Castlevania: The Adventure Rebirth

Persona

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Persona: 2010-03-27 11:26:26 am

2010-03-27 10:41:36 am

Castlevania?

Quote from Lord_VG:

Hmm, yeah, that's the only method I know of too. Sad

If I honestly can't pass Stage 5, I may just take out some damage boosts (while keeping the hit trading with the mid boss).

I'll add in some of my strats if any of you guys want to do Normal or Hard Mode runs.

For Dracula I keep the cross. First form, basically do 3 hits per teleport (maybe 4 is possible?).

For second form:

2 hits > jump over fireball while doing 1 hit > 1 hit > [2 hits every time he lands] > repeat same method when he does the fireball part

You can get in 3 hits in instead of 2 right when he transforms to his second form.

For 3rd form, spam cross and whip. At the beginning you can do damage on his lower jaw (actually that's pretty much the only thing you can reach) until it breaks. After that attacking him doesn't do damage (well it doesn't for me anyhow) but you still need to attack him so he will release the platforms so you can reach his eyes. Spam cross and attacks on his eyes. You can basically force him to reopen platforms in like a 2-3 seconds with proper spamming right when they go back down.

[quote="Lord_VG"]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qP_8_TnhGs&feature=related
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Hmm, yeah, that's the only method I know of too. :(
If I honestly can't pass Stage 5, I may just take out some damage boosts (while keeping the hit trading with the mid boss).

I'll add in some of my strats if any of you guys want to do Normal or Hard Mode runs.

For Dracula I keep the cross. First form, basically do 3 hits per teleport (maybe 4 is possible?).

For second form:

2 hits > jump over fireball while doing 1 hit > 1 hit > [2 hits every time he lands] > repeat same method when he does the fireball part

You can get in 3 hits in instead of 2 right when he transforms to his second form.

For 3rd form, spam cross and whip. At the beginning you can do damage on his lower jaw (actually that's pretty much the only thing you can reach) until it breaks. After that attacking him doesn't do damage (well it doesn't for me anyhow) but you still need to attack him so he will release the platforms so you can reach his eyes. Spam cross and attacks on his eyes. You can basically force him to reopen platforms in like a 2-3 seconds with proper spamming right when they go back down.

KefkaMayDie

2010-03-28 12:36:22 pm

Planning a Cave Story

The axe will be faster for Drac. In his third form after the jaw drops off, only hitting his eyes do damage, and the axes can hit those with ease.

As for meat in level 5, there is some right before the mid boss in the right wall which you've found, and there is some in the elevator ride up. It's in the platform at the very top with the candle floating above it.

Persona

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Persona: 2010-03-28 07:00:13 pm

2010-03-28 06:39:15 pm

Castlevania?

Just tried the axe a few times. Getting slower times than the cross. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but my cross time is usually at around 4:30 at the final hit (ingame time).

thri11ki11

2010-06-28 11:05:46 am

Don't MAKE me come down these stairs

Just wanted to bump this since I just completed an Easy mode speedrun in 19:04. Waiting for the go-ahead from Mike to send it in.

Sir VG

2010-06-28 12:00:31 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

Quote from thri11ki11:

Just wanted to bump this since I just completed an Easy mode speedrun in 19:04. Waiting for the go-ahead from Mike to send it in.

Congrats.

Better enjoy my place on the page while I can then.

MatrixTN

2010-06-28 01:59:17 pm

You got a deletion wish?

Quote from Lord_VG:

Quote from thri11ki11:

Just wanted to bump this since I just completed an Easy mode speedrun in 19:04. Waiting for the go-ahead from Mike to send it in.

Congrats.

Better enjoy my place on the page while I can then.

Or quickly pull out an even better run...

Vugmer

2010-06-28 04:48:26 pm

Cigar Man

Quote from thri11ki11:

Just wanted to bump this since I just completed an Easy mode speedrun in 19:04. Waiting for the go-ahead from Mike to send it in.

I completed an easy-mode run in 19:59 yesterday, but I obviously won't be submitting that now. I'll be looking forward to seeing this 19:04 run.

Vugmer

2010-06-29 11:00:41 am

Cigar Man

thri11ki11, did you use the same route Sir VG used in his run?

