Final Fantasy VIII

Carcinogen

2009-02-22 09:34:54 am

I highly doubt that.

iiTaane

2009-02-22 08:59:44 pm

The Journey Is The Reward.

Quote from Carcinogen:

I highly doubt that.

Why? When they attack and the camera move's around, isn't that wasting time compared to if the camera stayed still. Im just putting it into perspective like on pokemon, how they change the battle style to set. Just thought that it *could* be a potential time saver..

Sum2k3

2009-02-22 10:49:02 pm

IIRC, it shouldn't save time. Attacks, etc. should be similarly to camera moves..

Carcinogen

2009-02-23 12:27:55 am

The camera moves around WHILE they're attacking.

Sum2k3

2009-02-23 08:21:27 am

yeah. didn't i said that?^^ (if not, i'm sorry)

ENZ

2009-03-14 04:18:49 am

Hey darkwasabi

We have a problem. Pandemona learns Initiative in part 20. But this is not possible. The GF gets about 75AP until this point. You draw it in part 15, but you couple it with Kiros in part 18. Can you explain this to us?

Scorpio

2009-03-24 01:30:16 pm

Watcher

hmmm.
Are there A-N-Y chances for the game to have a run, that is submitted on SDA? Roll Eyes

Carcinogen

2009-03-24 01:33:29 pm

Never!

darkwasabi

2009-04-05 09:10:34 pm

King of hearts

Quote from ENZ:

Hey darkwasabi

We have a problem. Pandemona learns Initiative in part 20. But this is not possible. The GF gets about 75AP until this point. You draw it in part 15, but you couple it with Kiros in part 18. Can you explain this to us?

Yeah, part 16 was the segment I was talking about that was missing. I just redid and recorded this segment only as a reference. I realized I forgot to junction Pandemona but it didn't matter since it wasn't going to be submitted and I just made a comment about it in my notes. You'll notice my HP and the items I got from the paratroop battle are also inconsistent in the next segment.

MrNintendo

2009-04-22 05:34:24 pm

Tears, they fall just like runs that are too slow.

I know there are topics about FF8 on SDA, but they all involve other games as well.

That said, there are a few questions I would like answers to.

1. What should the target time be? 7 hours, 8 hours, 9? 10?

2. Do GFs level up from bosses as well as random encounters?

3. Should I ever draw magic from enemies? or just drawcast and draw from draw points?

I've lately wanted to rip this game a new one, and I will welcome support!

Zero_Awakening

2009-04-22 06:05:20 pm

i was actually considering this game at some point in the near future as this was my favorite final fantasy ^_^; I'm not sure what a target time would be but what i CAN tell you is that i had gotten every final weapon, leveled everyone to 99 and all GFs in under 36hrs XD. Draw magic from enemies is actually how you get most of your GFs if i remember correctly, minus shiva and ifrit and quezecotl.

From what i can remember:
1) fight diablo (the gf) early on as he just gets stronger and stronger AND he has % based damage up to the 9999cap.
2)Eden, even though he can break the 9999 cap is a waste of time as he takes FOREVER to get, there is a very tall stairwell where every 1-2 steps-> another fight, as well as the fact that his attack TAKES FOREVER to do. Even though he can do 35k, its just not worth the time and effort.
3) Zell's limit break is a great damage dealer if you memorize his combos, i remember i found a section of moves you can REPEAT before using the finishing attack of his limit break so that you can do that until the timer is about to be up and then finish your combo, its quite a bit of damage.

You should probably be able to do a sub 10hr speed run considering that you will be spamming (X) through the chat boxes and i dont recall any battles being too tough except for the side quests for the really strong junk and the last dungeon has a little bit of luck, as well as the final boss but obviously this being segmented you just try till you have it.

Good luck! IF i get done with Parasite eve soon i may hop on board for running this game ^_^;

i was actually considering this game at some point in the near future as this was my favorite final fantasy ^_^; I'm not sure what a target time would be but what i CAN tell you is that i had gotten every final weapon, leveled everyone to 99 and all GFs in under 36hrs XD. Draw magic from enemies is actually how you get most of your GFs if i remember correctly, minus shiva and ifrit and quezecotl.

