Super C

andrewg

2008-12-18 05:04:26 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

EDIT: Thanks Master-88! Cheesy

And I do play other games besides Super Mario Bros. Wink

Even vgmr's first submission got rejected and it was a good run too. Master-88, even though your run is good, it seems like there are just a few improvements that could be made up.

EDIT2: Master-88, I think your level 4 boss fight was fast, but I think when the boss is killed on the very left or right edge of the screen it takes longer for the boss to explode.

MASTER-88

2008-12-18 05:33:18 pm

Master-88

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And no, I don't want to see you brake your remote. I couldn't stand watching a friend throwing his controller on the floor when failing at something and for a Wiimote I'd even have an actual use. I go for the hat

I like my hat if anyone seriously can got sub 17.30 i promise eat my hat without salt. Grin

But i don,t still want break my wii remote. It is still so close since i always miss my game on level 6.

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Your 18:02 is good, really. But still there's plenty of little things left. When you walk up uphill you don't jump most of the time, especially in Area 5 this is obvious. It's hard to estimate, but I guess this adds up to quite some seconds over the whole run

Yeah level 5 again is no my best. Fucking bullet flying vertical up, so i have two choises:
1-Wait 1-2 seconds
2-Or die

I choose number one. Grin

Yeah more better platforms jumps can save second or two. But aswell Jim take too much risks and he mess up jumps too.

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EDIT: Thanks Master-88! And I do play other games besides Super Mario Bros.

Yeah i know. Were wolf last warrior run rock too. You are awesome every Nes games.

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EDIT2: Master-88, I think your level 4 boss fight was fast, but I think when the boss is killed on the very left or right edge of the screen it takes longer for the boss to explode.

Thanks. This was first easy way save some minor seconds. I always plan: Save those things my run total time. I just thing animations still took good while, even where i located.

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Even vgmr's first submission got rejected and it was a good run too. Master-88, even though your run is good, it seems like there are just a few improvements that could be made up.

This piss me off seriously. How Vgrmn first submission are reject, because his cleartime was amazing 14.26? Many other games on SDA has crappy clear time but still accept. I cant understand this. Roll Eyes

[quote]And no, I don't want to see you brake your remote. I couldn't stand watching a friend throwing his controller on the floor when failing at something and for a Wiimote I'd even have an actual use. I go for the hat 
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I like my hat if anyone seriously can got sub 17.30  i promise eat my hat without salt. ;D
But i don,t still want break my wii remote. It is still so close since i always miss my game on level 6.

[quote]Your 18:02 is good, really. But still there's plenty of little things left. When you walk up uphill you don't jump most of the time, especially in Area 5 this is obvious. It's hard to estimate, but I guess this adds up to quite some seconds over the whole run[/quote]

Yeah level 5 again is no my best. Fucking bullet flying vertical up, so i have two choises:
1-Wait 1-2 seconds 
2-Or die

I choose number one. ;D 
Yeah more better platforms jumps can save second or two. But aswell Jim take too much risks and he mess up jumps too.

[quote]EDIT: Thanks Master-88!   And I do play other games besides Super Mario Bros. [/quote]

Yeah i know. Were wolf last warrior run rock too. You are awesome every Nes games.

[quote]EDIT2: Master-88, I think your level 4 boss fight was fast, but I think when the boss is killed on the very left or right edge of the screen it takes longer for the boss to explode.[/quote]

Thanks. This was first easy way save some minor seconds. I always plan: Save those things my run total time. I just thing animations still took good while, even where i located.

[quote]Even vgmr's first submission got rejected and it was a good run too. Master-88, even though your run is good, it seems like there are just a few improvements that could be made up.[/quote]

This piss me off seriously. How Vgrmn first submission are reject, because his cleartime was amazing 14.26? Many other games on SDA has crappy clear time but still accept. I cant understand this. ::)

65

2008-12-18 06:56:19 pm

It's because Mike doesn't know those games and so he has to depend on other people's opinions who don't know any better instead of passing his own Absolute Judgment, obviously. It might have something to do about people actually knowing the game well and that the improvements are more or less obvious for this type of game, too (at least to a certain point).

So the game's released for the Wii, too, huh? I might try it out some day. Can I see a picture of that hat you will be eating? Grin

mikwuyma

2008-12-18 07:51:57 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Master-88, you've definitely improved a lot over a week, and you're getting very close to an acceptable run, but there are a couple of things that still really irk me.

-You need to find a better strategy for the third boss, you are losing a lot of time there.

-Isn't it possible to go through the bubbles nonstop with the spread gun? I know vgmr does it in his run.

-Why do you cross over to the left in Stage 6? It's not necessary and you lose time from all of the diagonal walking.

-You need to figure out a better strategy for the bugs coming out from the sides. Wouldn't staying on the right while walking straight up and shooting them work?

-I'm not sure why you pause so much at the beginning of stage 8. Especially since it's easy to destroy what comes out of the mouths with the spread gun.

About vgmr's first run and bad times: The Super C verification team was very critical, and as you can guess, I was on it. As you might know, not everyone is as critical as the people who verified Super C.

Master-88, you've definitely improved a lot over a week, and you're getting very close to an acceptable run, but there are a couple of things that still really irk me.

-You need to find a better strategy for the third boss, you are losing a lot of time there.

-Isn't it possible to go through the bubbles nonstop with the spread gun? I know vgmr does it in his run.

-Why do you cross over to the left in Stage 6? It's not necessary and you lose time from all of the diagonal walking.

-You need to figure out a better strategy for the bugs coming out from the sides. Wouldn't staying on the right while walking straight up and shooting them work?

-I'm not sure why you pause so much at the beginning of stage 8. Especially since it's easy to destroy what comes out of the mouths with the spread gun.