Sir VG

2010-06-29 12:00:25 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

I would expect it to be the the same, except for maybe Stage 4. Using the alternate routes in Stage 2 & 3 skips the minibosses, the side route in Stage 5 takes extra time, and 1 & 6 are straight forward. Stage 4 may be faster after all to take the miniboss route and keep the axe to the boss. I found it slower to take the climb up, but that's just me...

thri11ki11

2010-06-29 03:57:08 pm

Don't MAKE me come down these stairs

Quote from Lord_VG:

Congrats.

Thank-you. Smiley

Quote from vgmrsepitome:

thri11ki11, did you use the same route Sir VG used in his run?

Yup. Same route.

Quote from Lord_VG:

Stage 4 may be faster after all to take the miniboss route and keep the axe to the boss. I found it slower to take the climb up, but that's just me...

I dunno. I didn't try taking the normal route in 4. I just took your word for it that it was faster to go the other way Grin

Vugmer

2010-06-29 04:44:29 pm

Cigar Man

Did you kill the stage-four boss in one cycle?

thri11ki11

2010-06-29 06:27:14 pm

Don't MAKE me come down these stairs

Quote from vgmrsepitome:

Did you kill the stage-four boss in one cycle?

Sort of. I've actually done it cleanly three or four times. In this run, I kill it during the first cycle but it jumps at the last second, and it crumbles when it hits the ground (the jump adds about 4 or 5 seconds). It's probably the worst thing about the run. Due to this, I know that a sub 19:00 is possible, but I can't see a run getting below 18:50 all told.

Solairflaire

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Solairflaire: 2010-07-30 12:36:06 am

2010-07-30 12:30:38 am

Is there any word on the 19:04 run? It's been a month since there was any word on it last and I'd like to see it. I checked the verifier thread and don't see anything about it. Just wondering.

There was the beginning of discussions on doing Normal and Hard modes too. I figure I'd put down the meat locations I know of that are on the current route through to help it along if nothing else. As far as I can tell, the easy route is the fastest route on all difficulties. The only possible exception is Stage 4 on Hard. The normal route may be quicker since you can just jump up the tower instead of climbing stairs the whole way and the other way is littered with enemies.

Stage 1: You shouldn't need any, but for completeness' sake. 1. Just before the first door under the stairs. 2. Right after the mid-boss above the key door. 3. I think there is another where the paths come back together, but I can't remember too well. I've never needed meat at this point.

Stage 2: The only one I know of in the entire level is just before the checkpoint to the boss, under the stairs. It's a little outcropping on the wall.

Stage 3: None that I know of on the route. It's a doozy keeping the Axe for the entire level on Hard. Good luck with that. I haven't been able to at all.

Stage 4: 1. In the maze area, where the peeping tom is just above the first door. Incidentally there is a 1-up on the other side too. 2. If taking the normal route (non-key way), there is one above the leftmost exit before the boss on the screen after the crumbling bridge.

Stage 5: 1. Before the mid-boss under a gear on the right wall. 2. At the top of the elevator. You can grab this one without falling off the platform after whipping it if you're lucky, or just that good. 3. Just before death on the left side of the platform with the rolling eyeballs. You can reach it by jumping and whipping it from the little platform that sticks up. You gotta be precise on this one or you miss it. Or, if you have the Axe, you can use that too. This one is the real life saver.

Is there any word on the 19:04 run? It's been a month since there was any word on it last and I'd like to see it. I checked the verifier thread and don't see anything about it. Just wondering.

There was the beginning of discussions on doing Normal and Hard modes too. I figure I'd put down the meat locations I know of that are on the current route through to help it along if nothing else. As far as I can tell, the easy route is the fastest route on all difficulties. The only possible exception is Stage 4 on Hard. The normal route may be quicker since you can just jump up the tower instead of climbing stairs the whole way and the other way is littered with enemies.

Stage 1: You shouldn't need any, but for completeness' sake. 1. Just before the first door under the stairs. 2. Right after the mid-boss above the key door. 3. I think there is another where the paths come back together, but I can't remember too well. I've never needed meat at this point.

Stage 2: The only one I know of in the entire level is just before the checkpoint to the boss, under the stairs. It's a little outcropping on the wall.

Stage 3: None that I know of on the route. It's a doozy keeping the Axe for the entire level on Hard. Good luck with that. I haven't been able to at all.

Stage 4: 1. In the maze area, where the peeping tom is just above the first door. Incidentally there is a 1-up on the other side too. 2. If taking the normal route (non-key way), there is one above the leftmost exit before the boss on the screen after the crumbling bridge.