From what i can remember:
1) fight diablo (the gf) early on as he just gets stronger and stronger AND he has % based damage up to the 9999cap. 
2)Eden, even though he can break the 9999 cap is a waste of time as he takes FOREVER to get, there is a very tall stairwell where every 1-2 steps-> another fight, as well as the fact that his attack TAKES FOREVER to do. Even though he can do 35k, its just not worth the time and effort.
3) Zell's limit break is a great damage dealer if you memorize his combos, i remember i found a section of moves you can REPEAT before using the finishing attack of his limit break so that you can do that until the timer is about to be up and then finish your combo, its quite a bit of damage.

You should probably be able to do a sub 10hr speed run considering that you will be spamming (X) through the chat boxes and i dont recall any battles being too tough except for the side quests for the really strong junk and the last dungeon has a little bit of luck, as well as the final boss but obviously this being segmented you just try till you have it.

Good luck! IF i get done with Parasite eve soon i may hop on board for running this game ^_^;

MrNintendo

2009-04-22 06:43:54 pm

Tears, they fall just like runs that are too slow.

Although characters don't level up during boss battles, do GFs?

Essentia

2009-04-22 07:16:55 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

Darkwasabi completed a run with a time of 8:47, but unfortunately he lost one of the segments and couldn't submit it to SDA. Some improvements to that run have been found since then, so you should definitely aim for under 8:47. If you're serious about running FFVIII, you should check out this thread, or at least the last few pages of it, since that's where most of the important information is. Darkwasabi also uploaded his run to Archive, and he provides links to it on page 84 of that thread. I recommend watching his run to see what strategies he used.

Seijiro

2009-04-22 07:50:01 pm

The Camera Obscura had no effect

GFs can learn abilities from boss fights since bosses give AP. Bosses give 0 exp though, so GFs won't level form that.
...I wish I had more advice to give, but I don't. I'm a bit of an FFVIII amateur...good luck with the run! I'd love to watch it.

Zero_Awakening

2009-04-22 09:19:25 pm

Quote from MrNintendo:

Although characters don't level up during boss battles, do GFs?

wow i never noticed u didnt get exp from boss battles but i checked ^_^;; well then that just solidifies the fact that you will have to devote at least 1 segment to grinding or get slightly higher times per segment.

darkwasabi

2009-04-22 11:33:54 pm

King of hearts

I love how the one post which is the most informative was completely ignored.

Zealie

2009-04-23 12:43:52 am

Shouldn't it be posted in that thread that Essentia posted anyway?
I thought the policy was to have as little as different threads as possible, ergo this one should be dropped (and posting can continue in the other one).
Might be wrong though Tongue

MrNintendo

2009-04-23 05:40:28 am

Tears, they fall just like runs that are too slow.

Thank you guys for all the tips! Do you think mine would have to be faster than darkwasabi's to be accepted?

P.S. I know there are other topics with FF8 in them, but they all seemed to have other games too, this one is about FF8 exclusively!

scaryice

2009-04-23 05:53:05 am

Quote from MrNintendo:

Thank you guys for all the tips! Do you think mine would have to be faster than darkwasabi's to be accepted?

yes

MrNintendo

2009-04-23 06:06:52 am

Tears, they fall just like runs that are too slow.

Crud... that will be difficult! One last question guys, would it be worth drawing magic from regular enemies like fire, blizzard and thunder? Or to just spam GFs? cause I think time gained by drawing and junctioning would outweigh the time you had to use GFs and their long animations.

mikwuyma

2009-04-23 07:49:19 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Quote from MrNintendo:

I know there are topics about FF8 on SDA, but they all involve other games as well.

Really? "Final Fantasy VIII (no more speedrunning for me *sadface*)" looks like it's only talking about FFVIII, unless if toying with DarkWasabi's emotions counts as a separate game. Undecided

Quote from ZaibirQuild:

Shouldn't it be posted in that thread that Essentia posted anyway?
I thought the policy was to have as little as different threads as possible, ergo this one should be dropped (and posting can continue in the other one).
Might be wrong though Tongue

No, you're correct, topics merged.