About vgmr's first run and bad times: The Super C verification team was very critical, and as you can guess, I was on it. As you might know, not everyone is as critical as the people who verified Super C.

Frezy_man

2008-12-19 12:02:20 am

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ey, you keep improving Wink

Quote from MASTER-88:

There is hundreds way die. But check out my new run this level looks better.

New run
Part 1:

part 2:

I played some and watched this run and Jims run so here is some new comments.

I see a bunch of places where Jim is faster. and not that many when you are faster then him.
The last boss in level 3 is one of the most obvious places. I guess you are 5 seconds slower then Jim. And I am 2 seconds faster then Jim with the Strategy I am using.
I just fire the eye straight from below. And I start jumping when those four smaller, lets call them "Machine-balls" appears. If you keep jumping you should get jump nr. 4 or 5 (can´t remember) so you are located very close to the lower Machine-ball just when they shot. This way the lower "Machine-ball" will totally miss you shoting left or right. You have time to keep firing for one more jump before you dodge. If you have not done that already. This way you can kill this boss faster. I can do it over and over again.

Another BIG mistake you do is in Stage 4 when you take "S" which make your gun slower. If I am not totally lost here... In Contra for NES I found out that it make no sense. And on my Super C ROM it did slow down. And it looks like it does in your run too Tongue

And then, the boss in Stage 5. you did kill him 2, maybe 3 seconds slower then Jim or something. You should do some practice there. it is not very hard to kill him as fast as Jim. If you should have read his comments ( which is always good Wink

) Then you should be able to read this:

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I don't immediately start shooting the boss because of what the TASers discovered: "Note that the boss can be hit sooner, but cannot be damaged sooner. In fact, hitting him before he was vulnerable appeared to slow him down in getting vulnerable." I tested this theory, and from what I can tell, it's true.

And all you pretty much have to do is to shot one enemy which is not random before the point where you can start fire the boss. and from there you should be able to kill him in 3 seconds instead of jumping like a Maniac Grin

And as I can tell, the comments from the TASsers is true.

Stage 7: both you and Jim do not edge jumping. I seriously think one single edge jump saves almost one second. And there is always room for at least one on the first part before all those bubbles you have to shot trough, and a bunch of edge jumps after that. It looks like the bubble part is where you have to pay for not have "R"
and the boss due to my calculation you are 14 seconds (I count PAL seconds) slower then me fighting this one and about 12 seconds slower then Jim. This is because of three things.
1. Not using "Turbo"/"R".
2. You move left and right.
3. You probably do not shot as fast as me. But that is just a very minor thing.

Stage 8: Check out Jims run again. He knows exactly how to handle the power ups and shooting those mouths and does not stop as much as you. This is not that much about reflex. I am sure you do not have to stop that much with more practice. You do not need more skills. just knowledge Wink

you also turn around in the easier seconds part of the level. I do not find it hard to shot those aliens with downward bullets when they are enough close.
Final boss I do not know what you mean with dying save time. What I can tell Jim kills the boss about 3 seconds then you with his Fire weapon. But I would keep with spread because I can kill him about 1 seconds faster then Jim with S + "R".

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-Isn't it possible to go through the bubbles nonstop with the spread gun? I know vgmr does it in his run.

IIRC, it is random. it is rare that you die but it happens. a fast stop or two shooting upward always prevent you from dying.

ey, you keep improving ;)

[quote="MASTER-88"]
There is hundreds way die. But check out my new run this level looks better.

New run
Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MikfQI7bKk

part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFVxRB790Q0
[/quote]

I played some and watched this run and Jims run so here is some new comments.

I see a bunch of places where Jim is faster. and not that many when you are faster then him.
The last boss in level 3 is one of the most obvious places. I guess you are 5 seconds slower then Jim. And I am 2 seconds faster then Jim with the Strategy I am using.
I just fire the eye straight from below. And I start jumping when those four smaller, lets call them "Machine-balls" appears. If you keep jumping you should get jump nr. 4 or 5 (can´t remember) so you are located very close to the lower Machine-ball just when they shot. This way the lower "Machine-ball" will totally miss you shoting left or right. You have time to keep firing for one more jump before you dodge. If you have not done that already. This way you can kill this boss faster. I can do it over and over again.

Another BIG mistake you do is in Stage 4 when you take "S" which make your gun slower. If I am not totally lost here... In Contra for NES I found out that it make no sense. And on my Super C ROM it did slow down. And it looks like it does in your run too :P

And then, the boss in Stage 5. you did kill him 2, maybe 3 seconds slower then Jim or something. You should do some practice there. it is not very hard to kill him as fast as Jim. If you should have read his comments ( which is always good ;) ) Then you should be able to read this:
[quote]I don't immediately start shooting the boss because of what the TASers discovered: "Note that the boss can be hit sooner, but cannot be damaged sooner. In fact, hitting him before he was vulnerable appeared to slow him down in getting vulnerable." I tested this theory, and from what I can tell, it's true.[/quote] 
And all you pretty much have to do is to shot one enemy which is not random before the point where you can start fire the boss. and from there you should be able to kill him in 3 seconds instead of jumping like a Maniac  ;D And as I can tell, the comments from the TASsers is true.

Stage 7: both you and Jim do not edge jumping. I seriously think one single edge jump saves almost one second. And there is always room for at least one on the first part before all those bubbles you have to shot trough, and a bunch of edge jumps after that. It looks like the bubble part is where you have to pay for not have "R"
[b]and the boss[/b] due to my calculation you are 14 seconds (I count PAL seconds) slower then me fighting this one and about 12 seconds slower then Jim. This is because of three things.
1. Not using "Turbo"/"R".
2. You move left and right.
3. You probably do not shot as fast as me. But that is just a very minor thing.

