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Hentai Games allowed?

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2010-04-22 09:32:02 am

Vanilla H is mai waifu

Are hentai games allowed?
Maybe you think that's a stupid question, but I don't read that was forbidden on the FAQ.

I thought about doing a speedrun for the game "sengoku rance" from alice soft.
this is a strategic game using a lot of random vars and a visual novel interface for the scenes.
but it's a hentai game, so I ask about it.

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2010-04-22 10:09:50 am

This is my avatar

Well I guess, considering SDA is a site frequented by some underage people, I guess the hentai games are forbidden.

Also I wonder who would verify runs of this kind.

2010-04-22 10:18:40 am

Vanilla H is mai waifu

maybe we could censure the parts of the video who are H scenes.
the scenes are really really short when the text is skipped (with the skip option)
it's like 2-3 seconds not more.

if you consider that it will have like 10 H scenes (it depends on how you play in the game), it's only ~30 seconds censured of a speed run who will length some 2-3 hours or more.
it's not like if it totally wasn't watchable.

2010-04-22 10:26:41 am

The restrictions apply mostly because so-called "hentai games" usually offer less to no gameplay. I recall some of those "games" for the super famicom where you only had to press a button to get to the next erotic picture. If it is a genuine game that also features erotic content i see no problem with this. Besides some games featured here, like Manhunt for example are also exclusively for adults.
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::)Personally, i would be much more concerned to have my kids watch violent movies/speedruns than pornographic movies/speedruns. Given that it is not degrading or violent pornography such as BDSM or Zoophilia.

2010-04-22 10:32:10 am

Vanilla H is mai waifu

sengoku rance has a really rich gameplay:

it's like a fire emblem, but with fights like RPG and using an action points system

ExplodingCabbage

2010-04-22 11:44:20 am

As long as there is gameplay, I doubt SDA would turn a run away for having sexual content. Plenty of mainstream games have that as a minor part already (bare tits in Duke Nukem 3D, sex scenes in Fahrenheit, etc.)

2010-04-22 12:08:23 pm

Vanilla H is mai waifu

can I use an english patch for the game if:
it is an unnoficial patch
it doesn't change anything except the appearance
?

I ask that, because the original japanese game doesn't work on my PC, but with the english patch it works.

2010-04-22 12:16:55 pm

Quote from Linkinito:

Well I guess, considering SDA is a site frequented by some underage people, I guess the hentai games are forbidden.

But Manhunt runs are okay, yes? Grin

Grin

Quote from zebdal:

can I use an english patch for the game if:
it is an unnoficial patch
it doesn't change anything except the appearance
?

I ask that, because the original japanese game doesn't work on my PC, but with the english patch it works.

You should ask Mike, but I assume it's not allowed unless that patch is an official one from i.e. the developer's homepage.

2010-04-22 01:51:22 pm

Yes, a worthless avatar riding my posts.

I know on TASVideos, translation patches or anything of the sort isn't allowed...I'm pretty sure SDA has the same rule, yet somehow even stricter.

Now that SDA accepts freeware, a run of a hentai game otherwise wouldn't be far off.

Actually, a worthy one would be one known as "Aliens Vs Lesbians". It's a shooter sort of like Smash TV, all text scenes are skippable, in fact I'm starting to think if you skip everything the game is pretty clean.

Do I have to add another game to my sig already? lol

2010-04-22 01:59:15 pm

... for a dream, of course.

Quote from djcj:

Quote from Linkinito:

Well I guess, considering SDA is a site frequented by some underage people, I guess the hentai games are forbidden.

But Manhunt runs are okay, yes? Grin

Grin

Touché.

2010-04-22 02:02:20 pm

why should it be forbidden? its just a normal game genere where are some naked scenes. i think this wouldnt be a big problem.

2010-04-22 02:15:54 pm

Mmm yes, but then SDA would also have to deal with the adult content issue. Nudity is forbidden to anyone under 18 (or 21) in many countries, hence SDA would have to deal with that issue.
Either they would have to take responsibility to try to limit access to such content by some means or they put up a disclaimer that they are not responsible for the material on the site concerning adult content.
If the game has gameplay, then that wouldn't be a factor for denying a run for such a game certainly, I would probably say, but the above issue the main issue, I think.

