GTA San Andreas Official Thread

KFC

2013-03-11 06:18:24 am

ChickenB0h BOH! :D

so we need to find fastest-hardest routes possible so we can watch him suffer executing them :>

sett3

2013-03-11 07:00:23 am

As freakypaddy mentioned, use instant run-over bike kill in gray imports. works perfectly, also you can skip all the guys in warehouse and pick up armor in the room while waiting for him to move out

sett3

2013-03-11 07:05:59 am

somehow video won't attached in previous post

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Joshimuz

2013-03-11 11:58:07 am

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As freakypaddy mentioned, use instant run-over bike kill in gray imports. works perfectly

Brilliant, I love it Tongue

Patrick

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Patrick: 2013-03-11 01:31:34 pm

Patrick: 2013-03-11 01:30:56 pm

2013-03-11 12:46:12 pm

I found out how to consistently walk with the minigun (frame limiter off, tested with 60 fps, using Bandicam's lock fps w/o recording feature): hold down a or s, then the aim button, then let go of a/s if you want to. The order is important afaik. If you fail that for some reason and he stands still, hold a or s.

E: copying from chat: afaik, Sweet is no superhuman when you are far away from him, so he is much more vulnerable to you shooting him.

cpwr

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cpwr: 2013-03-11 02:54:03 pm

2013-03-11 02:53:15 pm

Josh, can you explain how you get your homies to shoot the right people in "Drive-Thru". I get it sometimes, but then it's just luck. I get them to stuck right after the corner, but no matter how I position my car they don't get shot Angry

S.

2013-03-11 04:52:25 pm

You want whoever is sitting behind you in your car ( I think it's Sweet?) to shoot the passenger of the Ballas car. Ie, line their windows up so Sweet gets a clear shot.

cpwr

2013-03-11 05:05:11 pm

Hmm, k. I think that get's a long night of trial and error Tongue

Patrick

2013-03-11 05:36:13 pm

I'd wait for Josh in case he can give you tipps. I recommend that you check whether he is still in oasiz____'s chat or wait.

Gray Imports: you can run over the objective immediately in the office. Takes practice though and I am still looking for a good 'nano'-route to make it easier.
useless but interesting: It is possible to trigger the objective from the roof top (you get up there thanks to the extra height of the bike) after making the enemies spawn but that wastes time.

Gang terr: 2x 1st wave is enough (sample size: 1 !!!!!!), but this is probably irrelevant. Just in case you die and reloading isn't worth it (in the 19th terr. for example) or start vigilante by accident.

Posting the 'useless' stuff for fun, inspiration for other missions and the case that they aren't useless when modified. And so that the 'work' wasn't that 'wasted'.

cpwr

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cpwr: 2013-03-11 07:12:03 pm

2013-03-11 07:11:43 pm

Ah, I hate my life. Think I have the hang now for "Drive-Thru". Recorded Segment 1 again, saved about 2 minutes compared to Cannibal, Fraps f'cked up the file Angry

Patrick

2013-03-12 01:56:02 am

Are you sure it can't be fixed by someone like Nate? Or is it a 0 byte file... I wish you good luck. :-) Josh is going to have the pleasure of beating a seg'd run and shortly after that the former one will be replaced by a better one. That's nice. :-)

cpwr

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2013-03-12 07:29:35 am

It's a 0 byte file, no chance of fixing it Sad

E:

Because you like to damage your car in Management Issues, here's something that might help you:

sett3

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sett3: 2013-03-17 01:04:59 am

2013-03-17 01:00:10 am

i have a small idea: maybe we should create San Andreas topic for all speedrunners? i mean, for any% segmented and SS, and for 100% segmented and SS. so, every speedrunner can reserve 1-4 post in topic for his updates

Also, here're my 100% segments:

sett3

2013-03-17 12:06:59 pm

what do you think about 3rd segment? should i re-run it and get better results in drive-by and with all random shit that happend in segment that worth about ~15 seconds, or its good?

DJS

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2013-03-17 12:26:05 pm

torch slug since 2006

changed the first post & topic title...