Stage 8: Check out Jims run again. He knows exactly how to handle the power ups and shooting those mouths and does not stop as much as you. This is not that much about reflex. I am sure you do not have to stop that much with more practice. You do not need more skills. just knowledge ;) you also turn around in the easier seconds part of the level. I do not find it hard to shot those aliens with downward bullets when they are enough close.
[b]Final boss[/b] I do not know what you mean with dying save time. What I can tell Jim kills the boss about 3 seconds then you with his Fire weapon. But I would keep with spread because I can kill him about 1 seconds faster then Jim with S + "R".

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[b]-Isn't it possible to go through the bubbles nonstop with the spread gun? I know vgmr does it in his run.[/b]

IIRC, it is random. it is rare that you die but it happens. a fast stop or two shooting upward always prevent you from dying.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2008-12-19 09:28:56 am

2008-12-19 09:20:50 am

Master-88

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I see a bunch of places where Jim is faster. and not that many when you are faster then him

Yeah you are right. There is no places where i was faster. But as well this Jim run was near perfect. I see only mistakes in level 2 & level 3 & 4 boss can faster. Otherwise his run was near perfect and very lucky job.

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The last boss in level 3 is one of the most obvious places. I guess you are 5 seconds slower then Jim. And I am 2 seconds faster then Jim with the Strategy I am using.

Yeah i timed my battle was about 5-seconds slower than my best fight ever. I just mess up kill him quickly. But this is just random IMO. This is weird boss. It looks it take always random amount damage and it make it very rare time beat this perfectly.

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Another BIG mistake you do is in Stage 4 when you take "S" which make your gun slower. If I am not totally lost here... In Contra for NES I found out that it make no sense. And on my Super C ROM it did slow down. And it looks like it does in your run too

Now you mean level 6?
Yeah there i take S-weapon and lost my rapid fire. But actually Rapid is almost identical as normal S-weapon in this game. You are playing alot orginal Contra and yeah there Rapid make your gun much better. But actually in super-C i don,t see any major differences. Level 6 boss is about 0,2-0,5 seconds slower to beat without rapid fire. Level 7 boss is just little harder. It look i can,t kill homing balls as good without rapid. It is hard to say is level 7 boss faster with rapid because my battle was quite crap my new run.

This was as well intention got S because i need wait too long when weapon capsules fly away so i thinking it was faster grap S-weapon here and lost my rapid fire.

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And then, the boss in Stage 5. you did kill him 2, maybe 3 seconds slower then Jim or something. You should do some practice there. it is not very hard to kill him as fast as Jim. If you should have read his comments ( which is always good ) Then you should be able to read this:

I just use style what TAS (12.39) use his run. Yeah my level 5 boss is not fastest. But this one is very minor.

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Stage 8: Check out Jims run again. He knows exactly how to handle the power ups and shooting those mouths and does not stop as much as you. This

I always accidentally grap with power ups, so i was little bit cautions, but i think this was my best level 8 ever. But yeah Jim run this level was simply awesome.

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EDIT:
-Isn't it possible to go through the bubbles nonstop with the spread gun? I know vgmr does it in his run.

I don,t know. But i don,t see any point got that risk. This save only 0,5-1 seconds time and it make it so much riskier and lucky manipulating.

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Final boss I do not know what you mean with dying save time. What I can tell Jim kills the boss about 3 seconds then you with his Fire weapon. But I would keep with spread because I can kill him about 1 seconds faster then Jim with S + "R".

Ok. Nice to hear.:
TAS comment:
"At the Final Boss section, I have lost a life to get the normal weapon, because the boss is beaten faster with it."

MIKE COMMENTS:

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-Why do you cross over to the left in Stage 6? It's not necessary and you lose time from all of the diagonal walking.

You mean that blue spider corridor. This is absolutely impossible run through without stop on PAL. I even practice it my failed attempts and i don,t see it is possible. This place kill me mostly and it ruin most my runs as well as mouth field.

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-You need to figure out a better strategy for the bugs coming out from the sides. Wouldn't staying on the right while walking straight up and shooting them work?

I believe this is just pure versio difference. Can anyone prooved that?

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The Super C verification team was very critical,

I see.

Can i still try send that? And look at what happen?

[quote]I see a bunch of places where Jim is faster. and not that many when you are faster then him[/quote]

Yeah you are right. There is no places where i was faster. But as well this Jim run was near perfect. I see only mistakes in level 2 & level 3 & 4 boss can faster. Otherwise his run was near perfect and very lucky job.

[quote]The last boss in level 3 is one of the most obvious places. I guess you are 5 seconds slower then Jim. And I am 2 seconds faster then Jim with the Strategy I am using.
[/quote]

Yeah i timed my battle was about 5-seconds slower than my best fight ever. I just mess up kill him quickly. But this is just random IMO. This is weird boss. It looks it take always random amount damage and it make it very rare time beat this perfectly.

[quote]Another BIG mistake you do is in Stage 4 when you take "S" which make your gun slower. If I am not totally lost here... In Contra for NES I found out that it make no sense. And on my Super C ROM it did slow down. And it looks like it does in your run too 
[/quote]

Now you mean level 6?
Yeah there i take S-weapon and lost my rapid fire.  But actually Rapid is almost identical as normal S-weapon in this game. You are playing alot orginal Contra and yeah there Rapid make your gun much better. But actually in super-C i don,t see any major differences. Level 6 boss is about 0,2-0,5 seconds slower to beat without rapid fire. Level 7 boss is just little harder. It look i can,t kill homing balls as good without rapid. It is hard to say is level 7 boss faster with rapid because my battle was quite crap my new run.

This was as well intention got S because i need wait too long when weapon capsules fly away so i thinking it was faster grap S-weapon here and lost my rapid fire.

