EarthBound

2006-06-16 04:30:18 pm

A Pink Floyd fan

I know I said that I was going to wait until this weekend, but I went ahead and started recording again. And I have a HUGE update.
I went really far this time compared to my other updates. I'm at the final save point (I think it's called the cave of the past or something like that) with a time of 6 hours and 12 minutes. This is 33 minutes faster than my first run. I only used 38 segments so far so this run will have a total of 39 segments. The funny thing is that my characters levels are over all the same ;D. Look at my previous posts to see my levels from my last run.

Levels from final save point
Ness: 67
Hp:660
Pp:493
Paula: 57
Hp:228
Pp:211
Jeff: 52
Hp:270
Pp:0
Poo: 52
Hp:330
Pp:112

Now all that is left to do is to go and beat Giygas. I should be able to all of this in under 7 hours ;D. Wish me luck. Hopefully it wont take me 50+ tries like last time.

connect4

2006-06-16 05:20:53 pm

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Wow!

I think the phrase good luck is definitely appropriate. Good luck! This is going to rock once you get it done.

rock1644

2006-06-16 05:57:57 pm

yes, a man carrying a gimp

How did you keep everyone near the same level? Did you make sure nobody died during battles?

MissileWaster

2006-06-16 06:53:51 pm

Quote:

I know I said that I was going to wait until this weekend, but I went ahead and started recording again. And I have a HUGE update.
I went really far this time compared to my other updates. I'm at the final save point (I think it's called the cave of the past or something like that) with a time of 6 hours and 12 minutes. This is 33 minutes faster than my first run. I only used 38 segments so far so this run will have a total of 39 segments. The funny thing is that my characters levels are over all the same ;D. Look at my previous posts to see my levels from my last run.

Levels from final save point
Ness: 67
Hp:660
Pp:493
Paula: 57
Hp:228
Pp:211
Jeff: 52
Hp:270
Pp:0
Poo: 52
Hp:330
Pp:112

Now all that is left to do is to go and beat Giygas. I should be able to all of this in under 7 hours ;D. Wish me luck. Hopefully it wont take me 50+ tries like last time.

*pees self*

That means you're ahead of your old run by a whole lot! Giyagas isn't too hard, so sweetness indeed Smiley

I cannot wait to see this run!!!

[quote]I know I said that I was going to wait until this weekend, but I went ahead and started recording again. And I have a HUGE update.
I went really far this time compared to my other updates. I'm at the final save point (I think it's called the cave of the past or something like that) with a time of 6 hours and 12 minutes. This is 33 minutes faster than my first run. I only used 38 segments so far so this run will have a total of 39 segments. The funny thing is that my characters levels are over all the same  ;D. Look at my previous posts to see my levels from my last run.

Levels from final save point
Ness: 67
   Hp:660
   Pp:493
Paula: 57
   Hp:228
   Pp:211
Jeff: 52
   Hp:270
   Pp:0
Poo: 52 
   Hp:330
   Pp:112

Now all that is left to do is to go and beat Giygas. I should be able to all of this in under 7 hours  ;D. Wish me luck. Hopefully it wont take me 50+ tries like last time.[/quote]
*pees self*

That means you're ahead of your old run by a whole lot! Giyagas isn't too hard, so sweetness indeed :) I cannot wait to see this run!!!

Evil_Ninja

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Evil_Ninja: 2006-06-16 07:35:45 pm

2006-06-16 07:21:53 pm

A Pink Floyd fan

YAY, I finished the run. I don't know which time you want so I'll give you several. I timed my run so that it starts when I gain control of my party and stop when I call dad (or Tony when playing as Jeff). I did this for every segment.

(These are estimates)
Final Hit (pray) against Giygas: 6 hours 43 minutes

Defeated boss and brought Paula Home, then went to talk to Ness's mother. (this time is after the conversation and right before credits): 6 hours 48 minutes.