2010-04-22 02:40:37 pm

we have lift off

I don't see how content is suddenly an issue; many of the games on here are rated 18 and are therefore illegal to anyone under that age, just because it has nudity, why is that any different?

2010-04-22 02:47:03 pm

I don't suppose that is any different...

ExplodingCabbage

2010-04-22 02:59:30 pm

Actually, now that I think about it, ridd3r, it is different because most countries have specific laws regarding the distribution of pornographic material. It's true that many of the games SDA hosts videos of are illegal for retailers to sell to anyone under 18, but that doesn't imply that SDA is doing anything wrong by freely making videos of those games available. However, videos of pornographic games would (presumably) themselves be pornographic, so all that law immediately kicks in.

Obviously, the only law SDA has to worry about is the law of whatever country or US state their server is in (if viewers in other countries are violating their local laws by watching, then that's their problem, not SDA's, and since no enforcing authority ever goes after viewers even when the law exists to allow them to, that really doesn't matter). I assume SDA is hosted in the US. From what I can gather from Wikipedia, there are basically no federal laws in the US about the distribution of pornography; instead each state has its own set of laws. So if someone decides to submit a pornographic run, the admins will - if they care about keeping on the right side of the law - have to look up the laws of the state where SDA content is hosted and take whatever steps are needed to become compliant (probably none at all since SDA isn't distributing commercially).

I don't know anything about the specifics of the law, but I would expect that the most likely scenarios are that either
a) No action needs to be taken and they can be hosted like any other runs, or
b) SDA will need to put in one of those annoying and utterly pointless 'click here to confirm that you're over 18' popups before people could watch the run in question.

Actually, now that I think about it, ridd3r, it is different because most countries have specific laws regarding the distribution of pornographic material. It's true that many of the [i]games[/i] SDA hosts videos of are illegal for [i]retailers[/i] to [i]sell[/i] to anyone under 18, but that doesn't imply that SDA is doing anything wrong by [i]freely[/i] making [i]videos[/i] of those games available. However, videos of pornographic games would (presumably) themselves be pornographic, so all that law immediately kicks in.

Obviously, the only law SDA has to worry about is the law of whatever country or US state their server is in (if viewers in other countries are violating their local laws by watching, then that's their problem, not SDA's, and since no enforcing authority ever goes after viewers even when the law exists to allow them to, that really doesn't matter). I assume SDA is hosted in the US. From what I can gather from Wikipedia, there are basically no federal laws in the US about the distribution of pornography; instead each state has its own set of laws. So if someone decides to submit a pornographic run, the admins will - if they care about keeping on the right side of the law - have to look up the laws of the state where SDA content is hosted and take whatever steps are needed to become compliant (probably none at all since SDA isn't distributing commercially).

I don't know anything about the specifics of the law, but I would expect that the most likely scenarios are that either
a) No action needs to be taken and they can be hosted like any other runs, or
b) SDA will need to put in one of those annoying and utterly pointless 'click here to confirm that you're over 18' popups before people could watch the run in question.

2010-04-22 03:09:55 pm

The Speedrunning Teacher

Quote from ExplodingCabbage:

I don't know anything about the specifics of the law, but I would expect that the most likely scenarios are that either
a) No action needs to be taken and they can be hosted like any other runs, or
b) SDA will need to put in one of those annoying and utterly pointless 'click here to confirm that you're over 18' popups before people could watch the run in question.

Honestly, I would prefer that 'annoying and utterly pointless' disclaimer. Mind you, this is me speaking from my own moral standards, and shouldn't be a major factor in whether games of this style are allowed here at SDA. I know that I wouldn't be the only one who would prefer to have that disclaimer.

ExplodingCabbage

2010-04-22 03:17:11 pm

Zyre, what good does the disclaimer do? Under 18s can click 'Yes, I'm over 18' just as easily as over 18s can.

2010-04-22 03:20:22 pm

It's less about enforcing the laws and more about informing the viewers and saying that SDA takes no responsibility for their actions.