[quote]And then, the boss in Stage 5. you did kill him 2, maybe 3 seconds slower then Jim or something. You should do some practice there. it is not very hard to kill him as fast as Jim. If you should have read his comments ( which is always good  ) Then you should be able to read this:
[/quote]

I just use style what TAS (12.39) use his run. Yeah my level 5 boss is not fastest. But this one is very minor.

[quote]Stage 8: Check out Jims run again. He knows exactly how to handle the power ups and shooting those mouths and does not stop as much as you. This [/quote]

I always accidentally grap with power ups, so i was little bit cautions, but i think this was my best level 8 ever. But yeah Jim run this level was simply awesome.

[quote]EDIT:
-Isn't it possible to go through the bubbles nonstop with the spread gun? I know vgmr does it in his run.
[/quote]

I don,t know. But i don,t see any point got that risk. This save only 0,5-1 seconds time and it make it so much riskier and lucky manipulating.

[quote]Final boss I do not know what you mean with dying save time. What I can tell Jim kills the boss about 3 seconds then you with his Fire weapon. But I would keep with spread because I can kill him about 1 seconds faster then Jim with S + "R".
[/quote]

Ok. Nice to hear.:
TAS comment:
"At the Final Boss section, I have lost a life to get the normal weapon, because the boss is beaten faster with it."

MIKE COMMENTS:
[quote]-Why do you cross over to the left in Stage 6? It's not necessary and you lose time from all of the diagonal walking.
[/quote]

You mean that blue spider corridor. This is absolutely impossible run through without stop on PAL. I even practice it my failed attempts and i don,t see it is possible. This place kill me mostly and it ruin most my runs as well as mouth field.

[quote]-You need to figure out a better strategy for the bugs coming out from the sides. Wouldn't staying on the right while walking straight up and shooting them work?
[/quote]

I believe this is just pure versio difference. Can anyone prooved that?

[quote]The Super C verification team was very critical,[/quote]

I see. ;D
Can i still try send that? And look at what happen?

Frezy_man

2008-12-19 10:08:53 am

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IIRC, you did collect "S" 2-3 times after you collected "R" in the third level. So the fourth level where the first time you collected "S". During the elevator part I think.

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-You need to figure out a better strategy for the bugs coming out from the sides. Wouldn't staying on the right while walking straight up and shooting them work?

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I believe this is just pure version differences. Can anyone prooved that?

It looks for me as it is the same. no matter if you play Probotector II or Super C. Right now I can not check this up because I do not own a Probotector II cartridge.
I think. you can do as in Jims run. You can not just run trough the part but I think you just have to shot 4-5 enemies or something. They who comes out from the closest side you are running along.

MASTER-88

2008-12-19 10:26:57 am

Master-88

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IIRC, you did collect "S" 2-3 times after you collected "R" in the third level. So the fourth level where the first time you collected "S". During the elevator part I think.

Now i can,t understand what you mean? Actually i grap S-weapon first time on level 2. And i got rapid weapons on level 4. I lost my rapid when i grap S-weapon back on level 6. This was first time when i lost my R-weapon.

This rapid doesn,t really save time on level 6. I don,t know much about level 7, but actually i still can kill enemys quite quickly here.

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It looks for me as it is the same. no matter if you play Probotector II or Super C. Right now I can not check this up because I do not own a Probotector II cartridge.

Yeah it quite looks same. But fucking bugs still rush me if i don,t kill them. This is not even close run that without stop.

And yeah it is quite same game. But i see some 100% versio differences. I list some differences some time ago.

Frezy_man

2008-12-19 11:36:58 am

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Quote from MASTER-88:

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IIRC, you did collect "S" 2-3 times after you collected "R" in the third level. So the fourth level where the first time you collected "S". During the elevator part I think.

Now i can,t understand what you mean? Actually i grap S-weapon first time on level 2. And i got rapid weapons on level 4. I lost my rapid when i grap S-weapon back on level 6. This was first time when i lost my R-weapon.

This rapid doesn,t really save time on level 6. I don,t know much about level 7, but actually i still can kill enemys quite quickly here.

No. you take S in Stage 2, R in Level 3 - in the tree area at the beginning. You never see "R" because you jump and hit it just when the capsule blows. In Stage 4, at the elevator part you pick up "S" again. Here is a more clear Scheme of it based on you 18.02 youtube speedrun.

1. you pick up "S" in stage 2. That is true.
2. you pick up "R" (turbo) for your "S"/spread in Stage 3, in the beginning of this level. at 3:40
3. You pick up "S" again in the elevator part of Stage 4 ( Here is your mistake ). about 7:00 into the youtube vid.
4. an "R" appears in Stage 5, 0:23 into the second part of your youtube video. You never took it.
5. Stage 6, you take one more "S". But it does not matter. 2:27 into the youtube vid.
6. You take "S" a third time in the final level at 6:18 into your second youtube vid.

You did take three "S" ,after the "R" in Stage 3. But the last two of them makes no sense.

There is some places where "S"+"R" helps. The bubble part in Stage 7 and the boss of the same level is one pf the most important parts but it help in other areas too. It helps more in the Base levels of the first contra game but it make sense in the other levels too, about as much as in Super C/Probotector 2. Some areas is a lot easier with S+R. The final level is another area. you can take down enemies faster and secure more areas on the screen.

[quote="MASTER-88"]
[quote]IIRC, you did collect "S" 2-3 times after you collected "R" in the third level. So the fourth level where the first time you collected "S". During the elevator part I think.
[/quote]

Now i can,t understand what you mean? Actually i grap S-weapon first time on level 2. And i got rapid weapons on level 4. I lost my rapid when i grap S-weapon back on level 6. This was first time when i lost my R-weapon.

