Cash bounties for speedruns [locked]

2007-04-30 07:15:40 pm

100% runs=great to watch

But all those fears were pretty much explained waay on back in the thread. People are no more likely to screw around on this than they would be with regular ole' SDA submissions.

Besides, even with general bounties posted here the runner and bounty offerer will hash out all the fine details up to snuff, prolly along with most other folk on SDA should they do the easy thing and make a topic for it.

Sorcerer88

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Sorcerer88: 2007-04-30 08:31:03 pm

2007-04-30 07:28:22 pm

I have no solution, but i admire the problem.

Doing a sloppy run to claim the reward is really something we ought to worry about. The antidote is requiring SDA-verification for a bounty run.

Not paying bounties or cheating to get bounties is something you can't avoid. Anyways, no member who wants to keep his reputation here would do something like that. Again, SDA-verification helps cheating-wise.

Pweisger, i was actually thinking about getting your red faction impossible difficulty bounty. But now that i know you're a poor college guy ( no offense ), i guess i can't do that anymore. Don't you want to lower your bounty to something like 60-100$? I mean, that run is probably far from impossible, and this is still a great bounty. That way, i could probably even get over my bad conscience concerning your financial situation.

Alright, i have some bounties to offer, too:
Tony Hawk's 3 100%: 60$
I'm not sure what 100% means here. I'd say all targets with any skater, gold in every competition and all decks, but status points could be needed too ( unlikely ). I'll start a discussion in the THPS3 thread.
Phantasy Star Episode 1 (any%) with Force character: 60$

These bounties require SDA-verification.

Doing a sloppy run to claim the reward is really something we ought to worry about. The antidote is requiring SDA-verification for a bounty run.

Not paying bounties or cheating to get bounties is something you can't avoid. Anyways, no member who wants to keep his reputation here would do something like that. Again, SDA-verification helps cheating-wise.

Pweisger, i was actually thinking about getting your red faction impossible difficulty bounty. But now that i know you're a poor college guy ( no offense ), i guess i can't do that anymore. Don't you want to lower your bounty to something like 60-100$? I mean, that run is probably far from impossible, and this is still a great bounty. That way, i could probably even get over my bad conscience concerning your financial situation.

Alright, i have some bounties to offer, too:
[b]Tony Hawk's 3 100%: 60$[/b]
I'm not sure what 100% means here. I'd say all targets with any skater, gold in every competition and all decks, but status points could be needed too ( unlikely ). I'll start a discussion in the THPS3 thread.
[b]Phantasy Star Episode 1 (any%) with Force character: 60$[/b]

These bounties require SDA-verification.

stanski

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stanski: 2007-05-01 07:55:53 am

2007-05-01 07:52:02 am

wise fwom yo gwave

Slowbro, don't know if you saw my post earlier, but can you remove the "15+ second improvement" bounty? Explanation is I myself will eventually do it and i've already beat my run by a small margin (not submittable in my mind though). If someone was already working on it (very doubtful), please let me know asap.

I'd like to replace that bounty with a $75 bounty for a no death's speedrun of TMNT 3 for NES. You can play as any character you want, but that character cannot die. And if there is any weird way to change characters mid run I don't know about, you can't do that. Same character, all the way through, no deaths.

Oh, and my favorite character is donatello. Not that i really care that much who you do it with.

Lancet

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Lancet: 2007-05-01 08:47:02 am

2007-05-01 08:41:41 am

I'm new to this site (directed here by a friend), and I'd like to inquire about that GTA:SA speedrun bounty being offered.

I read it is a 100% (in-game stat) completion, along with all golds at the schools, and all unique jumps, correct?

Also, how would I go about recording the speedrun and such? I'm not exactly an expert with that stuff..

I apologize if I'm not inquiring correctly since I just joined and stuff, so if not, direct me to the correct place please. Thanks in advance for any assistance Smiley

stanski

2007-05-01 08:52:00 am

wise fwom yo gwave

http://speeddemosarchive.com/faq.html#recording

Not sure how it would be handled, as it won't be accepted by SDA because of the length, so I would discuss the matter with Pweisger directly and see what he wants.

