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General Kong - Bullets and Bananas
I recently re-acquired this game after some help from the "Can't remember the name of this game" thread.  It tortured me as a kid, but I'm thinking about running it.  It's a bit difficult, so I'm just gauging interest before getting waist deep in rage over it. 

Anybody interested?
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Heck yes, I'm interested. I can't contribute much to run discussion though, because I've never completed the game (I will one day). About the only thing I can add is that I have noticed that flying in reverse seems to be quicker and/or safer than flying forward. You'll probably want to test this yourself, since I never did frame tests or anything.
Master-88
As far as i remember this was helicopter game. Looks lot autoscroll/space shooter category. I not know is game accetable. As far as i know space shooters and autoscroll game is still banned.

Game is interesting though. It is freaking hard to beat because game has really crap controlls. Tongue
Waiting hurts my soul...
Quote from MASTER-88:
As far as i remember this was helicopter game. Looks lot autoscroll/space shooter category. I not know is game accetable. As far as i know space shooters and autoscroll game is still banned.

Game is interesting though. It is freaking hard to beat because game has really crap controlls. Tongue


This is a scrolling game, but it's not auto.  I agree about the controls though.  It saves some of your momentum when you let off up and down.
Master-88
I´ll give full points if someone can even beat it. Tongue

Yeah it seems more scrolling than autoscrolling game. But every scrolling games are as well quite same category IMO. But i can,t say anything else. I am playing it couple times and i just never liked it mostly because i hate controlls so much. Tongue
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Master-88
This game is still my TOP 5 request games to see.

I am own this cart some years but im never are pass longer than level 3. This game is definitely one hardest games ever created for NES. For example ghost and goblins a lot easier game than this IMO.

Today i decide i finally want play this game through. I have to use emulator and several savestates and yeah i finally beat the game. This take me nearly two fucking hours even with savestates, especially level 4 was so pain ass level ever. I think i´ll really glad if i can somedays beat this game my real console. I am pretty sure making any accetable speedrun will never happen for me. This game is just BRUTUAL DIFFICULT and its has pretty much lenght.

DK28 seems are interested with this game 2009. Its 4 long years and im not see any speedruns or good playthroughs with this game. I can really imagine why peoples not like speedrun this game because this difficulty is very high. Even game is overal pretty good and cheap. Not cost many dollars in ebay. IIRC i got it less than 4 dollars.

But yeah this is one game i´ll hope someone make run sooner or later. I am actually interested play this game myself too, but why i suck this game? But i´ll probably try find and recorded some good strategys tips in future and i´ll post videos if i can find something nice. Let we see can this game are even beatable with accetable speed.


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LOL this game seems beatable on console too. I just test and reach level 4 with full continues and my first try, but i lost all lifes and continues here. Level 4 is easily most difficult level entire game so if you can pass this level you can pass level 5 & 6 too. Thanks god i find savespot level 4 boss room. But i still have real troubles with homing missiles. Those are impossible dodge

Probably this game could possible make some speedruns in future. But requires tons practice on emulator. Deaths is allowed and some deaths will save a lot time too.

But if i´ll learn play this game better i might give my own shot make run. I just have to practice a lot.
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UraniumAnchor: 2013-09-20 10:36:51 am
Not a walrus
I beat this game ages ago but the weird scrolling mechanics would make it pretty annoying to run (in most circumstances the best and/or fastest way to proceed is to fly backwards, which means you'll be on the close edge of the screen), though I'm not sure if that would make it difficult or just weird.

Also there's the question of which powerups to pick up. Some are pretty obvious such as any of the engine upgrades.
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MASTER-88: 2013-09-20 11:52:34 am
Master-88
Yeah this controlls mechanics is one which will take most practice.

But LOL i did level 1 Sumatra test run for fun this is not optimize, but just wanted show some ideas about speedrunning this game. Im not very familar with controlls yet, but im just learn much better what i was. This scrolling mechanic is so weird, about overworld you can use backward flying all times, but in underground you have to scroll screen front of enought this make possible make hits with your bullets breakable walls. Its difficult explain.


Level 1 is hard level, but other 5 levels are tons harder. Especially level 4.
I still have this game and it's on my list, it just keeps getting bumped for other projects.  Tongue

But yes, it is hard.  Flying backward is necessary.  I had the first three levels routed.  Seeing this thread revived makes me want to play again.  Right now, I'm trying to get my stream going, it may not be possible with my internet though.  I'm definitely interested in any new discoveries and will have to get back on this...
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Master-88
Quote from Working DK:
I still have this game and it's on my list, it just keeps getting bumped for other projects.  Tongue

But yes, it is hard.  Flying backward is necessary.  I had the first three levels routed.  Seeing this thread revived makes me want to play again.  Right now, I'm trying to get my stream going, it may not be possible with my internet though.  I'm definitely interested in any new discoveries and will have to get back on this...