~~if someone could give me the current WR's and such, so i could add them to the first post, that'd be great~~ i think i got em. not sure about 100% segmented/SS though.

sett3

2013-03-17 12:41:19 pm

we haven't got any records on SDA yet, but 100% segmented record is 15:05 by MrGamerDerek

sett3

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sett3: 2013-03-17 01:05:21 pm

2013-03-17 12:53:48 pm

also, i dont think you should post my old 100% thread, cos currently i'm rerunning it, so maybe you can add my segments under the spoiler in first post, and when i'll make progress and post links here, you'll put them under spoiler too?
OR just add that playlist http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk0lytofOjTAhWLs9lH_T3Lkk9Y-vzjj0&feature=edit_ok

Also, add S as single-segment 100% speedrunner, his twitch - http://twitch.tv/lotsofs/

Patrick

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Patrick: 2013-03-18 04:03:04 am

Patrick: 2013-03-18 04:02:19 am

2013-03-18 04:00:03 am

Comments on the 6:39 run:
I watched a tiny bit of the archives (10 min or so)
That you failed 'Green Goo' with 'my strat' is because you stood 10m ;-) away from the wall and not directly behind it. This is my bad as I didn't clarify the necessity of standing right behind it - I never made that mistake (standing not directly behind it). It is consistent though, with that teleporting software I could test it 10 times or so w/o it taking too much time and I never came close to fail it.

Your insitance on executing the strategies needs to get smaller IMO. Your insistence on getting the minigun before the second to last mission would have cost at least four minutes even if you didn't mess up. I timed 6 min lost from mission start to mission start. You should do cost-benefit analysis more often - 3-5min lost vs. 20-60s gained on Smoke+60s on Los Desperados.

The Home In The Hills chase skip can be done w/o the minigun. :-) You can shoot the ceiling [wrong word, but should be understandable] while he is driving over it, the explosion is strong enough. Afaik you get two tries, i.e. 2 80% chances -> 96% success rate (0.2*0.2=failure rate).

adv/disadvantages:
- saves picking it up - 5-10s or so (Black Project strats follow later, if the criticism is that you need to pick up the armor next to the minigun anyways)
- with rockets 'Saint Mark's Bistro' is much saver and faster
--- maybe makes picking up the armor before Saint Mark's unnecessary (should be easy with rockets; you get armor in the next mission)
- maybe makes A Home in the Hills much saver,
---because you can rocket kill the guys in the health room in case of emergency (not tested if there is an absolutely save way of doing that w/o rockets, there should be)

disadvantages:
the fire spread can be bothering, need to test that more
the minigun is more useful in a few places, e.g. in Black Project

Oh yes, the 'two-finger-technique' :-D - for mouse wheels:
two fingers on mouse wheel, scroll with the first, then while scrolling w/ the second move first finger back to where it was before scrolling. W/ fram lim off it makes running a bit faster if you are good at it. Skipping cs w/ mouse wheel? Has crashed my game once, but it crashes all the time while loading. :-D I don't recommend it.

Comments on the 6:39 run:
I watched a tiny bit of the archives (10 min or so)
That you failed 'Green Goo' with 'my strat' is because you stood 10m ;-) away from the wall and not directly behind it. This is my bad as I didn't clarify the necessity of standing right behind it - I never made that mistake (standing not directly behind it). It is consistent though, with that teleporting software I could test it 10 times or so w/o it taking too much time and I never came close to fail it.

Your insitance on executing the strategies needs to get smaller IMO. Your insistence on getting the minigun before the second to last mission would have cost at least four minutes even if you didn't mess up. I timed 6 min lost from mission start to mission start. You should do cost-benefit analysis more often - 3-5min lost vs. 20-60s gained on Smoke+60s on Los Desperados.

The Home In The Hills chase skip can be done w/o the minigun. :-) You can shoot the ceiling [wrong word, but should be understandable] while he is driving over it, the explosion is strong enough. Afaik you get two tries, i.e. 2 80% chances -> 96% success rate (0.2*0.2=failure rate).

adv/disadvantages:
- saves picking it up - 5-10s or so (Black Project strats follow later, if the criticism is that you need to pick up the armor next to the minigun anyways)
- with rockets 'Saint Mark's Bistro' is much saver and faster
--- maybe makes picking up the armor before Saint Mark's unnecessary (should be easy with rockets; you get armor in the next mission) 
- maybe makes A Home in the Hills much saver,
---because you can rocket kill the guys in the health room in case of emergency (not tested if there is an absolutely save way of doing that w/o rockets, there should be)

disadvantages:
the fire spread can be bothering, need to test that more
the minigun is more useful in a few places, e.g. in Black Project

Oh yes, the 'two-finger-technique' :-D - for mouse wheels:
two fingers on mouse wheel, scroll with the first, then while scrolling w/ the second move first finger back to where it was before scrolling. W/ fram lim off it makes running a bit faster if you are good at it. Skipping cs w/ mouse wheel? Has crashed my game once, but it crashes all the time while loading. :-D I don't recommend it.

