Be nice! :)

Xarthok

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Xarthok: 2006-01-08 09:45:03 pm

2006-01-08 09:44:24 pm

DOSBox <3

You know, lot of people seem to lose interest in running and dedicating theirselves to some game just because nobody seems to care or they give undeserved negative feedback. Come on, is it that hard to encourage somebody to finish a run for good if they have started, even if you don't know the game or it isn't an "AAA" rated FPS/RPG... We do want more nice runs on the site, don't we? Really a lot of people download the demos in the end, but how can a runner be sure that he isn't just wasting his time in the process? Let them know, give more feedback, be more active in commenting and giving tips in something else than Half Life and Quake... Hope this made sense.

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InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-01-08 11:31:20 pm

2006-01-08 11:24:55 pm

Visit my profile to see my runs!

Hey, I know how you feel. I switched between four different games, due to an overwhelming sense of indifference, before I completed my first speedrun, but then again, I don't think anyone ever did end up giving a flying swine about Jaws. Though, I believe my current projects have produced more interest.

Honestly, though, you can't blame the general populace for neglecting certain threads/games. Granted, there are countless, frivolous remarks made about your typical Zelda game while solemn run X, for the 3D0, might garner little to none, but genuine interest is impossible to fabricate from nothing. Also, since most have had little to no experience with said title, they can't be expected to conjure any pearls of wisdom. Beyond that, most cases that involve somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII. Finally, those that reply to posts about Quake, for instance, are probably also interested in Unreal or even Half-Life runs as they are most likely to favor FPS's.

That being said, I, too, would love to see more members, almost randomly if need be, post supportive, encouraging statements for little known runs. [I should work on this, myself.]

Don't feel poorly or downtrodden if your runs are not gaining a momentous fanbase... unless you're one of a specific half dozen runners on this site, it probably isn't going to happen until you actually give in and run something phenomenally well-known. Starting out is difficult, and, chances are, people will begin to notice your runs the more and more you complete them.

If it's at all inspiring, I want you to know that I'm excited to see your proposed runs, as I honestly have never heard of a single one of their respective games. Do you have any threads?

Hey, I know how you feel.  I switched between four different games, due to an overwhelming sense of indifference, before I completed my first speedrun, but then again, I don't think anyone [i]ever did[/i] end up giving a flying swine about Jaws.  Though, I believe my current projects have produced more interest.

Honestly, though, you can't blame the general populace for neglecting certain threads/games.  Granted, there are countless, frivolous remarks made about your typical Zelda game while solemn run X, for the 3D0, might garner little to none, but genuine interest is impossible to fabricate from nothing.  Also, since most have had little to no experience with said title, they can't be expected to conjure any pearls of wisdom. Beyond that, most cases that involve somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII.  Finally, those that reply to posts about Quake, for instance, are probably also interested in Unreal or even Half-Life runs as they are most likely to favor FPS's.

[i]That being said[/i], I, too, would love to see more members, almost randomly if need be, post supportive, encouraging statements for little known runs.  [I should work on this, myself.]

Don't feel poorly or downtrodden if your runs are not gaining a momentous fanbase... unless you're one of a specific half dozen runners on this site, it probably isn't going to happen until you actually give in and run something phenomenally well-known.  Starting out is difficult, and, chances are, people will begin to notice your runs the more and more you complete them.

If it's at all inspiring, I want you to know that I'm excited to see your proposed runs, as I honestly have never heard of a single one of their respective games.  Do you have any threads?

KennyMan666

2006-01-08 11:28:44 pm

Precursor

The Jaws run in itself was awesome, it's just that the game sucks major balls.

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-01-08 11:33:57 pm

2006-01-08 11:33:37 pm

Visit my profile to see my runs!

