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Psychochild: 2006-01-26 02:57:10 pm

2006-01-26 07:44:30 am

There's been a lot of requests lately for some sort of guestbook function where people can leave comments for a run. This thread is flat out, just a variation of that but it focuses on an angle that hasn't been covered. Of course, that angle is making a new forum titled "Run Reviews" or "Run Feedback."

This forum would be locked from any non-moderator posters to make new threads in and a new thread would be added along with when a run is made. This thread can be a simple title of the run and a short body with a vague description or even a cut and paste post in the first.

Title: Devil May Cry 3: Any % Fresh Dante Normal Run 2:14:34

Body: This is the thread to comment and discuss the Devil May Cry 3: Any % Fresh Dante Normal Run. Keep it clean.

This forum thread can then be used to praise the runner, make comments and suggestions about the run, ask questions about why the runner did this and that and things of the sort. This will in part help with keeping the forums in the Newer and Older Console runs a touch cleaner than they are now. For example, right now we have the Banjo Tooie and Sonic Adventure: Amy's Run being discussed quite a bit, despite the fact that no one's really planning a specific run. This new forum would also make it much easier to find an existing thread to comment on a run about after the first two or three weeks of publishing since the run comments page would feature a link to the thread, and the entire forum would be in itself clean and easy to navigate since only moderators are making new threads. Heck, just recently we had a thread asking why someone didn't get the Bowser in the Sky Red Coins star, and of course we've had TONS of people comment on the Morrowwind and Fallout runs since they were posted, often with the same accusations that the run is illegitimate. An existing thread that already discussed such topics will keep forum spam in those cases to a minimum. Of course, idiots will probably not read the comments on the Comments page or post in the appropriate thread 100% of the time, but whatever. No system is perfect.

When a run is outdated by another one, the old thread, which would be Devil May Cry 3 Any % Fresh Dante 2:14:34 will be locked and a new one is made.

Most of the posts after the run was submitted are what I outlined above. When a run is published and discussion still continues in the thread, this pushes topics down that still need the help or are still outlining their progress with their run.

OCRemix.org is a site that does have review forum that works VERY well. Moderation isn't too heavy and it doesn't have to be, since the community is very good and very supportive, much like what we see here. They have no problem with this system and it's very easy to find older threads that date back to as far as five years because of the links to the thread directly from the music description page. It's not a bad system and although I don't know much about how YaBB forums work, I don't think it would be very time consuming to make. At most, you may have to make a moderator to make the threads and moderate (Though being a part of this community for almost a year, I've seen very few trouble makers in the first place.)

And a thread to the OCREMIX.ORG forums for an idea...

http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=11

I apologize in advance, since I brought this point up in a prior thread, but I thought it deserved its own since it was a different idea than the previous one posted in.

Edit Edit: D'oh! Seems like Radix upped the Thread per Page... but I still am behind my suggestion, even if it isn't as necessary as before.

Thread title:

There's been a lot of requests lately for some sort of guestbook function where people can leave comments for a run.  This thread is flat out, just a variation of that but it focuses on an angle that hasn't been covered.  Of course, that angle is making a new forum titled "Run Reviews" or "Run Feedback."

This forum would be locked from any non-moderator posters to make new threads in and a new thread would be added along with when a run is made.  This thread can be a simple title of the run and a short body with a vague description or even a cut and paste post in the first.

Title: Devil May Cry 3: Any % Fresh Dante Normal Run 2:14:34

Body: This is the thread to comment and discuss the Devil May Cry 3: Any % Fresh Dante Normal Run.  Keep it clean.

This forum thread can then be used to praise the runner, make comments and suggestions about the run, ask questions about why the runner did this and that and things of the sort.  This will in part help with keeping the forums in the Newer and Older Console runs a touch cleaner than they are now.  For example, right now we have the Banjo Tooie and Sonic Adventure: Amy's Run being discussed quite a bit, despite the fact that no one's really planning a specific run.  This new forum would also make it much easier to find an existing thread to comment on a run about after the first two or three weeks of publishing since the run comments page would feature a link to the thread, and the entire forum would be in itself clean and easy to navigate since only moderators are making new threads.  Heck, just recently we had a thread asking why someone didn't get the Bowser in the Sky Red Coins star, and of course we've had TONS of people comment on the Morrowwind and Fallout runs since they were posted, often with the same accusations that the run is illegitimate.  An existing thread that already discussed such topics will keep forum spam in those cases to a minimum.  Of course, idiots will probably not read the comments on the Comments page or post in the appropriate thread 100% of the time, but whatever.  No system is perfect.