Lancet

2007-05-01 09:30:19 am

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http://speeddemosarchive.com/faq.html#recording

Not sure how it would be handled, as it won't be accepted by SDA because of the length, so I would discuss the matter with Pweisger directly and see what he wants.

Thanks for the link Smiley

The GTA series is one of my specialties (I'm a rare hunter, I seek rare vehicles, situations, rewards, etc), so after seeing this I was thinking of parlaying my skills into profit (after all, what gamer doesn't wish they could be paid to play). Of course, the speedrun aspect makes it harder than simply "playing the game," but that's the fun part. In any case, I'd certainly be game.

Pweisger

2007-05-01 09:37:05 am

PwNzRd!

Well the San Andreas run I am thinking of tackling myself.

As for Red Faction, I said these bounties weren't final until May 11th, so I may lower them. If the Red Faction run is easier than I anticipated, I will lower the bounty. I try to keep the bounty amount based around difficulty and how badly I want to see them.

I can sort out the details of any of my mentioned runs to any interested parties. I will be very thorough in my review of the runs, and know the games well enough to detect cheating.

I think a good way of making sure it is a high quality run is to put either a time limit, turn limit or segment limit on it. However, I am also not a dick and plan to hold true to my promises. We will have to see.

It is important I get feedback (like the Red Faction comment) to know if my bounty amounts seem reasonable or should be lowered. Plus the feasibility of each run. This is why the totals aren't final yet.

Marty81

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Marty81: 2007-05-01 09:44:21 am

2007-05-01 09:38:16 am

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What can you say? That Mario is an Italian charmer!

There are actually more games I'd offer cash for, but I'll keep it simple and focused. I'd rather use Paypal, but I could send a check if I had to, I guess. Anyone interested just has to get an appropriate run up on SDA. I would be verifying of course. Wink

Star Ocean 1 (JP): $50
Star Ocean 2: $50
Valkyrie Profile, hard mode 100% (all dungeons): $50
Star Ocean 3, single segment: $25
Radiata Stories, 100% (all characters): $50 (and another $200 from slowbro)
Valkyrie Profile 2, single segment: $25

No prize for guessing the theme. There are more categories I'd reward, except that I know they're already being worked on or in queue. I know that's dumb but sorry. Tongue

Wow. I might just come out of my long retirement for the SO3 one.

Edit: If I do it, it's going to be more than 2 hours, that's for sure. How would I capture such a monstrosity? I have a VHS recorder and I have a capture card, but I don't have enough hard drive space to capture (say) 4 hours of HuffYUV'd 640x480 content.

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What can you say? That Mario is an Italian charmer!

There are actually more games I'd offer cash for, but I'll keep it simple and focused. I'd rather use Paypal, but I could send a check if I had to, I guess. Anyone interested just has to get an appropriate run up on SDA. I would be verifying of course. ;)

Star Ocean 1 (JP): $50
Star Ocean 2: $50
Valkyrie Profile, hard mode 100% (all dungeons): $50
Star Ocean 3, single segment: $25
Radiata Stories, 100% (all characters): $50 (and another $200 from slowbro)
Valkyrie Profile 2, single segment: $25

No prize for guessing the theme. There are more categories I'd reward, except that I know they're already being worked on or in queue. I know that's dumb but sorry. :P[/quote]

Wow. I might just come out of my long retirement for the SO3 one.

Edit: If I do it, it's going to be more than 2 hours, that's for sure. How would I capture such a monstrosity? I have a VHS recorder and I have a capture card, but I don't have enough hard drive space to capture (say) 4 hours of HuffYUV'd 640x480 content.

Lancet

2007-05-01 09:52:48 am

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Well the San Andreas run I am thinking of tackling myself.

As for Red Faction, I said these bounties weren't final until May 11th, so I may lower them. If the Red Faction run is easier than I anticipated, I will lower the bounty. I try to keep the bounty amount based around difficulty and how badly I want to see them.

I can sort out the details of any of my mentioned runs to any interested parties. I will be very thorough in my review of the runs, and know the games well enough to detect cheating.

