Lemmings (SNES) individual levels speed guide

2008-03-24 12:50:00 pm

Master-88

Trcky level 25 cascade 98% is finally done.

PAL-Snes versio:

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p3240029vq1.jpg

My perfect planned looks like amazing. I think 99% never happen.

MASTER-88

Edit history:

MASTER-88: 2008-03-27 08:42:03 pm

2008-03-27 08:40:49 pm

Master-88

Sorry about triple post. This is huge post. I think i need put that. I mark all MAX-% what i know. This is PAL-Snes versio. There is some MAX-% i mark (?) because i don,t trying make MAX-% or i don,t sure is 100% possible. But anyway i probably update that list when i know more.
Now we everysingle know Tricky 25 Cascade 98% is possible. Read my previous post if you don,t belive me.

Fun:
Every else level 100% possible: Expect:
3,6 & 18.
29 Worra lorra lemmings: 99% (I am pretty sure 100% is possible)

Tricky:
1-9: 100% Completed (All easy levels 100% possible)
10 There is lot of them about: 100%?
11 Lemmings in the attic: 100% Completed
12 Bitter lemmings: 100% Completed
13 Lemming drops: 100%?
14 Menacing: 100%?
15 Ozone friendly lemmings: 70% Completed
16 Luvly jubly: 84-86%? Current best
17 Diet lemmingaid: 96% Completed
18 Its lemmingentry watson: 90 Completed
19 Postcard from lemming land: 100%
20 One way digging to freedom : 99% (100%?)
21 Oh You lemming san: 100%
22 Turn around young lemmings: 99% Current best (I think MAX-too)
23 From The boundary line: 71% Current best Completed
24 Tightrope city: ?
25 Cascade: 98% Current best Completed
26 Have a cunning plan: You need 100%
27 Island of wicker people: 100% Completed
28 Exit in the ground: 100% Completed
29 Rainbow island: 100% Completed
30 The Crankshaft: 100%

Taxing
1 If at first you don't succeed: 99% Completed (100%?)
2 Watch out there’s traps about: 100% Completed
3 Paradise can wait we hope: 100% Completed
4 Lend a helping hand: Current best 90-92?
5 The Prison: 100% Completed
6 Compression method 1: 98% MAX Completed
7 Every lemming for himself: 99%?
8-11: You need all 100%
12 Living on the edge: 100% Completed
13 Upside down world: 99% Completed
14 Hunt the nessy: 100%?
15 What Awesome level: 100% Completed
16 Umbrella land: 99% Completed
17 X- marks spots: 100% Completed
18 Tribute to M:C Escher:? (GarlandG-method you lose only one lemmings. Some reason this method doesn,t work on SNES versio of the game IMO.
19 Bomboozal:?
20 Walk the web rope: 100%?
21 feel the heat 100% Completed
22 Come over the place: 100% Completed
23 King of the castle: Current best 97-98%
24 Take a running jump 100% Completed
25 Follow the leader 100% Completed
26 Triple trouble 100% Completed
27 Here come the bomb squad: (97% MAX in youtube)
28 POOR WEE CREATURES: Current best 82%?
29 How do I dig the way?:100% Completed
30 We all fall down: 100% Completed

Mayhem
1 Steel work: Current best MAX 99% Completed
2 The Boiler room: 98-99%?
3 Hero time: You need 100% Completed
4 Crossroad: You need 100% Completed
5 Down along, up. In that order:?
6 One way or another: You need 100% Completed
7 Poles apart: 100% Completed
8 Last out is rotten egg: 100% Completed
9 Curse of Pharaohs: 99% Completed
10 Pillar of Hercules:?
11 We all fall down: You need 100% Completed
12 Far side: You need 100% Completed
13 Great lemming caper You need 100% Completed
14 Pea soup: 100% Completed
15 Fast food kitchen: 96% Completed (I think higher is possible too)
16 Just a minute: 100% Completed
17 Stepping stones:?
18 And then there were four: 100% Completed
19 Time to get up: (3-lemmings need death)
20-21: You need all 100%
22 Beast level II: 100% (definitely possible I think)
23 Going up: 99% (probably 100% possible)
24 All or Nothing: 100% Completed
25 Have a nice day: 98% Completed
26: Steel mines of the kessel: Current best 91%
27 Just a minute part II: 100% Completed
28 Mind the step: 100% Completed
29 Save me: Current best 85%? (94% theoretical possible?)
30 Rendezvous at the mountain:?