I'm going to remember that quote for the rest of my life...

getter77

2006-01-08 11:42:05 pm

100% runs=great to watch

Meh, all I can pretty much do is cheer people on aside from 1 code and 1 link I found for some people. :-/

I've watched just about every run on this site, as well as most all I can find normally at archive.org. It is a rare thing indeed if I don't watch a run. (though some just aren't my thing)

I try and cheer people on and thank runners whenever I can...but I'm sure there are moments where I've forgotten somebody here and there.....tis regrettable.

Psychochild

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Psychochild: 2006-01-09 12:12:11 am

2006-01-09 12:09:34 am

Well, it's hard to be excited about a game that I've never heard of. Loom? Terranigma? What the hell are those games? People who do speed runs should just acknowledge that a lot of the time, their game isn't going to get a ton of obvious visible attention (Look at the DMC1 thread, one of the greatest and well known action games ever, is mostly made up of Sternn, Molotov, myself, Pwesiger, a guest and Nikullivin. Of those people, only myself and the topic runner have posted more than once in the thread).

People will often monitor threads as they progress on these high class games, but not join the discussion because they have nothing to add outside of enthusiasm and these new runners, these runners who are playing the more obscure games, or don't seem to have the huge support of the entire run should understand that as the saying goes, "No news is good news!"

Y'know what I mean? I instead recommend that the new runners look at the number of views their thread is getting after every update to more accurately gauge interest in the run (I.E. I got 50 views inbetween this update and my new update, not counting the few times I reloaded the page). It's not 100% accurate, as every time the page is opened or refreshed it gets added to the counter, but it's better than judging from the praise of one poster inbetween three updates.

Well, it's hard to be excited about a game that I've never heard of.  Loom?  Terranigma?  What the hell are those games?  People who do speed runs should just acknowledge that a lot of the time, their game isn't going to get a ton of obvious visible attention (Look at the DMC1 thread, one of the greatest and well known action games ever, is mostly made up of Sternn, Molotov, myself, Pwesiger, a guest and Nikullivin.  Of those people, only myself and the topic runner have posted more than once in the thread).

People will often monitor threads as they progress on these high class games, but not join the discussion because they have nothing to add outside of enthusiasm and these new runners, these runners who are playing the more obscure games, or don't seem to have the huge support of the entire run should understand that as the saying goes, "No news is good news!"

Y'know what I mean?  I instead recommend that the new runners look at the number of views their thread is getting after every update to more accurately gauge interest in the run (I.E. I got 50 views inbetween this update and my new update, not counting the few times I reloaded the page).  It's not 100% accurate, as every time the page is opened or refreshed it gets added to the counter, but it's better than judging from the praise of one poster inbetween three updates.

FIERCELINKMASTER

2006-01-09 12:11:19 am

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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You know, lot of people seem to lose interest in running and dedicating theirselves to some game just because nobody seems to care or they give undeserved negative feedback. Come on, is it that hard to encourage somebody to finish a run for good if they have started, even if you don't know the game or it isn't an "AAA" rated FPS/RPG... We do want more nice runs on the site, don't we? Really a lot of people download the demos in the end, but how can a runner be sure that he isn't just wasting his time in the process? Let them know, give more feedback, be more active in commenting and giving tips in something else than Half Life and Quake... Hope this made sense.

Well it has to have a balance. This is what I like to call an unwritten rule.

If you let the type of negative feedback you are talking about stop you from doing a run then you have some problems. Stay focused and you will be alright.

VorpalEdge

2006-01-09 12:19:29 am

welcome to the machine

I generally don't say post in a thread unless I have something other than 'I'd like to see this run!' to say.

Mad_Andy

2006-01-09 12:36:36 am

I've gotten quite lucky in the speedruns i did regarding interest. I somehow aim to run games that not many people have played or even heard about. Never the less, i agree that motivating people to do a speedrun is something that should be done. I've shown interest to runs of games that i haven't even played, even though i was interested in seeing that particular run. Sure, you could lie about interest but that's just a bad lier that the runner won't even know about. I'm sure out of all the people lurking this forum that there has to be someone who played that particular game, so we should start thinking about showing interest if it's not receiving. Anyway, the runner won't need anthing more than "i'm interested in this speedrun" to be motivated to do it, since he will know that he's actually doing something that people will watch and hopefully appreciate.

