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Over the last week I've started playing Silent Hill 2 for the first time in about 2+ years (the main quest; I have played maria's scenario and currently have a speedrun for that online).  I'm working on the game on normal mode with a normal riddle level.

I spent most of the week just getting to know the game all over again.  After a few runs getting familiar with the game I then spent 2 days doing a multi-segmented game in order to fully experiment with every aspect of the game I could.  The final result for this was a finish of 54 minutes and 36 seconds.  I expect that, in the coming weeks, I'll be able to get a single-segmented run done in a time of under 55 minutes.

As for what I think is possible under the same settings as the current speedrun (which is 57:12 set by simon berggren) I'd say the best possible time would be between 53:45-54:15; this is just a rough estimate and it is a bit early to say anything for sure.

I watched the current video online (only the boss fights as those were what I was interested in) and have been able to develop improved strategies for 3 of the bosses in the game; though I won't get into too much detail right now.
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Best of luck.

*sigh* I wanted to write a speed guide for this game for a long time, but in between projects, I never found the time to get into it. So far, all that exists is a 60% skeleton text with assorted notes (blehh). But while I was playing, my gut instinct" told me that 55 minutes were possible, so I'd like to see a 54 minutes run, yeah.

Peace,
Vincent.
Good luck.

I can't see many awful parts, especially if you're playing on Normal (after all, no need to save Maria from Pyramid Head in the Hospital hallway). I don't know if this is OLD'D, but there's a timing trick to beat the last boss without ever walking and without triggering the tentacle attack. I haven't succeeded 100%, but it's quite a difference. Great Knife is risky, but apparently shaves off a few minutes if you're good (not my case).

I'm hate doing speed-runs, yet I love watching 'em. Looking forward to it.
Yuck! I hate doing speed-runs, not "I'm". Grin
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Damn, all these guests sounding alike, assisting in keeping this thread at the top! Incredible.

There's already a Silent Hill 2 run on the site, maybe you could view that to better your strategies. Unless you're somehow talking about something completely different @_@;
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Brandon already mentions that one, but he's going to beat it by a couple of minutes - I'm pretty sure about that.

Peace,
Vincent.
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Well I'll be damned Vincent Merkin has come to town.  Last I knew you had a Silent Hill 2 hard mode run under an hour (or is my information mistaken).  If you get a chance you should check out my RE:1 (original game) knife only run using Jill - 1 hour 9 minutes and 17 seconds:  I beat Mike Morrow's time by over 5 minutes.:-p  Also the Silent Hill 1 normal mode, bad+ ending, 35 minutes and 29 second run is mine (though since I've gone under 35 minutes) and SH2 maria's quest as well.

Pocari - I saw the boss fights in that run and have improved several of them (the great knife on the end boss isn't risky either).  I also pick up a dozen or so less items than Simon did (The best possible that I've figured is around 64 give or take). 

On a side note my boat time was 56 sec 56 (i guess that means 56.56 sec).

And anyways I expect to beat the run by at LEAST 2 minutes.
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Hey Brandon,

Yeah, I've been lurking for a few days along the borders of this here "town" here. Might register - dunno yet. Some of the videos here are absolutely brilliant; my personal favourite is the Contra 3 vid on SNES, mostly for nostalgic reasons. Aeons ago, I did a no-death hard mode run too (didn't watch the clock back then, though), so it was cool to see someone go wild with double-C's again =). Besides - my strategy against Mother Brain was definitely slower than the one in that amazing video.

It's cool to see you're still active. I've watched your Jill-Knife run and loved it, but you played the Director's Cut on PS2, which is a bit off for a purist like me. Original version on a PS1, dammit ;). But at least it's better than all those Rocket Launcher shenanigans (getting sick of those segmented things on RE4). It was cute to see how Jill finishes playing Moonlight Sonata before the music actually finishes, though ;).

As for Silent Hill, the end result says 35', but the video itself says 1h ;). I noticed that you played the NTSC version on a PS2. I have the PAL version and can only run it on the PS1, so I can't really do something similar (don't have the time, anyway =/).

And yeah, I once did a SH2 Hard at 1h, but the skeleton text is all that remains. I'd love doing some video project for SDA, but I'll have to see (a) how I can set up the (NTSC) camera for taping, (b) rummage through the few NTSC titles I've got, (c) find something cool to do and (d) find the time to do it. At the moment, the RE4 project has priority =/.