This rapid doesn,t really save time on level 6. I don,t know much about level 7, but actually i still can kill enemys quite quickly here.
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No. you take S in Stage 2, R in Level 3 - in the tree area at the beginning. You never see "R" because you jump and hit it just when the capsule blows. In Stage 4, at the elevator part you pick up "S" again. Here is a more clear Scheme of it based on you 18.02 youtube speedrun.

[b]1.[/b] you pick up "S" in stage 2. That is true.
[b]2.[/b] you pick up "R" (turbo) for your "S"/spread in Stage 3, in the beginning of this level. at 3:40
[b]3.[/b] You pick up "S" again in the elevator part of Stage 4 ( Here is your mistake ). about 7:00 into the youtube vid.
[b]4.[/b] an "R" appears in Stage 5, 0:23 into the second part of your youtube video. You never took it.
[b]5.[/b] Stage 6, you take one more "S". But it does not matter. 2:27 into the youtube vid.
[b]6.[/b] You take "S" a third time in the final level at 6:18 into your second youtube vid.

You did take three "S" ,after the "R" in Stage 3. But the last two of them makes no sense.

There is some places where "S"+"R" helps. The bubble part in Stage 7 and the boss of the same level is one pf the most important parts but it help in other areas too. It helps more in the Base levels of the first contra game but it make sense in the other levels too, about as much as in Super C/Probotector 2. Some areas is a lot easier with S+R. The final level is another area. you can take down enemies faster and secure more areas on the screen.

MASTER-88

2008-12-19 11:53:41 am

Master-88

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3. You pick up "S" again in the elevator part of Stage 4 ( Here is your mistake ). about 7:00 into the youtube vid

7:00: Actually i pick up R-weapon at this point. Wink

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4. an "R" appears in Stage 5, 0:23 into the second part of your youtube video. You never took it.
5.

Is two rapid better than one rapid? Yeah i don,t pick up it because i already have rapid.

Frezy_man

2008-12-19 01:35:19 pm

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7:00: Actually i pick up R-weapon at this point. Wink

Shit. Ok. It looks like it is "R" now, sorry... :-[
Not that bad then Smiley

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Is two rapid better than one rapid?

Not as far as I can tell.

MASTER-88

2008-12-29 06:09:54 am

Master-88

Hey guys you not much hear my run. I still keep it my progress. Yesterday i spend 2.30 hours playing but i don,t got any new records Tongue

Many failed attempts happen on level 7. This is weird level 7 took even more failed attempts than level 6. I check my time back and this looks i still can,t go through sub 18 minutes any my attempts.

I always mess up something. Level 3 boss is just most important but i can got it perfectly about 1/20 of the time. I don,t know but this boss looks it has always different amount energy max. Roll Eyes

So i almost always lost important 10 seconds here. Sometimes more than 10 seconds but only then i need reset my game.

This looks 17.50-45 is absolutely perfect job on PAL. Everything lower never can happen for me.

Now i don,t have much time working on this but i still promise make some random attempts sometimes. I hope i can go through under 18 minutes. But Level 3 boss is almost always my biggest time lost if i can got it always perfectly this save easily 5-10 seconds. But this is just huge amount luck.

Hey guys you not much hear my run. I still keep it my progress. Yesterday i spend 2.30 hours playing but i don,t got any new records :P

Many failed attempts happen on level 7. This is weird level 7 took even more failed attempts than level 6. I check my time back and this looks i still can,t go through sub 18 minutes any my attempts.

I always mess up something. Level 3 boss is just most important but i can got it perfectly about 1/20 of the time. I don,t know but this boss looks it has always different amount energy max. ::)

So i almost always lost important 10 seconds here. Sometimes more than 10 seconds but only then i need reset my game.

This looks 17.50-45 is absolutely perfect job on PAL. Everything lower never can happen for me.

Now i don,t have much time working on this but i still promise make some random attempts sometimes. I hope i can go through under 18 minutes. But Level 3 boss is almost always my biggest time lost if i can got it always perfectly this save easily 5-10 seconds. But this is just huge amount luck.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2008-12-29 06:52:35 pm

2008-12-29 01:56:18 pm

Master-88

17.55

I finally break sub 18 minutes limit. After hours attempts.
This looks there is still some rooms what i can improve. But we know Contra speedrun is 25% skills and 75% pure luck.

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Video available
Part 1/2

part 2/2

You guys can give me comments my run. I almost know where i make mistakes. Part 1/2 is actually little bit slower than my 18.02 run. I got better 2/2 part. I make awesome level 5.

Level 7 spider pods was one biggest time lost my run. I lost at least 5 seconds here. Level 8 went quite well but as well there is mistakes too.

I use S-weapon against last boss. This was wrong intention. I just can beat him 1-2 seconds faster using default gun. But this was very minor one.

Level 3 boss was again time lost. But this was still quite good boss fight. I can make better fight about 1/20 of the time. It is so rare.

Level 6 blue corridor was quite cautions. But mouth field was awesome. Almost perfect luck.

If you want see my awesome level 7 boss you will enjoy. I have very good luck i managed kill him at least 3-5 seconds faster than ever.

But if i can make everything perfectly. I see it is very possible reach sub 17.30 limit. But i don,t know can i never beat that time. My luck never is enought with this.

17.55 :D

I finally break sub 18 minutes limit. After hours attempts.
This looks there is still some rooms what i can improve. But we know Contra speedrun is 25% skills and 75% pure luck.

E:
Video available
Part 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbdIfSyy5YA&feature=channel_page
part 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-bBfkHamo&feature=channel_page

You guys can give me comments my run. I almost know where i make mistakes. Part 1/2 is actually little bit slower than my 18.02 run. I got better 2/2 part. I make awesome level 5.