S.

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S.: 2013-03-18 07:07:32 am

S.: 2013-03-18 07:07:22 am

2013-03-18 07:06:23 am

So I've been doing 100% runs SS myself and I found out this: Eat at a food stand/ sprunk machine because it's faster than going into CJ House and save/eating at a pizza restaurant if you're really desperate.

Food stands: Hot dogs, stuff like this. You Only Eat Once (YOEO) though, but they work well for missions that require some health, but not all of it. (Example: There's one at the end of that pier)

Sprunk machines: A lot slower, but should still be faster than going into CJ's house. You can also use them multiple times. They don't protect against game crashes though. (Example: There's one outside the Green Bottle cafe, I think.)

I will try and make a map later.

Molotok

2013-03-18 08:46:40 am

I watched Joshimuz run and i´m a bit confused here. (I´m 100% sure it´s nothing new.) He plays with frame limiter off all the time and i know it breaks game physics in some situations. But how does the gameplay get affected exactly, now that freakypaddy mentioned that you can actually run faster with limiter off... is it hardware dependent then? If so, then how can you legitimately compare runs on different computers if one gets advantage because of better computer? :0

S.

2013-03-18 12:18:21 pm

Hardware dependent yes.

Joshimuz

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2013-03-18 12:38:29 pm

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That you failed 'Green Goo' with 'my strat' is because you stood 10m ;-) away from the wall and not directly behind it. This is my bad as I didn't clarify the necessity of standing right behind it - I never made that mistake (standing not directly behind it). It is consistent though, with that teleporting software I could test it 10 times or so w/o it taking too much time and I never came close to fail it.

My bad, I knew I had to stand close to the wall but if you stand to close CJ just holds his gun up into the air and doesn't shoot, I must of gone back way too far though.

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Your insitance on executing the strategies needs to get smaller IMO. Your insistence on getting the minigun before the second to last mission would have cost at least four minutes even if you didn't mess up. I timed 6 min lost from mission start to mission start. You should do cost-benefit analysis more often - 3-5min lost vs. 20-60s gained on Smoke+60s on Los Desperados.

I never though of this but you are correct. Someone pointed it out to me the other day when I was trying to do "Wrong Side of The Tracks", they asked my why I didn't just follow the train normally if I failed the strat. For some reason it never crossed my mind to just continue on with intended routes if I fail/something goes wrong.
The same logic can be applied here, I used the minigun for the gang territories, I should of left it at that and just finished the last few missions with MicroSMG + M4.
However, in my defence, that plane was bulls**t.

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The Home In The Hills chase skip can be done w/o the minigun. :-) You can shoot the ceiling [wrong word, but should be understandable] while he is driving over it, the explosion is strong enough. Afaik you get two tries, i.e. 2 80% chances -> 96% success rate (0.2*0.2=failure rate).

I assume your talking about with a Rocket Launcher, I can't think of any other weapon which would kill him through the ground Tongue

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Oh yes, the 'two-finger-technique' :-D - for mouse wheels:
two fingers on mouse wheel, scroll with the first, then while scrolling w/ the second move first finger back to where it was before scrolling. W/ fram lim off it makes running a bit faster if you are good at it. Skipping cs w/ mouse wheel? Has crashed my game once, but it crashes all the time while loading. :-D I don't recommend it.

Yeah I know of this, I'm not really a fan of it, I prefer mashing space bar, but your right it must be better since a lot of PC gamers/speedrunning use it.

*Rant incoming*

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I watched Joshimuz run and i´m a bit confused here. (I´m 100% sure it´s nothing new.) He plays with frame limiter off all the time and i know it breaks game physics in some situations. But how does the gameplay get affected exactly, now that freakypaddy mentioned that you can actually run faster with limiter off... is it hardware dependent then? If so, then how can you legitimately compare runs on different computers if one gets advantage because of better computer? :0

I know its not your fault since your just asking a question but I'm starting to get really sick of people saying/asking this Sad

Let me go over the arguments against me toggling the frame limiter...

