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GrifMoNeY: 2008-09-07 03:43:02 am
Perhaps my favorite game growing up was Crusader of Centy, a Genesis action-adventure produced by Atlus.  But that's beside the point.  I saw a part of a "speed run" that I felt was unacceptable.  So I started working on a run myself.  I'm currently in the research stage: having beaten it twice in the past three days I have a good idea of the route I'm taking.

In Rafflesia School, 10 malins can be farmed from the very beginning of the course before leaving.  By doing this twice you can buy the sword throw skill without going through the course itself.  The only thing the bronze medal does is lead up to the optional holy sword, which does double damage.  Bosses have little HP to begin with, so I never visit the school again.

The stormy area of Anemone Beach typically requires you to jump with the wind, but you can easily do a long jump by sliding over the edge briefly.  Also, I'm not sure of the physics of this, but if you get hit by a monster and get knocked into a hole in the floor, you might end up jumping out at great speeds (not great enough to break boundaries, but it's a quick way to get around if you do it right.)

The icy floors of Freesia have weird physics that can be handled, and exploited, by jumping like a grasshopper everywhere you go.

You need 20 malins to challenge the cheetah in Lily to a race.  A while after that, you need 50 malins to get "vital info" from a flower so you can enter the past.  I can collect two money bags (30 malins each) and assume that I'll pick up another 10 on the way.  The two bags in question are also very close to the normal route: one near the end of Burn Daisy (est. 2 seconds) and the other in the spike floor of Camellia Desert (est. 3 seconds.)

For most bosses, simply throwing your sword at them with the right timing is all that's necessary.  Maldra, easily the most annoying boss, can be killed in one attack run if done right, using the Chilly + Inferno combo.  Most bosses after him should be killed using Dodo + Inferno, which, I believe, does the most damage in the game; it's equal to Moa + Inferno, Moa + Chilly, and Dodo + Chilly, but has the least chance of frame slowdown because the Moa attacks seem to go everywhere.  The only exception is the Baron at Anemone Beach, since Moa + Inferno helps to do area damage to all his parts.

I don't know the game inside and out so to speak, so I don't know if more parts of the game, other than the Rafflesia School and obtaining Wong, can be skipped.  I still feel that this game didn't get enough attention, and I might as well do something with my speedrun interest other than watch them.  It will take some time before I can reclaim my Genesis and game from my parents' house, so I've been practicing on an emulator for now (and no, it's legal because I own a real copy.)  If anyone wants to see a preliminary run or anything of the sort, I can take a recording off of Gens.

Feedback is very welcome!
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100% runs=great to watch
I heartily encourage you doing this run.  I remember this game was kinda nifty awhile back.  Good luck!  8)
Alright, chances are I won't get my Genesis back, nor will I have the attention span to make a SDA-quality run, segmented or not.  I'm sticking with my emulator.

Recording the videos has given me a lot of grief, but after several days and many failed codecs, I've found what I have to do.  I'm recording an AVI off of Gens Movie, with the CorePNG lossless codec (keyframe on every frame).  Then I send it to Adobe Premiere to be exported as a Quicktime movie.  This movie has what seems like the exact same quality as the CorePNG AVI, but at about 1/4 the filesize.  This file is then sent to Youtube, which takes a massive dump on the video quality, but at least puts it out there.  I'm also sending the file to Archive.org, taking after SDA's example; the link is then put in the Youtube video's description as the "high-quality version."

Chances are, this is my last update for this thread.  You can see the first segment of the run here, and from there you can easily find the rest of them once I have them posted.
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
I'd watch this, and I know if you submitted it, it would get verifiers. You might not be able to guess a couple of them. BTW this game is only published by Atlus, not developed, why does everyone say Atlus makes everything? Tongue This game is by Nextech who also made a spiritual sequel on the Saturn called Linkle Liver Story.

I'd use huffyuv or lagarith instead of corepng and x264 instead of adobe premiere, but if you're never doing anything for SDA, it's up to you.
I was doubtful at first.  I downloaded AviSynth, x264, and huffyuv, spent a few hours trying to learn the syntax and tearing my hair out over the complexity of it all, and gave up.  Luckily I found a little note on the Knowledge Base, "do it all for me!"  So now I'm recording with lagarith and using Anri-chan to make damn near perfect quality (it is perfect compared to my converts) at rates of about 9 MBs per minute, roughly 1/5 of my old method.  Thank god.

The new captures, containing segments 1-3, are up: http://www.archive.org/details/CrusaderOfCenty_SpeedRun_Grif

The only problems I see with this getting into SDA are the number of obvious mistakes in my runs, and the fact that I'm playing on an emulator.
The run is finished!  Since I was playing on an emulator, I could be using savestates and frame advance, and there's no way to prove that I wasn't, except to give you my word that this was played legitimately.  I don't expect this to go up for verification, but it's here for your enjoyment.

http://www.archive.org/details/CrusaderOfCenty_SpeedRun_Grif
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RatFunk: 2013-11-23 01:12:16 am
i was causally playing thru this when i managed to skip an entire dungeon, The undersea one where u get teleported 2 after u get the seed for the tower. it happened while during boss death animation i was able to leave the room, this lets you plant the seed use the elevator but pupa stays a worm is the only problem and so far cant find way around yet.


edit: thanks ot that and 2 other skips it should save a bit of time Smiley gonna be on lookout for more
Yeah, thanks to the new skips found by RatFunk I've got a run down to 53 minutes now. http://www.twitch.tv/geurge/b/483519690 broadcasting died towards the end but the main new skips are all there. Hoping you start running again Grif because I couldn't actually beat your segmented run even with the new strats that you found.
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EvilDuck: 2014-02-06 08:23:43 pm
Hi there ! I'm really interested in running this game, I really love it and it seems that the run is quite interesting ! Smiley
Sadly it doesn't seems that there are a lot of runners :3
Good morning!
There are two active runners, Geurge, and myself, and I know one guy that's learning it (C3cubed).

