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Trepie #2:  (the one that tells you about knockdowns).

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Trepie #3 (only appears to have one grouping of Quistis cards).  Also, this is based on the assumption that there are only 256 hands, because every other RNG in the game is a single byte, or 8 bit, or 0 to 255. I doubt they'd make a random 1 byte + 1 bit RNG.

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Also, this post should help you, should you decide to SS The End, which may be easy, given how the RNG works.

http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=269876#269876
Quote from Poxnor:
and whether or not it is worth playing Zell's mom.

Roughly how much time would +60%str save?
Doesn't Triple make you one shot just about everything just by itself?

Quote from DarkKobold:
SS The End

I don't think it'd be worthwhile single segment. Even if you keep zell/squall/diablos from eating the wrong rng, you'd still be hitting cancel several hundred times in the worst case.
In segmented you could figure out where in Selphie's list you were and then jump to The End quickly on a second run. But SS that would require pausing or a ridiculous amount of brainpower to do on the fly, so beating Diablos down with Renzo would be faster.
Thanks a bunch DarkKobold!

Could you also post the hands for Zell's Mom? I still feel compelled to go for it, though it will elicit a lot of resets.
Edit history:
Poxnor: 2011-04-24 11:54:59 am
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So, the high-level analysis of DarkKobold's script is this:

Trepie #1: 80/256 chance (slightly lower than I thought)
Trepie #2: 71/256
Trepie #3: 19/256

So, assuming the methodology is correct (i.e., the underlying assumption that the PRNG is 8-bit), then Trepie #1 -- the one in the cafeteria -- is the best to play against for the Quistis card.

(Though further analysis of Trepie #2 may be worthwhile: does Trepie #2 play with lower-level cards than Trepie #1?  If so, it may be possible to try for the Quistis card earlier in an SS run than when I do.)
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Quote from gyth:
Roughly how much time would +60%str save?
Doesn't Triple make you one shot just about everything just by itself?

It would save some time, and would make quite a few fights easier (e.g., you could just mash away the first ironclad battle, instead of having to be creative with multiple limit breaks).  Remember, Str+60% doesn't increase damage by 60%; it roughly multiplies damage by 2.45.
Could someone tell me the chances of Seifer dropping a Holy War in the last encounter with him (end of Disk 3). Just recorded an attempt where he dropped one but the segment could use a slight improvement and I will do so if the drop rate isn't really low/rare.

All my work to get 3 characters junctioned to survive a Shockwave Pulsar for nothing. But hell, I'm not complaining. Holy war.
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From the battle mechanics...
  rnd = [0..255]
  if (rnd < 178) Slot = 0
    else if (rnd < 229) Slot = 1
      else if (rnd < 244) Slot = 2
        else Slot = 3

  Probability of..
    Slot 0          178/256    69.5%
    Slot 1            51/256    20%
    Slot 2            15/256    5.8%
    Slot 3            12/256    4.7%

From split infinities guide:
.=============.                                                    .-----------.
|Name: Seifer | (3rd time)                                        | {BOSS-32} |
|======================o==========================o=========o==================|
| Level Range: 1-32    | HP Range: 1200-7400      | AP: 20  | EXP: 0          |
|========o=============o==========================o=========o==================|
| Elemental Weakness(es): Poison [x1.5]                                        |
| Status Weakness(es): Sleep [20%], Slow [90%], Drain [100%],                  |
|                      Gravity, Vit0, The End                                  |
|==============================================================================|
| DRAW LIST: Lvl  1-19: Fire, Thunder, Dispel, Haste                          |
|            Lvl 20-29: Fira, Thundara, Dispel, Haste                          |
|            Lvl 30-32: Firaga, Thundaga, Dispel, Haste                        |
|==============================================================================|
| STEAL LIST:          |Card Mod Common: ---      | Card Mod Rare: ---        |
|=====o=================|================o==================o==================|
|Lvl: |~69.5% chance:  |~20% chance:    |~5.8% chance:    |~4.7% chance:    |
| 1-19|1x Hero          |1x Hero        |1x Holy War      |1x Holy War      |
|20-29|1x Hero          |1x Hero        |1x Holy War      |1x Holy War      |
|30-32|1x Hero          |1x Hero        |1x Holy War      |1x Holy War      |
|==============================================================================|
| DROPS LIST:          |Card Drop: ---                                        |
|=====o=================|================o==================o==================|
|Lvl: |~69.5% chance:  |~20% chance:    |~5.8% chance:    |~4.7% chance:    |
| 1-19|1x Hero          |1x Hero        |1x Holy War      |1x Holy War      |
|20-29|1x Hero          |1x Hero        |1x Holy War      |1x Holy War      |
|30-32|1x Hero          |1x Hero        |1x Holy War      |1x Holy War      |
'=============================================================================='



