Ocarina of Time - All Categories[N64]

Manocheese

2006-06-22 07:30:49 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

I think that quality is fine... But some people demand unnecessarily high quality, so I'm not sure.

AKA

Edit history:

AKA: 2006-06-22 07:55:44 pm

2006-06-22 07:49:25 pm

He's back!

The speed that you were reaching the tunnel was very simalar to what I'm getting i.e. 34 secs. Since the balcony tactic is much faster than mine then you must be losing time as you're approaching the ruppee and the training area to the tunnel. Most of the time was lost because you rolled towards the first two green ruppee's and then grabbed the ledge, which from what I understand makes it easier for you to line up and do backflips over the fences.

EDIT: Gurr got 2:10, but I grabed the ledge when I backfliped out of the training area.

YautjaElder

2006-06-22 11:12:36 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

The speed that you were reaching the tunnel was very simalar to what I'm getting i.e. 34 secs. Since the balcony tactic is much faster than mine then you must be losing time as you're approaching the ruppee and the training area to the tunnel. Most of the time was lost because you rolled towards the first two green ruppee's and then grabbed the ledge, which from what I understand makes it easier for you to line up and do backflips over the fences.

Yep, it's much easier to line up using the ledge that I grab... I'll stick with this tactic forever, even though it's slower. That try could easilt have been a 2:07 or even 2:06 if I had immidiately gotten 1+3 rupees from the bushes... Oh well. Roll Eyes

I'm glad the quality's fine, though... I'll upload segment two in a while.

Edit: Here it is, Segment 2:

Please tell me if it's fine for now or if it sucks. If you think it sucks, then tell me what's bad about it. Be kind to me. Tongue

AKA

Edit history:

AKA: 2006-06-22 11:58:22 pm

2006-06-22 11:44:07 pm

He's back!

Well Yautja perhaps what might be a beter sugestion instead of grabbing the ledge would be to roll up backwalk and backflip, which would surely save 2-3 secs. The little mistake when getting the second blue ruppee probally cost about 2 seconds as well and the ruppee manipulation wasn't unfortunatley the best. When you exit the training area you grab the fence and continously roll to the stream Why? Maybe its wrong to mention since I'm being picky but the shop area wasn't exactly the best even though we're probally only talking about a fraction of a second. From manual timing your ruppee run was 2:10.72, which was a very simalar time to TSA's run. DId you notice why I approach the the Deku Tree cutscene in the way I do? Thats because

1. Neareast point to activating thescene
2. Increased odds of being lined up correctly with the tree

That mistake at the very end costed you about a second cost you.

Theoretically based on what your doing you may be able to get

2:01 for the ruppee run [glb]VERY SCARY[/glb]

Quote:

Let's not go overboard here. Tongue

Also, didn't TSA get 2:09?

Sillly me

Well Yautja perhaps what might be a beter sugestion instead of grabbing the ledge would be to roll up backwalk and backflip, which would surely save 2-3 secs. The little mistake when getting the second blue ruppee probally cost about 2 seconds as well and the ruppee manipulation wasn't unfortunatley the best. When you exit the training area you grab the fence and continously roll to the stream Why? Maybe its wrong to mention since I'm being picky but the shop area wasn't exactly the best even though we're probally only talking about a fraction of a second. From manual timing your ruppee run was 2:10.72, which was a very simalar time to TSA's run. DId you notice why I approach the the Deku Tree cutscene in the way I do? Thats because

1. Neareast point to activating thescene
2. Increased odds of being lined up correctly with the tree

That mistake at the very end costed you about a second cost you.

Theoretically based on what your doing you may be able to get

2:01 for the ruppee run [glb]VERY SCARY[/glb]

[quote]
Let's not go overboard here. :P

Also, didn't TSA get 2:09?

[/quote]

Sillly me  ::)

YautjaElder

Edit history:

YautjaElder: 2006-06-23 07:48:56 am

2006-06-22 11:54:08 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

Theoretically based on what your doing you may be able to get

2:01 for the ruppee run [glb]VERY SCARY[/glb]

Let's not go overboard here. Tongue

I'm not backflipping past the out of the training area because I noticed that in your and TSA's vids you never get the perfect backwalk to the river... In that try I'm going in a straight line from the sign to the stream... I'm not sure if it's faster but I'm pretty sure that it's equally fast. I could be wrong though.