Sunsoft Specials:
1: 25% MAX Completed
2: Current best 82%
3-5: You need all 100% (Completed)

Sorry about triple post. This is huge post. I think  i need put that. I mark all MAX-% what i know. This is PAL-Snes versio. There is some MAX-% i mark (?) because i don,t trying make MAX-% or i don,t sure is 100% possible. But anyway i probably update that list when i know more.
Now we everysingle know Tricky 25 Cascade 98% is possible. Read my previous post if you don,t belive me.

Fun:
Every else level 100% possible: Expect:
3,6 & 18.
29 Worra lorra lemmings: 99% (I am pretty sure 100% is possible)

Tricky:
1-9: 100% Completed (All easy levels 100% possible)
10 There is lot of them about: 100%?
11 Lemmings in the attic: 100% Completed
12 Bitter lemmings: 100% Completed
13 Lemming drops: 100%?
14 Menacing: 100%?
15 Ozone friendly lemmings: 70% Completed
16 Luvly jubly: 84-86%? Current best
17 Diet lemmingaid: 96% Completed
18 Its lemmingentry watson: 90 Completed
19 Postcard from lemming land: 100%
20 One way digging to freedom : 99% (100%?)
21 Oh You lemming san: 100% 
22 Turn around young lemmings: 99% Current best (I think MAX-too)
23 From The boundary line: 71% Current best Completed
24 Tightrope city: ?
25 Cascade: 98% Current best Completed 
26 Have a cunning plan: You need 100%
27 Island of wicker people: 100% Completed
28 Exit in the ground: 100% Completed
29 Rainbow island: 100% Completed
30 The Crankshaft: 100%

Taxing
1 If at first you don't succeed: 99% Completed (100%?)
2 Watch out there’s traps about: 100% Completed
3 Paradise can wait we hope: 100% Completed
4 Lend a helping hand: Current best 90-92?
5 The Prison: 100% Completed
6 Compression method 1: 98% MAX Completed
7 Every lemming for himself: 99%?
8-11: You need all 100%
12 Living on the edge: 100% Completed
13 Upside down world: 99% Completed
14 Hunt the nessy: 100%?
15 What Awesome level: 100% Completed
16 Umbrella land: 99% Completed
17 X- marks spots: 100% Completed
18 Tribute to M:C Escher:? (GarlandG-method you lose only one lemmings. Some reason this method doesn,t work on SNES versio of the game IMO.
19 Bomboozal:?
20 Walk the web rope: 100%?
21 feel the heat 100% Completed
22 Come over the place: 100% Completed
23 King of the castle: Current best 97-98%
24 Take a running jump 100% Completed
25 Follow the leader 100% Completed
26 Triple trouble 100% Completed
27 Here come the bomb squad: (97% MAX in youtube)
28 POOR WEE CREATURES: Current best 82%?
29 How do I dig the way?:100% Completed
30 We all fall down: 100% Completed

Mayhem
1 Steel work: Current best MAX 99% Completed 
2 The Boiler room: 98-99%?
3 Hero time: You need 100% Completed
4 Crossroad: You need 100% Completed
5 Down along, up. In that order:?
6 One way or another: You need 100% Completed
7 Poles apart: 100% Completed
8 Last out is rotten egg: 100% Completed
9 Curse of Pharaohs: 99% Completed
10 Pillar of Hercules:?
11 We all fall down: You need 100% Completed
12 Far side: You need 100% Completed
13 Great lemming caper You need 100% Completed
14 Pea soup: 100% Completed
15 Fast food kitchen: 96% Completed (I think higher is possible too)
16 Just a minute: 100% Completed
17 Stepping stones:?
18 And then there were four: 100% Completed
19 Time to get up: (3-lemmings need death)
20-21: You need all 100%
22 Beast level II: 100% (definitely possible I think)
23 Going up: 99% (probably 100% possible) 
24 All or Nothing: 100% Completed 
25 Have a nice day: 98% Completed
26: Steel mines of the kessel: Current best 91%
27 Just a minute part II: 100% Completed
28 Mind the step: 100% Completed
29 Save me: Current best 85%? (94% theoretical possible?)
30 Rendezvous at the mountain:?