All the way till the screen says The End (time for credits are included): 6 hours 59 minutes.

Since these are estimates, I'm going to try to get exact times. Shouldn't effect my time to much.

Some notes in my run
This run is about 32 minutes faster than my old run
Didn't use rock candy glitch
Didn't power level against criminal worms (Although I did verse one)
It is 39 segments on 4 VHS tapes (Sp speed of course)(I would of done it on my dvd recorder, but it is not working :-[ )

The reason my last segment was a little long was because I leveled up Ness to level 70 to learn LifeUp Omega, which made the Giygas fight a lot easier for me.

I thing that sums it up. If you have any questions about my run, you can ask me.

Rock1644, to answer your question I did try to keep all my party members alive. Except towards near the end of the game when I let Jeff and Poo die off so Ness and Paula can get extra experience.

YAY, I finished the run. I don't know which time you want so I'll give you several. I timed my run so that it starts when I gain control of my party and stop when I call dad (or Tony when playing as Jeff). I did this for every segment.

(These are estimates)
Final Hit (pray) against Giygas: 6 hours 43 minutes

Defeated boss and brought Paula Home, then went to talk to Ness's mother. (this time is after the conversation and right before credits): 6 hours 48 minutes.

All the way till the screen says The End (time for credits are included): 6 hours 59 minutes.

Since these are estimates, I'm going to try to get exact times. Shouldn't effect my time to much.

Some notes in my run
This run is about 32 minutes faster than my old run
Didn't use rock candy glitch
Didn't power level against criminal worms (Although I did verse one)
It is 39 segments on 4 VHS tapes (Sp speed of course)(I would of done it on my dvd recorder, but it is not working  :-[ )

The reason my last segment was a little long was because I leveled up Ness to level 70 to learn LifeUp Omega, which made the Giygas fight a lot easier for me.

I thing that sums it up. If you have any questions about my run, you can ask me.

Rock1644, to answer your question I did try to keep all my party members alive. Except towards near the end of the game when I let Jeff and Poo die off so Ness and Paula can get extra experience.

Lag.Com

2006-06-16 07:34:08 pm

sda loyalist

I can't wait to watch. Sounds impressive! Smiley

Evil_Ninja

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Evil_Ninja: 2006-06-16 08:07:20 pm

2006-06-16 08:05:19 pm

A Pink Floyd fan

Thanks.

I will probably send the tapes off next week hopefully if everything goes on time. Shouldn't be later than this month. The reason is because I'm still trying to get the exact times (or somewhere near it) of all my segments and I'm going to make a copy of this run for myself. (don't worry, I'll send the original tapes over)

I must thank the people on this forum though, because if this topic didn't exist, then my run wouldn't exist. Plus people gave me support, like strangenessdss, connect4 and misslewaster.

I will post exact times probably this weekend. I'm kind of busy (and tired, because of the run) right now so I cannot do it today or tomorrow.

getter77

2006-06-16 09:18:06 pm

100% runs=great to watch

Sounds like yet another amazing RPG run for SDA...as well as a fantastic achievement in general.

Like most all others...I can't wait to see this!

Cheers!

Dragorn

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Dragorn: 2006-06-16 10:48:02 pm

2006-06-16 10:46:44 pm

I thought it was just a surprise party!

You churned out an entirely new run for this game in a matter of days!? Shocked

That's incredible!

Suddenly I'm feeling slightly ashamed of my 4.5-month Super Mario 64 Project...

MissileWaster

2006-06-16 10:58:53 pm

Wow, even with credits you have below 7 hours. YAYNESS!!!!!! I can't wait to see it!!!

I think that this should be, like, an SDA record, 3 or 4 days to make a full game run, and then a little bit more time to send it off. I am so downloading this the day it is posted!!!

StrangenessDSS

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StrangenessDSS: 2006-06-16 11:01:36 pm

2006-06-16 11:00:52 pm

Sleeping Terror

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You churned out an entirely new run for this game in a matter of days!?

