Pokemon Red/Blue

2009-09-24 01:41:01 am

This is one of my favorite games to speed run, but I will never go for the SDA, simply because I use the outdated Zapdos strategy and I'm sticking to it Tongue

I've never done a segmented run, or any run with the major skip glitches, but my SS time with the Zapdos is 2:43, as compared to the SDA time by Jacob91 of 2:39. So I'm close... I'd have to get really lucky to beat his time with Zapdos. What kind of times does anyone else have?

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UltimateDarius

2009-09-27 04:51:30 pm

Back in the game!

I've got a test SS time of 2:42 using Squirtle up until the Safari Zone, then using Nidoqueen for the remainder of the run. I'd guess I lost about 20 minutes or so trying to acquire a Nidorino for the trade though!

Thomaz

2009-09-27 05:00:22 pm

Catchin' them all

2:22 would be a nice time for SS I think.

But yeah, once I learn how the trick works, I'll try SS zzazz one day. =)

DoubleThink

2009-09-28 07:11:31 am

There's a word for that

I don't actually own either of these, only Yellow -_- I might casual-run it next time I go on holidays though. See how well I do going in blind Cheesy

AniMeowzerz

2009-09-28 08:29:05 am

The best I've ever gotten on blue's 8+ hours using charmander only
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I've actually never used squirtle, I should try it out sometime
edit: Oh wait I forgot I wasn't speedrunning it when I got that 8+ hours D:

neskamikaze

2009-09-28 09:58:17 am

Wow UltimateDarius, Nidoqueen saves that much time? That might be worth trying if I go back to this. But 20 minutes? If I remember right you're using Blue, and it's a 5% encounter in rooms 1 and 3. If you were looking in 2 or 4 it's 0%, that may account for missing time. Either that or you were just really unlucky.

nale

2009-10-06 09:20:49 pm

Wow, I'm up to 2:27 and I haven't even got the soul badge yet.

I think my main problem is going out of my way to grab vitamins and useful TMs in order to always have super effective moves for every single gym instead of just going straight through. It doesn't help that I've never done a speedrun before either.

neskamikaze

2009-10-06 10:02:27 pm

Quote from nale:

Wow, I'm up to 2:27 and I haven't even got the soul badge yet.

I think my main problem is going out of my way to grab vitamins and useful TMs in order to always have super effective moves for every single gym instead of just going straight through. It doesn't help that I've never done a speedrun before either.

Yeah, when just starting to speed run it's hard to break the habits of normal game playing. If you haven't done so, watch the current run to get some tips.

UltimateDarius

2009-10-07 07:49:24 pm

Back in the game!

Quote from neskamikaze:

Wow UltimateDarius, Nidoqueen saves that much time? That might be worth trying if I go back to this. But 20 minutes? If I remember right you're using Blue, and it's a 5% encounter in rooms 1 and 3. If you were looking in 2 or 4 it's 0%, that may account for missing time. Either that or you were just really unlucky.

Right. The catch rate is what got me. Just that and unluck. But Nidoqueen is a beast who rapes everything. You have the preset, godly DVs (11 HP, Max attack, 10 defense, 13 special, and average speed). You have the pwnage of STAB quake over many many things. You have a variety in moveset. You have the advantage of x accuracied horn drill and fissure both. There is nearly nothing but the E4 that needs x items to KO. It's great!

nale

2009-10-08 02:26:58 pm

If you save before entering the grass, catching the pokemon delays you what? maybe 30 seconds?

neskamikaze

2009-10-08 02:32:17 pm

Quote from nale:

If you save before entering the grass, catching the pokemon delays you what? maybe 30 seconds?

This is true, it would not be a problem in a segmented run, doing it in a SS run is the difficulty.

Quote from UltimateDarius:

Quote from neskamikaze:

Wow UltimateDarius, Nidoqueen saves that much time? That might be worth trying if I go back to this. But 20 minutes? If I remember right you're using Blue, and it's a 5% encounter in rooms 1 and 3. If you were looking in 2 or 4 it's 0%, that may account for missing time. Either that or you were just really unlucky.