MrNintendo: If you're really serious about running this game then be prepared to practice and redo segments constantly. I would advise against making 5 posts in different topics about other games you want to run, it makes you look a touch less serious. Tongue

To add a bit to the discussion apparently DarkWasabi has some good info in pages 77-79.

Also, the post below has some good information.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/forum/index.php/topic,5106.msg266124.html#msg266124

[quote="MrNintendo"]
I know there are topics about FF8 on SDA, but they all involve other games as well.
[/quote]

Really? "Final Fantasy VIII (no more speedrunning for me *sadface*)" looks like it's only talking about FFVIII, unless if toying with DarkWasabi's emotions counts as a separate game. :-\

[quote="ZaibirQuild"]
Shouldn't it be posted in that thread that Essentia posted anyway?
I thought the policy was to have as little as different threads as possible, ergo this one should be dropped (and posting can continue in the other one).
Might be wrong though :P
[/quote]

No, you're correct, topics merged.

MrNintendo: If you're really serious about running this game then be prepared to practice and redo segments constantly. I would advise against making 5 posts in different topics about other games you want to run, it makes you look a touch less serious. :P

To add a bit to the discussion apparently DarkWasabi has some good info in pages 77-79.

Also, the post below has some good information.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/forum/index.php/topic,5106.msg266124.html#msg266124

ZenicReverie

mikwuyma

Edit history:

mikwuyma: 2009-04-23 07:55:45 am

2009-04-23 07:52:33 am

Waiting hurts my soul...

Not to deter you from doing your best, but at least aim for sub-9. You may surprise yourself by what you can do after practicing for many, many hours.

This is the post with the run, except for a missing segment?

Quote from darkwasabi:

I finally got around to uploading all the files. Like I said before, these are in crappy 128kbps quality(LQ by SDA standards) and have no audio because these were the pre-muxed videos I saved just to use as a reference. Don't be fooled by archive.org's MPEG4 and OGG versions and think they're decent quality, just get the .avi(Cinepack) files.

http://www.archive.org/details/Ff8SpeedrunnoAudio
http://www.archive.org/details/Ff8SpeedRunnoAudioPt2
http://www.archive.org/details/Ff8SpeedRunnoAudioPt3

This is the run that should've been up 2 years ago but then I found out that it was inconsistent in two parts.

One is very small but I found it because I was thinking about how I sometimes attempted segments 2 times and copied the older file to another memory card just in case that one was quicker. Well this was one of those cases but I had forgotten to copy the file back. So I stayed with one video but continued playing with the other save file. I noticed this later when I was doing the same thing again with the next segment. You can see in segment 9 at around 18:22 that Squall need 201 Exp to level up, but in segment 10 at 2:57 Laguna(Squall) needs 175. Very very minor considering this has absolutely no effect on the run and since I guarantee no one would have ever noticed this inconsistency. Ever. Seriously, who the hell would have kept track of that? Not even the verifiers(yeah I'm talking to you guys!).

So I continued on my merry fucking way until I beat the damn game. I was in the middle of uploading this run when I realized that I didn't have the 24 segments I was supposed to and had 23. FUCK. So I went and checked the beginnings and endings of each file when I saw that the original segment 16 was gone. Segment 17 was named 16 and everything else was consistent. Must've forgotten to set my capture to create a new file before starting the next segment. Double FUCK.

I asked Radix if I could just redo that segment since I still had all my save files. He said as long as everything is consistent it's OK. Well, segment 9 and 10's little upset wasn't big since everyone heals, the only way you'd notice the inconsistency is to keep track of everyone's Exp. But here the HP was different. HP is a lot more noticeable. Not only that but I also had gotten some different items in that paratroop battle or something. Don't remember right now. Still that's TWO parts in the game where it's inconsistent. I couldn't just upload it and hope no one noticed it, even though in all honesty BOTH inconsistencies changed absolutely nothing in the run. Triple MOTHER FUCK!

Oh well, what's done is done.