When a run is outdated by another one, the old thread, which would be Devil May Cry 3 Any % Fresh Dante 2:14:34 will be locked and a new one is made.

Most of the posts after the run was submitted are what I outlined above.  When a run is published and discussion still continues in the thread, this pushes topics down that still need the help or are still outlining their progress with their run.

OCRemix.org is a site that does have review forum that works VERY well.  Moderation isn't too heavy and it doesn't have to be, since the community is very good and very supportive, much like what we see here.  They have no problem with this system and it's very easy to find older threads that date back to as far as five years because of the links to the thread directly from the music description page.  It's not a bad system and although I don't know much about how YaBB forums work, I don't think it would be very time consuming to make.  At most, you may have to make a moderator to make the threads and moderate (Though being a part of this community for almost a year, I've seen very few trouble makers in the first place.)

And a thread to the OCREMIX.ORG forums for an idea...

http://www.ocremix.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=11

I apologize in advance, since I brought this point up in a prior thread, but I thought it deserved its own since it was a different idea than the previous one posted in.

Edit Edit:  D'oh!  Seems like Radix upped the Thread per Page... but I still am behind my suggestion, even if it isn't as necessary as before.

YautjaElder

2006-01-26 09:40:56 am

Speed is the key.

Seems like a good idea to me. Smiley

Staralfur

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Staralfur: 2006-01-26 05:22:27 pm

2006-01-26 05:20:03 pm

hello there

It's a good idea and I'm sure a reviews forum would host some constuctive content, but there's always THOSE people who are going to ruin it all for us.

"OMG i jst watchd da mtrid prim run by 'kip' un lik it waz lik da mst amzin fing evr WTF yu do that?! yu lik d2 smthn' wrd wit da scn visr un jmp up frm da ship i dn't get it ???"

Either that or just completely banal responses pointing out all the mistakes when they probably couldn't do any better. If this does go ahead it would most likely have to be heavily moderated, regardless of whether new topics can be made or not.

Psychochild

2006-01-26 05:50:05 pm

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It's a good idea and I'm sure a reviews forum would host some constuctive content, but there's always THOSE people who are going to ruin it all for us.

"OMG i jst watchd da mtrid prim run by 'kip' un lik it waz lik da mst amzin fing evr WTF yu do that?! yu lik d2 smthn' wrd wit da scn visr un jmp up frm da ship i dn't get it ???"

Either that or just completely banal responses pointing out all the mistakes when they probably couldn't do any better. If this does go ahead it would most likely have to be heavily moderated, regardless of whether new topics can be made or not.

Well, the latter point there happens now. People analyze a run, say "Hey, you could do this, this, this, this, this, that, perform this, skip that" all the time. I remember a certain person who's back now who does it (And still does, though apparently not as annoying as before.. yet). The community can choose to ignore those posters though. Also, the community as is, it's very good about these things. Look at Luigi's Mansion, the Banjo Tooie, and Mario 64's 70 Star Threads. Many people here are very civil vs. what we would find on Gamefaqs or something.

The former happens as well. The only difference is that these threads are going to be linked from the run page so it will attract and encourage more people to post. In which the community can shun them and mock them. "RTFC NOOB!!"

Is it a problem to promote a person or two to moderate the Run Review forums and ONLY the run review forums? I'd take the job if it was offered.

[quote]It's a good idea and I'm sure a reviews forum would host some constuctive content, but there's always THOSE people who are going to ruin it all for us.

"OMG i jst watchd da mtrid prim run by 'kip' un lik it waz lik da mst amzin fing evr WTF yu do that?! yu lik d2 smthn' wrd wit da scn visr un jmp up frm da ship i dn't get it ???"

Either that or just completely banal responses pointing out all the mistakes when they probably couldn't do any better. If this does go ahead it would most likely have to be heavily moderated, regardless of whether new topics can be made or not.[/quote]

Well, the latter point there happens now.  People analyze a run, say "Hey, you could do this, this, this, this, this, that, perform this, skip that" all the time.  I remember a certain person who's back now who does it (And still does, though apparently not as annoying as before.. yet).  The community can choose to ignore those posters though.   Also, the community as is, it's very good about these things.  Look at Luigi's Mansion, the Banjo Tooie, and Mario 64's 70 Star Threads.  Many people here are very civil vs. what we would find on Gamefaqs or something.

The former happens as well.  The only difference is that these threads are going to be linked from the run page so it will attract and encourage more people to post.  In which the community can shun them and mock them.  "RTFC NOOB!!"

Is it a problem to promote a person or two to moderate the Run Review forums and ONLY the run review forums?  I'd take the job if it was offered.