Stage 5: 1. Before the mid-boss under a gear on the right wall. 2. At the top of the elevator.  You can grab this one without falling off the platform after whipping it if you're lucky, or just that good. 3. Just before death on the left side of the platform with the rolling eyeballs. You can reach it by jumping and whipping it from the little platform that sticks up. You gotta be precise on this one or you miss it. Or, if you have the Axe, you can use that too. This one is the real life saver.

Sir VG

2010-07-30 12:39:50 am

Fucking Weeaboo

Quote from Solairflaire:

Is there any word on the 19:04 run? It's been a month since there was any word on it last and I'd like to see it. I checked the verifier thread and don't see anything about it. Just wondering.

There was the beginning of discussions on doing Normal and Hard modes too. I figure I'd put down the meat locations I know of that are on the current route through to help it along if nothing else. As far as I can tell, the easy route is the fastest route on all difficulties. The only possible exception is Stage 4 on Hard. The normal route may be quicker since you can just jump up the tower instead of climbing stairs the whole way and the other way is littered with enemies.

Stage 1: You shouldn't need any, but for completeness' sake. 1. Just before the first door under the stairs. 2. Right after the mid-boss above the key door. 3. I think there is another where the paths come back together, but I can't remember too well. I've never needed meat at this point.

Stage 2: The only one I know of in the entire level is just before the checkpoint to the boss, under the stairs. It's a little outcropping on the wall.

Stage 3: None that I know of on the route. It's a doozy keeping the Axe for the entire level on Hard. Good luck with that. I haven't been able to at all.

Stage 4: 1. In the maze area, where the peeping tom is just above the first door. Incidentally there is a 1-up on the other side too. 2. If taking the normal route (non-key way), there is one above the leftmost exit before the boss on the screen after the crumbling bridge.

Stage 5: 1. Before the mid-boss under a gear on the right wall. 2. At the top of the elevator. You can grab this one without falling off the platform after whipping it if you're lucky, or just that good. 3. Just before death on the left side of the platform with the rolling eyeballs. You can reach it by jumping and whipping it from the little platform that sticks up. You gotta be precise on this one or you miss it. Or, if you have the Axe, you can use that too. This one is the real life saver.

You missed the giant thread in the verification forum that says it was accepted.

[quote="Solairflaire"]
Is there any word on the 19:04 run? It's been a month since there was any word on it last and I'd like to see it. I checked the verifier thread and don't see anything about it. Just wondering.

There was the beginning of discussions on doing Normal and Hard modes too. I figure I'd put down the meat locations I know of that are on the current route through to help it along if nothing else. As far as I can tell, the easy route is the fastest route on all difficulties. The only possible exception is Stage 4 on Hard. The normal route may be quicker since you can just jump up the tower instead of climbing stairs the whole way and the other way is littered with enemies.

Stage 1: You shouldn't need any, but for completeness' sake. 1. Just before the first door under the stairs. 2. Right after the mid-boss above the key door. 3. I think there is another where the paths come back together, but I can't remember too well. I've never needed meat at this point.

Stage 2: The only one I know of in the entire level is just before the checkpoint to the boss, under the stairs. It's a little outcropping on the wall.

Stage 3: None that I know of on the route. It's a doozy keeping the Axe for the entire level on Hard. Good luck with that. I haven't been able to at all.

Stage 4: 1. In the maze area, where the peeping tom is just above the first door. Incidentally there is a 1-up on the other side too. 2. If taking the normal route (non-key way), there is one above the leftmost exit before the boss on the screen after the crumbling bridge.

Stage 5: 1. Before the mid-boss under a gear on the right wall. 2. At the top of the elevator.  You can grab this one without falling off the platform after whipping it if you're lucky, or just that good. 3. Just before death on the left side of the platform with the rolling eyeballs. You can reach it by jumping and whipping it from the little platform that sticks up. You gotta be precise on this one or you miss it. Or, if you have the Axe, you can use that too. This one is the real life saver.
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You missed the giant thread in the verification forum that says it was accepted.

Solairflaire

2010-07-30 02:16:22 am

I saw Lament of Innocence and Chronicles. Apparently I got a case of Castlevania overload and missed it. Thanks for pointing that out.

Speaking of Normal and Hard runs. Does anyone have estimated times they think would be acceptable? I don't have recording equipment, but I've gotten a normal run in 21:55 using hand timing. With the new run accepted, I'm sure there are strategies in it I haven't thought of that could be applied. I was thinking I might try for the Normal time. I have to beat Hard without dying before I'll think of trying that beast.