Sunsoft Specials:
1: 25% MAX Completed
2: Current best 82%
3-5: You need all 100% (Completed)

MASTER-88

Edit history:

MASTER-88: 2008-04-13 04:27:54 pm

2008-04-13 04:27:14 pm

Master-88

I make one cool Lemmings MAX-% test run:

I got 100% Taxing level 6 Compression method 1:
1.19 time remain
http://img397.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p4130035jj2.jpg

I already think it was totally impossible avoid blocker. I planned whole 2 hours and i finally find this crazy plan bash through the metal and avoid using blocker. There is only one digger. This make that very hard. It is virtually impossible bash through metal if you try stuck lemmings without blocker. But after 2 hours plan i find nice way how i can bash high enought and stuck and turn every lemmings without blocker.

Stupid

2008-04-17 11:05:42 pm

defying gravity

Lemmings would actually be a good game to speedrun if the "Speed Up"-function wouldn't speed up to the PC's maximum, but by a fixed percentage.
Theoretically, you could finish all the levels extremely fast if you had a program which changed your PC's performance according to your needs in the level, so you could run the game at 500% speed at one point and later change to 20000% speed, for example. That would be both hard to realize and illegal on SDA though.
On the other hand, a run through all the levels without "Speed Up" would be extremely boring.

Enhasa

2008-04-19 08:00:37 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

First I want to tell MASTER-88 that even though nobody else is posting much, some people like me are interested in your progress and check up on this thread. Smiley

I keep on idly mentioning Lemmings run talk (I want to organize it later, but of course other SDA things get in the way). I didn't know fast forward was just unthrottled. Are you sure it works that way in the Windows version (the one we would probably use for collaboration purposes) or just the DOS version?

Of course, we could just use the built-in timer instead. Wink

At any rate, we had some discussion about whether or not to use game time or real time. Game time would be way easier to track, but real time would probably be more interesting since you would try to 1) use fast forward as much as possible, and 2) use pause as little as possible.

If fast forward depends on machine spec, I guess real time is the only choice.

Essentia

2008-04-19 08:52:42 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

I also check up on this thread, but I usually don't have anything to say, so I don't post.

I would be interested in doing some speedruns for this game, but I don't currently have a copy of the game. I think my dad has a Windows version, so I could probably borrow that from him if that's the version we'll go with.

I'd prefer to go by real time than by game time. I think it would take more skill, and it would look more like a speedrun as well. Wink

I don't know how that would work with the fast forward option, though; in fact, I don't remember there being any fast forward function at all in the versions I've played. Would it be possible to do real time but with no fast forward, or would that just be too boring?

Enhasa

2008-04-19 09:38:27 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

It would probably depend on what most people think, but I imagine most runners would want to use fast forward, since it would make running a lot less painful.

I don't know what I was thinking earlier when I said fast forward in the DOS version. The DOS version has no fast forward obviously. So if the Windows version is machine spec dependent, I guess we'll have to go with game time.

We could also see what people think about the idea of not using pause at all, but at this point it seems most likely that we will do:

- game time
- fast forward allowed (although it won't actually affect anything due to using game time)
- pause allowed (stops the timer obviously)

Essentia

2008-04-20 12:22:58 am

Everything's better with Magitek

Quote:

- game time
- fast forward allowed (although it won't actually affect anything due to using game time)
- pause allowed (stops the timer obviously)

I could handle that. I'm not sure that pausing would be helpful on every level, anyway--or at least that some levels could be done without it. (On my Lemmings Youtube videos, I completed every level except one or two without pausing, so I know it can be done; but some would definitely be faster with pausing.)

MatrixTN

2008-04-20 07:37:01 am

You got a deletion wish?

Quote:

- game time
- fast forward allowed (although it won't actually affect anything due to using game time)
- pause allowed (stops the timer obviously)

Seconded, though on the Genesis version there is no FF button. Am I correct in assuming that SNES/PC would be the same category since all levels are the same? Genesis would be separate from that considering that some are different, plus the additional ratings.

Stupid

2008-04-20 09:05:46 am

defying gravity

Quote:

Are you sure it works that way in the Windows version (the one we would probably use for collaboration purposes) or just the DOS version?