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Its hardware dependant, therefore unfair because it gives whoever has the best PC an advantage (Theoreticaly)

If I played GTA:SA on a crap PC and got 2 FPS, would that be fair? I would have to turn all the settings down, then the draw distance would be shorter making it harder to play, among other things. My PC can use max draw distance with max settings. Widescreen gives a better FoV from what I understand too. Do we make everyone else play at 2 FPS, minimum settings too? :S
If I played it on a crappy tiny monitor at some stupidly low res and couldn't see enemies/cars/whatever as well as other people would that be fair? (Likewise if I had a massive screen at 4k resolution I would be able to see much better)
My mouse has 17 buttons on it, so I can press the buttons 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,-,= more easily. I could bind it to the num pad so I could fly the hydra without moving my hand off the mouse, is this fair?
What about load times? This isn't even a PC specific problem, just look at Mario 64 on Virtual Console and the whole thing with that being lagless.

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It may be an ingame option, but so is the console in source games and other PC games

I thought console commands were considered cheating? There are cheats built into GTA games as well as many others and they are not ok which is why people don't use console commands.
This isn't a cheat code, its a visual setting, like playing SC2 on low so you can see invisible units/tell what buildings are being build etc more easily. I thought this would be something that PC speedruns tend to just accept.

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Its side effects of speeding the game up are un-intended

As are all of the tricks/glitches that are used throughout the game, and every other game which people speed run.

I thought the whole point of speedrunning was to play the fastest version. Hence why the Any% of OoT or Wind Waker is on the Japanese version, and the English version isn't part of plain old Any%. The basic categories of Any% and 100% are always the fastest ones possible, whether its version or load times or FPS

Look I'm sorry, I really don't want to be an ass about this, and if I'm really wrong about something please tell me, I'm new to this and I don't want to be a dick and make everyone hate me, if it really is cheating then I will turn it on Sad

I never turned it Off to make the game faster, I honestly just did it because I wanted to play at 60FPS like every other PC game I played Sad

I would just VSync it to limit it to 60FPS so at least we have that to say "Ok guys 60FPS is Ok" but Vsync doesn't work will streaming very well. Every game I VSync then stream I get 55 FPS in. I remember someone at some point suggesting something to me that would maybe correctly limit the fps to 60. I think it was called Bandicam or something I'm not too sure.

[quote]That you failed 'Green Goo' with 'my strat' is because you stood 10m ;-) away from the wall and not directly behind it. This is my bad as I didn't clarify the necessity of standing right behind it - I never made that mistake (standing not directly behind it). It is consistent though, with that teleporting software I could test it 10 times or so w/o it taking too much time and I never came close to fail it. [/quote]
My bad, I knew I had to stand close to the wall but if you stand to close CJ just holds his gun up into the air and doesn't shoot, I must of gone back way too far though.

[quote]Your insitance on executing the strategies needs to get smaller IMO. Your insistence on getting the minigun before the second to last mission would have cost at least four minutes even if you didn't mess up. I timed 6 min lost from mission start to mission start. You should do cost-benefit analysis more often - 3-5min lost vs. 20-60s gained on Smoke+60s on Los Desperados.[/quote]
I never though of this but you are correct. Someone pointed it out to me the other day when I was trying to do "Wrong Side of The Tracks", they asked my why I didn't just follow the train normally if I failed the strat. For some reason it never crossed my mind to just continue on with intended routes if I fail/something goes wrong. 
The same logic can be applied here, I used the minigun for the gang territories, I should of left it at that and just finished the last few missions with MicroSMG + M4. 
However, in my defence, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfONdyWD1mk]that plane was bulls**t.[/url]

[quote]The Home In The Hills chase skip can be done w/o the minigun. :-) You can shoot the ceiling [wrong word, but should be understandable] while he is driving over it, the explosion is strong enough. Afaik you get two tries, i.e. 2 80% chances -> 96% success rate (0.2*0.2=failure rate).[/quote]
I assume your talking about with a Rocket Launcher, I can't think of any other weapon which would kill him through the ground :P

[quote]Oh yes, the 'two-finger-technique' :-D - for mouse wheels:
two fingers on mouse wheel, scroll with the first, then while scrolling w/ the second move first finger back to where it was before scrolling. W/ fram lim off it makes running a bit faster if you are good at it. Skipping cs w/ mouse wheel? Has crashed my game once, but it crashes all the time while loading. :-D I don't recommend it.[/quote]
Yeah I know of this, I'm not really a fan of it, I prefer mashing space bar, but your right it must be better since a lot of PC gamers/speedrunning use it.