Sir VG

2010-07-30 02:20:05 am

Fucking Weeaboo

Well, a lot of the strats from the new Easy run will NOT apply, since the heart counts are drastically lower. Pocket Watch is used for the vast majority of the run, but mostly to burn heart counts. The route should pretty well apply, it's just mainly figuring out what subweapons to keep around, if any. I suspect something will probably be needed for Stage 6, since once you break the jaw on Dracula's 3rd form, you can't hit him a fair portion of the time. Whether the Axe or Cross will be used, I don't know.

thri11ki11

2010-07-30 09:03:06 pm

Don't MAKE me come down these stairs

Quote from Lord_VG:

Well, a lot of the strats from the new Easy run will NOT apply, since the heart counts are drastically lower. Pocket Watch is used for the vast majority of the run, but mostly to burn heart counts.

Another strategy that won't work is using the jump when taking damage in order to avoid getting frozen, since you're knocked back in Normal and Hard modes.

I haven't tried a Normal run yet, but 21:55 seems like it would be pretty close to acceptable. Provided the extra enemies, extra damage that must be dealt to the bosses, damage that can't be taken due to increased enemy power, and an extra form for Dracula, I don't see 3:00 being a totally unreasonable gap.

Don't even ask me about Hard mode. Haven't cleared that in one life either.

Solairflaire

2010-07-31 03:02:48 am

There are still places where the damage boosting can make a gain on Normal and Hard where it can't on Easy. Stage 5 is the best example.

After the mid-boss going up the ascent there is the spot with a broken stair and a peeping eye sitting by it. It's possible to damage boost up if you get hit just right (either by the eye or a medusa) and skip the stairs that are broken saving significant time.

While I'll admit most of the strategies won't work, with proper modification they could be similar and serve the same function. Remember that Normal mode has pretty much the same enemy placement as Easy. Similar strategies will probably work. They would just need to be modified for not wanting to get hit backwards.

One thing I've noticed about getting knocked around is that it seems to be related to where on the enemy you get hit. Not the direction you're facing. This could provide boosts in unexpected locations.

Also, I did testing on Dracula's third form today. I seem to get quicker results using the boomerang. About 10 seconds faster on Normal. Maybe I just suck at using the axe though. I'll admit I never actually thought to use it on him before you mentioned it.

There are still places where the damage boosting can make a gain on Normal and Hard where it can't on Easy. Stage 5 is the best example.

After the mid-boss going up the ascent there is the spot with a broken stair and a peeping eye sitting by it. It's possible to damage boost up if you get hit just right (either by the eye or a medusa) and skip the stairs that are broken saving significant time.

While I'll admit most of the strategies won't work, with proper modification they could be similar and serve the same function. Remember that Normal mode has pretty much the same enemy placement as Easy. [b]Similar[/b] strategies will probably work. They would just need to be modified for not wanting to get hit backwards.

One thing I've noticed about getting knocked around is that it seems to be related to where on the enemy you get hit. Not the direction you're facing. This could provide boosts in unexpected locations.

Also, I did testing on Dracula's third form today. I seem to get quicker results using the boomerang. About 10 seconds faster on Normal. Maybe I just suck at using the axe though. I'll admit I never actually thought to use it on him before you mentioned it.

Solairflaire

2010-08-07 04:31:34 am

After having given it some thought, I actually went ahead and got a DVD recorder and started recording runs. I've got a normal mode run recorded that I think is submittable. If my timing is correct, it finishes in 21:07.

Timing Question: Timing starts when you can first control the character (just after the Stage 1 screen disappears), correct? It ends when the Stage Clear screen appears after Dracula, right? If not, my timing is off and I'll recalculate it to post here.

I know it there are improvements, but I'm not sure I'm capable of doing them, at least not in one whole playthrough. Some are based on pure luck and others are difficult to do.

I've played the game quite a bit and I do want to start on a different game, or at least start discussions on it. I'm going to hold off on my decision to submit till Monday probably. Give me time to think if I want to try some more or not.

This really came about because my last monthly paycheck was quite a bit larger than I was expecting.

Solairflaire

2010-08-10 01:52:13 am

I went ahead and tried a couple hours to improve my run and managed to actually do just that. All told, I'm speed run out on this game. I'm going to submit the new one (which looks better overall too). The new time is 21:02. I'll let the run speak for itself.