Ekarderif

2006-01-09 12:58:42 am

Your almighty lordship

If you truly think someone's run sucks, beat it. Smiley

Yoshi348

2006-01-09 01:21:23 am

dinosaur from the past

IMW: Your Jaws run was like, around the 50th or so most downloaded run last month.

trihex

2006-01-09 03:09:37 am

Yoshi's eggs are at my mercy!

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IMW: Your Jaws run was like, around the 50th or so most downloaded run last month.

Where do you find information like that? (Is there some sort of big table?)Other than comparing dates and amounts of downloads on Archive.org?

Yoshi348

2006-01-09 03:52:09 am

dinosaur from the past

Just happened to be in IRC when Nate was going over it with others. I wouldn't go bugging him over it however.

nate

2006-01-09 04:01:02 am

note that that information has no basis in reality and could be entirely false.

spineshark

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spineshark: 2006-01-09 04:27:24 am

2006-01-09 04:25:38 am

新世紀進歩的羽扇子音楽

Aww, nate, it's gotta be true! It's Jaws! The game that made the movie famous!

No, wait, that was ET.

_{yes, an atari exec was quoted as saying that "E.T." would make the movie famous}

Seriously, only three people have posted in the FE9 thread...but I hope you all will watch my run...

it'll make more sense than the Morrowind run!

Pweisger

2006-01-09 06:32:51 am

PwNzRd!

You know, it seems to me no one really cares about the Heroes of Might and Magic 3 Impossible runs me and my friend are doing, but we do them anyway, regardless. I only say that because the files on FileFront say I have only had about 30 downloads for each map since I posted them like a month ago. But we will continue to run them and hopefully develop a database. I don't really care for Postal 2, but I am running it anyway because a few people asked and I know I can do it.

slYnki

2006-01-09 06:49:43 am

XXY

I'll make you people care when I release my stuff @_@;

Enhasa

2006-01-09 07:45:29 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Quote:

You know, lot of people seem to lose interest in running and dedicating theirselves to some game just because nobody seems to care or they give undeserved negative feedback. Come on, is it that hard to encourage somebody to finish a run for good if they have started, even if you don't know the game or it isn't an "AAA" rated FPS/RPG... We do want more nice runs on the site, don't we? Really a lot of people download the demos in the end, but how can a runner be sure that he isn't just wasting his time in the process? Let them know, give more feedback, be more active in commenting and giving tips in something else than Half Life and Quake... Hope this made sense.

I see what you're saying, and it's mostly harmless, but some of the things you and InsipidMuckyWater say bug me out a little bit. It's "be nice," not "be fake." It's pretty hard to say something worthwhile when you haven't played the game. Most of the game threads I post in are on the small side, but that's fine and cuts down on the fluff. I'd rather have those kinds of threads than more like the 50 page Zelda ones where you'd have to check on it all the time and then when you want to find something it'd be really difficult. So the "almost randomly" posting comments for little known runs would be useless, almost condescending.

You're both suggesting too that more posts in a thread implies a better game ("isn't an AAA rated", "somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII"). Do you guys also think, say, that the FAQ with the largest filesize on GameFAQs is the best one, the one you should first click on? How about a vote of irrelevant from me?

Finally, why should we go out of our way to "save" runs from going unfinished? I know for example that when I'm running, I'm doing it for myself and not prestige or whatever, and I honestly wouldn't give a crap if I was posting in a thread all by myself. If someone doesn't have much conviction in doing a run and can be influenced by negative feedback, it probably wasn't going to be a good run in the first place. After all, it's feedback. The original poster posted in order to gauge interest, and if there is none, why should we be faking it? That wouldn't be very accurate feedback.

If any of this sounds harsh, I don't mean for it to be. Of course, you can do whatever you want, and I'm sure many people would appreciate what you are doing.

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Well, it's hard to be excited about a game that I've never heard of. Loom? Terranigma? What the hell are those games?

