Xenosaga II

2006-02-06 04:32:08 pm

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

I have been thinking would it be possible to get this game under 7h? Xenosaga was beaten in 3.43 so this might not be impossible. The only problems with this game would be to choose where to power level and wich chars to power level. Or do you have to power level at all because the bosses are quite easy. If you think it would be possible and someone would watch it I might do some researching about this matter.

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rudyxx

2006-02-06 05:20:01 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

i think you can come pretty close, the only people you really need to level are Kosmos, Ziggy, and Momo. I think the only problem in the game is surviving Orgulla. Other than that, with Quick and Attacker, the game is super easied.

Varilion

2006-02-07 03:33:12 am

Speedruns 4-ever...

Is their any Xenosaga 1 speedrun out there somewhere????

Know if any other site has it???

InsipidMuckyWater

2006-02-07 07:09:46 am

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I honestly can't remember where I observed it, but a six-hour run was "documented" on some obscure site; the video is really a highlight reel, though.

When I played this game, I was always having trouble rotating between Momo and Junior. Though, your selection seems quite potent for a speedrun.

Sir VG

2006-02-07 07:34:01 am

Fucking Weeaboo

Go play the Jap version. At least the big glitch was left in.

InsipidMuckyWater

2006-02-07 02:56:39 pm

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Oh, one other thing. Do you think that switching Ziggy for Jin might prove more effective? I only ask, as Ziggy is unable to contribute to a high-combo [IIRC], and I remember quite a few bosses that were pushovers due to Kosmos, Jin, and Shion/Momo/Junior racking up the numbers in such.

Nikuvilin

2006-02-07 03:01:44 pm

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

I think I will use replace Ziggy with Jin when I get the chance. I just did some testing and some of the bosses can be killed in 1 combo. KOS-MOS does some pretty amazing damaga on her final circle combo.

Sir VG

2006-02-07 03:57:07 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

You want to see what Jin/KOS-MOS/MOMO can do for a trio, find the boss battle video (GameFAQs Xenosaga II video guide) of them vs. Margulis. I think the Japanese version was better than the US version, but damn they p0wn3d him badly.

rudyxx

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rudyxx: 2006-02-07 06:46:54 pm

2006-02-07 05:55:01 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

i think there are 2 bosses where you need to switch ziggy for jin and 1 where you need to switch ziggy with jr. I think it's the margulus battle where you switch in jr. You can kill him in 1-2 combos that way. i forgot which ones you switch in jin. it's been awhile.

Edit: one of the bosses is the patriarch, cause he halves fire damage. hurray~ you could use jr or jin there depending on who you like more i guess.

Nikuvilin

2006-02-07 08:04:17 pm

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

Jin is better because then I wont have to switch chars as often. I will play trough the game once adn then I will try to do it as fast as I can. I will post the time then.

rudyxx

2006-02-07 10:51:06 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

reason why i choose ziggy over jin is because his fire attacks add up more damage over a combo than jin. however, towards the end of the game, having aura sword on jin and kos mos causes them to do around 15-20k in a full combo. Also either chaos or ziggy is needed for the cathedral battle. so having built up enough points for ziggy to have the skills needed to survive that battle is very helpful.

Nikuvilin

2006-02-11 08:17:09 am

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

What do you guys think about Orgulla? I figured I should use KOS-MOS, MOMO and Ziggy. Ziggy over Jin because Orgulla takes more damage when she is downed. If you got any strategies for a ny character please tell me.

InsipidMuckyWater

2006-02-11 08:35:45 am

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Definitely Ziggy for Orgulla, although I can't remember why I chose Shion instead of Momo for said battle [or at least, I think I did]...

Nikuvilin

2006-02-11 09:16:46 am

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

I´ll try to see if Shion does more damage. Maybe elemental weakness?

rudyxx

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rudyxx: 2006-02-11 04:11:16 pm

2006-02-11 04:08:04 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

I've got a Save on the JP version right before her if you want me to see who does more damage real quick. Otherwise wouldn't want to ruin your testing :>

Edit: Also like i said before, need to use ziggy as much as possible for as many skill points as possible for having various things to survive the cathedral battle. Also I forgot how you get it but I highly suggest getting Focus. I think it comes from one of the mission thingies (i can't for the life of me remember what they are called and I'm too lazy to go look it up.)

Nikuvilin

2006-02-12 07:55:25 am

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

After playing for a while again I have come to the conclusion that the best team for a speedrun would be KOS-MOS, MOMO and Ziggy. I would occasionally use other chars but those are the best bet. In the last few places I might change for Jin to deal good damage with Aura Sword.

rudyxx

2006-02-12 05:16:22 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

You can do about 20k damage from a full combo using jin/kosmos/momo on that priest guy at the end with the amount of x(number) you get from everyone having aura sword. Should be a quick and easy if you time it out so that kosmos goes on the Crt turn then right after you have Momo unleash on the boost turn, then jin, then back and forth between jin and kosmos, have jin or kosmos stock 2 turns before the boost again then have them use 2 attacks on the boost turn and you should get the boost to maybe 2 or 3 if you are super lucky. Also maybe for the cathedral fight you could occasionally switch in chaos for momo and aurasword him and kosmos, as I belive he does a little bit more down damage than momo does. I can't exactly remember though. I might have had been using him cause momo got selected for that mirror thing.