Right. The catch rate is what got me. Just that and unluck. But Nidoqueen is a beast who rapes everything. You have the preset, godly DVs (11 HP, Max attack, 10 defense, 13 special, and average speed). You have the pwnage of STAB quake over many many things. You have a variety in moveset. You have the advantage of x accuracied horn drill and fissure both. There is nearly nothing but the E4 that needs x items to KO. It's great!

Max attack? That is pretty crazy. I've never got into Pokemon speed runs enough that I've worked with X-items, but that does seem like it would work incredibly well.

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If you save before entering the grass, catching the pokemon delays you what? maybe 30 seconds?
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This is true, it would not be a problem in a segmented run, doing it in a SS run is the difficulty.

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Wow UltimateDarius, Nidoqueen saves that much time? That might be worth trying if I go back to this. But 20 minutes? If I remember right you're using Blue, and it's a 5% encounter in rooms 1 and 3. If you were looking in 2 or 4 it's 0%, that may account for missing time. Either that or you were just really unlucky.
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Right.  The catch rate is what got me.  Just that and unluck.  But Nidoqueen is a beast who rapes everything.  You have the preset, godly DVs (11 HP, Max attack, 10 defense, 13 special, and average speed). You have the pwnage of STAB quake over many many things.  You have a variety in moveset.  You have the advantage of x accuracied horn drill and fissure both.  There is nearly nothing but the E4 that needs x items to KO.  It's great!
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Max attack? That is pretty crazy. I've never got into Pokemon speed runs enough that I've worked with X-items, but that does seem like it would work incredibly well.

BleachFreak86

2009-10-29 12:06:42 pm

Quote from neskamikaze:

This is one of my favorite games to speed run, but I will never go for the SDA, simply because I use the outdated Zapdos strategy and I'm sticking to it Tongue

I've never done a segmented run, or any run with the major skip glitches, but my SS time with the Zapdos is 2:43, as compared to the SDA time by Jacob91 of 2:39. So I'm close... I'd have to get really lucky to beat his time with Zapdos. What kind of times does anyone else have?

I'm Jacob91's cousin, the one who watched and gave him tips. I have actually tied his 2:39, using the same strategy.

neskamikaze

2009-10-29 12:13:31 pm

Quote from BleachFreak86:

Quote from neskamikaze:

This is one of my favorite games to speed run, but I will never go for the SDA, simply because I use the outdated Zapdos strategy and I'm sticking to it Tongue

I've never done a segmented run, or any run with the major skip glitches, but my SS time with the Zapdos is 2:43, as compared to the SDA time by Jacob91 of 2:39. So I'm close... I'd have to get really lucky to beat his time with Zapdos. What kind of times does anyone else have?

I'm Jacob91's cousin, the one who watched and gave him tips. I have actually tied his 2:39, using the same strategy.

With the same strategy as mine or the same strategy as his?

gia

2009-10-29 12:53:46 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

in pokemon each segment costs 6 seconds at most unassisted, unless you are not that good mashing, in that case lets say 8 seconds. So saving before doing x or y doesn't waste that much time.

BleachFreak86

2009-10-29 05:09:07 pm

Same strategy as his.

neskamikaze

2009-10-29 05:17:57 pm

Oh okay. I'm curious though as to what kind of time UltimateDarius's strategy would net.

UltimateDarius

2009-10-29 05:31:15 pm

Back in the game!

Optimium strategy:

Same (basically) as the current run, with early bubblebeam implemented. Bide also used against Lavender Rival's Gyarados. Nidorino caught in Safari Zone (the big SS fuckup point, sadly!), traded for Nidoqueen after beating Erika (obedience issues). Erika strat: X accuracy Horn Drill sweep.

After trade, you'd take out Silph Co. to gain access to Quake. The rest of the game are either SE OHKOs or x-accuracied Horn Drills/Fissures, with the exception of Muk and Weezing.

The other useable timesaver is item-stuffing: if the bag is full, gym leaders will not give you their TM and will not rave about how fucking awesome it is, they'll just tell you that you don't have room for it.

TehRandom

2009-11-17 10:16:16 am

Mass Effect 2 can go suck balls.

Quote from nale:

Wow, I'm up to 2:27 and I haven't even got the soul badge yet.