That's what I was thinking... except I'm not so impressed. If the run is good, then I'll be impressed. I've seen quickly completed runs before, and they're usually not very good.

Given that Evil_Ninja hasn't been around here long, and the run is half an hour faster than his previous try... all signs point to the run being only half-decent.

I'd love an amazing run. I'm not expecting this one to be amazing, but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong.

Evil_Ninja

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Evil_Ninja: 2006-06-17 10:06:09 am

2006-06-17 09:52:18 am

A Pink Floyd fan

I know I did this run in like 4 - 5 days, and I know that someone can beat my time (still made mistakes). (I'm working on a better route on this game already, but I'm not doing another run on this anytime soon).

Anyway so far my total time are like 10-15 seconds off when watching them over again and timing them again. My time is still the same if you are cuting off seconds, or you could at a minute if you want. But I'm considering of doing my final segment again. This time I will not level up ness to learn LifeUp Omega. I should save some time so I don't have to raise his level like 3-4 times. But I have problems when I don't learn it. When I encounter a ghost of starman or final starman (if I decide to fight, i might try to run away but I usually have no luck doing so). Their starstorm kills all my characters in one hit (except for ness) and they usually move before I do. Also in the Giygas fight, in the first round with pokey can be problems. Like when giygas casts PK Gaming Beta (that's my favorite thing) and it almost (but usually does) kills Paula, Jeff, and Poo in one hit. Then Pokey can do around 200 damage in one hit. After that, it's really luck of how the giygas attacks go out. (hopefully he wont kill my characters instantly). Have any tips? It might help. I wont copy over my old final segment because I might screw up. I will probably try this tomorrow (cannot do it today, sorry)

Do you want me to still submit my run, since I'm working on another route? the only problem with that is that I won't work on another run for a while. (Getting some fresh air and taking a break from video games for the moment. Well, until I finish this last segment)

I know I did this run in like 4 - 5 days, and I know that someone can beat my time (still made mistakes). (I'm working on a better route on this game already, but I'm not doing another run on this anytime soon).

Anyway so far my total time are like 10-15 seconds off when watching them over again and timing them again. My time is still the same if you are cuting off seconds, or you could at a minute if you want. But I'm considering of doing my final segment again. This time I will not level up ness to learn LifeUp Omega. I should save some time so I don't have to raise his level like 3-4 times. But I have problems when I don't learn it. When I encounter a ghost of starman or final starman (if I decide to fight, i might try to run away but I usually have no luck doing so). Their starstorm kills all my characters in one hit (except for ness) and they usually move before I do. Also in the Giygas fight, in the first round with pokey can be problems. Like when giygas casts PK Gaming Beta (that's my favorite thing) and it almost (but usually does) kills Paula, Jeff, and Poo in one hit. Then Pokey can do around 200 damage in one hit. After that, it's really luck of how the giygas attacks go out. (hopefully he wont kill my characters instantly). Have any tips? It might help. I wont copy over my old final segment because I might screw up. I will probably try this tomorrow (cannot do it today, sorry)

Do you want me to still submit my run, since I'm working on another route? the only problem with that is that I won't work on another run for a while. (Getting some fresh air and taking a break from video games for the moment. Well, until I finish this last segment)

StrangenessDSS

2006-06-17 10:38:31 am

Sleeping Terror

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Like when giygas casts PK Gaming Beta (that's my favorite thing) and it almost (but usually does) kills Paula, Jeff, and Poo in one hit.

Um, PSI Shield Sigma? Assuming he doesn't use it before Paula can move on the first turn...

You're welcome to submit your run. It just won't be accepted if it doesn't match the quality we want for this site. I haven't seen it, so I can't say whether it does or not.