Nikuvilin

2006-02-18 11:36:10 am

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

Stupid Question: What is the best way to deal damage to the enemies inside Labyrinthos? I have trouble dealing decent damage to them.

I´m torn between using Jin or Ziggy. Ziggy can deal amazing damage with his down attack to some enemies but Jin is more of an allaround fighter. He deals OK damage to any enemy like KOS-MOS.

rudyxx

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rudyxx: 2006-02-18 05:20:29 pm

2006-02-18 05:19:03 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

one of the guides on gamefaqs.com has a listing of who does the best damage against certain enemies. I'm pretty sure I remember having to use someone random there but it might have just been jin instead of ziggy. But you should be able to come up with a good idea of who to use and when based off the guide. I think it's the one that kouli had something to do with but it's been a long time since I tried running that game. but you might also check out the other guides as one of them tells some pretty cheap ways to kill things with the mechs.

Nikuvilin

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Nikuvilin: 2006-02-18 06:28:42 pm

2006-02-18 06:28:16 pm

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

OK, thanks for the tip. I hate it when my attacks deal only 200-600 damage to the enemies in Ormus Stronghold and Labyrinthos when normally they deal about 500-1200.

Saestrol

2006-03-01 06:33:50 pm

Speed Running Joy-bringer

I've seen some of those boos fights and those were impressive. Skipping all the cutscenes definately makes this in the limit.

Are you going to be riding off the beginning of the game with all the bonus skill points from the previous game saved data? (Actually I think that's a given. I don't know what the default is)

Sir VG

2006-03-01 07:01:04 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

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Are you going to be riding off the beginning of the game with all the bonus skill points from the previous game saved data? (Actually I think that's a given. I don't know what the default is)

I thought that would be against the rules, given it's a bonus caused by save data.

Saestrol

2006-03-01 08:14:32 pm

Speed Running Joy-bringer

Oh right... well then in that case, it might be a bit difficult getting the elemental sword ether skills earlier on.

Nikuvilin

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Nikuvilin: 2006-03-02 06:11:43 pm

2006-03-02 06:11:33 pm

DMC3,ZOE2 and Xenosaga 2.  Am I crazy?

Actually it isn´t. I just need them for a few chars and the other can use their points for Media 2. I just can´t decide my party. KOS-MOS,MOMO and Ziggy seems good but Jin is beter than Ziggy in many of the later fights.

I CAN`T DECIDE!

I just hate the boss you have to fight in Omegal. He counters every move with a stupid laser attack so I have to be constantly healing.

Saestrol

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Saestrol: 2006-03-12 11:32:50 pm

2006-03-12 04:24:23 am

Speed Running Joy-bringer

You mean, "Medica 2", right? Heh...

I haven't played through this entire game yet (but I basically read most of the story), And I have to say that exposing weaknesses on the critical event slot really, REALLY helps. ESPECIALLY on the mech bosses. Getting a Hi-Critical with one of your best attacks could nail in over 8,000 damage in a single turn (which can probably make a few of the boss fights half as long).

Orgella... well if she doesn't reach her Manes form, you may be able to knock her out. If she switches though... well yeha owns (considering the levels here, coming at 20-ish would be VERY difficult). Plus she combo boosts rights when her turn starts a lot so you basically get 100% combo'd.

The 'Focus 10' (recover 10% of ether points on stock command) ability comes from the segment door where someone is standing right beside it; the one that gives you the segment file. It's barely out of the way (i.e. 36 seconds), so I'd get it if you can afford to earlier on (600 S.Pts here).

You mean, "Medica  2",  right? Heh...

I haven't played through this entire game yet (but I basically read most of the story), And I have to say that exposing weaknesses on the critical event slot really, REALLY helps. ESPECIALLY on the mech bosses. Getting a Hi-Critical with one of your best attacks could nail in over 8,000 damage in a single turn (which can probably make a few of the  boss fights half as long).

Orgella... well if she doesn't reach her Manes form, you may be able to knock her out. If she switches though... well yeha owns (considering the levels here, coming at 20-ish would be VERY difficult). Plus she combo boosts rights when her turn starts a lot so you basically get 100% combo'd.

The 'Focus 10' (recover 10% of ether points on stock command) ability comes from the segment door where someone is standing right beside it; the one that gives you the segment file. It's barely out of the way (i.e. 36 seconds), so I'd get it if you can afford to earlier on (600 S.Pts here).