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Never any doubt!
EDIT: I moved my old post with the run's description here. I'm working on a better run that I will try to upload in the official site. I

haven't yet had the time to write my new strategies but I will explain everything as soon as I'm ready with the run.


Here is the speed run of COMMANDOS 3 - DESTINATION BERLIN Cheesy

Created by: Victor Rusev on 18.06.2008

Statistic:  Full Run - 1:02:33 (new run approximately 40 mins, I am going for less :D)
                Shortest Mission - Eliminate the Sniper
                Longest Mission - Protect General O`Donnell
                Most Played Mission - Kill the Traitor

Rules: 1) The Game is Beated when you complete all the 14 missions and the final movie starts. /New discovery: the final moive

triggers without the need to complete the training campaign, therefore we count only 12 missions/
       
          2) Since the levels are preset and nothing transfers from another level or anything, the levels can be run as individual.
       
          3) Each mission starts with sign of its name and ends with the sign:"mission complete" except Eliminate the Sniper;Protect General

O`Donnell; Destroy the Warships.
       
          4) The start movies can be skipped using "esc"./Why did I even wrote that here?/

          5) Don`t Forget NO CHEATING!

Tricks, Tactics and Hints:
  Genral: Climbing on ladders, crouching, climbing on walls(Paul) and tying bodies can be made faster if I left-click with my mouse after

the command(as much as I use it as much time I safe)

  Part 1(Training mission 1) - No special tricks just taking the needed items with Butcher and kill the four solders outside with Duke as
fast as I could.
 
  Part 2(Training mission 2) - The tactic that saves time here is to take the guard`s rifle with Frenchy and kill the other two ones.Then
use Paul to climb on the wall and get through the window at the second floor.Now after I take the documents Paul can jump down from the wall
without dying which saves little time here(I am opening the safe without waiting Paul to finish).

  Part 3(mission 1) -
      The easiest way I used in my last record:First I move to the left so that the enemy sniper can move near the main building, then I move
back and get in it.Now I climb on the second floor look through the most right window watching forward and kill the enemy sniper.WARNING:You must
be sure that the sniper will go to the right because you if he doesn`t you`ll be killed!
      The fastest way is to move again to the left so that the enemy sniper can move near the main building and to remain there but make sure
you find the exact position so that no solder will kill you before you aim at the enemy sniper.

  Part 4(mission 2) - First I use Thomas to take some ammunitions and kill the first groups of solders.Second I use Duke to kill most of
the solder groups after it and then I can use Thomas to kill the last ones.After I kill them all I move my men faster to the plane before Gen.
O`Donnell does.So there is a time this mission can`t be made faster because you need to kill all the enemies to complete the mission but they are
coming(landing with parachute) in some wright moments and never earlier(which is a big problem).

  Part 5(mission 3) - I can find many shortcuts here but there is nothing special and no tactics for the mission just finding the easiest
or the faster way to kill the traitor and escape after that.It is one  REALLY hard mission if you are trying to make it fast.WARNING:Don`t use my
tactic(in the movie) to complete the mission(because it will be too hard for you) except if you aren`t running a record!

  Part 6(mission 4) - It is required to kill just the first guard here and take his uniform with Frenchy.Then move your men in the truck
and you`re ready to get in the train station(the only problem now are a few workers).WARNING:You must skip the first movie so that you can get to
the truck before it moves forward so don`t be long!

  Part 7(mission 5) - First I kill the solder in the station and take his uniform with Frenchy.Second I kill the solder outside the
station and take his body in then go to the train with both of my men.WARNING:I DON`T run if I don`t reach the train because I will be detected
easy!I also use the General trick for climbing so that the solders won`t see and detect Paul!

  Part 8(mission 6) - There is nothing special here.I go to the truck undetected and kill the solders around me using the truck then I
take the Grenades and kill all the other solders on the map.WARNING:Using this tactic isn`t the easiest way because sometimes you can die easy in
the truck sometimes not(your choice)!

  Part 9(mission 7) - This mission is easily completed only using Butcher.I use him to kill the solders outside the train and take the 10
Grenades from the first carriage of the train.Then I get back to the last carriage and kill the solders inside using the Grenades then I kill the
solders from the next two carriages(if my grenades are over I get back to the last carriage were are another 10 Grenades).I kill the solders from
the remaining carriages but I don`t use grenades for the goods waggon and it`s done.WARNING:Don`t use too many Grenades to kill the enemies!