I know my rupee manipulation was about as bad it can get and still work, I hope I'll be able to do better there.

You're right, I walked into the wall in the shop and lost half a second.

The "little stunt" in the end of the Kokiri Sword area was totally unintentional, but at least it brought me in the right direction. Tongue

I missed one slash at the Deku Babas, as you said.

I was trying to roll as far to the left as possible when entering the Deku Tree cutscene and I swear I held the control stick left... but Link rolled forward. Whatever. Roll Eyes

Also, didn't TSA get 2:09?

[quote]Theoretically based on what your doing you may be able to get

2:01 for the ruppee run [glb]VERY SCARY[/glb][/quote]
Let's not go overboard here. :P

I'm not backflipping past the out of the training area because I noticed that in your and TSA's vids you never get the perfect backwalk to the river... In that try I'm going in a straight line from the sign to the stream... I'm not sure if it's faster but I'm pretty sure that it's equally fast. I could be wrong though.

I know my rupee manipulation was about as bad it can get and still work, I hope I'll be able to do better there.

You're right, I walked into the wall in the shop and lost half a second.

The "little stunt" in the end of the Kokiri Sword area was totally unintentional, but at least it brought me in the right direction. :P

I missed one slash at the Deku Babas, as you said.

I was trying to roll as far to the left as possible when entering the Deku Tree cutscene and I swear I held the control stick left... but Link rolled forward. Whatever. ::)

Also, didn't TSA get 2:09?

YautjaElder

2006-06-23 06:08:38 pm

Speed is the key.

I just recorded a 2:08 rupee run. I'm still not satisfied with the rupee collecting part (bushes), so I'm gonna try some more.

AKA

Edit history:

AKA: 2006-06-23 06:16:12 pm

2006-06-23 06:15:11 pm

He's back!

Muhahaha 1 up I just recorded a 2:07 (.40 by my timing) I'll upload it later. I took 1 sidestep too many in the boulder area when going to the chest and I read the sign as well. Apart from that its almost flawless from what I was trying to do.

YautjaElder

2006-06-23 06:27:09 pm

Speed is the key.

Cool, I'll do my best to equal it. I might upload my 2:08 to yousendit or something for people who want to time it more exact.

AKA

2006-06-23 07:10:09 pm

He's back!

Here it is 2:07

http://files.filefront.com/this_time_its_a_207_runwmv/;5181449;;/fileinfo.html

YautjaElder

Edit history:

YautjaElder: 2006-06-23 07:50:34 pm

2006-06-23 07:50:03 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

Here it is 2:07

http://files.filefront.com/this_time_its_a_207_runwmv/;5181449;;/fileinfo.html

Gotta check that one out later... I just had a almost pixel-perfect run up to the bushes and I succeded in slashing all three with a spin attack...

...then I got exactly 25 rupees without even moving! Shocked

Then everything went to hell. I missed two slashes at the sign, and when I hit it the rupee went flying so I had to collect it. I did fine up to the shop were I missed the rupee behind the counter TWICE. I didn't run back far enough. Cry

I had the perfect try, and I screwed up. I feel totally incompetent right now.... but I wont give up, I'm gonna try more tomorrow, if not tonight.

See ya.

Manocheese

2006-06-23 10:14:14 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Ouch.

That sucks, Yautja. Good luck on future attempts.

TSA

Edit history:

TSA: 2006-06-24 01:45:13 am

2006-06-24 01:44:47 am

Retired

2:01 is possibly if you get all 4 rupees you need from the spin attack near the first bushes.

YautjaElder

Edit history:

YautjaElder: 2006-11-27 05:11:35 pm

2006-06-24 11:32:52 am

Speed is the key.

Quote:

2:01 is possibly if you get all 4 rupees you need from the spin attack near the first bushes.

Yeah, that's exactly what I did. Lips Sealed

I managed a 2:06 rupee run this morning, and I'm really gonna keep it like this. Even though the perfectionist inside me screams for a better time, I have to move on. I mean I have like, 40 segments left. Roll Eyes

This is probably the most criticized segment in the entire run (along with the Deku Tree), then I'm moving into areas no runner has been before, I will have nobody to compare times with, which is both good and bad, but it will help me get through this run faster (or it will help me get through this run at all).