StrangenessDSS

2006-01-26 07:16:42 pm

Sleeping Terror

I'd rather have idiots posting in the thread about a run than starting new threads, like they do now. I think having a review forum like this would make moderating easier.

darkwasabi

2006-01-26 07:31:08 pm

King of hearts

I really like the idea. There wouldn't be any crappy thread necromancy or bumping other threads to let a good one die. And especially because there won't be 4 separate threads about the same game(SA2) because people fail to look deeper than one page to see if there are any others, or people posting in the wrong forum.

Staralfur

2006-01-26 10:10:05 pm

hello there

Hmm... maybe I'm wrong then. But the question is - exactly how many threads are we going to have? If we create individual threads for every run in existence, which is well over 200, I can imagine members having real trouble locating the thread for that particular game. Maybe if a certain thread has been inactive for a while or if the creator of the speedrun no longer wishes to recieve feedback through the thread, that thread could be deleted to prevent them building up in the masses.

Psychochild

2006-01-26 10:16:36 pm

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Hmm... maybe I'm wrong then. But the question is - exactly how many threads are we going to have? If we create individual threads for every run in existence, which is well over 200, I can imagine members having real trouble locating the thread for that particular game. Maybe if a certain thread has been inactive for a while or if the creator of the speedrun no longer wishes to recieve feedback through the thread, that thread could be deleted to prevent them building up in the masses.

As I said before, the threads will have to be linked through the run commentary page. "Discuss the Run HERE" with a direct link to the thread in question. It will be a pain to establish all of these threads in the start, since there's already a huge accumulation of movies here, but once it's up and running, it won't be that difficult to find or manage. Again, I'm able to find five year old threads very easily with OCREMIX by going through the music's page. Even if no one's responded to it in years, I can hunt it down in three seconds by just clicking on a single link.

[quote]Hmm... maybe I'm wrong then. But the question is - exactly how many threads are we going to have? If we create individual threads for every run in existence, which is well over 200, I can imagine members having real trouble locating the thread for that particular game. Maybe if a certain thread has been inactive for a while or if the creator of the speedrun no longer wishes to recieve feedback through the thread, that thread could be deleted to prevent them building up in the masses.  
 
 
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As I said before, the threads will have to be linked through the run commentary page.  "Discuss the Run HERE" with a direct link to the thread in question.  It will be a pain to establish all of these threads in the start, since there's already a huge accumulation of movies here, but once it's up and running, it won't be that difficult to find or manage.  Again, I'm able to find five year old threads very easily with OCREMIX by going through the music's page.  Even if no one's responded to it in years, I can hunt it down in three seconds by just clicking on a single link.

Cygnus

2006-01-26 10:18:34 pm

Ben Goldberg

I agree this system would work wonders. I can't really give any suggestions, your system seems to be great.

soteos

2006-01-26 10:28:36 pm

Plus, I think we as well would like places to congradulate the runner.

jimsfriend

2006-01-26 10:53:07 pm

Like A Fox

You mean like on bisqwits site where there is a "discuss this run" link right next to the download link? Sounds good to me.

Psychochild

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Psychochild: 2006-01-26 11:13:58 pm

2006-01-26 11:13:40 pm

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You mean like on bisqwits site where there is a "discuss this run" link right next to the download link? Sounds good to me.

Well, I was using OCRemix as the template and Bisqwit's site completely slipped my mind, but that will work too.

FIERCELINKMASTER

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FIERCELINKMASTER: 2006-01-26 11:26:11 pm

2006-01-26 11:21:23 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

Well if there can't be a forum for it you should allow reviewers to PM you their review. You can read through it to make sure it isn't crap then edit it to the thread..by the name of the game in Alphabetical order..
..then make new posts as you need them.

Staralfur

2006-01-26 11:34:56 pm

hello there

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Well if there can't be a forum for it you should allow reviewers to PM you their review. You can read through it to make sure it isn't crap then edit it to the thread..by the name of the game in Alphabetical order..
..then make new posts as you need them.

That's a very good idea as it would prevent dumb reviews being posted. But there's always the chance of some runners being arrogant and ignoring a review saying their run was bad, even if it was constructive criticism. I guess trust is the only way. Maybe reviews should be PMed to moderators rather than the runners themselves.

FIERCELINKMASTER

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FIERCELINKMASTER: 2006-01-26 11:44:32 pm

2006-01-26 11:39:40 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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That's a very good idea as it would prevent dumb reviews being posted. But there's always the chance of some runners being arrogant and ignoring a review saying their run was bad, even if it was constructive criticism. I guess trust is the only way. Maybe reviews should be PMed to moderators rather than the runners themselves.