Man, while I agree with everything you say in your post, you sure picked some really unfortunate examples, at least for me. If you replaced Loom and Terranigma with say, Myst and Secret of Mana, it would have had the exact same effect on me as far as recognition. I mean, we're talking about LucasArts and (Square) Enix... not exactly obscure companies, and these games in question are easily on the more well-known side of all their games.

[quote]You know, lot of people seem to lose interest in running and dedicating theirselves to some game just because nobody seems to care or they give undeserved negative feedback. Come on, is it that hard to encourage somebody to finish a run for good if they have started, even if you don't know the game or it isn't an "AAA" rated FPS/RPG... We do want more nice runs on the site, don't we? Really a lot of people download the demos in the end, but how can a runner be sure that he isn't just wasting his time in the process? Let them know, give more feedback, be more active in commenting and giving tips in something else than Half Life and Quake... Hope this made sense.[/quote]
I see what you're saying, and it's mostly harmless, but some of the things you and InsipidMuckyWater say bug me out a little bit. It's "be nice," not "be fake." It's pretty hard to say something worthwhile when you haven't played the game. Most of the game threads I post in are on the small side, but that's fine and cuts down on the fluff. I'd rather have those kinds of threads than more like the 50 page Zelda ones where you'd have to check on it all the time and then when you want to find something it'd be really difficult. So the "almost randomly" posting comments for little known runs would be useless, almost condescending.

You're both suggesting too that more posts in a thread implies a better game ("isn't an AAA rated", "somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII"). Do you guys also think, say, that the FAQ with the largest filesize on GameFAQs is the best one, the one you should first click on? How about a vote of irrelevant from me?

Finally, why should we go out of our way to "save" runs from going unfinished? I know for example that when I'm running, I'm doing it for myself and not prestige or whatever, and I honestly wouldn't give a crap if I was posting in a thread all by myself. If someone doesn't have much conviction in doing a run and can be influenced by negative feedback, it probably wasn't going to be a good run in the first place. After all, it's feedback. The original poster posted in order to gauge interest, and if there is none, why should we be faking it? That wouldn't be very accurate feedback.

If any of this sounds harsh, I don't mean for it to be. Of course, you can do whatever you want, and I'm sure many people would appreciate what you are doing.

[quote]Well, it's hard to be excited about a game that I've never heard of.  Loom?  Terranigma?  What the hell are those games?[/quote]
Man, while I agree with everything you say in your post, you sure picked some really unfortunate examples, at least for me. If you replaced Loom and Terranigma with say, Myst and Secret of Mana, it would have had the exact same effect on me as far as recognition. I mean, we're talking about LucasArts and (Square) Enix... not exactly obscure companies, and these games in question are easily on the more well-known side of all their games.

Psychochild

2006-01-09 08:44:43 am

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Man, while I agree with everything you say in your post, you sure picked some really unfortunate examples, at least for me. If you replaced Loom and Terranigma with say, Myst and Secret of Mana, it would have had the exact same effect on me as far as recognition. I mean, we're talking about LucasArts and (Square) Enix... not exactly obscure companies, and these games in question are easily on the more well-known side of all their games.

Well, I just breezed the Old and PC game forums looking for games I couldn't identify when I made that post to prove my own point. People are not going to fake enthusiasm for a project they don't care about or never heard of and no one should be expected to. That's all I'm saying.

Enhasa

2006-01-09 09:50:01 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

I guess it was just some kind of a coincidence then, because it feels like I don't even recognize half of the PC games almost, and some of the older and newer console games. I'm sure I might have come up with examples that maybe you would be all astonished at me not knowing. I think the best examples would come from "runs needing verification." Trespasser? Heavy Metal FAKK 2? I bet whoever did that last run didn't even know their own game that they were running. Wink

Psychochild

2006-01-09 05:27:42 pm

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I guess it was just some kind of a coincidence then, because it feels like I don't even recognize half of the PC games almost, and some of the older and newer console games. I'm sure I might have come up with examples that maybe you would be all astonished at me not knowing. I think the best examples would come from "runs needing verification." Trespasser? Heavy Metal FAKK 2? I bet whoever did that last run didn't even know their own game that they were running. Wink

Definitely an obscure one, Trespasser, but I got experience with the game.