Level 7 spider pods was one biggest time lost my run. I lost at least 5 seconds here. Level 8 went quite well but as well there is mistakes too.

I use S-weapon against last boss. This was wrong intention. I just can beat him 1-2 seconds faster using default gun. But this was very minor one.

Level 3 boss was again time lost. But this was still quite good boss fight. I can make better fight about 1/20 of the time. It is so rare.

Level 6 blue corridor was quite cautions. But mouth field was awesome. Almost perfect luck.

If you want see my awesome level 7 boss you will enjoy. I have very good luck i managed kill him at least 3-5 seconds faster than ever.

But if i can make everything perfectly. I see it is very possible reach sub 17.30 limit. But i don,t know can i never beat that time. My luck never is enought with this.

RaneofSOTN

2008-12-29 08:14:06 pm

I want off the ride....

man i lost count of how many pauses you do (by pause i mean you either stopped moving or turned to shoot). I mean jump down shot is your friend yes? I watch this and I see the potential of a 17:30 there. There is a few times where you DIDN'T have to turn and shoot to avoid your "crash" and then there was that brain fart in the 4th level before the elevator.

You can do better man; Just If you have to tape the right side of your pad to always be on for those levels and learn.

MASTER-88

2008-12-30 04:54:55 am

Master-88

Yeah i see there is ways better. But it is always luck. I sometimes turn and shoot:

Reason 1: If i know death wait for me. for example level 3 there is alot enemys onto tree and if enemys run wrong places this mean i surely die. Level 8 i need shot once back because enemys runs wrong places.

Reason 2: I avoid lags. Lags are quite danagerous on speedrun. +It slow run speed down. I even think it is faster shoot once back. I make that level 3 & 5 once.

Yeah i can avoid some back shots, but this is just luck.

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You can do better man; Just If you have to tape the right side of your pad to always be on for those levels and learn.

Yeah theoretical yes. I can do better.
But it is easier said than do.

Everything is mostly luck. Im not see random shots back is bad thing. This not really cost time. I make some bigger time losts too. If i can fixed these things i´ve must be very lucky and happy my run.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2008-12-30 02:23:48 pm

2008-12-30 11:16:28 am

Master-88

17.36
Part 1/2

Part 2/2

I really hope it is enought in SDA. This is 19 seconds faster than my previous run. You will see something really crazy here. Yeah and this includes deaths in level 6 mouth field. But i don,t get major time lost with this. I check clock and this took me at most 5 seconds + i lost rapid fire. I don,t see rapid fire make game faster beat. It make only level 8 more comfortable to beat for speed. But anyway. I was super happy with this run. I see max limit can be somewhere 17.20 range. Yeah thsere is still some bad spots. Level 3 includes some back shots and boss can be done couple seconds faster.

As well second big time lost was Level 6 death. But luckily this happen very good place and enemys don,t ruin my rhythm.

Anyway enjoy. I hope you guys see my whole run and tell me is this accept run. I want believe it is at least very close it. It is probably not intense like Jim run but it is at least very close enought it IMO.

I started working on that 2th december. I am working that about whole one month. I don,t never believe i can break sub 18 minutes limit. But yeah 17.36 is my best now. My orginal goal was 17.45 under and i break it with 9 seconds.

EDIT:
I just make some little timing:
Level 3 boss: It can be done 5-seconds faster than my run
Level 6 death animation in mouth field took me 3-seconds. +Add two-three more seconds with this (about 5-6 seconds total)

I lost rapid fire but it doesn,t count any time. I beat as well level 7 boss after 4-homing ball series. As well i beat it my other runs where i have rapid fire. It is probably theoretical possible kill him after 3 homing ball series, but this requires R-fire and lot luck.

Level 3 is only level where i really make some back shots. This level was not my best my run. Im not sure how much time i lost here, but i think random shots behind doesn,t cost time much. It only looks stupid.

I just timed this will be good enought in SDA stanards this not looks too horrible. I see there is max limit with perfect luck can be somewhere 17.20 even under it. But anyway.

Comments? Smiley

17.36
Part 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqscJ8Lt0AE&feature=channel_page

Part 2/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiCbICZCqQQ&feature=channel_page

I really hope it is enought in SDA. This is 19 seconds faster than my previous run. You will see something really crazy here. Yeah and this includes deaths in level 6 mouth field. But i don,t get major time lost with this. I check clock and this took me at most 5 seconds + i lost rapid fire. I don,t see rapid fire make game faster beat. It make only level 8 more comfortable to beat for speed. But anyway. I was super happy with this run. I see max limit can be somewhere 17.20 range. Yeah thsere is still some bad spots. Level 3 includes some back shots and boss can be done couple seconds faster.

As well second big time lost was Level 6 death. But luckily this happen very good place and enemys don,t ruin my rhythm.

Anyway enjoy. I hope you guys see my whole run and tell me is this accept run. I want believe it is at least very close it. It is probably not intense like Jim run but it is at least very close enought it IMO.

I started working on that 2th december. I am working that about whole one month. I don,t never believe i can break sub 18 minutes limit. But yeah 17.36 is my best now. My orginal goal was 17.45 under and i break it with 9 seconds.

EDIT:
I just make some little timing:
Level 3 boss: It can be done 5-seconds faster than my run
Level 6 death animation in mouth field took me 3-seconds. +Add two-three more seconds with this (about 5-6 seconds total)

I lost rapid fire but it doesn,t count any time. I beat as well level 7 boss after 4-homing ball series. As well i beat it my other runs where i have rapid fire. It is probably theoretical possible kill him after 3 homing ball series, but this requires R-fire and lot luck.

Level 3 is only level where i really make some back shots. This level was not my best my run. Im not sure how much time i lost here, but i think random shots behind doesn,t cost time much. It only looks stupid.

