E4M3 improvable ?

2003-10-17 10:59:36 pm

Hello

Perfect the last E4M3 in 3:51.92062 by Thomas Stubgaard ?
Humanly yes... but perhaps it is possible to kill a find with a grenade-jump (and so a telefrag). With some save-games it can be realize and a telefrag is faster than the 3 grenades required... but I will never be able to make that.
It is just an idea.

Sorry for my poor English.

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Morfans

2003-10-19 08:43:38 am

Hell is where the heart is.

You're right, of course.

I guess we'll have to remove the record from the unbeatable list... :-)

Stubgaard

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Stubgaard: 2003-10-19 04:11:42 pm

2003-10-19 04:11:11 pm

Hey Ho Let's Go

Quote:

You're right, of course

Wrong!! If you telefrag one of the 8 spawing fiends, the others won't teleport in, I thought you knew that SKiddy Wink

Oh, hi btw, just sitting here on a crap 56k connection checking my .dk email.

Bye again...

Morfans

2003-10-20 06:46:08 am

Hell is where the heart is.

Oh yes, we had this discussion several years ago, didn't we? I remember now. :-)

Robert

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Robert: 2003-10-20 08:00:34 am

2003-10-20 07:56:09 am

Dum di dum

No record is unbeatable Tongue

Here is how you do, you walk right under the fiends spawn place, then you throw 1 or 2 grenades in the air upwards and when the fiend spawns he lands on the grenades as they explode, he will directly be hit by thoose 2 grenades then you just throw the last grenade and he is dead.

Thus you kill the fiend 1 sec faster at every spawn and gain 8 seconds.

Grin

woohooo

Though it might be extremely hard to get the grenade timing right for all 8 times.

Pif de Mestre

2003-10-20 01:26:06 pm

Hello

You are right, telefraging is not the solution. The other fiend does not spawn.
Sorry for my stupid idea. I am a beginner. Cheesy

:angel:

And thank your for the explanation.

Orbs

2003-10-20 03:36:15 pm

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

i geuss this is becuase the fiend doesn't see you when you telefrag it? Then you could do it on the last fiend probably?

Morfans

2003-10-20 04:00:23 pm

Hell is where the heart is.

Orbs : No, the last fiend you kill with a couple of previously placed quad grens that explode while you're already half way to the exit.

Robert : True, but only 3 fiends are killed with 3 grens, all the rest are done with quad. You wouldn't want to be sttod under the fiend throwing quadded grens in the air when he teleports in... :-)

Robert

2003-10-20 04:37:15 pm

Dum di dum

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Orbs : No, the last fiend you kill with a couple of previously placed quad grens that explode while you're already half way to the exit.

Robert : True, but only 3 fiends are killed with 3 grens, all the rest are done with quad. You wouldn't want to be sttod under the fiend throwing quadded grens in the air when he teleports in... :-)

My mistake, its only a 3 sec improvement then Wink

Orbs

2003-10-21 11:40:19 am

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

do the fiends trigger each other? or are they spawning with 30 sec intervals anyways?

Valeriy

2003-10-21 12:03:54 pm

Goddamn cool run :o, but it is not optimum....
1) every fiend kill could indeed be a bit faster, overall saving at least 1 second.
2) when opening goldkey-door player should open the exit door, too, thus saving another fraction Smiley

3) is it possible to change a root and do one more fiendkill with quad Huh?

(I simply dunno)

optimum ?
Thomas, can't believe you claimed that after having beaten NHs like "e1m1" and "end" Grin

j0zz1e

2003-10-21 09:09:46 pm

I just wanted to post exactly what Valeriy wrote as 2. point. True.

Morfans

2003-10-22 09:26:59 am

Hell is where the heart is.

Point 2. Heehee. Yeah, Good point.

Point 3. 5 Quads. Quad last 30 seconds. New fiend appears every 30 seconds. I don't think there's any way to get more than 5 quad kills. :-(

Orbs : The 30 second countdown is triggered on the previous fiends death. Except when you telefrag it as soon as it spawns. If you quad gren it as soon as it appears in mid-air the counter still starts.

So okay. Maybe you CAN kill the fiends a little quicker by laying several grens on the ground before he spawns and hitting him in mid-air. Got a good discussion going, though.

Right. Who's going to do the demo, then??? ;-)

Robert

2003-10-22 01:41:39 pm

Dum di dum

The answer is YOU! Morfans, you now have all the data to do it Wink

Orbs

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Orbs: 2003-10-22 05:51:51 pm

2003-10-22 05:44:43 pm

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

I just thought of something:

does fiends spawn in the open place in the ceiling above the e4m3-junction-area, right?(1)

isn't there a small ledge where you can stand?(2)

can't you place the grenades on there?

(1) @ work can't check
(2) remember this was a camping place from back in the days when there still was some multiplayer going on (to kill the nmiflagcarrier coming out of the teleporter)

I'll check tonight myself..:)

Orbs

2003-10-22 10:04:12 pm

tja, het is verorberen en verorberd worden

Hmm i geuss it's not realy useable, grenades hardly stay on the ledge, and are a bit to far away from the spawning point

Stubgaard

2003-10-23 01:25:29 pm

Hey Ho Let's Go

If only there was a lightning gun on this map it'd be much easier to tricker the Fiend sequence. If you have no clue how to do it or what I'm talking about, go check my e4m3 NH demo on the Windlash page.

http://www.planetquake.com/sda/qdn/tables/night_c1.html

Maybe we should consider doing Quake done 100% Quick Backwards, that way you'd get the lightning gun :rocker: