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SPEEDruns not SAFEruns
Thanks Sumi!
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kirkq: 2015-11-23 09:23:35 pm
Die Hard 2013.
Concerns are often abstract and people tend to not be able to pinpoint the issues enough to actually voice the concern in a wholly constructive manner, so you have to dig through the perceptively hostile words and try to figure out what they're actually concerned about.  Some small percentage of people will always be intentionally hostile and nothing will change that.  The large majority just have some concerns they don't know how to express concisely, and the sum of how you handle those generally valid concerns has an effect on the perception of the community at large.

Going back right after a marathon handling all the feedback and acting on the important parts while planning the next marathon is far from easy.  Keeping a floating budget so you have money in case you need it is an operational necessity.  Staff getting paid for their time will always be controversial to some.  Dealing with runners being salty because 80-90% of submitted games have to be rejected due to a finite amount of time in a marathon is a pain.  Needless to say, I don't envy your position.

Quote from Cool Matty:
7 runners were cut for the cutoff. The information was provided to runners in the following ways:


If staff wanted to get in contact with a small number of speedrunners who were about to miss a deadline that made life inconvenient for event planning purposes, there are two popular websites with contact mechanisms that you would probably find 99% of speedrunners on.  Yes the runners missed a shifting deadline, and in my opinion staff was reasonably negligent about going through sensible means of notifying a trivially small number of people.  The vaguely stated concern by the community is that due diligence wasn't done by staff to contact people.  "Why didn't you check your e-mail?" - "Why didn't someone on staff tweet at me?"  It's so trivial.  It's reminiscent of the fees companies get you with when you pay your bills late.  The general perception is that staff wasn't concerned about some runners not making the schedule due to a functionally pointless detail in registering.  Is that perception a valid concern?

Just as a data point, I personally check my e-mail like once a month.  I almost never get anything useful.  Most people don't check gamesdonequick except if they want to refresh submissions or register.  (For context clarification, I did not submit runs this GDQ.)

Quote from Duke Bilgewater:
the staff list in the AGDQ 2016 directory thread is a good start, but saying things like "on behalf of Mike Uyama and the Games Committee" is intentionally vague


This one is maybe a bit more nuanced.  Public facing staff are shielding non-public facing members from having to deal with the headache of PR.  I don't know if there is a better way to do it, but most people don't really want constant Twitter backlash in their lives.  A few people get stuck with it, enabling other people to do their jobs better.  Apparently the cited statement was never updated to not include Mike.  This is probably because the information is so asynchronously listed in various places, that staff doesn't actively see that it's out of date.  It was intended to be correct at one point in time.  Gamesdonequick doesn't have a forum for feedback, and SDA does, so it's somewhat of a technical limitation.  There are probably better ways to organize this information.  I think the concern is valid, but the cited example may not be the most practical to act on.  I have no idea what a half-decent way to handle games selection is, but there's at least a tangible reason it's abstract for right now.

Constructive thought: If the general perception of locking threads is that it shoots down discussion, another way should probably be found to handle these threads.  It might be useful to make a new forum for community created threads and archived old marathon threads.  Maybe threads here can only be made by staff.  This forum is cluttered.  It's also hard to find pertinent information when it is sometimes on the 4th page of a forum thread.

I trust that staff has been doing fine organizing the behind-the-scenes of the event, and at the end of the day, logistics are usually pretty good.  The submissions and registration timeline has been late, which does come at the expense of some attendee's flights.  Handling community concerns and feedback has been rough, and it is a recurring issue.  It's a small portion of what you do, but it's all people will see until the event starts.

An event organizer, a PR manager, and a tech person have very different skillsets, and for people participating in PR or public interaction on behalf of the group, the connotation of responses in handling criticisms and the perceptions given are everything.
Thank you, kirkq.
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VeritasDL: 2015-11-24 02:39:53 pm
Fraudulent World Records
if we (gdq) continue to have issues with things like PR etc why dont we (gdq) hire qualified people? or give more qualitfied people the proverbial reigns so to speak.
Literally speaking... literally...
So who exactly is in charge for SGDQ2016? I thought romscout was, or did I miss a change there? Sounds like Matty is taking over now for both events (and being the spokesperson).
Totally Radical Awesome Game
SGDQ was too good, so in an attempt to regain status quo Romscout was fired.
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So who exactly is in charge for SGDQ2016? I thought romscout was, or did I miss a change there? Sounds like Matty is taking over now for both events (and being the spokesperson).

Yeah, I was wondering that too, considering twitter seems to be heavily implying Romscout was fired from his GDQ duties.
If this is the case, the community deserves to know what happened, as Romscout has been a major part of GDQs for a long, long time.
don't worry, they'll have that discussion at a later date, when it's deemed appropriate by the discussion committee.
Crawlathon WR, get down on my level.
Romscout's no longer with GDQ, but he is not banned or anything. For the time being I'm running the events until Mike is back in action. Once he's back, then he'll decide who he wants running the summer events going forward.
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VeritasDL: 2015-11-25 11:27:04 am
Fraudulent World Records
It'd be awesome to know why theres only 2 mic setups this year. while at agdq there was more than 5, theres money in the budget to buy more yet still limited to 2
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ONOGMuffins: 2015-11-25 03:02:19 pm
Quote from VeritasDL:
It'd be awesome to know why theres only 2 mic setups this year. while at agdq there was more than 5, theres money in the budget to buy more yet still limited to 2