I think a good way of making sure it is a high quality run is to put either a time limit, turn limit or segment limit on it. However, I am also not a dick and plan to hold true to my promises. We will have to see.

It is important I get feedback (like the Red Faction comment) to know if my bounty amounts seem reasonable or should be lowered. Plus the feasibility of each run. This is why the totals aren't final yet.

Well, for the SA one, I'd be willing to try it myself, though honestly, 80 segments is a tad much. The majority of time (and neccessity of segments) would be spent on the side requirements for your 100% (all golds, all jumps, and R3 missions), as I could very likely complete the vast majority of "story" missions with excellent precision on the first try, limiting my need for multiple segments, and to avoid redoing stuff (unless I'm very mistaken as to how it'd work...). I'm fairly confident I'd only need half that, and even that's stretching it a tad much (and this is from someone who's never done a proper speedrun, but who knows the game inside out and knows how speedruns are done, more or less).

[quote]Well the San Andreas run I am thinking of tackling myself.

As for Red Faction, I said these bounties weren't final until May 11th, so I may lower them. If the Red Faction run is easier than I anticipated, I will lower the bounty. I try to keep the bounty amount based around difficulty and how badly I want to see them.

I can sort out the details of any of my mentioned runs to any interested parties. I will be very thorough in my review of the runs, and know the games well enough to detect cheating.

I think a good way of making sure it is a high quality run is to put either a time limit, turn limit or segment limit on it. However, I am also not a dick and plan to hold true to my promises. We will have to see.

It is important I get feedback (like the Red Faction comment) to know if my bounty amounts seem reasonable or should be lowered. Plus the feasibility of each run. This is why the totals aren't final yet.[/quote]

Well, for the SA one, I'd be willing to try it myself, though honestly, 80 segments is a tad much. The majority of time (and neccessity of segments) would be spent on the side requirements for your 100% (all golds, all jumps, and R3 missions), as I could very likely complete the vast majority of "story" missions with excellent precision on the first try, limiting my need for multiple segments, and to avoid redoing stuff (unless I'm very mistaken as to how it'd work...). I'm fairly confident I'd only need half that, and even that's stretching it a tad much (and this is from someone who's never done a proper speedrun, but who knows the game inside out and knows how speedruns are done, more or less).

Enhasa

2007-05-01 01:30:53 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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Wow. I might just come out of my long retirement for the SO3 one.

Edit: If I do it, it's going to be more than 2 hours, that's for sure. How would I capture such a monstrosity? I have a VHS recorder and I have a capture card, but I don't have enough hard drive space to capture (say) 4 hours of HuffYUV'd 640x480 content.

Thank you Marty, you are awesome.

You can just record onto VHS tapes like normal. Use SP mode. You are allowed to pause to switch tapes, and the pause will be edited out and not included in your final time. We have a guy, Nate, who you can mail your tapes to, and then SDA will take care of the rest.

The not having enough HD space for huffyuv's is exactly why I've had to submit VHS tapes before, myself.

Pweisger

2007-05-02 07:06:26 am

PwNzRd!

Well, how would 50 segment sound? Seem more reasonable, because I know it's a long game?

Lancet

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Lancet: 2007-05-02 07:30:06 am

2007-05-02 07:18:48 am

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Well, how would 50 segment sound? Seem more reasonable, because I know it's a long game?

Well, I'd need to map out a basic plan for how to do this all on GTASA, but, at least for me, even 50 is sounding a bit much. The major things that would need a segment dedicated to (off the top of my head) are:
-Schools (2-3 segments per school, maybe only 1 for boat school)
-One for Paramedic/Firefighter
-One for Vigilante
-3-4 for all Street Races
-2 for Quarry
-3 for Stationary missions (8-Track, Bloodring, etc)
-Perhaps an overestimate, but 10 for story missions
-2-3 for Jumps
-3, 1 per collectable (oysters during the other 3)

That's around 35-40 segments. Depending on how far I'd want to push my luck, perhaps even less for story missions (I could clear most LS1 missions in one run, and maybe even a few Badlands missions too). If you're familiar with the game (like me) there's really no reason other than fatigue to not do literally dozens of story missions at once. There's only a few that'd trip me up (Supply Lines... for example), the vast majority I'd have trouble failing if I don't screw around like I usually do).

