyper fast.

I think send that 16.59 to Nate if Mike allow it.

I didn,t know what Mike mean my 4th boss battle this is not that slow IMO. Seriously IMO there is no faster way firing it down. I know if you killed him middle of the room it explode 0,5-0,8 seconds faster, but this is very minor one. But actually this method make my battle looks really crap.

Level 7 run was riskier in my new run. But i think Jim was still little bit faster here. But otherwhise i save my time in level 1 grenades and level 2 looks little bit faster for my run.

As well level 3-mini boss was 1 seconds faster and level 5 boss as well.

Level 8 was a lot cooler than my last run. I only make 3-4 stops and both was very minor ones. My last run level 8 looks horrible, but this time i didn,t make major time losts.

I believe my run looks at most 5-seconds slower than Jim run. So this must be accetable soon, because seriously there is no rooms where i personally can save time.

I hope verifers read this (who reject my nice  17.05 run). Even this one is only 6 seconds faster. Most my mistakes my 17.05 run are only 0,2-0,5 seconds, so 6-seconds faster run looks quite much better.  Because it seems this are very close max limit on console.

EDIT AGAIN:
I send my 16.59 run to Nate. I just ask for Mike what make my rejection last time. I hear level 8 was main reason with this. I promise my level 8 looks much more cooler this time. But i don,t promise anything else, because my last run was done very well. IMO level 7 looks little bit riskier too. But i don,t still skip extra spider pod here. I plan skip it, but somereason spider pod rhythm was not right, so i just think this was too big risk. But otherwhise 6-first level was cool, actually as same speed as last time IMO.

Anyway ball is Mike and verifers again. I think i can make sometimes random attempts try improve this, but i believe i can,t make faster than 16.55 so 16.59 is very close my max goal. anyway. I hope nice day with everybody. Wink

EDIT AGAIN AGAIN*****************

I am just little drunk. So i have much things what i can say. I watch my new run 4th times day today. I´ve must be say this looks so cool. As well Jim run looks so cool. I am watching Jim run about 5 times and i always loved it.

But i have to say i never ever believe i can reach under 17 minutes goal and imagine how good it looks. Last time i was very dissapoint my last level. and this looks all verifers was too dissapoint with this. My new run looks lot my previous run where i fixed one my most horrible part this time.

Sorry long post, but i loved my life and my latest job. But seriously there is still room where i can run faster. How ironic? Grin
contraddicted
Because you keep posting time marks that you regard as the limit for a SP II run, i just ran through that game myelf.
I took the PAL version of course and an invincibility cheat Grin
I did not however save time because of this. I didn't jump through a falling ceiling, ran through the bubbles without stopping or just kept standing up while shooting at the level 3 miniboss. I also used no autofire, but relied on my thumb. I tried this two times and ended with a 16:36 and with a 16:28.

And as my boss fights would be clearly improvable, the fire gun was not used and I also didn't do every jump perfect, I claim 16:30 is possible. You may need to get into frezy_man shape and have an ass of luck too for that, but it is not humanly impossible.

I'd also recommend you to get the VLC player and watch your run and Jim's run in parallel. Just lower down playback speed for Jims run until both run at the same speed. Then you will see, that the time you lost in your 17:05 run is not only lost in level 8, but on several occasions before. Tiny, tiny mistakes add up to seconds Sad

Again, i believe what you have called an unbeatable time will soon be beaten by you by several seconds Cheesy

Just to let you know, you have to keep your word about doing the nasty with the hat this time. I took Mike's mom hostage and you won't be told the outcome of the verification until there is video footage showing you eating your hat ;D;D;D
bläää
We have to see at least a pics of you eating your hat Master  Grin

seriously. Great running but you need a bit more before you can submit it. I am sure you can do this. And when you will get it, you will be even more proud.

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I am just little drunk. So i have much things what i can say. I watch my new run 4th times day today. I´ve must be say this looks so cool. As well Jim run looks so cool. I am watching Jim run about 5 times and i always loved it.