Trevor

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Trevor: 2006-06-17 11:41:47 am

2006-06-17 11:37:34 am

i seem to remember that it took Peter Tiernan a short period of time to improve his Final Fantasy III run, but i cannot find his posts on the subject at all. point being that it may take less time than you think to re-do a long RPG run at a high number of segments.

strangeness - if you're really concerned about the quality of the run, don't simultaneously say "the run needs to be a certain quality" and "i don't think the run is going to impress me, therefore i have low expectations". point out that you'd like him to work harder and feel as though the run would really be worth watching because a lot of work went into it. by this i mean investigated the best route and tactics as thoroughly as possible and did a high number of attempts (or as many as necessary) to achieve a great run with high precision (as little mistakes as possible). that's how you help your fellow speedrunners.

getter77

2006-06-17 12:17:00 pm

100% runs=great to watch

I'd say go ahead and send it in. Perhaps, in the infinite expanse of time, it could be improved upon....but for EVERY run project there must be a first one to get the ball rolling.

Lots of runs are from VHS so I wouldn't worry about that.....the ultra videophiles who want everything HD on DVD can just sit in a corner and cry or something. You are within the soft time limit I think as well....so don't worry about that either.

Yeah, go ahead and send it in perhaps if ya can get a slightly better final segment without wrecking all that ya have already done. Lots of people will watch your video, likely enjoy it, and it may even spur some more people to compete with ya in the future on it....or just flat out give ya tips to beat your own record somewhere down the line when ya happen to feel like it.

Being the initial run for a game on the site does NOT demand frame by frame perfection(hyperbole...but still)...that's Bisqwit's.

Evil_Ninja

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Evil_Ninja: 2006-06-17 12:53:48 pm

2006-06-17 12:33:53 pm

A Pink Floyd fan

Something came up, so I have to do this last segment today. (Letting one of my friends borrow the game, because he never played it before).This will probably be my last update on this run. I did the last segment again, with great results. I improved my run by 8 minutes (yup, from the last segment) just from not leveling up ness to learn LifeUp Omega. I had only 2 people alive (Ness and Paula) but it is worth it. so my new time is 6 hours 40 minutes. (again right before the credits had started). I hope this is a good time and you are impressed by it. By the way, this is a 40 minute improvement than my last run. Don't know when I'm going to submit it though, hopefully soon.

getter77

2006-06-17 01:05:20 pm

100% runs=great to watch

Congrats on getting the final seg improvement ya had in mind! Here's hoping the sending and such goes on without a hitch.

MissileWaster

2006-06-17 06:39:05 pm

Quote:

Something came up, so I have to do this last segment today. (Letting one of my friends borrow the game, because he never played it before).This will probably be my last update on this run. I did the last segment again, with great results. I improved my run by 8 minutes (yup, from the last segment) just from not leveling up ness to learn LifeUp Omega. I had only 2 people alive (Ness and Paula) but it is worth it. so my new time is 6 hours 40 minutes. (again right before the credits had started). I hope this is a good time and you are impressed by it. By the way, this is a 40 minute improvement than my last run. Don't know when I'm going to submit it though, hopefully soon.

*SSBM Announcer: CONGRADULATIONS!*

Awsome, an 8 minute improvement just by redoing one segment. I hope you can send the run in soon, and I really can't wait to see it Smiley

Enhasa

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Enhasa: 2006-06-18 04:52:13 am

2006-06-18 04:50:03 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

I agree with Strangeness to be honest. I could be wrong, but the signs so far are not encouraging. It's possible for the recording itself to not take all that long to do, but only if you already know the game inside and out for running purposes. Also, I haven't played in forever, but those levels look a little high for a speedrun?

I'd like to know some objective measures:

1) How many test runs did you do? (looks like 1)
2) About how many attempts did you average per segment? Improving 8 minutes on one segment out of 39 actually is like a warning flag to me.

Maybe you can prove me wrong. Although it doesn't matter what me or most others on this thread think, since if you use your brain, you can figure out who will be verifying. That might not be "fair" since the run as is, is probably better than a couple others already on the site that I could name, but that's how it goes.