Yep. For me, even a 7 minute level finishes almost immediately whenever I hit the button Wink

Enhasa

2008-04-20 11:17:21 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

LOL, I just tried this myself and that happens too. I wonder if this means we could use real time since the difference would be negligible, but probably not. One second is still important. Although this does mean something strange. The way you would play most levels for game time, is to wait around and hit Esc as soon as you have the last lemming you need. If you have a blocker out there, and hit fast forward, the level will just time out (and you will win with 0:00 game time).

So fast forward would be a lot more useful for real time. For game time, it might even be unusable (unless you just toggle it on for a split second), which would suck. This is all so confusing. I guess we'll deal with it later, heh.

MatrixTN, the timing is different for SNES and PC, so they would be different versions. The timing was different for DOS and Mac and Amiga even. I remember Mac players had a much easier time on certain levels such as Just a Minute. Of course, the DOS is even different from the Windows. All of this is close enough for regular play, but you can't compare the game times between versions. It's not equitable.

LOL, I just tried this myself and that happens too. I wonder if this means we could use real time since the difference would be negligible, but probably not. One second is still important. Although this does mean something strange. The way you would play most levels for game time, is to wait around and hit Esc as soon as you have the last lemming you need. If you have a blocker out there, and hit fast forward, the level will just time out (and you will win with 0:00 game time).

So fast forward would be a lot more useful for real time. For game time, it might even be unusable (unless you just toggle it on for a split second), which would suck. This is all so confusing. I guess we'll deal with it later, heh.

MatrixTN, the timing is different for SNES and PC, so they would be different versions. The timing was different for DOS and Mac and Amiga even. I remember Mac players had a much easier time on certain levels such as Just a Minute. Of course, the DOS is even different from the Windows. All of this is close enough for regular play, but you can't compare the game times between versions. It's not equitable.

Stupid

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Stupid: 2008-04-20 11:40:36 pm

2008-04-20 11:39:37 pm

defying gravity

Well its not that easy. If you're a fast button masher, you could also use it inbetween the level in situations where you arent doing something for 30 or so seconds. This allone would give a big advantage over someone who just uses it at the end of the level.
Or imagine someone has a crappy computer or someone sets up a CPU-killer program. This would then give him a huge advantage, because although the end would be a bit slower, he could use the FF in much more different situations.

Finally, as I mentioned in my post on the first page, you could theoretically set up a program to speed down your computer so that the FF always perfectly fits your needs, and - again, theoretically - beat every level in less then 5 seconds.

So, in conclusion, the idea of using FF in a speedrun is kind of killed, at least if youre aiming for a fair competition. On the other hand, a run without FF would be quite boring to watch as well as much easier to execute.

Enhasa

2008-04-20 11:50:21 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Yeah, this is really confusing. Well I guess we would have to use game time after all.

MASTER-88

2008-04-21 11:11:08 am

Master-88

I see peoples are still interesting with this. Smiley

I don,t never trying real time runs. I always check some speedroutes using in game time. I make some speedruns using fastest possible routes:

Mayhem 18 MIN-%. 7.14 time remain.
There is 9 minutes time. I can beat that under 2 minutes. You really need pause buttons here. Because there is 4 entrance.

Currently now i have interesting find MAX-% methods. In prevous page i post Taxing 6 100% and Tricky 25 98%. Nobody belive that already. But yeah both hard plans working.

I just visited lemmings forum too. There is way get 98% in Mayhem 29 save me level. This method working DOS version only.

There is much more intersting method too. Most methods working only using DOS version. Some methods can working on SNES version too.

I think 100% Mayhem 1 steel work can working Snes version too. I got 99% already, i think it was MAX. Probably it is my next big operation got cool 100% in this level. This might be hard. Even 99% took me while.

Stupid

2008-04-21 12:59:44 pm

defying gravity

Quote:

Yeah, this is really confusing. Well I guess we would have to use game time after all.

I would go for real-time but with FF forbidden. It wouldnt really be a speedrun if you paused all the time, I think.

MASTER-88

Edit history:

MASTER-88: 2008-05-04 05:45:15 pm

2008-05-04 02:26:34 pm

Master-88

All right. I come back

I make very large job. I post over 42-50 puzzle screenshots in imageshack: There is some speedtrick, max-% trick, alternate routes and many fun things definitely everybody people like with this.

You can find my every puzzles TAGS:
lemmings or master88.