Edit: Segments 1 & 2 are up on YouTube:

Segment 1

Segment 2

Mad_Andy

Edit history:

Mad_Andy: 2006-06-24 03:04:34 pm

2006-06-24 03:04:14 pm

Very good. Could be faster towards the end, but as you said, you got one hell of a long run to do, so it's bettter if you get going Grin

YautjaElder

Edit history:

YautjaElder: 2006-06-24 03:11:16 pm

2006-06-24 03:10:13 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

Very good. Could be faster towards the end, but as you said, you got one hell of a long run to do, so it's bettter if you get going Grin

Yeah, I missed two slashes at the Deku Babas. Sad

I also did a roll when trying to enter the tunnel the first time... lost a second there. I was extremely lucky with the rupees in the bushes, though. Grin

I'm practicing the Deku Tree now. The bad thing is that I have to do the door text-skip twice. But I'll probably get it with a little practice. Smiley

Manocheese

2006-06-24 06:44:31 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Why twice?

YautjaElder

2006-06-24 07:03:56 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

Why twice?

I need a golden skulltula in a room on the top floor. The door to that room triggers the door text. Sad

Manocheese

2006-06-24 07:12:07 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Oh, dang. I forgot about that room. I guess I need to play through the game 100% more often. <.<

Amazing Ampharos

2006-06-24 10:09:27 pm

It's looking good so far. Don't kill yourself looking for absolutely perfection in every segment; it's a huge run with a decent margin of error. I think as the run goes on it will be a lot easier to make as you will be treading a new path.

YautjaElder

2006-06-25 03:02:20 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

It's looking good so far. Don't kill yourself looking for absolutely perfection in every segment; it's a huge run with a decent margin of error. I think as the run goes on it will be a lot easier to make as you will be treading a new path.

Yeah, I think so too. Smiley

Also, I noticed another thing in the route:

Quote:

Segment 22:

Backwalk to Lon Lon Ranch
Get Epona(Epona)
Ride to Kokiri Forest
Enter Kokiri Forest(gs3)
Goto lost woods and trade odd potion(poacher's saw)
Goto Sacred Forest Meadow(gs6)
Cross the maze easily with a groundjump and head over to Shiek(gs7, Minuet of Forest)
Enter Forest Temple and save and quit

I can't get that skulltula then, since it requires the bean or longshot. I have to get it when I deliver the eyedrops I think.

Amazing Ampharos

2006-06-26 01:06:03 am

When I made that I assumed you were planting that bean. I guess doing it while delivering eyedrops can work too though; it's not much of a deviation.

YautjaElder

Edit history:

YautjaElder: 2006-06-26 03:35:55 pm

2006-06-26 02:08:46 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

When I made that I assumed you were planting that bean. I guess doing it while delivering eyedrops can work too though; it's not much of a deviation.

Okay.

I will be splitting the Deku Tree up into two segments, the first ending after getting the slingshot. In the second I climb the ladder, perform the vine text skip and complete the Tree. This may actually be a little faster than doing it in one whole segment, I dunno.

Edit: Segment 3

Manocheese

2006-06-26 05:15:27 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Very good. Very good. I think it's for the better to split it up.

TSA

2006-06-26 10:47:07 pm

Retired

LoL...splitting up the Deku Tree...oh man, good idea.

Well, I guess save-warping in dungeons should be re-examined...I have to redo my Segment 3 again now.

YautjaElder

Edit history:

YautjaElder: 2006-06-26 10:56:24 pm

2006-06-26 10:54:30 pm

Speed is the key.

Quote:

LoL...splitting up the Deku Tree...oh man, good idea.

Well, I guess save-warping in dungeons should be re-examined...I have to redo my Segment 3 again now.

I'm always trying to take save-warping into account when planning dungeons... even though I first thought that save-warping in the Deku Tree was a little absurd. Tongue

There is really only one place where you can do that and it's by saving after the slingshot... I'm not sure if it saves time but it's really helping me in this 100% run. Somebody should compare the time it takes to exit the slingshot room and get back to the chest (for vine skip) and the time it takes to get to the chest from the entreance.

Edit: Later in the game, FW will probably be a better choice than save-warps, though. At least in a 100% run.