*Rant incoming*

[quote]I watched Joshimuz run and i´m a bit confused here. (I´m 100% sure it´s nothing new.) He plays with frame limiter off all the time and i know it breaks game physics in some situations. But how does the gameplay get affected exactly, now that freakypaddy mentioned that you can actually run faster with limiter off... is it hardware dependent then? If so, then how can you legitimately compare runs on different computers if one gets advantage because of better computer? :0[/quote]
I know its not your fault since your just asking a question but I'm starting to get really sick of people saying/asking this :(

Let me go over the arguments against me toggling the frame limiter...

[quote]Its hardware dependant, therefore unfair because it gives whoever has the best PC an advantage (Theoreticaly)[/quote]
If I played GTA:SA on a crap PC and got 2 FPS, would that be fair? I would have to turn all the settings down, then the draw distance would be shorter making it harder to play, among other things. My PC can use max draw distance with max settings. Widescreen gives a better FoV from what I understand too. Do we make everyone else play at 2 FPS, minimum settings too? :S
If I played it on a crappy tiny monitor at some stupidly low res and couldn't see enemies/cars/whatever as well as other people would that be fair? (Likewise if I had a massive screen at 4k resolution I would be able to see much better)
My mouse has 17 buttons on it, so I can press the buttons 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,-,= more easily. I could bind it to the num pad so I could fly the hydra without moving my hand off the mouse, is this fair?
What about load times? This isn't even a PC specific problem, just look at Mario 64 on Virtual Console and the whole thing with that being lagless.

[quote]It may be an ingame option, but so is the console in source games and other PC games[/quote]
I thought console commands were considered cheating? There are cheats built into GTA games as well as many others and they are not ok which is why people don't use console commands.
This isn't a cheat code, its a visual setting, like playing SC2 on low so you can see invisible units/tell what buildings are being build etc more easily. I thought this would be something that PC speedruns tend to just accept.

[quote]Its side effects of speeding the game up are un-intended[/quote]
As are all of the tricks/glitches that are used throughout the game, and every other game which people speed run.

I thought the whole point of speedrunning was to play the fastest version. Hence why the Any% of OoT or Wind Waker is on the Japanese version, and the English version isn't part of plain old Any%. The basic categories of Any% and 100% are always the fastest ones possible, whether its version or load times or FPS

Look I'm sorry, I really don't want to be an ass about this, and if I'm really wrong about something please tell me, I'm new to this and I don't want to be a dick and make everyone hate me, if it really is cheating then I will turn it on :(
I never turned it Off to make the game faster, I honestly just did it because I wanted to play at 60FPS like every other PC game I played :( I would just VSync it to limit it to 60FPS so at least we have that to say "Ok guys 60FPS is Ok" but Vsync doesn't work will streaming very well. Every game I VSync then stream I get 55 FPS in. I remember someone at some point suggesting something to me that would maybe correctly limit the fps to 60. I think it was called Bandicam or something I'm not too sure.

sett3

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2013-03-18 12:39:19 pm

but i need to mention, that frame limiter affect only speed over spraying tags, and maaaaaybe your car speed. but this advantage doesn't matter at all, cos he needs to turn frame limiter on in some situations, like swimming or flying school. just to say, that i'm also playing with limiter turned off, but with 35 fps fixed with fraps, cos my eyes cant stand that 25 fps. but this fact can't just delete me from speedrunning community, just because someone doesn't like it

Patrick

2013-03-18 12:58:48 pm

Bandicam, yes, even w/o recording. Or Fraps (w/ recording).

S.

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2013-03-18 01:06:06 pm

I say we just disable the frame limiter in order to not destroy our eyes, and then just leave it alone, and try not to do fancy stuff with it.

Personally I cba turning it off and on in the settings all the time (I don't like changing game settings midway through a run), so I just play with it off since I'm not bothered by the 25 fps.