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-01-10 07:13:44 am

2006-01-10 06:52:43 am

Visit my profile to see my runs!

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I see what you're saying, and it's mostly harmless, but some of the things you and InsipidMuckyWater say bug me out a little bit. It's "be nice," not "be fake." It's pretty hard to say something worthwhile when you haven't played the game. Most of the game threads I post in are on the small side, but that's fine and cuts down on the fluff. I'd rather have those kinds of threads than more like the 50 page Zelda ones where you'd have to check on it all the time and then when you want to find something it'd be really difficult. So the "almost randomly" posting comments for little known runs would be useless, almost condescending.

You're both suggesting too that more posts in a thread implies a better game ("isn't an AAA rated", "somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII"). Do you guys also think, say, that the FAQ with the largest filesize on GameFAQs is the best one, the one you should first click on? How about a vote of irrelevant from me?

Finally, why should we go out of our way to "save" runs from going unfinished? I know for example that when I'm running, I'm doing it for myself and not prestige or whatever, and I honestly wouldn't give a crap if I was posting in a thread all by myself. If someone doesn't have much conviction in doing a run and can be influenced by negative feedback, it probably wasn't going to be a good run in the first place. After all, it's feedback. The original poster posted in order to gauge interest, and if there is none, why should we be faking it? That wouldn't be very accurate feedback.

If any of this sounds harsh, I don't mean for it to be. Of course, you can do whatever you want, and I'm sure many people would appreciate what you are doing.

Man, while I agree with everything you say in your post, you sure picked some really unfortunate examples, at least for me. If you replaced Loom and Terranigma with say, Myst and Secret of Mana, it would have had the exact same effect on me as far as recognition. I mean, we're talking about LucasArts and (Square) Enix... not exactly obscure companies, and these games in question are easily on the more well-known side of all their games.

Well, you know, I did say this:

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Honestly, though, you can't blame the general populace for neglecting certain threads/games. Granted, there are countless, frivolous remarks made about your typical Zelda game while solemn run X, for the 3D0, might garner little to none, but genuine interest is impossible to fabricate from nothing. Also, since most have had little to no experience with said title, they can't be expected to conjure any pearls of wisdom. Beyond that, most cases that involve somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII. Finally, those that reply to posts about Quake, for instance, are probably also interested in Unreal or even Half-Life runs as they are most likely to favor FPS's.

When I said "randomly if need be," I was mostly joking.

Well, what you said was fine, and all, but I'm not going to pretend that I would still be doing speedruns in the absence of this website; if nothing else, my output would dramatically dwindle were SDA a figment of my imagination. The website, for other people, might also provide an arena for competition or recognition, so I don't believe it would be fair or reasonable to assess, even if your only claiming that it's just your own opinion, that a fairly representative number of people regularly attending this site share your sentiments about running for one's own utility. Were that the case, why would anyone display their runs on a public forum, such as this website, at all? Were they truly running games, entirely for their own entertainment purposes, then the site wouldn't exist. I know, I know; there are plenty of people who will claim that they speedrun for the fun of it, and I don't deny it. However, I'm sure many fewer would be doing it, and they probably would not be producing as much as they are now, without the [interpretatively] rewarding 'archive. [For some reason, I foresee being lynched for this paragraph. I'm not proposing that runners only perform speedruns for the sake of posting it on SDA, but SOMETHING would be different, I wager, about the speedrunning community if SDA did not exist. I think it's fair to assume that most everyone reaps some sort of pleasure/use out of SDA, and if not, you can be the first to tell that to Radix.]