Peace,
Vincent.
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Hey Brandon,

Yeah, I've been lurking for a few days along the borders of this here "town" here. Might register - dunno yet. Some of the videos here are absolutely brilliant; my personal favourite is the Contra 3 vid on SNES, mostly for nostalgic reasons. Aeons ago, I did a no-death hard mode run too (didn't watch the clock back then, though), so it was cool to see someone go wild with double-C's again =). Besides - my strategy against Mother Brain was definitely slower than the one in that amazing video.

It's cool to see you're still active. I've watched your Jill-Knife run and loved it, but you played the Director's Cut on PS2, which is a bit off for a purist like me. Original version on a PS1, dammit ;). But at least it's better than all those Rocket Launcher shenanigans (getting sick of those segmented things on RE4). It was cute to see how Jill finishes playing Moonlight Sonata before the music actually finishes, though ;).

As for Silent Hill, the end result says 35', but the video itself says 1h ;). I noticed that you played the NTSC version on a PS2. I have the PAL version and can only run it on the PS1, so I can't really do something similar (don't have the time, anyway =/).

And yeah, I once did a SH2 Hard at 1h, but the skeleton text is all that remains. I'd love doing some video project for SDA, but I'll have to see (a) how I can set up the (NTSC) camera for taping, (b) rummage through the few NTSC titles I've got, (c) find something cool to do and (d) find the time to do it. At the moment, the RE4 project has priority =/.

Peace,
Vincent.


I use the directors cut on the ps2 because that was what Mike Morrow used.  I was trying to beat his time.

As for Silent Hill; the game doesn't count loading times on ANY version (PAL or NTSC).  I worked through strategies on that game with a PAL gamer and from what we've learned there's no difference in finishing times (his best was 35:52; and he said it wasn't all that good).  Also since loading times aren't counted in SH (any of the SH games don't count them) you could use a ps1.

I also used a ps2 for RE:1 knife only because of faster loading times; didn't want a run 2 minutes slower so someone with a ps2 would beat it by 30 seconds and think they're better than they are.:-p

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Well,

If it is mentioned that the run took place on a PS1, original version, then noone doing the PS2 Director's Cut thing could beat your time - they weren't using the proper hardware ;). Not sure about SH1 - I could try it on PS1 and see what I'd get. I noticed in the video that the NTSC character runs faster than the PAL one. But then again, it depends on how the internal clock works.

Did the PAL gamer use a PS2 or not?

Peace,
Vincent.
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Well,

If it is mentioned that the run took place on a PS1, original version, then noone doing the PS2 Director's Cut thing could beat your time - they weren't using the proper hardware ;). Not sure about SH1 - I could try it on PS1 and see what I'd get. I noticed in the video that the NTSC character runs faster than the PAL one. But then again, it depends on how the internal clock works.

Did the PAL gamer use a PS2 or not?

Peace,
Vincent.


Actually there is no seperation between hardware used.  For instance the Biohazard 2 run on this site of 1:12:52 was done on a ps1.  I have a Japanese ps2 and a copy of biohazard 2 and I can beat that time with it.  I've spoken with Radix about this and there is no seperation between runs done on a ps1 and one done on a ps2: my time would replace his.

Oh and by the way I have beaten your RE:2 Leon A time.:-p  I remember thinking it was impossible back when I started out speedrunning but since then I've improved a great deal.:-)

Yes the PAL gamer used a ps2; but I've used a ps1 before when playing this game and, at that time, my ps1 times were comparable to my ps2 times.

And yes it would depend on how the internal clock works; some games are comparable between PAL and NTSC and some are not.  But from what I've learned through the PAL gamer I played with there appears to be no difference between the versions.