Part 10(mission 8 ) - I kill some of the workers and hide their bodies but fast.My next step is to destroy  the enemy motorcycle(1/3) and
use Duke to kill most of the enemies there.After that Thomas must took care for the solders on the bridge and Duke must kill one of the enemy
snipers.After that Thomas should destroy the other motorcycle(2/3) and kill most of the enemies using grenade.The next step is to clean the way
with Duke and to destroy the last motorcycle(3/3).Some other enemies and you`re done.WARNING:Watch out for the officer that is coming back where
you destroy the first motorcycle, you may need to kill him as fast as you could or you`ll fail!

Part 11(mission 9) - I move all of my men as much closer to the enemy from the very beginning.That`s the way to kill them so easy and
fast.WARNING:Every vehicle got damage and could be destroyed even from a rifle force so be aware that your solders won`t destroy the trucks with
your friends!Another important thing is not to play with the other three commandos from the trucks because they are always a good targets for the
Nazi.

Part 12(mission 10) - I use Paul to take Thomas` grenades and to poison the dog.Thomas must take two explosives from the storage and one
of them must be placed there, the other one must be placed to the fuel tanks.After my men got positions I use Paul to destroy 4 enemy vehicles
with the grenades and Thomas to destroy two, the storage and the fuel tanks.WARNING:The enemy patrol may be a problem for I if you don`t hurry
but it can be neutralized easy with a gas grenade(be sure that I have poisoned the dog first!)!

Part 13(mission 11) - There are no tricks for here except to kill some of the solders with rifle without hearing me(the lieutenant can
hear the shoots but he is not reacting) and to kill the solders in the storage using grenades.WARNING:I don`t need to deactive mines but I must
be really careful around them! And Blackwood can wear the diving suit without any problems so I don`t take it off!

Part 14(mission 12) - First I must use Butcher to kill many of the solders so I can reach the entrance.I use a hidden way to get in(watch
the video).Then I took all of the solders inside with me and I use them to clean the terrain of the enemies.Butcher is just cleaning the solders
in the camps and the mission is over.WARNING:I always go with the solders first so that Butcher can be safe! I take and carefully use all the
grenades I find in the boxes!

Heroes names:Green Barret - Butcher ; The Sniper - Duke ; The Diver - Blackwood ; The Sapper - Thomas ; The Spy -

Frenchy ; The Theif - Paul.



    1 - 1:03 - Basic Training (New 1:00)
    2 - 0:55 - Advanced Training (New - 0:37)
    3 - 0:11 - Eliminate the Sniper (New - 0:11)
    4 - 11:22 - Protect General O`Donnell(part 1) and 11:22 - Protect General O`Donnell(part 2) (No new record yet)
    5 - 8:19 - Kill the Traitor (New - 3:38)
    6 - 1:17 - Infiltrate the station (New - 1:08)
    7 - 0:52 - Board the train (New - 0:43)
    8 - 3:59 - Stop bomb deployment (New - 3:00)
    9 - 7:06 - Get to the engine (New - 4:44)
    10 - 7:11 - Take control of the town (New - 4:16)
    11 - 5:26 - Ambush the convoy (New - 3:36)
    12 - 3:21 - Cripple Nazi Support (New - 1:04)
    13 - 3:05 - Destroy the warships (New -  1:45)
    14 - 8:14 - Storm the beach (New - 4:12)


I haven`t posted the new videos yet beacuse I am still making new records so I apologize for that.  Undecided
I hope you enjoy my speed run. Thanks Smiley