Not to rip off Physchochild..but I will make a thread if that's what everyone wants. (this will be the discussion thread the other will be just the staff posting the PM reviews) staff being people you can PM the reviews to which are people we can trust.

Psychochild

2006-01-26 11:42:20 pm

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That's a very good idea as it would prevent dumb reviews being posted. But there's always the chance of some runners being arrogant and ignoring a review saying their run was bad, even if it was constructive criticism. I guess trust is the only way. Maybe reviews should be PMed to moderators rather than the runners themselves.

That puts way too much work for the moderators of the forum.

The original method is the simplest and best way to go about this, hands down if Radix acknowledges that this is an idea that he wants to implement. You guys are just making it so complicated and creating so many unecessary steps that the idea is starting to become very unattractive and unwieldy. You guys say that people are going to be stupid and they're going to be rude. It's going to happen regardless of the forum any which way you look at it. It will just hopefully be contained and easier to moderate a single thread than locking four or five threads that ask the stupid or obvious about a run.

The original idea is FINE and there shouldn't be a middle man who's going to read dozens of posts deciding what goes up and what doesn't.

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That's a very good idea as it would prevent dumb reviews being posted. But there's always the chance of some runners being arrogant and ignoring a review saying their run was bad, even if it was [i]constructive[/i] criticism. I guess trust is the only way. Maybe reviews should be PMed to moderators rather than the runners themselves.[/quote]

That puts way too much work for the moderators of the forum.

The original method is the simplest and best way to go about this, hands down if Radix acknowledges that this is an idea that he wants to implement.  You guys are just making it so complicated and creating so many unecessary steps that the idea is starting to become very unattractive and unwieldy.  You guys say that people are going to be stupid and they're going to be rude.  It's going to happen regardless of the forum any which way you look at it.  It will just hopefully be contained and easier to moderate a single thread than locking four or five threads that ask the stupid or obvious about a run.

The original idea is FINE and there shouldn't be a middle man who's going to read dozens of posts deciding what goes up and what doesn't.

FIERCELINKMASTER

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FIERCELINKMASTER: 2006-01-26 11:57:13 pm

2006-01-26 11:56:28 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

Well here was the idea
Keep this thread
Make another thread..reviews will be PMed to someone trustworthy they will edit the thread put the reviews in order (No one else will post there make it an index for reviews)

Example

Zelda: Four Swords Adventures, The Legend of
http://speeddemosarchive.com/4SwordsAdv.html

1-1 Lake Hylia Time 4:17 Mike 'TSA' Damiani

..........Review............

Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of
http://speeddemosarchive.com/WindWaker.html

Best time: 6:42 by Mike 'TSA' Damiani

..........Review.............

Psychochild

2006-01-26 11:58:56 pm

I'm standing by my original idea.

trihex

2006-01-27 12:07:09 am

Yoshi's eggs are at my mercy!

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I'm standing by my original idea.

*Stands with it as well*

Radix

2006-01-27 12:24:28 am

I'm addicted to games

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As I said before, the threads will have to be linked through the run commentary page. "Discuss the Run HERE" with a direct link to the thread in question. It will be a pain to establish all of these threads in the start

Who's going to put them there?

Psychochild

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Psychochild: 2006-01-27 12:50:59 am

2006-01-27 12:48:09 am

I'm afraid to answer that question in fear of looking like an ass, an idiot, or a dolt. Thus I'll refrain from doing so.

But seriously, how long would it take to add an extra line of HTML to the existing run pages like so? Just out of curiosity?

<p>File details: 71.2 MB / 205 MB / 386 MB total size (low / normal / high quality),
requires <a href="http://www.divx.com/">DivX codec</a>.
<p>Discuss this speed run on the<a href="http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=sda_site;action=display;num=1138261470;start=15#15"> Forum</a>.
<p>Author's comments:

Radix

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Radix: 2006-01-27 12:50:52 am

2006-01-27 12:50:38 am

I'm addicted to games

There's 221 game pages.

Cygnus

2006-01-27 01:00:39 am

Ben Goldberg

It could be done over time, and once it's done, you would only have to do it when new runs come out. You could also get someone to help you do it.

StrangenessDSS

2006-01-27 02:12:13 am

Sleeping Terror

Simple, make Psychochild do it! Or I could do it, though I might not get it done very quickly.

Or we could just pretend the old runs don't exist, and not worry about linking them. That works too.

Psychochild

2006-01-27 02:16:15 am

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Simple, make Psychochild do it! Or I could do it, though I might not get it done very quickly.

Or we could just pretend the old runs don't exist, and not worry about linking them. That works too.

Don't think he trusts me THAT much.