ExplodingCabbage

2010-04-22 03:26:58 pm

Well of course there should be a notice saying 'Please be aware that this video contains pornographic material'. That's nothing to do with the law or the morality of pornography, that's simple courtesy so that someone doesn't accidentally load up a Hentai video in front of their boss/Evangelical Christian girlfriend/frail and aging mother. The idea that any good is served by us having this notice require people to claim to be 18 in order to continue - all the while fully aware that any under 18s wanting to watch will simply lie - seems daft to me, though. Even if you firmly hold the belief that under 18s shouldn't be exposed to pornography, it's pretty obvious that these notices don't prevent it.

2010-04-22 03:35:51 pm

train kept rollin

Honestly, If an under 18 year old wanted to look at porn I can think of far more easier ways of finding it. Google for example. I honestly dont think it would be a problem just as long as you let people know what there getting into.

2010-04-22 03:36:52 pm

Quote from ExplodingCabbage:

Zyre, what good does the disclaimer do? Under 18s can click 'Yes, I'm over 18' just as easily as over 18s can.

yeah, same as any other free porn site.

2010-04-22 03:38:04 pm

The Speedrunning Teacher

Quote from ExplodingCabbage:

Well of course there should be a notice saying 'Please be aware that this video contains pornographic material'. That's nothing to do with the law or the morality of pornography, that's simple courtesy so that someone doesn't accidentally load up a Hentai video in front of their boss/Evangelical Christian girlfriend/frail and aging mother. The idea that any good is served by us having this notice require people to claim to be 18 in order to continue - all the while fully aware that any under 18s wanting to watch will simply lie - seems daft to me, though. Even if you firmly hold the belief that under 18s shouldn't be exposed to pornography, it's pretty obvious that these notices don't prevent it.

I'm fully aware that it doesn't do anything to prevent minors from watching it. I'm a web designer/developer by trade and know how oblivious the Internet is to who is surfing it. I was merely looking more for the professional courtesy that such a thing provides. I know that I'm just a simple member here and that I don't really have the power to say that the disclaimer must be there or not. I was just stating my opinion.

A little professional courtesy can go a long ways too.

[quote="ExplodingCabbage"]
Well of course there should be a notice saying 'Please be aware that this video contains pornographic material'. That's nothing to do with the law or the morality of pornography, that's simple courtesy so that someone doesn't accidentally load up a Hentai video in front of their boss/Evangelical Christian girlfriend/frail and aging mother. The idea that any good is served by us having this notice require people to claim to be 18 in order to continue - all the while fully aware that any under 18s wanting to watch will simply lie - seems daft to me, though. Even if you firmly hold the belief that under 18s shouldn't be exposed to pornography, it's pretty obvious that these notices don't prevent it.
[/quote]

I'm fully aware that it doesn't do anything to prevent minors from watching it.  I'm a web designer/developer by trade and know how oblivious the Internet is to who is surfing it.  I was merely looking more for the professional courtesy that such a thing provides.  I know that I'm just a simple member here and that I don't really have the power to say that the disclaimer must be there or not.  I was just stating my opinion.

A little professional courtesy can go a long ways too.

2010-04-22 09:21:18 pm

We all scream for Eyes Cream

Another possible thing for these types of games is to force people to register and put in their birthdate on their profile settings(or during registration). The birthdate thing however will be 1 time, so if you screw up you can't change it unless you make a new account(Or contact someone who can change it..which I think we should make forbidden). As an extra, make it so a user has to have at least 10 NON-SPAM posts(Or posts containing 50 characters or more, not including signatures, pertaining to the thread they are posting in).

Just my idea really. The mention of the material is definitely needed, but I say we only have it on the run's page instead of the main site. This way only those who want to view the run with such material, as well as future ones, would have to deal with the notification.

ExplodingCabbage

2010-04-22 11:31:09 pm

I don't understand; why would we want to willingly go to such extents to stop minors seeing such runs? I totally don't understand what the 'moral' issue is here, especially since presumably anyone watching such a run wouldn't be watching it for the hentai content (they could get better, more easily, elsewhere).

2010-04-22 11:33:05 pm

i guess some people may see it as a challenge. if the kid sees the boobs then you lose. but i'm not really interested in that challenge.

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