My old comment in this post: "Is 1:02:33 fast enough for a Commandos 3 run?"
Thread title:  
Show us the run and we will tell you Smiley
Proud to be Slavic!!!;0
yeah show to us 8)
Never any doubt!
Don`t worry I will do it as fast as I can!  Grin
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
I've only completed the first mission and I thought the game was pretty hard. I think there are many guys on this forum that completed this game and they can probably give better insight if the run was skilled. I think the first mission (sniper one) can be completed very fast with some tactics but I don't know about the rest of the missions. Show us the run!
Never any doubt!
Tell me please which site for upload to use?
archive.org
I am afraid no ones riding nothing!!!
just asking when will the run be uploaded or is it uploaded already...... think ill take some strategies from you and do my own commandos 3 speedrun ;D.....i am good at it 8)
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Igyanata: 2012-07-02 05:47:46 am
Never any doubt!
Quote from Fyourics:
just asking when will the run be uploaded or is it uploaded already...... think ill take some strategies from you and do my own commandos 3 speedrun ;D.....i am good at it 8)
I'm still making new records but it will be uploaded soon. Sure use my ways but you probably won't beat my records....I am also very good at this game. Cheesy
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Fyourics: 2008-08-20 03:33:40 am
I am afraid no ones riding nothing!!!
actually i am going to try it and after that maybe c2...
question:i use hotkeys from v1.43 and i change it back to v1.42...are the hotkeys allowed?...the c3 original didn't have it.
Of course hotkeys are allowed even though it came later with a patch. I remember there was a discussion, where it was stated that PC games should be speedrunned with the latest patch.
I am afraid no ones riding nothing!!!
1.43 is a mod..........1.42 is the official patch....so will i have to install it again?
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Igyanata: 2012-07-02 05:57:38 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 05:57:24 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 05:54:14 am
Never any doubt!
Quote from Fyourics:
1.43 is a mod..........1.42 is the official patch....so will i have to install it again?
EDIT: v1.43 only changes the controls and it's not a problem to be used because hotkeys don't change the actual gameplay. And as Ewil said it's best to run games with the latest patch so this is the version I'm using.
I am afraid no ones riding nothing!!!
1.00 or 1.42?
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Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:04:26 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 05:57:57 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 05:56:44 am
Never any doubt!
EDIT: v1.43 so I've changed some of my controls to improve my efficiency. Smiley
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Fyourics: 2008-08-23 09:33:25 am
I am afraid no ones riding nothing!!!
nice i'll have to do some work..and i knew most of the tactics you used...just have to practice...i have a better plan for take control of town  ;D....
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Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:04:47 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:04:43 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:03:35 am
Igyanata: 2010-02-09 11:19:45 pm
Never any doubt!
EDIT: I actually changed most of my strategies and many of the new records are completely different from the ones in my first run.
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Fyourics: 2008-09-02 10:05:25 am
I am afraid no ones riding nothing!!!
i beat your sniper run Grin
edit:deleted the old crap quality for a better one.....
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Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:24:38 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:24:31 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:24:27 am
Igyanata: 2012-07-02 06:24:01 am
Igyanata: 2009-08-13 03:13:44 am
Never any doubt!
Is this all, only the easiest mission.I am waiting to see some other records.You haven`t prove anything to me yet...Just want to know if you haven`t quit already? Wink

Edit:Sorry if you`re disappointed but your 17 seconds aren`t faster that my 11 now.  Tongue I`m waiting to see you making it faster than that if you can.  Grin
Never any doubt!
Ok I have kind of a question and I don't know where else to ask it so I will ask here. If C3 is considered completed when the final movie and credits run then the two training missions(the whole training campaign) don't need to be completed because the credits run even if you only complete the 3 main campaigns. It's not much but if I can just skip this missions in my run it currently saves me 1:37 mins. I have managed to shorten my run by a lot lately so I will be glad if these missions are not needed for an actual run, I am going for a short run at this game and every minute and second I can save is good news for me. Anyway I will still talk about that with the moderators when the run gets ready for a straight answer. Since I won't be improving these 2 missions any more(simply because they can't be improved anymore) I don't need an answer right now but it's still not a problem to answer me here.
Hi Igyanata.

Since the training campaign and the other campaigns are selectable individually and not stuck together, I don't think there is any problem with leaving that part out and just go with the normal campaigns. There are other games accepted here that have a similar structure.

I am not that familiar with C3, but is anything from the first campaign carried over to the second (or from the 2nd to the 3rd) ? If not there is chance that each campaign will get an individual timing and won't need a final movie or credits for it to be considered completed, instead an ending screen would do fine.

That are my thoughts on the issue. Would love to hear what others have to say about it.
Never any doubt!
Thank you for the answer. In C3 nothing transfers from one level to the next one or to any other level. They are all individual so my run is split into Individual Levels.

The point here was that the actual credits of the game and final movie start after you complete all 12 missions in any order excluding the other 2 missions in the training campaign. Therefore there is no need to complete the training missions to say "complete" the game, you can just skip them by never playing them. That means that they do not need to be included in the speed run as well because they are optional. A run only needs to include gameplay footage of all actual parts of a game that are needed to get to its end, right? So, I am asking is C3 considered complete after you go from scratch(new profile) and get to the credits or is it considered complete only after all the missions are completed?

Basically the credits can be triggered without completing the training missions in C3. And I think that is to be considered as completing the game so that makes the run of this game 2 missions shorter.
I would totally agree to that.

Just think of the Half-Life run for instance. It also has a training level (Hazard Course) that has nothing to do with the main game and therefore not needed.

If every single level is individual your run will probably be listed as a table, or as three tables for every campaign. If you'd also do the training it would be listed in a different category not affecting the time of the main run.