We can only mic two runners at once, the same as it was at SGDQ. This is limited by tech requirements to send the runners individual game feed back to them for game play. We can still have the usual 1 runner + 3 couch with the headsets as the couch does not need to have the individual game noises separated. The only time we had five was when we allowed the handheld to be used, which still resulted in some feedback and banging.
Fraudulent World Records
Quote from ONOGMuffins:
Quote from VeritasDL:
It'd be awesome to know why theres only 2 mic setups this year. while at agdq there was more than 5, theres money in the budget to buy more yet still limited to 2


We can only mic two runners at once, the same as it was at SGDQ. This is limited by tech requirements to send the runners individual game feed back to them for game play. We can still have the usual 1 runner + 3 couch with the headsets as the couch does not need to have the individual game noises separated. The only time we had five was when we allowed the handheld to be used, which still resulted in some feedback and banging.

so you could mic more than 2, just without game sound?
Quote from VeritasDL:
Quote from ONOGMuffins:
Quote from VeritasDL:
It'd be awesome to know why theres only 2 mic setups this year. while at agdq there was more than 5, theres money in the budget to buy more yet still limited to 2


We can only mic two runners at once, the same as it was at SGDQ. This is limited by tech requirements to send the runners individual game feed back to them for game play. We can still have the usual 1 runner + 3 couch with the headsets as the couch does not need to have the individual game noises separated. The only time we had five was when we allowed the handheld to be used, which still resulted in some feedback and banging.

so you could mic more than 2, just without game sound?


Worse, with random game sound. So they would have the audio cues from whichever screen has the audio being pulled at the time.
Crawlathon WR, get down on my level.
In addition, it was a common complaint during the stream in the past when more runners attempted to talk. Since the racers have no idea where eachother are, they tend to talk over eachother, and make for extremely confusing commentary. Coordinated 2-way races are bearable, but larger races need separate commentary to be effective and understandable to the people watching. There's also issues where it becomes very hard to tell which runner is talking (bad, when they're talking about their particular run).
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z1mb0bw4y: 2015-11-26 02:57:58 am
Gets the cake.
Honestly I think the headset and audio arrangement is the absolute last thing I would change about the GDQ events right now. The headsets and mics from SGDQ were comfortable and sounded great.
twitch.tv/pxmacaiah
So why isn't this thread currently stickied? If this is a serious apology, why does it look like it's trying to be swept under the agdq board games threads?
Crawlathon WR, get down on my level.
Quote from PX_:
So why isn't this thread currently stickied? If this is a serious apology, why does it look like it's trying to be swept under the agdq board games threads?


I stickied it for as long as it was still getting some responses. It's already been up there for a while.
aka forte27
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Threads being locked


In my view, there were two different types of threads being discussed here.  First, there were the "sub revenue" threads.  If I recall correctly, those threads were answered definitively, and they were locked before allowing them to become toxic, which to me is an appropriate use of thread locking.

However, the discussion of locations for SGDQ did not need to be locked.  Saying "we'll have that discussion later" should be unnecessary, because GDQ staff doesn't need to be constantly involved in the thread.  To me, there just needs to be one post from a GDQ staff member that says "we can't do anything about SGDQ 2016, but we'll pay attention to what gets said here for the future."

In case you didn't notice here, there are people who are interested in continuing a civil discussion.  Forum mods can address individual situations getting out of control, but GDQ staff shouldn't need to get involved, unless they feel like adding small notes to the official discussion. 

As a side note, to keep everyone clear in discussion threads, could the GDQ staff use profile flairs showing that they're staff members?  That way, people could easily filter out official statements from unofficial discussion.

Quote from kirkq:
An event organizer, a PR manager, and a tech person have very different skillsets, and for people participating in PR or public interaction on behalf of the group, the connotation of responses in handling criticisms and the perceptions given are everything.


Even if we don't hire someone completely new, it might be prudent to assign a staff member specifically to PR.  Clearly PR is an issue, and having someone looking over your shoulder might be wise.
HELLO!
The SDA forums really need an appropriate subforum for GDQ discussion that isn't moderated by GDQ staff, honestly.  Then the GDQ staff can keep their subforum tidy while discussion about a hot speedrunning topic can continue in what has been a leading speedrun forum.
Dapper as fuck.
Quote from bassdeluxe27:
As a side note, to keep everyone clear in discussion threads, could the GDQ staff use profile flairs showing that they're staff members?  That way, people could easily filter out official statements from unofficial discussion.


Their user names are in a light blue color as long as they are not also SDA forum admins like Cool Matty is.
Color blind here.  Just saying.

I also think the GDQ sub-forum just needs to be it's own entire forum (possibly tied to the GDQ website?).  I love SDA, and I enjoy browsing the forum even if I don't do it much, but GDQ has become so much of it's own entity it needs to have a forum with it's own site, moderators, etc., simply for the sake of streamlining.
Dapper as fuck.
Quote from NiL8r:
Color blind here.  Just saying.


You can't see blues?  Super rare I hear.  But valid nonetheless.  Maybe a flair or something would be helpful then.

Quote from NiL8r:
I also think the GDQ sub-forum just needs to be it's own entire forum (possibly tied to the GDQ website?).  I love SDA, and I enjoy browsing the forum even if I don't do it much, but GDQ has become so much of it's own entity it needs to have a forum with it's own site, moderators, etc., simply for the sake of streamlining.


I would agree with this, as I also browse this site quite a lot, but having 1 place to go for all info (gdq.com) would make more sense honestly and help to avoid confusion.
HELLO!
A separate GDQ forum would also solve the issue of being able to discuss GDQ here.
It would also deal with things like bans from the SDA forums for unrelated things causing conflict with GDQ stuff.