Finally, I never advocated "false enthusiasm." If you are not at all excited or mildly interested in one's run, please DO NOT pretend that you are. In my selected passage, I was referring only to those who, like myself, are generally entertained by all speedruns. I find genuine amusement in viewing a speedrun, particularly of those games currently foreign to my own experience, and I should therefore encourage others. "Oh, you're running Mr. Jump-Logs? Well, I've never heard of the game, but I bet I'll be a-downloadin' its video once it has been completed, so why don't I cheer you on??"

Also, I never endorsed commenting with frivolous or blatantly unhelpful remarks. If you've never played the title, then pass over the thread and find another, or try to at least be supportive. For that matter, I never suggested that more posts equivocates to better game/speedrun. When I called FFVII more epic than your typical obscure game, I was mostly correct. If you look, most "obscure" titles [that have speed demos] are games from a past generation [where your average game is substantially shorter *Jaws*], or they are little known titles that were not given adequate development funds or labor [*Jaws*]. Granted, there are plenty of exceptions to these assertions, but I believe you can see my point. As well, the immense popularity of certain titles, such as FFVII, give the games an almost inherent profundity, and I believe that this adds to their attraction.

And yeah, I know all about posting in otherwise empty forums... I do not desire for a myriad of posters to flood my topic with generic and fake comments. If, however, you know anything at all about the game, franchise, runner, or his need for inspiration, why not contribute something if you can?

I'm sorry if I sounded overly aggressive in my retort or if I was ranting; I just tend to excessively elaborate when I post, sometimes. I also apologize if I am being overly critical.

[quote]
I see what you're saying, and it's mostly harmless, but some of the things you and InsipidMuckyWater say bug me out a little bit. It's "be nice," not "be fake." It's pretty hard to say something worthwhile when you haven't played the game. Most of the game threads I post in are on the small side, but that's fine and cuts down on the fluff. I'd rather have those kinds of threads than more like the 50 page Zelda ones where you'd have to check on it all the time and then when you want to find something it'd be really difficult. So the "almost randomly" posting comments for little known runs would be useless, almost condescending.

You're both suggesting too that more posts in a thread implies a better game ("isn't an AAA rated", "somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII"). Do you guys also think, say, that the FAQ with the largest filesize on GameFAQs is the best one, the one you should first click on? How about a vote of irrelevant from me?

Finally, why should we go out of our way to "save" runs from going unfinished? I know for example that when I'm running, I'm doing it for myself and not prestige or whatever, and I honestly wouldn't give a crap if I was posting in a thread all by myself. If someone doesn't have much conviction in doing a run and can be influenced by negative feedback, it probably wasn't going to be a good run in the first place. After all, it's feedback. The original poster posted in order to gauge interest, and if there is none, why should we be faking it? That wouldn't be very accurate feedback.

If any of this sounds harsh, I don't mean for it to be. Of course, you can do whatever you want, and I'm sure many people would appreciate what you are doing.

Man, while I agree with everything you say in your post, you sure picked some really unfortunate examples, at least for me. If you replaced Loom and Terranigma with say, Myst and Secret of Mana, it would have had the exact same effect on me as far as recognition. I mean, we're talking about LucasArts and (Square) Enix... not exactly obscure companies, and these games in question are easily on the more well-known side of all their games.[/quote]

Well, you know, I did say [i]this[/i]: 
[quote] Honestly, though, you can't blame the general populace for neglecting certain threads/games.  Granted, there are countless, frivolous remarks made about your typical Zelda game while solemn run X, for the 3D0, might garner little to none, but genuine interest is impossible to fabricate from nothing.  Also, since most have had little to no experience with said title, they can't be expected to conjure any pearls of wisdom. Beyond that, most cases that involve somewhat obscure games are often less difficult or impressive than those that might be more epic, such as, say, Final Fantasy VII.  Finally, those that reply to posts about Quake, for instance, are probably also interested in Unreal or even Half-Life runs as they are most likely to favor FPS's. [/quote]

When I said "randomly if need be," I was mostly joking.

