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KD

2006-06-02 11:58:39 am

Jealousy™

Sidehopping to the island, jumping, jump attack is faster, I believe, than going around to jump over the river.

Kazooie

2006-06-02 12:08:37 pm

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on May 19th, 2006, 10:37pm, TSA wrote:3. Enter Ganon's Tower
4. Glitch past barrier
5. Save/Quit

You should save before you do the glitch and do it in the start of the next segment, otherwise you'll have to do it twice for no reason. :X

But if you save your game when you are in middle ganon's castle where are many fire keeses. There you can continue your game without do that glitch twice.

BTW I have watched that TAS jabu jabu video and it so great. Especially when he do bombchu boost and kill enemy to get boomerang.

YautjaElder

2006-06-02 12:12:47 pm

Speed is the key.

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But if you save your game when you are in middle ganon's castle where are many fire keeses. There you can continue your game without do that glitch twice.

You can? Oh, well, my mistake.

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 01:55:48 pm

2006-06-02 01:55:28 pm

Zelda Scientist®

OK guys theory on gauntlet skip. Bypassing the block through normal means is impossible, however I belive that these type of walls are weakly joined at the top:

now im not sure if adult can manage to squeeze through or not. Haven't tried but I will. Anyways, if there is a way in through the side using that live armos damage, bombchu, etc. then we could equip hover and hover over to the other side of wall, through the block, and into the other room. Anyways, your thoughts?

Kazooie

2006-06-02 02:30:46 pm

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OK guys theory on gauntlet skip. Bypassing the block through normal means is impossible, however I belive that these type of walls are weakly joined at the top:

now im not sure if adult can manage to squeeze through or not. Haven't tried but I will. Anyways, if there is a way in through the side using that live armos damage, bombchu, etc. then we could equip hover and hover over to the other side of wall, through the block, and into the other room. Anyways, your thoughts?

Sounds possible, but it's boundary violence?
And If we can past that block, how much we save time if we get bombchus from child part of spirit temple?
I going to test now how I can past that block.

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 03:09:26 pm

2006-06-02 02:54:12 pm

Zelda Scientist®

Secondly there is another way technically. Ok through use of levitation i have found that:
A) you can grip and pull yourself up on top of the block if you hover at top...
B) you can fall off into the wall
C) you can jumpslash into the block from there and go inside block and to the other side staying pretty in bounds.

OK, so if we can get into that corner next to the block somehow, or can find a way to get ON TOP of that huge statue then we can bypass silver gauntlets (statue one requiring hover of course).
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k done for a fact. If you can get atop that statue, you can get past that block using hover.

K another idea too... if you get behind the statue w/ acute angles.... if link levitates and grabs that ledge up top then he will be pulled into that short wall. If you get behind statue, can we use groundjump to megajump and grab it?

YautjaElder

2006-06-02 03:00:15 pm

Speed is the key.

I'll look into it as well.

Kazooie

2006-06-02 03:06:58 pm

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I have found a way!!!
I have found a way!!!
It's easy with little practice Smiley

I gonna make video of it today if anyone want.

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 03:29:50 pm

2006-06-02 03:09:51 pm

Zelda Scientist®

is it acute w/ ground jump?

or like how you did the 37th hp w/ jumpslash and bomb?

or normal megajump + bombchu into wall?

cool. That eliminates the last road block. The question is if he has a way ontop of the statue or into that wall since there are 2 different ways to do it but one is a little more.... violation like...

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k yeah ive managed to get in to the wall too, but only w/ mega jump and then equipping the iron boots. but that is lame, though this is probably similar in origin to what kazooie has found.

Crap. the wall is solid even when in that wall so this must not be what kazooie found since it doesnt work. Hopefully hes got a way ontop of the statue or something.

~~like armos damage w/ climb to statue.~~

~~HOVER BOOT GROUNDJUMP! was that it? Im gonna test.~~

YautjaElder

2006-06-02 03:11:33 pm

Speed is the key.

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I have found a way!!!
I have found a way!!!
It's easy with little practice Smiley

I gonna make video of it today if anyone want.

You found a way before I even got to the temple. >_<

Seriously, good work. Can't wait for the eventual vid. Wink

Kazooie

2006-06-02 03:11:37 pm

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is it acute w/ ground jump?

Do you mean ghost link? If you mean, I not use it Smiley

wait I will make video of it with fraps Smiley

YautjaElder

2006-06-02 03:21:48 pm

Speed is the key.