Mickey_Mage

2006-06-18 05:50:26 am

Glitching EB 1 flying man at a time

Those are incredible levels to be on and beat this game in my opinion. Lowest I've ever beat giygas on is like mid 70's with Ness so very nice job :D. Though giygas is easy to beat (Pokey is hard on a low level), getting there is the biggest pain, and good recovering is a must. I love this game, it's gotta be one of my all time favorite games overall and I cant wait to see the run when it gets here :). Great job on the time as well, I know it'll look great. Doesn't matter if its not perfect yet, always room for improvement after you send it in, and also makes it easier that way too to work on better routes on later with something to go on. You must know the game inside and out if you are able to complete it so fast. I know i did at one time, but never attempted to do it fast. You said before you had already done this game timed before so that made things easier for you. I see nothing wrong with you completing a recording in only a matter of days if it's not that difficult for you. This game is pretty easy to get a good feel for after you've played it constantly. Again, great job on the run, I'm glad someone finally decided to make a recording of it. Whatever happened to the guy who was originally going to do this game anyway? I'm glad i bumped this thread when i did otherwise we would probably never have a run of this game completed right now.

Trevor

2006-06-18 12:56:31 pm

enhasa, there may be a legitimate concern for the quality of this run, but my point was how you should address it. i have no problem with honesty as long as you assert yourself plainly and clearly, like you yourself just did. strangeness sounded like she was condemning the run. i suppose it's just strangeness' personality to sound kind of edgy at times but i wanted to say that anyway. we're a community! help eachother!

Lucid Faia

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Lucid Faia: 2006-06-19 12:30:38 am

2006-06-19 12:30:05 am

Yeah, I said it.

It's not very difficult to complete a speedrun in a short amount of time if you're using segments. I've worked for weeks on single-segment runs before; if they were segmented runs, they would have been finished within days, perhaps even one day. The difference is enormous.

That said, I'd be a little careful about questioning the quality of the run. Keep in mind that no one else has ever done a speed run through this game. Even if it has its mistakes, and has holes in the overall strategy, we should be glad that a run was done in the first place. I know I'm looking forward to seeing a speedrun of my all-time favorite game, EarthBound, and the improvements that will be made on it.

DTaeKim

2006-06-19 02:18:24 am

I have to agree. In addition, we finally have a working copy where we can evaluate the route and make suggestions and changes to improve said time.

StrangenessDSS

2006-06-19 08:44:24 am

Sleeping Terror

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It's not very difficult to complete a speedrun in a short amount of time if you're using segments...

...and foolishly accepting the same amount of mistakes/bad luck as you'd have in a single segment. In which case I wouldn't accept the run. Not even as a base to improve on... not until someone improves that Paper Mario run, at least.

Contrary to what Jake thinks, I am not trying to condemn this run. I simply wanted to point out (amongst all the cheering) that a run done in a suspiciously short amount of time, with a suspiciously few amount of tries, created by someone new to this place, may not actually turn out to be a quality run - no matter what game it's on. It wouldn't be the first time.

MissileWaster

2006-06-19 08:52:26 am

Wow, you guys really seem to not like a run you haven't seen before. Really, I have never seen this much critisism for a run before it even got sent out before. Can't you wait for the run to be submited and see if it is how bad you guys claim it is? You should also think from the perspective of someone new to SDA if you want to say a run is bad. If you just now found SDA and watched one of the bad runs on the site that implemented a cool trick, you might like the run because it looked cool. Just try and think outside of the "been here forever" box.

I'm not saying the run will turn out bad or good. It sounds like it will be pretty decent. There will more than likely be improvements for this run, but still. A game that even the TASers gave up on (temporarily or not, IDK). Just give it a chance, it might be better than you guys think. On that note, I still can't wait to see this run Cheesy

Heh, Strangeness is 2 posts off from being 1337 Tongue