Well, what you said was fine, and all, but I'm not going to pretend that I would still be doing speedruns in the absence of this website; if nothing else, my output would dramatically dwindle were SDA a figment of my imagination.  The website, for other people, might also provide an arena for competition or recognition, so I don't believe it would be fair or reasonable to assess, even if your only claiming that it's just your own opinion, that a fairly representative number of people regularly attending this site share your sentiments about running for one's own utility.  Were that the case, why would anyone display their runs on a public forum, such as this website, at all?  Were they truly running games, [i]entirely for their own entertainment purposes[/i], then the site wouldn't exist.  I know, I know; there are [i]plenty[/i] of people who will claim that they speedrun for the fun of it, and I don't deny it.  However, I'm sure many fewer would be doing it, and they probably would not be producing as much as they are now, without the [interpretatively] rewarding 'archive.  [For some reason, I foresee being lynched for this paragraph.  I'm not proposing that runners only perform speedruns for the sake of posting it on SDA, but SOMETHING would be different, I wager, about the speedrunning community if SDA did not exist.  I think it's fair to assume that most everyone reaps some sort of pleasure/use out of SDA, and if not, you can be the first to tell that to Radix.]

Finally, I never advocated "false enthusiasm."  If you are not at all excited or mildly interested in one's run, [i]please DO NOT[/i] pretend that you are.  In my selected passage, I was referring only to those who, like myself, are generally entertained by all speedruns.  I find genuine amusement in viewing a speedrun, particularly of those games currently foreign to my own experience, and I should therefore encourage others.  "Oh, you're running Mr. Jump-Logs?  Well, I've never heard of the game, but I bet I'll be a-downloadin' its video once it has been completed, so why don't I cheer you on??"

Also, I never endorsed commenting with frivolous or blatantly unhelpful remarks.  If you've never played the title, then pass over the thread and find another, [i]or[/i] try to at least be supportive.  For that matter, I [b]never[/b] suggested that more posts equivocates to better game/speedrun.  When I called FFVII more epic than your typical [i]obscure[/i] game, I was mostly correct.  If you look, most "obscure" titles [that have speed demos] are games from a past generation [where your average game is substantially shorter *Jaws*], or they are little known titles that were not given adequate development funds or labor [*Jaws*].   Granted, there are plenty of exceptions to these assertions, but I believe you can see my point.  As well, the immense popularity of certain titles, such as FFVII, give the games an almost inherent profundity, and I believe that this adds to their attraction.

And yeah, I know all about posting in otherwise empty forums... I do not desire for a myriad of posters to flood my topic with generic and fake comments.  If, however, you know anything at all about the game, franchise, runner, or his need for inspiration, why not contribute something [i]if you can[/i]?

I'm sorry if I sounded overly aggressive in my retort or if I was ranting; I just tend to excessively elaborate when I post, sometimes.  I also apologize if I am being overly critical.

Pweisger

2006-01-10 07:06:44 am

PwNzRd!

I don't remember saying that the length of a forum shows how popular a game is. I understand where the mix up might be when I say that my Heroes of Might and Magic 3 runs don't get many downloads, but the game itself is massively popular and embraced as one of the best in the series is my understanding. Postal 2, on the other hand, is barely noticeable and yet I have over 150 downloads of the Monday level.

InsipidMuckyWater

2006-01-10 07:09:18 am

Visit my profile to see my runs!

Oh sorry, Pweisger. I was referring to Enhasa.

Psychochild

2006-01-10 01:18:30 pm

Quote:

I don't remember saying that the length of a forum shows how popular a game is. I understand where the mix up might be when I say that my Heroes of Might and Magic 3 runs don't get many downloads, but the game itself is massively popular and embraced as one of the best in the series is my understanding. Postal 2, on the other hand, is barely noticeable and yet I have over 150 downloads of the Monday level.

Well, it is a well known game for the sheer amount of violence, for how un-PC it is, and for Gary Coleman, so naturally the run will produce some interest on its own to casual viewers who've only heard about the series.