If anyone does attempt this run make sure you use that walking trick discussed in the last few pages. It'll save you a couple of random encounters and ultimately save a couple of minutes. Go ahead and ask me anything about this game or my run, I'm quite knowledgeable. If my 3 little swears offend anybody, it's the internet, get over it and have a merry fucking christmas.

That'll probably be most helpful. Watch it, learn it, do it, improve it. Good luck. Cheesy

Not to deter you from doing your best, but at least aim for sub-9.  You may surprise yourself by what you can do after practicing for many, many hours.

This is the post with the run, except for a missing segment?

[quote="darkwasabi"]
I finally got around to uploading all the files.  Like I said before, these are in crappy 128kbps quality(LQ by SDA standards) and have no audio because these were the pre-muxed videos I saved just to use as a reference.  Don't be fooled by archive.org's MPEG4 and OGG versions and think they're decent quality, just get the .avi(Cinepack) files.

http://www.archive.org/details/Ff8SpeedrunnoAudio
http://www.archive.org/details/Ff8SpeedRunnoAudioPt2
http://www.archive.org/details/Ff8SpeedRunnoAudioPt3

This is the run that should've been up 2 years ago but then I found out that it was inconsistent in two parts.

One is very small but I found it because I was thinking about how I sometimes attempted segments 2 times and copied the older file to another memory card just in case that one was quicker.  Well this was one of those cases but I had forgotten to copy the file back.  So I stayed with one video but continued playing with the other save file.  I noticed this later when I was doing the same thing again with the next segment.  You can see in segment 9 at around 18:22 that Squall need 201 Exp to level up, but in segment 10 at 2:57 Laguna(Squall) needs 175.  Very very minor considering this has absolutely no effect on the run and since I guarantee no one would have ever noticed this inconsistency.  Ever.  Seriously, who the hell would have kept track of that?  Not even the verifiers(yeah I'm talking to you guys!).

So I continued on my merry fucking way until I beat the damn game.  I was in the middle of uploading this run when I realized that I didn't have the 24 segments I was supposed to and had 23.  FUCK.  So I went and checked the beginnings and endings of each file when I saw that the original segment 16 was gone.  Segment 17 was named 16 and everything else was consistent.  Must've forgotten to set my capture to create a new file before starting the next segment.  Double FUCK.

I asked Radix if I could just redo that segment since I still had all my save files.  He said as long as everything is consistent it's OK.  Well, segment 9 and 10's little upset wasn't big since everyone heals, the only way you'd notice the inconsistency is to keep track of everyone's Exp.  But here the HP was different.  HP is a lot more noticeable.  Not only that but I also had gotten some different items in that paratroop battle or something.  Don't remember right now.  Still that's TWO parts in the game where it's inconsistent.  I couldn't just upload it and hope no one noticed it, even though in all honesty BOTH inconsistencies changed absolutely nothing in the run.  Triple MOTHER FUCK!

Oh well, what's done is done.

If anyone does attempt this run make sure you use that walking trick discussed in the last few pages.  It'll save you a couple of random encounters and ultimately save a couple of minutes.  Go ahead and ask me anything about this game or my run, I'm quite knowledgeable.  If my 3 little swears offend anybody, it's the internet, get over it and have a merry fucking christmas.
[/quote]

That'll probably be most helpful.  Watch it, learn it, do it, improve it.  Good luck.   :D

Carcinogen

2009-04-23 07:59:35 am

There were no missing segments afaik. This version of the run just has no audio.

MrNintendo

2009-04-23 08:49:36 am

Tears, they fall just like runs that are too slow.

sorry mikuyuma, didn't see this one Tongue

I am serious about speedrunning, I just have so many games I would like to do!

@ZenicReverie: Oh, I will aim for sub 9, but I just don't know if I could beat darkwasabi. 8:47 is faster than my original disc one time! However, I think I could at least come close.

Strats: Draw for Squall and Quistis (fire, thunder, blizzard)
Grab original GFs plus Diablos.
no level ups.

With no level ups, I should be able to blaze through the game's boss battles.

Carcinogen

2009-04-23 08:52:00 am

Draw blizzard, fire, and thunder? You're kidding, right?

Come on, the whole run is right here in this thread and then some.