Categories discussion -.-;;

darkwasabi

2006-04-09 10:31:32 pm

King of hearts

Quote:

SEPERATE CATEGORY

I see my caps lock is a little contagious, yesh.

soteos

Edit history:

soteos: 2006-04-10 05:29:32 am

2006-04-10 05:27:39 am

There will be no split based on skill. It will depend on the game and the glitch (see the Mario Kart 64 page). It's best as a case-by-case basis.
If you miss an old run you thought was more skilled, you can still get it from archive.org.
And imo, the important part of speedrunning is the work runners put into their runs, not their skill.

Aresake

2006-04-10 08:29:06 am

Glowy eyes of DOOM!

Grr. No one ever said they wanted a split based on skill either. We don't have some hidden agenda to save TSA's 4:57 from obsoletion. I can't help but think that people are deliberately misunderstanding the viewpoint that KD and I are trying our best to advance here.

But enough of that. It sounds like categorization based on glitches alone is the most straightforward way to go anyways. I hadn't been following the new OoT thread carefully enough to realize that severe glitches like the gannon trial skip were going to be in a seperate category. As for the medallion skips, well, it seems like hardly anyone shares my sentiments on that, so I'll just cope.

MaximuSX

Edit history:

MaximuSX: 2006-04-20 03:29:53 am

2006-04-20 03:28:55 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Quote:

That's not true either. Have you seen the new HL2 run? Call me a fool, but I'm pretty sure they left the game boundaries several times in that video.

Actually, we never left the game boundaries, although even the term "game boundaries" is pretty vague. For example, we never left any of the main textured "rooms", although we ran across the top edge on coast in one instance. Didn't leave them though, and it's fully possible to go under the textured areas in that map.

However, even if we DID go under the map in that one, we're still inside physical boundaries, ie all maps are surrounded by invisible walls. I did discover a way to leave THOSE boundaries as well, but it wasn't used in the run ([plug]although it is shown in a Tricks video that will be released with the DVD [/plug]). When you do, you basically fall very far away from the map, hit the "bottom" (there's ANOTHER one!) and loop back to the top, fall again, repeat.

So yeah, a little off-topic but the point is, this is all very ambiguous. Tricks should be judged on an individual basis. I can see why a trick that skips 95% of the game would be either put into a seperate category or disallowed, but this is only a problem with non-linear games anyway.

About OoT, I think it would be neat to have an "anything goes" category, a "non-void" category, and a complete (ie all temples) category, SIMILAR to the 16,70,120 stars deal with Mario64, but beyond that is ridiculous. I also wouldn't recommend such a deal with all games, just the very popular ones.

[quote]That's not true either.  Have you seen the new HL2 run?  Call me a fool, but I'm pretty sure they left the game boundaries several times in that video.[/quote]

Actually, we never left the game boundaries, although even the term "game boundaries" is pretty vague. For example, we never left any of the main textured "rooms", although we ran across the top edge on coast in one instance. Didn't leave them though, and it's fully possible to go under the textured areas in that map.

However, even if we DID go under the map in that one, we're still inside physical boundaries, ie all maps are surrounded by invisible walls. I did discover a way to leave THOSE boundaries as well, but it wasn't used in the run ([plug]although it is shown in a Tricks video that will be released with the DVD [/plug]). When you do, you basically fall very far away from the map, hit the "bottom" (there's ANOTHER one!) and loop back to the top, fall again, repeat.

So yeah, a little off-topic but the point is, this is all very ambiguous. Tricks should be judged on an individual basis. I can see why a trick that skips 95% of the game would be either put into a seperate category or disallowed, but this is only a problem with non-linear games anyway.

About OoT, I think it would be neat to have an "anything goes" category, a "non-void" category, and a complete (ie all temples) category, SIMILAR to the 16,70,120 stars deal with Mario64, but beyond that is ridiculous. I also wouldn't recommend such a deal with all games, just the very popular ones.