I just timed this will be good enought in SDA stanards this not looks too horrible. I see there is max limit with perfect luck can be somewhere 17.20 even under it. But anyway.

Comments? :)

RaneofSOTN

2008-12-30 04:56:48 pm

I want off the ride....

Much better... You didn't pause so much;
in level 1 it almost looked like you could've made it under those set of 'nades that were coming...? I am not 100% sure on that.

level 3 the one major pause was warranted, but why do you still rapid fire all through level 3? If your worried about 'lag' you dont show it, cause your just blasting without a reason. I saw the trail of guys behind you and thats better.

Nice walk through on stage 6; it finally happens! Sorry about the death but I think thats the field on why so many speed runs die, its random as hell i understand fully the luck involved here.

It seems like the loss of Rapid hurt your time more than you think man, as I swear your boss 7 went faster with it..

Your level 8 was better and well your showing signs of improvement.

Really man I think you can push sub 17:30 with a few more goes. And some more practice and a little luck. Keep going... the faster it is the more likely it'll make it onto sda ya?

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2008-12-30 06:11:01 pm

2008-12-30 06:04:35 pm

Master-88

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Much better... You didn't pause so much;

Thanks. I hope this is good enought.

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in level 1 it almost looked like you could've made it under those set of 'nades that were coming...? I am not 100% sure on that.

Yeah you mean grenades end of the level? Im not sure use TAS that. But as far as i remember Jim waiting those grenades. As well JPN-versio WR (13.46) runner wait too. I think it is not possible run through grenades without stop.

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level 3 the one major pause was warranted, but why do you still rapid fire all through level 3? If your worried about 'lag' you dont show it, cause your just blasting without a reason. I saw the trail of guys behind you and thats better.

Level 3 lags sometimes crashed my game. Too many enemys run out in at same time and this can crash your game. This time i got very bad enemy locations here. And i think it was good idea shot back. As well like level 3 & 6 are just most luck involved levels in the game. I never managed beat it perfectly. Always some enemys run wrong places and i need shot back.

Yeah this time my level was not best possible. I shot 2-3 more times back than normally. But i don,t believe these shots back cost my time much.

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Nice walk through on stage 6; it finally happens

Thanks. Yeah this was surprise. I actually never already managed that. This trick is quite weird. It sometimes doesn,t work.

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Sorry about the death but I think thats the field on why so many speed runs die, its random as hell i understand fully the luck involved here.

Luckily this happen at good place and don,t cost me much. Quite often i got too many deaths here and need reset my game. This is just hell and luck.

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It seems like the loss of Rapid hurt your time more than you think man, as I swear your boss 7 went faster with it..

I don,t believe rapid save much time. At least level 6 & 7 boss is as fast as. Level 6 boss is almost identical as fast with rapid or without rapid.

Level 7 boss. I already timed my best fight with rapid and my best fight without rapid and both fight was just identical as fast as. Both times i kill boss after 4th homing ball series come out. This looks it is as fast as have you rapid or not. This looks if you have rapid you can firing little bit wider spread shots, but in my opinion this don,t cost any time. Tongue

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Your level 8 was better and well your showing signs of improvement.

Yeah i was happy with this too. Some mistakes, but still absolutely my best level 8 ever. Cheesy

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Really man I think you can push sub 17:30 with a few more goes. And some more practice and a little luck. Keep going... the faster it is the more likely it'll make it onto sda ya?

Yeah but want try submit this one first and look forvard later can i got faster run. Yeah sub 17.30 is very possible. But i don,t sure can i have enought luck make this.

I was just very lucky my new run. This one was good one. But i´ll look forvard what Mike say with this. He already said my 18.02 was very close accetable. This new one is 26 seconds faster. Wink

[quote]Much better... You didn't pause so much;
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Thanks. I hope this is good enought.

[quote]in level 1 it almost looked like you could've made it under those set of 'nades that were coming...? I am not 100% sure on that.
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Yeah you mean grenades end of the level? Im not sure use TAS that. But as far as i remember Jim waiting those grenades. As well JPN-versio WR (13.46) runner wait too. I think it is not possible run through grenades without stop.

[quote]level 3 the one major pause was warranted, but why do you still rapid fire all through level 3? If your worried about 'lag' you dont show it, cause your just blasting without a reason. I saw the trail of guys behind you and thats better.
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Level 3 lags sometimes crashed my game. Too many enemys run out in at same time and this can crash your game. This time i got very bad enemy locations here. And i think it was good idea shot back. As well like level 3 & 6 are just most luck involved levels in the game. I never managed beat it perfectly. Always some enemys run wrong places and i need shot back.

Yeah this time my level was not best possible. I shot 2-3 more times back than normally. But i don,t believe these shots back cost my time much.

[quote]Nice walk through on stage 6; it finally happens[/quote]

Thanks. Yeah this was surprise. I actually never already managed that. This trick is quite weird. It sometimes doesn,t work.

[quote]Sorry about the death but I think thats the field on why so many speed runs die, its random as hell i understand fully the luck involved here.
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Luckily this happen at good place and don,t cost me much. Quite often i got too many deaths here and need reset my game. This is just hell and luck.

[quote]It seems like the loss of Rapid hurt your time more than you think man, as I swear your boss 7 went faster with it..
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I don,t believe rapid save much time. At least level 6 & 7 boss is as fast as. Level 6 boss is almost identical as fast with rapid or without rapid.