I think my main problem is going out of my way to grab vitamins and useful TMs in order to always have super effective moves for every single gym instead of just going straight through. It doesn't help that I've never done a speedrun before either.

Depending on the pokemon the Tms may be right there, Squirtles Ideal final loadout for me at least is Ice Beam/Blizzard, Dig, Strength, and Surf

3 of the four you get automatically anyway and blizzard isnt too far off in pokemon mansion. I usually stick with ice beam because it cuts down on ether and elixer use and I go into the department store to get a poke doll for the tower anyways.

neskamikaze

2009-11-17 11:55:46 am

It would also depend if you're doing segmented or SS. I wouldn't take Blizzard in an SS, too risky.

CaptainX24

2009-11-29 06:33:41 pm

Do you think it would be practical to do the Lvl 1-100 Mew Glitch? I mean, a lvl 100 Mew would literally tear up everything 1-hit.

DoubleThink

2009-11-29 08:01:21 pm

There's a word for that

You know I'm not even sure Mew is the fastest choice, provided something with a shorter cry could be used just as well. NOT Snorlax obviously Tongue

Clefable perhaps? Or maybe Gengar.

CaptainX24

2009-12-01 09:43:59 pm

With an escape rope, you can actually perform the glitch in Viridian Forest, and if you get a Nidoran of either gender, and then use the 1-100 glitch, you can have a Lvl 100 before Brock.

Time

2009-12-05 12:40:38 am

Quote from CaptainX24:

With an escape rope, you can actually perform the glitch in Viridian Forest, and if you get a Nidoran of either gender, and then use the 1-100 glitch, you can have a Lvl 100 before Brock.

Just note that this only works in yellow version.

UltimateDarius

2009-12-06 01:34:22 am

Back in the game!

Quote from Time:

Quote from CaptainX24:

With an escape rope, you can actually perform the glitch in Viridian Forest, and if you get a Nidoran of either gender, and then use the 1-100 glitch, you can have a Lvl 100 before Brock.

Just note that this only works in yellow version.

The next, obvious question: Where do you get an escape rope prior to Brock?

Thomaz

2009-12-06 05:09:12 pm

Catchin' them all

In Pewter City?

Come on, guys, this idea is old. >_>

This video of mine is two years old in fact.

I've done a SS lvl 100 Nidoking run before (clocked in at 1:52 I think), but I don't think it can get much lower then that using the same route (less random encounters would help a ton).

Also, for the level 100 glitch, it ONLY works for:

Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard, Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoise, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Nidoran-M, Nidorino, Nidoking, Nidoran-F, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Geodude, Graveler, Golem, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Oddish, Gloom, Vileplume, Bellsprout, Weepinbell, Victreebel, Mew.

Basically, every Pokémon out there that evolves twice (but strangely, not the bugs). Plus Mew. All based of their Exp formulae (spelling?), which is Medium Slow.

While DoubleThink is right about the whole cry thing, managing the WtW glitch with a Pokémon that cannot be Poisoned, really sucks and would probably take more time. Also, Gengar only gets Mega Drain, Thunderbolt and Psychic. Both Lick and Night Shade start to become useless after a while (Pokés start to survive it around level 33~ I think).

In Pewter City?

Come on, guys, this idea is old. >_>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ng8HCc29vg This video of mine is two years old in fact.

I've done a SS lvl 100 Nidoking run before (clocked in at 1:52 I think), but I don't think it can get much lower then that using the same route (less random encounters would help a ton).

Also, for the level 100 glitch, it ONLY works for:

Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard, Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoise, Pidgey, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Nidoran-M, Nidorino, Nidoking, Nidoran-F, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Geodude, Graveler, Golem, Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Oddish, Gloom, Vileplume, Bellsprout, Weepinbell, Victreebel, Mew.

Basically, every Pokémon out there that evolves twice (but strangely, not the bugs). Plus Mew. All based of their Exp formulae (spelling?), which is Medium Slow.

While DoubleThink is right about the whole cry thing, managing the WtW glitch with a Pokémon that cannot be Poisoned, really sucks and would probably take more time. Also, Gengar only gets Mega Drain, Thunderbolt and Psychic. Both Lick and Night Shade start to become useless after a while (Pokés start to survive it around level 33~ I think).