And what do you have against the directors cut of RE:1 anyways?:-p  Hey the knife run is still a good run (though not nearly what I would have hoped for: I know that, with practice, I could beat it with only having to heal once and possibly under 1hr 8min).  Also I've noticed that there may be timing differences between my ps2 and another.  Despite that skill level of my Jill knife run my Chris rocket launcher runs still fall 2 minutes short of a sub 60 (1hr 1min and 55sec is my best and that doesn't make sense for what I'm capable of doing).  I've compared my times with a tape another gamer sent me of a Jill run (1 hr 5 min and 2x sec) and the checkpoints I took on it I can't keep up with (I'm 10 seconds behind on the first checkpoint I took; when Jill meets Barry in the hall to get the acid rounds).  It makes no sense to me as absolutely nothing happens during those first 6+ minutes; no attacking, no damage and few item pickups.  This leads me to believe that things are much more frustrating than they have to be.

Not sure if you're aware but Mike's 59:58 run was beaten by another gamer with a time of 59:50.  And another gamer has sent a tape with a 59:2x but it hasn't been verified yet (it's the same gamer with the biohazard 2 run on this site...and the super mario bros. 1 run...and the same gamer who sent me that Jill tape).

Oh and how come you don't have a ps2 yet?:-D
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I really hope you don't have two SDA windows open and are talking to yourself.
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I really hope you don't have two SDA windows open and are talking to yourself.



That may make for a funny flash movie but alas no I'm completely sane.
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(blehh, forgot to fill out my name, so I have to retype the post =( )

poCari, no, we're two individuals meeting again after a long time. We're sane, indeed. Or perhaps we aren't, Brandon, since we're hardcore video game players? Wink

The reason I don't like Director's Cut is simple: Auto Aim. Like said, I've discovered that I'm a purist =).

I've gone past the whole hardware thing. To me, only what is done during the run counts. If you complete RE1 with only the knife, you're badass. If you complete RE1 with a 100% knife kill, I applaud you. If you do a 100% SB DMC, I'll give you two thumbs up, way up. If you do a Rocket Launcher or any infinite god weapon run, I'll say "Meh". But, finding the ultimate hardware config just to get the best time (even though the run itself is essentially the same), is irrelevant and, in my opinion, shouldn't decide who has the fastest run. For example (don't know if anyone verified this yet), someone could do the exact same run on RE2 for GameCube and get a new world record simply because the loading times are much shorter. I once did my basic RE2 Leon A run on the PC version and scored 50 minutes. Hurrah, make me world champion ;).

Yeah, I wasn't happy back then that you didn't accept the 1:15, but now I am glad you can see that the RE2 guide was only a basis, some form of inspiration for faster runs. I can't figure out all the tricks by myself anyway. And I don't have the time anymore to stay up-to-date on all the games I've covered. Damn you, real life and all my responsibilities.

As for the PS2, I do have a PAL one, but it has been modified to play NTSC games as well. Unfortunately, the person who did the mod didn't tell me that I no longer could play PS1 games on it =(. No, I'm not getting 2 extra PS2s to play PAL/NTSC PS1 games on ;).

Hardware, bahh... I guess the RE1 1:05 tape you got demonstrates this, huh?

And as for my stance on the 59:xx, it is "Meh" =). Don't care about Rocket Launchers in any form or function.

Peace,
Vincent.
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On one last note; without auto-aim the tyrant fight would be a pain.  Granted I could still beat the game with relative easy but it would cause extra aggravation and a slightly lower time.  Actually it could be a much lower time; the Original RE longbox that I have has slower load times, though that could be because the disc is scratched to hell (it was bought used).

And also...I beat the hell out of your silent hill hard mode, good+ time.:-)

Anyways this topic needs to go back to discussing about silent hill 2.
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Okay, then, wrapping up:

Resident Evil - The Tyrant fight is one of the reasons why I don't like to see Auto Aim. Sure, it's a longer run, but the challenge is greater, which makes the run more worthwhile. The game originally featured no Auto Aim - same goes for RE2 - that's how they were meant to be played. Using Auto Aim somewhat induces the "Meh" effect.

Like said, I somehow appreciate the aspiration for "the" fastest time, but this is spoiled due to hardware issues and by people using cheap weapons, items (Holy Waters in DMC, for example? I think not =) features and glitches. Takes away from the coolness factor.

Silent Hill - duhh again, I haven't touched that guide for a long time. I remember going down to 45 minutes, but never got to writing it down because there were more interesting things to do (such as Vagrant Story, hmm =). The clock never stops.