Hi guy. Thats cool. thumbsup In next week i think i have time make some more research with this game and i have to look can i find some useful stuffs. I´ll hope see your progress too, its probably help me too.
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MASTER-88: 2013-09-25 02:34:51 pm
Master-88
Here is some research, im not really know will i speedrun that game someday. This game is simply infuriating, i might break my NES controlls if i start seriously working this. Especially i use fastest possible engines my videos its make controlls so horrible. Also this target hitbox is weirdest ever.

Some levels speedrun practice and plans.
Level 3 Borneo


Level 4 China sea (this level nearly drive me crazy luckly i find some accetable and nice things


Level 5 Siam


Level 6 Headquarter

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Master-88
Yesterday i finally first time beat this game my real NES system. 


Its playthrough run but without losting any continues. I estimate 27 minutes. I think good speedrun could be low 20 minutes probably even under 20 minutes.  Beating this game what ever time is great job with human skills. I think i might drop my time in future i think i can pretty easily aim 22-23 minutes if i can avoid most stupid errors, add some intention deaths and avoid changes engines in underground areas, its make game harder though but very possible as you can see my ID levels up.

Using hyper engine all time make you crash so easily, especially last boss is insanely difficult with hyper engines and also many underground areas too.

I can imagine good speedrun
*Use fastest possible engines all time
*Avoid making unintention deaths
*Use intention deaths (my ID table 3 to 6 is good example with intention deaths spots especially level 4 last time saving death i accidentally find it)
*Use backward flying as much as you can

I can imagine good casual run
*Use fastes possible engines most of the time
*Avoid make most time wasting deaths
*Use intention deaths
*Use backward flying as much as you can.
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MASTER-88: 2013-09-26 06:58:44 pm
Master-88
More research
Weird enemy depot warp glitch. I accidentally find it yesterday my ID table. Thats take me quite while make this again. Nothing idea how this happen. See last attempt this video or watch my level 4 speedrun where i accidentally make this.


Missile damage randomness glitch. Usually you are allowed take some random damage, but sometimes homing missile can kill you instant hit


Level 2 Java speedrun. That was actually quite good one. Some pretty tight strategys surprise me.
General Kong - Bullets and Bananas
Good stuff MASTER-88, I'm going to have to start playing again.  I have Contra and Bonk up first, but your play through is inspiring.
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Master-88
Quote from DK28:
Good stuff MASTER-88, I'm going to have to start playing again.  I have Contra and Bonk up first, but your play through is inspiring.


Cool DK28 and im glad my gameplaying inspiring you play that game.

I´ll try help you much i can. I´ll continued search some tips,stuffs and strategys and probably try make some personal best speedruns in future too. I´ll hope i can aim at least 21-22 minutes run in future. This look if i can play all things well i did my ID stuffs this game could be easily under 20 minutes.

EDIT:
level 1 Sumatra new speedrun with all depots (3:30) (much better looking than old one but i got twin missile depot this time)


I pick up twin missiles here, but i am pretty sure this is very easy skip even casual speedruns. As long as i got firebomb i use it not need twin missiles. Its could just help and save little amount time begin level 2. Skipping twin missiles save around 10-15 seconds. But then you got one more less extra life, its mostly make game harder because every extra lifes is importants, you need use several intention deaths and and unintentions deaths so easily happen.

Most timesaver trick was explode those building with new system. New way is easier and also much faster.

Level 1 is still very easy level for me rightnow. Also level 2 is quite easy. Level 4 seems are harder than other 5 levels total. Even i am practice level 4 more than other levels and i still can only consisten die here. LOL
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Master-88
I did first speedrun my console.

I did beat game in 22:35.

Absolutely horrible. 4 unintention deaths.
-Level 3 just noob thanks horrible controlls and weak hit box.
-Level 4 this was very minor one cost only few seconds
-Level 5 boss room. Not my fault, but fucking game bug doestn, register hits with boss. This death cost huge amount time its definitely my biggest error my run ( i count i lost 1 minutes and 10 seconds) Other deaths not are huge like this.
-Level 6 boss room. This boss is really hard one its nice i die only once, sometimes its just take multiple deaths and i can,t consistent that even my emu practice.

Let see will i post video. This show some good strategys. I´ll definitely try improve this one. At least this beat my playthrough time by multiple minutes. I definitely could make 20 minutes run just with little bit better luck. Under 20 minutes might requires some damn great executions and avoid some horrible deaths what i did here. But for sure under 20 minutes is very possible time to reach.

About good stuffs my 22:35 run
-I used fastest possible engines entire game expect last boss. This fight is just totally insane with hyper engine used.
-Im not used menu too much.
-I use all possible intention deaths saving time expect level 4 glitch which is virtually impossible make consistent.
-This look i really know what i was doing here. My planning working quite well i wanted. My gameplay overal look pretty solid, its little bit cautions with hardest places though.
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MASTER-88: 2013-10-15 09:54:21 am
Master-88
New speedrun

19.42


A lot better run and definitely worth watching.
Finally sub 20 minutes which beat my orginal goal.
only one unintention death, but that not cost much time (probably something like 10 seconds because i did it very begin after checkpoint

Next i have to look some new plans. I know under 19 minutes is definitely possible time to reach. But well this run was quite good one through very hard game.
Nice M88.  I applaud you.  This is a rough game, happy to see it getting done.  Sorry I couldn't do it myself, but you are rocking it.
Master-88
Quote from Working DK:
Nice M88.  I applaud you.  This is a rough game, happy to see it getting done.  Sorry I couldn't do it myself, but you are rocking it.