It's a good thing that you found this before TSA made his run. Smiley

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 03:34:00 pm

2006-06-02 03:30:37 pm

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WOW
simple

groundjump onto statue. then hoverto grab block then climb overtop............. simple...........wins the day. easy as heck.

YautjaElder

2006-06-02 03:33:18 pm

Speed is the key.

It's not even a boundary violation, or is it?

Kazooie

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Kazooie: 2006-06-02 03:34:44 pm

2006-06-02 03:34:00 pm

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WOW
simple

groundjump onto statue. then hoverto grab block then climb overtop............. simple...........wins the day. easy as heck.

Yes that is what I mean good job Acryte Smiley

I will do my video anyway

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 03:40:29 pm

2006-06-02 03:34:31 pm

Zelda Scientist®

nah you are up in the ceiling over the block. its like being in the skybox in halflife 2 and 1

question is this.... how does it change the route? do we get wallet upgrade and then bombchu on way to spirit? or is it faster to simply go up till the bombchus... though without gauntlets you know that you need power glove from darunia, or bombs in DC. Meaning you'd probably need to time and see which option is in fact fastest.

alot easier than ganon's castle early i'd say.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-06-02 03:39:43 pm

2006-06-02 03:38:12 pm

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nah you are up in the ceiling over the block. its like being in the skybox in halflife 2 and 1

That's good. Cheesy

And very easy, too... did it in one try.

Edit: What's left now, the bottle/scale skip?

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 03:43:43 pm

2006-06-02 03:42:49 pm

Zelda Scientist®

yeah, not much. Its hilarious how many barriers have been removed from the game. the only true barrier that stands is light arrows, an easier bean skip, bottle, and the temple of time itself. of course if you find light arrows skip for ganondorf then you couple that w/ a potential ganon early and only get hoverboots and go to ganon. that is about all that is left.

Yeah, that block in spirit was just annoying me for the longest time. I was thinking there had to be a way past it. So, good job team.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-06-02 03:46:22 pm

2006-06-02 03:44:27 pm

Speed is the key.

It's a little sad, really... not many tricks left. Whatever, I'll just wait till I get my Twilight Princess, then... :devil:

Edit: I've been thinking... that trick requires bombs, so getting bombchus as a kid is useless if you still have to get bombs, isn't it?

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 03:54:33 pm

2006-06-02 03:52:33 pm

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no because that skip in jabu requires bombchu. But we'd benefit best w/ bombchu from wallet I think. wallet sounds faster then you can get bombbag and kill king dodongo (nab bombchu on way to spirit as kid since that still skips gerudo). then use bombchu in jabu jabu. dodongo's can be polayed like normal w/ skips and then adult can get bombbag by skipping everything else. but that means we would have to time it and see if it is slower since we have to get the power bracelet.... meaning it would be faster to get bombs from dodongos. bleh. this changes alot of crap. were gonna have to think and time this all out.

Kazooie

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Kazooie: 2006-06-02 04:01:55 pm

2006-06-02 03:54:13 pm

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It's a little sad, really... not many tricks left. Whatever, I'll just wait till I get my Twilight Princess, then... :devil:

Edit: I've been thinking... that trick requires bombs, so getting bombchus as a kid is useless if you still have to get bombs, isn't it?

I'll wait my TP too and I want find many glitches as I can Smiley

BTW youtube doesn't upload my video. I don't know why Cry

I think is best opinion to get bombs as child then you can do ground jump and that silver gauntles skip.
=>No best tactic is get bombs as adult.

AKA

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AKA: 2006-06-02 04:33:50 pm

2006-06-02 04:31:40 pm

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As far as I understand the Fortress can't be skipped without a longshot. Now that makes getting the requiem worthwhile as a child and then either save warping or in my case using FW to imeadiatley warp, from within the temple. I would get bombs as a child and bombchu's from the Spirit as an Adult. TSA would be required to double save warp though, which would mean saving once bombchu's are aquired and saving outside in the Colosus, which means no need to seam walk up death mountain.

My route would now be everything the same up to the requiem,

FW once inside Spirit
Continue as if I just finsihed the temple

Adult

Shield + hookshot
Shadow early (set warp, get boots; set warp again and leave)
Forest (get bow) + play requiem
Spirit (new trick, get bombchu's)
Head to spirit and use FW to warp back and complete Shadow now that you have the chu's since back flip boost is too hard to pull off.
Meet Zelda (light arrows)

Seriously this saves about seven mins and not forgetting the Nabooru witchies cutscene and long Nabooru talk.