Hey. It is a Wednesday. *cheers*

Watch your and VGmr´s run a few more times. you will notice where you can be even faster. I am sure of that you could get a run between 16:45-50. Sounds hard I know. But I guess you would be capable of doing that Wink
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MASTER-88: 2009-02-04 10:22:06 pm
Master-88
Yeah wednesday or not, but it it is fun. Grin

Not take offense but i submit it. I think Jim run on PAL are 16.55. Seriously i can,t see 16.28 is really possible. Yeah invisbly cheats make all easy to make. Without it this game is fucking hard and luck base. You need good reflex sometimes.

Frezyman?
reject you my run last time?

Sorry about questions? But this sounds little bit you reject.
But i understand with this. But you will see my 16.59, this looks so good. There is no mistakes level 8.

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We have to see at least a pics of you eating your hat Master

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I promise this PIC if SDA accept my run Grin
I don,t know is this under 17 minutes yet. I timed it is 16.59.42. Grin
bläää
The verification progress is super secret
Roll Eyes

Good luck with the new one though.  8)
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MASTER-88: 2009-02-05 01:00:49 pm
Master-88
Why?

Sometimes someone tell who are. Roll Eyes

But i hope this my new run make verifers happy enought. Wink

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I make some timed my new run compared rejected run. My level 8 was 4-seconds faster this time. Other two seconds are otherwhise game. I guess level 2 was faster than Jim run even i need dodge one bullet.
contraddicted
Quote from MASTER-88:
Not take offense but i submit it. I think Jim run on PAL are 16.55. Seriously i can,t see 16.28 is really possible. Yeah invisbly cheats make all easy to make. Without it this game is fucking hard and luck base. You need good reflex sometimes.


I'm surely not taking any offense Wink
Jim's run would be very close to 16:55. Though on PAL he might gain some seconds overall, as he suffered from lag sometimes because of keeping a horde of enemies behind him.
And if I wouldn't need cheats to perform better than the guys having their runs up or submitting, I'd get an NES and a catridge myself Grin
I just wanted to prove you, that 16:50 is by no means an absolute limit. Not even 16:30 is. If you look at the runs for Contra or SMB1, their former runs were already considered great and nearly unbeatable. But over time second by second was shaved off. Now they rather look like a TAS than a normal speedrun.
By that standards 16:30 is easily possible. I didn't want to say that such a run is likely to come soon, neither that getting sub 17:00 on PAL or the game itself would be easy.
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MASTER-88: 2009-02-05 05:23:30 pm
Master-88
Yeah i agree this run is not like SMB 1 run. SMB 1 run are only perfect run in whole site IMO. and this looks you still can cut 4-5 seconds using all TAS tricks. But thats not sounds very human

Even Frezy awesome Contra 1 run are possible beat. Even this is one coolest Nes run on whole site there is still some  time losts compared that with current TAS run.

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Yeah timed some things. I make total 12-14 seconds mistakes/wrong intentions my new run and i don,t count very minor ones (example 0,1-0,5 seconds mistakes): (16.46-16.48 are really potential) But how hard it is make, i can,t even imagine? Because this game is random, hard and there is a lot way miss whole run instantly. I one time mess up my very good run attempt in spider pods area and i look back i see i have 1-2 seconds lead my current run. But somereason spider rhythm was wrong and i die. How much this piss off/frustrating? All work must be do again.

Jim run are something 16.56 with PAL speed (Mike timed it last time) so my new current run is 16.59, i don,t personally see point take rejected this time. My biggest time lost was 3-seconds when i kill extra spider pod. Otherwhise i was identical as fast as Jim. I make some things faster and as make some more mistakes than Jim. But difference are only 3-seconds and if i got reject this looks Super-C verifer team are really harch and this will requires 3-more seconds faster run.

But both runs are different and seriously avarage watcher can,t see any difference between Jim and my run.

If i talking about seriously i was quite dissapoint when i got reject last time. But i agree my multiple horrible mistakes in level 8, make this run looks quite sloppy. This time i was 4-seconds faster here and this looks much better IMO. And believe verifers agree this too.  Otherwhise you can,t see faster run than last time. But i am very happy my new run and i really think this must be good enought into site. But all depend can i got one more accept vote. Wink
Master-88
This looks my 16.59 run are accepted.

Thats amazing. After all this work this finally was good enought into site. I am happy.  Cheesy

Comment is as well sending from Mike. He post that run into verification topic later week. Smiley