Level 7 boss. I already timed my best fight with rapid and my best fight without rapid and both fight was just identical as fast as. Both times i kill boss after 4th homing ball series come out. This looks it is as fast as have you rapid or not. This looks if you have rapid you can firing little bit wider spread shots, but in my opinion this don,t cost any time. :P

[quote]Your level 8 was better and well your showing signs of improvement.
[/quote]

Yeah i was happy with this too. Some mistakes, but still absolutely my best level 8 ever. :D

[quote]Really man I think you can push sub 17:30 with a few more goes. And some more practice and a little luck. Keep going... the faster it is the more likely it'll make it onto sda ya?[/quote]

Yeah but want try submit this one first and look forvard later can i got faster run. Yeah sub 17.30 is very possible. But i don,t sure can i have enought luck make this.

I was just very lucky my new run. This one was good one. But i´ll look forvard what Mike say with this. He already said my 18.02 was very close accetable. This new one is 26 seconds faster. ;)

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2009-01-05 07:43:36 pm

2009-01-05 07:36:11 pm

Master-88

Something new things:

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in level 1 it almost looked like you could've made it under those set of 'nades that were coming...? I am not 100% sure on that.

I can make it now. Actually this not even very hard. Jim still doesn,t use this his run. Wink

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I make some good attempts today. Both attempt i failed in level 6. But this looks i was something 4-7 seconds ahead my current best run when i mess up my both runs.

I still send PM from Mike. My 17.36 was quite good run i don,t promise anything can i beat my time ever. But at least i still promise try beat that.

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I have always little hard time beat level 3 boss quickly. I just practice that and watch video many time. I have now little bit better succesrate make this.

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Level 7 boss is possible beat after 3-homing ball series. My current run i kill him after 4th homing ball series but i don,t have rapid here. Jim has Rapid but as well he need wait 4th homing balls.

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I don,t sure but i really believe i can got 17.25 yet if everything working very well. I watch today some perfect runs on youtube.

One guy on youtube beat this game 16-seconds faster than Jim. Im not sure is this TAS run, but it looks quite much console possible. But it looks absolutely perfect run on console.

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I hope you guys will hearing for me yet. I really wish i can got really fast run yet. Wink

But im not are lucky than you guys.

Something new things:
[quote]in level 1 it almost looked like you could've made it under those set of 'nades that were coming...? I am not 100% sure on that.
[/quote]

I can make it now. Actually this not even very hard. Jim still doesn,t use this his run. ;)

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I make some good attempts today. Both attempt i failed in level 6. But this looks i was something 4-7 seconds ahead my current best run when i mess up my both runs.

I still send PM from Mike. My 17.36 was quite good run i don,t promise anything can i beat my time ever. But at least i still promise try beat that.

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I have always little hard time beat level 3 boss quickly. I just practice that and watch video many time. I have now little bit better succesrate make this.

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Level 7 boss is possible beat after 3-homing ball series. My current run i kill him after 4th homing ball series but i don,t have rapid here. Jim has Rapid but as well he need wait 4th homing balls.

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I don,t sure but i really believe i can got 17.25 yet if everything working very well. I watch today some perfect runs on youtube.

One guy on youtube beat this game 16-seconds faster than Jim. Im not sure is this TAS run, but it looks quite much console possible. But it looks absolutely perfect run on console.

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I hope you guys will hearing for me yet. I really wish i can got really fast run yet. ;)
But im not are lucky than you guys.

MASTER-88

2009-01-06 08:27:59 am

Master-88

Ok everybody.
My final product is done.

17.16

-20 more seconds speed than my previous run. I post this run on youtube later. I am 95% sure this is good enought in SDA. I believe it is almost as good as Jim run.

But now i can prooved sub 17-minutes really is possible on PAL. There is still room where i can improve some seconds. But yeah this was alot better than my other runs. Level 3 boss was much better this time and level 4 was riskier. As well almost everything went well enought.

My 7th boss was as fast as Jim fight but it can be done faster. Level 8 boss is not my best. I don,t still need dodge any lasers.

You guys definitely will enjoy my run. I post it later. Cheesy

MASTER-88

2009-01-06 10:03:18 am

Master-88

Sorry about double post, but i am too happy using EDIT.
You guys must be see this. This run is VERY GOOD JOB. I am sure you everybody like this.

There is no major time losts. Minor ones. Much better level 3 this time. I think i can,t doing better

17.16:
Part 1/2

Part 2/2

Comments please. Especially i want hear Mike comment my run. I am quite sure he like my run. And hell yeah this is about as good as Jim run IMO.

mikwuyma

2009-01-06 11:34:38 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

I'm sorry, I didn't watch your 17:36 because I was at MAGFest meeting other SDA members. However, I just watched your 17:16 run. It's definitely very good and I think it's acceptable. I need to compare your run with vgmr's later, but I think you were faster than him on a lot of boss fights.

Only these things stuck out to me.

-Pausing for the machine gun at the beginning (though it's tough to do this without pausing)

-Going to the left instead of staying to the right in stage 6.

-IIRC, you can go through the final stage's falling ceiling area without stopping.

MASTER-88

2009-01-06 12:41:49 pm

Master-88

Quote:

I just watched your 17:16 run. It's definitely very good and I think it's acceptable. I need to compare your run with vgmr's later, but I think you were faster than him on a lot of boss fights.

Oh yeah. It is definitely close enought. Im not going to say this is faster than Jim run, but it is about as fast as. I make some my own intentions i just believe these things not cost much my time. I as well avoid some mistakes what Jim make for example level 1 grenandes was better in my run.

I hope this is acceptable. Even i don,t believe i was any faster than Jim. How you want verifier this?

mikwuyma

2009-01-06 12:45:53 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Check your pms.

RaneofSOTN

2009-01-06 02:30:16 pm

I want off the ride....

i watched your 17:16 and thats pretty good. And I'm glad I mentioned that you probably could get under those 'nades. Would you have tried that otherwise?

Seems like you played well, your boss 7 seemed slower than normal but others were done well.

Good job man, if you submit that good luck on the submission