But won't you need to fight an additional boss to use items?
I havn't actually tested trying Ultimecia with no items and this wasn't my plan in the first place. Getting two support characters with decent HP/Spr to survive the Pulsar was done with the intention of saving Ultimecia removing them/replacing them with a new character (wasting 15~ secs).

I didn't even know Seifer could drop Holy Wars and it's a great realisation as this will save casting Shell and/or healing anyone whatsoever and leave my support characters to do additional Limits, if I end up doing so.

Thanks for the info Kobold.
Edit history:
Poxnor: 2011-04-25 05:16:43 pm
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Quote from Sush:
Could someone tell me the chances of Seifer dropping a Holy War in the last encounter with him (end of Disk 3).

255/256 chance that he drops anything.  If he drops something, it's a 27/256 chance that it's a Holy War.  So, overall, a 10.506% chance of getting a Holy War when battling him.

Edit: ack, I was too slow on the reply.  I see DarkKobold beat me to it.
Quote from Sush:
(end of Disk 3)

Same odds in the fight at the end of disc 2 as well.
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DarkKobold, would you be willing to post the script that you used to determine the card hands?  I'd love to be able to play with it a bit, and really look into what could be done on a console.

Thank you very much for all the information that you've provided! Smiley
Edit history:
DarkKobold: 2011-04-28 10:16:22 pm
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Certainly!

http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=271166#271166 (posted there for ease for me.)

I went ahead and added the card names in. Also, you can change the max, so if you want to test my 256 hands theory, you can.

Also, I didn't dump Zell's Mom, simply because I didn't have any savestates close to her, easily available.
Edit history:
Sush: 2011-04-29 10:22:47 am
Ran into one last problem. During the Ultimecia fight the screen shakes between phase 3 and 4 and after I get the last hit in, this causes massive FPS loss and very strange images.

Uploaded a short video of this here:



I've tried a bunch of stuff to fix this including updating my video drivers and running the game with every compatability option selected. Updating the drivers sped up the slowdown a small amount but the effect is very much the same.

In an attempt to improve this I downloaded a small mod that supposedly fixes various graphics problems by providing a lengthy list of extra graphics options. This fixed the slowdown but caused two different graphics glitches:

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/9742/glitch3.png ("Battle swirl")
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5186/glitch2yr.png

Any suggestions? I'd really like to get this Speed Run done and dusted.
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That's really strange, Sush.  You should post this in the Tech Support forum - they might have some suggestions.
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That's really strange, Sush.  You should post this in the Tech Support forum - they might have some suggestions.


Done. Hopefully I can get this all sorted.
The layout (or what) of the forum has changed. Now the page is 50, not 84. The OP should edit the first post.
Quote from FF8 lover:
The layout (or what) of the forum has changed. Now the page is 50, not 84. The OP should edit the first post.

You can edit the number of posts per page, so a page number will always be incorrect.  For me, the page count only goes to 32. :\
Well, I'm talking as a guest user. That number should indicate what the page number is in relation to the default setting of the board, so a guest can find the videos. Or just put a link to that post, don't know.
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Poxnor: Did you get the script running?
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Quote from DarkKobold:
Poxnor: Did you get the script running?

Sorry, haven't had a chance.  I'm working on some code for that SDAppend thread.  I'll be back to FF8 after the weekend Smiley

I'm guessing that it's PSXjin that you used the script with?

I'll let you know how it goes early in the week Smiley
Question. How do the verifiers tell if one is using an emulator or not?
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Quote from FF8 lover:
Question. How do the verifiers tell if one is using an emulator or not?

That question is probably better asked on the Tech Support or Verification boards, as opposed to cluttering a game thread.  Suffice it to say that lots of us use emulators in the planning phase, and it's a matter of honesty not to use one while making a recording.
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This has been really fun to follow and I'm looking forward to the finished run. I'm playing the game again for fun this week, and while I doubt I'll have anything to add as far as strategies (there's a long history of planning to this game already), I'll keep my eye out and follow the thread just in case. Good luck!