Screens is not coming yet, only i can see my pictures but hopefully tomorrow everybody else too can see my pictures.

But yeah there is Tricky 25 cascade 98% method:

Strategy part 1:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030058nv5.jpg

Part 2:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030059na5.jpg
Part 3:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030060je4.jpg

Part 4:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030061xb3.jpg

Part 5:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030062th6.jpg

Part 6:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030063lp5.jpg

Yeah video might be better, but 6 pictures tell more than 1000 words. Enjoy with this.

Many more levels come later.

EDIT:
Currently now
You guys can see my lemmings puzzle images my imageshack profile:

http://profile.imageshack.us/user/master88

There is levels:
Tricky 19 Postcard from lemming land. Alternate path and big shortcuts
Tricky 23 From the boundary line speedtrick
Tricky 24 Tightrope city 100% completion
Tricky 25 Cascade 98% Completion
Tricky 26 Have a cunning plan Alternate method

Taxing 4 lend a helping hand 100% puzzle. Using alternate path.
Taxing 6: Compression method 1 100% puzzle
Taxing 13: Upsidedown world 100% puzzle
Taxing 18: MAX-% using build lock method. Metal bash doesn,t work on Snes.
Taxing 27: Call the bomb squad alternate path 95%

Mayhem 5: Down along and that order. ONE HARDEST MAX_% PUZZLE in the game. I got max-%. 4 lemmings only die 95% was completion because there is 80 lemmings max. This must be see. This took me alot time
Enjoy with this

Mayhem 11: We all fall down 80 lemmings completion release rate 99 only
Mayhem 13: Great lemmings caper alternate path. This is slower but fun route
Mayhem 15 Fast food kitchen. 100% Completion. This is nasty level but actually easier what i think.

Mayhem 17 Stepping stones Alternate path. 100% completion too.

Mayhem 28 Mind the step. Big metal bash shortcuts

All right. I come back

I make very large job. I post over 42-50 puzzle screenshots in imageshack: There is some speedtrick, max-% trick, alternate routes and many fun things definitely everybody people like with this.

You can find my every puzzles TAGS:
lemmings or master88.

Screens is not coming yet, only i can see my pictures but hopefully tomorrow everybody else too can see my pictures.

But yeah there is Tricky 25 cascade 98% method:

Strategy part 1:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030058nv5.jpg

Part 2:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030059na5.jpg
Part 3:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030060je4.jpg

Part 4:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030061xb3.jpg

Part 5:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030062th6.jpg

Part 6:
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p5030063lp5.jpg

Yeah video might be better, but 6 pictures tell more than 1000 words. Enjoy with this.

Many more levels come later.

EDIT:
Currently now
You guys can see my lemmings puzzle images my imageshack profile:

http://profile.imageshack.us/user/master88

There is levels:
Tricky 19 Postcard from lemming land. Alternate path and big shortcuts
Tricky 23 From the boundary line speedtrick
Tricky 24 Tightrope city 100% completion
Tricky 25 Cascade 98% Completion
Tricky 26 Have a cunning plan Alternate method

Taxing 4 lend a helping hand 100% puzzle. Using alternate path.
Taxing 6: Compression method 1 100% puzzle
Taxing 13: Upsidedown world 100% puzzle
Taxing 18: MAX-% using build lock method. Metal bash doesn,t work on Snes.
Taxing 27: Call the bomb squad alternate path 95%

Mayhem 5: Down along and that order. ONE HARDEST MAX_% PUZZLE in the game. I got max-%. 4 lemmings only die 95% was completion because there is 80 lemmings max. This must be see. This took me alot time
Enjoy with this

Mayhem 11: We all fall down 80 lemmings completion release rate 99 only
Mayhem 13: Great lemmings caper alternate path. This is slower but fun route
Mayhem 15 Fast food kitchen. 100% Completion. This is nasty level but actually easier what i think.

Mayhem 17 Stepping stones Alternate path. 100% completion too.

Mayhem 28 Mind the step. Big metal bash shortcuts

MASTER-88

2008-05-08 11:32:17 am

Master-88

Hey guys my tags is available now.

You can find over 40 puzzle images in imageshack
http://imageshack.us/

Find images search:
Lemmings

If anyone care you can check out some my weird methods. My pictures qualitys is mostly pretty good. Few picture has pretty bad quality, but still good enought IMO. Anyway.