Most of the other completion % stuff I didn't mention is easy, and I could do it in between story missions (such as courier missions).

One of the major things I've been debating is whether or not I should do collectables during story missions, or make a seperate circuit. No doubt the latter is easier, but the former may work well time-wise.

Whatcha think of my apprasial so far? If you've been thinking about attempting it yourself, surely you've given it some thought Tongue

EDIT: As for story mission segment allotment, I could even piggyback them on sidequest segments, in the sense that they are usually so easy, I could do the not-as-easy side mission, then do some story missions, cutting down on my segment expenditure even further.

[quote]Well, how would 50 segment sound? Seem more reasonable, because I know it's a long game?[/quote]

Well, I'd need to map out a basic plan for how to do this all on GTASA, but, at least for me, even 50 is sounding a bit much. The major things that would need a segment dedicated to (off the top of my head) are:
-Schools (2-3 segments per school, maybe only 1 for boat school)
-One for Paramedic/Firefighter
-One for Vigilante
-3-4 for all Street Races
-2 for Quarry
-3 for Stationary missions (8-Track, Bloodring, etc)
-Perhaps an overestimate, but 10 for story missions
-2-3 for Jumps
-3, 1 per collectable (oysters during the other 3)

That's around 35-40 segments. Depending on how far I'd want to push my luck, perhaps even less for story missions (I could clear most LS1 missions in one run, and maybe even a few Badlands missions too). If you're familiar with the game (like me) there's really no reason other than fatigue to not do literally dozens of story missions at once. There's only a few that'd trip me up (Supply Lines... for example), the vast majority I'd have trouble failing if I don't screw around like I usually do).

Most of the other completion % stuff I didn't mention is easy, and I could do it in between story missions (such as courier missions).

One of the major things I've been debating is whether or not I should do collectables during story missions, or make a seperate circuit. No doubt the latter is easier, but the former may work well time-wise.

Whatcha think of my apprasial so far? If you've been thinking about attempting it yourself, surely you've given it some thought :P

EDIT: As for story mission segment allotment, I could even piggyback them on sidequest segments, in the sense that they are usually so easy, I could do the not-as-easy side mission, then do some story missions, cutting down on my segment expenditure even further.

slowbro

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slowbro: 2007-05-03 01:42:32 am

2007-05-03 01:40:45 am

My apologies for taking so long to update the first post.

I am on the internet irregularly, sometimes many times a day, and sometimes not at all for several days.

For the Grand Theft Auto 100%, isn't 80 segments a maximum? As I understand it a smaller number of segments would be just fine, just avoid a larger number than 80.

Pweisger

2007-05-03 05:55:21 am

PwNzRd!

That was the point, that 80 was a max. How about 40 segments and sub 20 hours?

DavizZz

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DavizZz: 2007-05-03 09:03:04 pm

2007-05-03 09:01:39 pm

youtube.com/DavizZz2106

and again my english is too bad to understand this thread... sorry my dumb questions, but i am just interesting:

you offer money if some one improves a run?
e.g.

Half Life - Sub-55min SS on Hard no scripts - $50 by laughing_gas

so if i do a hl 53minutes run, laughing_gas will pay for it 50dollar? why? or do i understand sth wrong?

PLEASE DONT LAUGH I REALLY HAVE SOME TIMES PROBLEMES TO UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE

if i am wrong, please explain it by using easy words ^^

groobo

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groobo: 2007-05-03 09:11:41 pm

2007-05-03 09:09:36 pm

boss

you make half life hard mode no script 54 minute single segment you get 50$

Easy enough?

DavizZz

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DavizZz: 2007-05-03 09:18:27 pm

2007-05-03 09:18:01 pm

youtube.com/DavizZz2106

okay i understand, but why should some one pay for it 50dollar? this person could watch it also by paying nothing?