As far as I understand the Fortress can't be skipped without a longshot. Now that makes getting the requiem worthwhile as a child and then either save warping or in my case using FW to imeadiatley warp, from within the temple. I would get bombs as a child and bombchu's from the Spirit as an Adult. TSA would be required to double save warp though, which would mean saving once bombchu's are aquired and saving outside in the Colosus, which means no need to seam walk up death mountain.

My route would now be everything the same up to the requiem,

FW once inside Spirit
Continue as if I just finsihed the temple

Adult

Shield + hookshot 
Shadow early (set warp, get boots; set warp again and leave)
Forest (get bow) + play requiem
Spirit (new trick, get bombchu's)
Head to spirit and use FW to warp back and complete Shadow now that you have the chu's since back flip boost is too hard to pull off.
Meet Zelda (light arrows)

Seriously this saves about seven mins and not forgetting the Nabooru witchies cutscene and long Nabooru talk.

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 05:05:47 pm

2006-06-02 04:40:13 pm

Zelda Scientist®

we can't lift bombflowers w/out bracelet or gauntlets. This is the main thing. So if we skip gauntlets we need to get bracelet. That is what must be timed, along w/ whether shop bombchus is faster than spirit bombchus. Secondly we need to see if both those are slower than no gauntlets and no bracelet and just bombbag and no chu, then get chu from well... OR, dodongos before jabu and then go to zelda + get bombchu on way there, then savewarp then lostwoods and then jabu jabu w/ chu, then we stillpreserve the well bombchus wich we can get w/ normal bombs but lose the time tricks in dodongos... or just play up till bombchu, savewarp, and then get bracelet, then beat dodongo's + jabu normal and then do adult bombbag when on way to shadow.

You forget. We want chus as kid for dodongos or Jabu. these added up are like 10 mins. so if we can get both and get an alternative bombchu and or mixture of both then we will save more time than your suggested route.

secondly, this is only possiblew/ early chu in MS so difficult of that trick isn't the big deal, unless you are suggesting a route for SS which would explain why you have that adult bombchu thing since you don't have chus for jabu nor dodongo's anyways. if that is the case then sorry im wrong and agree fully w/ you. I'm mainly interested in how it affects the MS route though.

idk this game gets complicated and I've been up all night playing gunbound.... bleh.

Now if we get bombchu after dodongos and get bracelet, then we have a groundjump in dodongos firstly, and also bombs, though adult dodongos is much better...

we can't lift bombflowers w/out bracelet or gauntlets. This is the main thing. So if we skip gauntlets we need to get bracelet. That is what must be timed, along w/ whether shop bombchus is faster than spirit bombchus. Secondly we need to see if both those are slower than no gauntlets and no bracelet and just bombbag and no chu, then get chu from well... OR, dodongos before jabu and then go to zelda + get bombchu on way there, then savewarp then lostwoods and then jabu jabu w/ chu, then we stillpreserve the well bombchus wich we can get w/ normal bombs but lose the time tricks in dodongos... or just play up till bombchu, savewarp, and then get bracelet, then beat dodongo's + jabu normal and then do adult bombbag when on way to shadow.

You forget. We want chus as kid for dodongos or Jabu. these added up are like 10 mins. so if we can get both and get an alternative bombchu and or mixture of both then we will save more time than your suggested route.

secondly, this is only possiblew/ early chu in MS so difficult of that trick isn't the big deal, unless you are suggesting a route for SS which would explain why you have that adult bombchu thing since you don't have chus for jabu nor dodongo's anyways. if that is the case then sorry im wrong and agree fully w/ you. I'm mainly interested in how it affects the MS route though.

idk this game gets complicated and I've been up all night playing gunbound.... bleh.

Now if we get bombchu after dodongos and get bracelet, then we have a groundjump in dodongos firstly, and also bombs, though adult dodongos is much better...

AKA

2006-06-02 04:56:44 pm

He's back!

I've just made a vid of it, its an instantly masterable trick.

Acryte

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Acryte: 2006-06-02 05:10:04 pm

2006-06-02 05:07:41 pm

Zelda Scientist®

this might change the TAS, someone should tell them about it. Since the order of things/items we have are liable to change. Who will be guano bowls bringer of bad/good news?

AKA: wow, you're right... i forgot about that cutscene, this is rather substantial. Not as much as ganon's tower or shadow early but still pretty nice.