Thanks. Yeah this game is rough but luckily my consistent are went much better.

Next i have to back emulator grind and look out some things and plans which could save time.

Level 1: Skipping twin missiles. I believe im not need take it. its make level 2 begin little bit slower and harder but nothing else. I think skipping is still faster
Level 2: Nothing news. Skipping armor might be useful on TAS but its make game way too hard for me.
Level 3: Nothing much new i think
Level 4: Okay not much new plans. Death warp glitch save time but just 100% luck. Also i have to check out couple minor things
Level 5: I have couple great ideas. I think its could be useful change fire bomb or mines and use that until last boss end of the level 6 is reached. There just change homing missile 2 back and hyper engine to normal engine. LAst boss is nearly suicide with hyper engines. Also probably 3 way and hyper armor could be skipped but its will requires some no damage begin and its very risky way.
Level 6: I have to test make mines or firebomb this level faster. Its might make some targets destroyed faster.
Last boss: I trying find way use agressive strategy, but its doesn´t seems working in any theory. This way i used my run look like best possible.

If my new plans and strategys working well i wanted i can definitely go for sub 19 minutes. Probably even in 18:30.
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MASTER-88: 2013-10-16 09:41:45 am
Master-88
Okay new time

18:21

I did die last boss damn. Sad Its cost roughly 12-13 seconds.

I might go for under 18 minutes or i got deathless run i probably will are done then. Otherwise my 18:21 run was simply awesome run new plans drop my time whole 1:20. I probably will post video later.

Video is here


Damn last boss i hate you. Angry I might aim sub 18 minutes run next. Its requires just better gameplay and avoid this horrible death what i did with last fight. I use hyper engine method and its make last boss really hard. This fuck still piss me of only two hit remain and my time was hittiing 18:09-18:10 range.
Master-88
Level 5 boss quick kill


Its not that hard i managed it easily. I think this will drop my current time little bit. I think i might aim under 18 minutes and i´ll submit. Current time is 18:21.
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Master-88
Back the progress

LOL die level 5 boss 16:06 SDA timer. Fucking good run. Piss me off so fucking much. My stupid

I did my best level 6 run in 1:04 +sub screens. I think 17:30 could be some awesome run. My PB is 18:21.

Level 4 is so fucking nasty shit level. Most attempt end here. Level 4 is really hard one.

I think i´ll make this game up in SDA in future, but its will requires some serious effort. Im happy my consisnten increased a lot make through level 3. 4 & 5 level kill always. Level 5 is easy, but always die with boss. I can did this my practice 9/10 attempts. But somereason i always did wrong it my console.

I was pretty happy my 18:21 run. Im not submit it with few reasons:
-I find better strategys most levels
-Level 5 boss stragy is oudated
-level 6 strategy is also really outdated
-I die level 6 boss (cost 13 seconds)

17:45 might be good and 17:30 might be great. Sub 17 minutes is definitely possible but im not even try reach it yet

We have to remember this game difficult is like a lot Ghost & Goblins. Its very hard game.
Master-88
18:06.
Its PB but  pretty shit one. I was something rough 20-30 second behind my best attempts (where i die level 5 boss) This time i make horrible level 4 volcano target.  I also totally mess up target one level 6. I also die unintention middle of level 6 but that cost only 5-6 seconds. Its not even bad compared other mistakes i did.

I´ll check couple things. This run will improvement easily when i got some runs finnish.  It very hard to say how well i´ll make this. That was only attempts got finnish game without huge time costing deaths.

I´ll probably post some video when i´ll got sub 18 or something.
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MASTER-88: 2014-08-12 10:27:23 am
Master-88
17:12


-This started look pretty good.
-Its over minutes improvement over my old video October 2013.
-Level 2 boss room was insane good. This is 2nd time this happen tank didn´t try even shoot me. Not know how this happen. Weird but nice
-Level 3 was somewhat cautions but okay.
-Level 4 volcano target suck pretty much. Its very hard one though. Its rarery went much better.
-Level 4 last part suck too. I also die in boss room. Thanks awesome controlls.
-Level 5 was good. Its very hard pick up those guys faster. I was close die with boss because i did my mistake but i survive.
-Level 6 went very well. Boss is weird and sometimes its not register all hits what i want. I also miss this save spot. Its sometimes working and sometimes not. Its just random.

I got ptetty nice PB.

I want still try redo some bad things. Level 4 only has at least 15-20 seconds rooms possible to improve many other things could be faster though. I think i can´t make level 2 boss room faster or even fast like this in future runs but nearly everythings else is more or less possible to improve.
Wow, keep knocking that time down M88!  I'll have to watch that when I get home.  Glad to see you're still working on it.  Still planning on getting a submittable run?