DavizZz

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DavizZz: 2007-05-03 09:23:50 pm

2007-05-03 09:20:48 pm

youtube.com/DavizZz2106

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I offer my life especially to sparky and other sick metroid prime speedrunners. Now it doesnt get anymore priceless than that ladies and gentlemen. We are talking about a human life here!?

and that is why i cant take it seriously... is it just for fun?

if yes: a resident evil JILL/NORMAL/NEW GAME under 1h26min00sec speedrun: i offer my left egg.

groobo

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groobo: 2007-05-03 09:37:23 pm

2007-05-03 09:34:54 pm

boss

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okay i understand, but why should some one pay for it 50dollar? this person could watch it also by paying nothing?

Everyone has his own reason(s).

DavizZz

2007-05-03 09:36:53 pm

youtube.com/DavizZz2106

sry i know that i can modify but i couldnt quote something in my previous post! SORRY!

Sir VG

2007-05-04 12:49:32 am

Fucking Weeaboo

CTRL + C is your friend.

Plus you can quote a post, copy the text, use the back button, then edit your prior post.

KNOWLEDGE IS POWA.

Psonar

2007-05-04 01:37:50 am

Long live SF64!

What the heck, I'll officially offer $25 for anyone who beats my Star Fox 64 any% run by 15 seconds (that's a 25:30), AND $50 to anyone who beats my Expert 100% run by 1:52 (that's a 1:23:00).

Anyone who wants to claim these must be in 2-way communication with me before they should expect the money. If I disappear from SDA or something and I can't be reached, then tough luck. I require SDA verification before awarding the money, and I emphasize that communication between me and the runner must be established before they should expect anything.

I want to see some more Star Fox 64 speedrunning!

Pweisger

2007-05-04 08:23:38 am

PwNzRd!

I do it merely as an added incentive. I know many of these runs may never be done without a little reward at the end.

By the way Lancet, do you think taking over all Gang Territories would be too much of a problem to add to the bounty? Because I would like to see a rapid takeover if possible. This is of course after you return to Los Santos later in the game.

DavizZz

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DavizZz: 2007-05-04 02:12:27 pm

2007-05-04 02:11:45 pm

youtube.com/DavizZz2106

i give 20dollars and my left egg if some one do a remake speedrun on normal as jill/ new game under 1h26min!
(NGC)

Lancet

2007-05-04 11:52:54 pm

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I do it merely as an added incentive. I know many of these runs may never be done without a little reward at the end.

By the way Lancet, do you think taking over all Gang Territories would be too much of a problem to add to the bounty? Because I would like to see a rapid takeover if possible. This is of course after you return to Los Santos later in the game.

Hmm...yes, that'd be possible. One concern I have is the tendency for new territories to spawn map-wide as a result of that territory glitch. Not only do these territories have an abysmally low spawn rate of gang members, some aren't even in areas that spawn peds, or cars, making it incredibly difficult. Compounding this is the mission where you go to Liberty, which usually inflicts at least one or two of these on you.

Of course, it'd be easy enough to write off those extra territories as invalid, and simply go for the core LS ones. If it was JUST those, yes, it'd likely be doable.

The question is, do you want them all conquered only once (at the end) or both times (during LS1 and 2 both)?

[quote]I do it merely as an added incentive. I know many of these runs may never be done without a little reward at the end.

By the way Lancet, do you think taking over all Gang Territories would be too much of a problem to add to the bounty? Because I would like to see a rapid takeover if possible. This is of course after you return to Los Santos later in the game.[/quote]

Hmm...yes, that'd be possible. One concern I have is the tendency for new territories to spawn map-wide as a result of that territory glitch. Not only do these territories have an abysmally low spawn rate of gang members, some aren't even in areas that spawn peds, or cars, making it incredibly difficult. Compounding this is the mission where you go to Liberty, which usually inflicts at least one or two of these on you.

Of course, it'd be easy enough to write off those extra territories as invalid, and simply go for the core LS ones. If it was JUST those, yes, it'd likely be doable.

The question is, do you want them all conquered only once (at the end) or both times (during LS1 and 2 both)?