Here's a run that I did not too long ago, it's mostly up to date, though there are a few small things that I didn't do here. The run didn't get finished because the eyeball boss went oob and never came back. The final time is an estimation.

cool to see this gaining in popularity although the skip finds have died down. hype for sgdq run from those 2
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EvilDuck: 2014-02-10 05:22:34 pm
Hi there !
I managed to do 2 runs, the last one was 1:08:18, not that bad but I can improve a lot Cheesy
I found something weird right before the beach boss (Baron in english?) . It was random and i'm not able to do it again.
You usually have to jump 3 times in front of the elephant's house but it seems that you can skip that :
http://www.twitch.tv/evilduckk/c/3701014

Btw, do you set some names for the skips ?
Formerly known as Skullboy
I'm a longtime fan of this game and I am interested to see where things go, especially with the skips. Good luck everyone.
water dung skip is like 5 parted since u dont get 2 pets and need more bs to get by as you can tell by now, another thing that is looked into is half jumping on a raised platform or hole u can slightly oob and if u press a direction you can towards the object or hole u will bounce back some, was hopeful for spiking blob village but not yet, there are so also not usefull oobs, or half usefull, tas could prolly skip the shuffler fight but u want the squirrel anyway. my biggest effort would be trying to bs the past tower to get the seed early in the desert. and congrats im only down to 1:01:00. ur followed.
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EvilDuck: 2014-02-10 08:57:03 pm
EvilDuck: 2014-02-10 08:55:17 pm
Oh i see, so there is still interesting stuff to found hehe Smiley
I'll probably check it later.
I improved my pb by almost 8 minutes so it is 1:00:21 now :p http://www.twitch.tv/evilduckk/c/3702444
I had the perfect luck on the wire man (still dont know the english names for this game :p) and made the skips pretty well considering i'm running it for 3 days :3
But I'm really in trouble with the Iris skip with the tatoo, it's really hard to do !
Also, where do you split exactly ?
The beginning is when you press start right after choosing the name? And the end split is right after the very last textbox with the boy?
Are the emulator saves tolerated? If not, do I have to save by the menu and soft reset the game?
Thanks for following RatFunk, Hope to see you running it Smiley
you would have to soft reset ha ha, save states are usually not allowed in anything during a run of a console game, speaking of s+q thou have not found a good use for it yeti f only it could be stored but maybe someday. and those start stops I think are right.
I've never ran a console game but that makes sense now :p
I used it only for my beginnings, but in my last run I only used it at a few hard places, so I guess I won't have to use it after some hard training Smiley
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Zeestix: 2014-02-12 07:52:25 am
I think a S+Q would be good after getting Mac. Haven't tested it though.
Here's a skip. http://www.twitch.tv/zeestix/c/3710045
And here's a timesave in Hot Daisy [probably] (I haven't seen anyone run this lately so I don't know what's changed in the past couple months) http://www.twitch.tv/zeestix/c/3710058
After clipping into wall, I was meant to walk down but kept walking left so kept getting put back onto the mountain.
And at Iris 1, instead of clipping with the tree, you can just run up rope and jump while the game thinks you're on the ladder but are still running. http://www.twitch.tv/zeestix/c/3710069
Good morning!
Those skips are so hot! Now I have to check every rope in the game lol. Thank you for finding a skip for the race
I know it works on the rope after getting the Armadillo and that saves like 0.5 - 1s. Motioninjoy is bluescreening me constantly now though so it's pretty hard to look for any others / actually do runs.
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iongravirei: 2014-02-12 12:10:47 pm
iongravirei: 2014-02-12 09:59:28 am
Good morning!
I tried out the S+Q after Mac. It's slower by 4 seconds.
The Hot Daisy oob saves about 8 seconds if you get it first try!

Found a small, 3-4 sec, timesaver in the desert. First clip is how I used to do it (the tas does this), second is the new thing



To do it, face right, throw sword, then press down immediately after to curve your throw.
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RatFunk: 2014-02-12 03:30:10 pm
RatFunk: 2014-02-12 03:04:52 pm
oh i thought u alrdy knew about that one geurge hates it thou, however cool finds zeestix, an amusing find thou is that on Roxy u cna play the fight invincible if u stand just below the left side of the door and never move for any attack, its kinda funny, oh and rope thing dont work on on that boss sadly :/
haha yeah, ratfunk i hated doing it that. been practising it and think i've got it down. 
I'll be getting a scart cap card within a week so i can get a good run with everything i know
Wow these are sexy skips nice job Zeestix :3
I just don't really understand how you manage to skip the race ?
I guess there is a trigger counting the laps you make, but I can't skip it without getting +1 lap each time I try :s
It seems to be near pixel perfect ?
Good morning!
EvilDuck, it's all in how long you go backwards. If you don't back up for long enough, you'll always get +1 lap