Peace,
Vincent.
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It's my topic so I'm getting the last word.;-)

If you went down to 45 minutes for SH1 on hard mode with the good+ ending then I still have a few minutes on you.;-)

And RE without auto-aim was never a real great challenge to me.  Granted I probably wouldn't beat the Tyrant without getting hit but I'd still be able to do it.:-p

Overall how would you rate each of my runs?:-)
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How could I rate your runs if you're getting the last word? Wink

I'm not one to rate, so I'll give a coolness estimate instead =)

Resident Evil knife - Extra Kkool, but with a "Meh" for PS2 and Auto Aim Wink

Silent Hill - Cool, again a small "meh" for PS2 usage. (I'm also glad to hear my old 45 minutes run is still more or less up to date.)

Silent Hill 2 Maria - I didn't see a thing with all the fast room switching, which means you did a great job =). And I love the magic word: Hard. Thumbs up!

Silent Hill 54 minutes or less, single segment - Go for it, this is Kkool with a capital Kk =). Extra thumbs go up if you would try the speed run in Hard/Hard mode, though (hint hint ;).
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How could I rate your runs if you're getting the last word? Wink

I'm not one to rate, so I'll give a coolness estimate instead =)

Resident Evil knife - Extra Kkool, but with a "Meh" for PS2 and Auto Aim Wink

Silent Hill - Cool, again a small "meh" for PS2 usage. (I'm also glad to hear my old 45 minutes run is still more or less up to date.)

Silent Hill 2 Maria - I didn't see a thing with all the fast room switching, which means you did a great job =). And I love the magic word: Hard. Thumbs up!

Silent Hill 54 minutes or less, single segment - Go for it, this is Kkool with a capital Kk =). Extra thumbs go up if you would try the speed run in Hard/Hard mode, though (hint hint ;).


I'm going normal/normal to compare with the current video...and I'm shooting for under 55, under 54 would require perfection.:-p


And just so you know I believe that a silent hill hard mode, good+ ending game can be just beaten in under 40 minutes. 

I've informed simon berggren of my attempts so I may get some competition for once.:-p
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Well,

aren't you shooting for perfection, even though it's biased by the hardware? Wink Again, best of luck, but keep in mind that this is not a competition - it's a quest for the optimum route under given constraints.

Me go to bed now,
Vincent.
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Well,

aren't you shooting for perfection, even though it's biased by the hardware? Wink Again, best of luck, but keep in mind that this is not a competition - it's a quest for the optimum route under given constraints.

Me go to bed now,
Vincent.


Perfection in any game over the course of 1 hour is practically impossible.  Shoot for perfection = yes; obtaining perfection = no.  After all I am human.:-p

And for me it is a competition.  I don't need to be the best survival horror speedrunner in the world but I do want to be near the top of the list.;-)
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I've beaten the current video by a little over 3 and half minutes.  My current fastest single-segment run was done in a time of 53 minutes and 43 seconds.  I've improved on a few areas of the game (namely the eddie fight) which allowed me to break the 54 minute barrier with ease.  I've also done another multi-segment run to see what an optimized run would do.  I finished it in 52 minutes and 55 seconds.  As a result I plan on going for a sub 53 minute single-segment run; which would be pretty close to as good as it gets.  I'm guessing around 52:30 is the best possible time (barring and new discoveries).

As for specifics on the run:

My total ammo pickups are 3 handgun bullet pickups and 2 shotgun shell pickups (that's it; I don't even pick up the hunting rifle).

Currently I'm looking at 3 heals (1 First aid kit and 2 ampoules; namely because of the pyramid head fight.  I use the great sword to defeat them and I tend to get hit while doing it).
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I'm down to 53 minutes and 2 seconds (that run wasn't recorded; my fastest recorded run now is 53 minutes and 11 seconds: my last 3 runs were 53:12, 53:02 amd 53:11 so I'm showing consistancy).  I expect to get under 53 minutes (probably not too far under).
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Another update:

My fastest time at the moment is 52:21.  I expect the final results for a speedrun on this game will be under 52 minutes; I'm just not sure whether the video will be mine or Simon's (the guy with the current video online is giving me some competition).
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Sounding good. It's nice to see that you're able to surpass your own expectations and predictions. Both of you, I suppose. Although I'm tempted to know how you're shaving time off, I suppose I might be able to tell when the run is finished.

So then, good luck to both of you. (Hmmm... that doesn't sound right.)