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I made a 56:10 http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/3355864

A sub 55 is possible with this route.

I also made a 3 heart challenge single segment in 59:30 on japanese version http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/3337150
I made a new PB and WR in 55m33 :

Played on pal 60 Hz megadrive

A sub 55 is still possible but hardest with a Genesis/Megadrive gamepad.
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Stonhedge: 2014-04-18 08:12:36 am
New PB 54m22s http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/4019030



A sub 54 is possible with a good rng and some skills Roll Eyes
Wow, you play very well!

I can't see anything to improve significantly except the overall precision and then some luck.

Well, maybe these minor details can help save a few seconds:

- Avoid unnecessary jumping, because it slows you down (very slightly). It is almost unnoticeable, but can be easily seen with RAM-watching tools within an emulator. IIRC Each jump costs 1/16 of a pixel, so you lose one pixel every 16 jumps or something like that. A very minor detail indeed. If jumping makes you happy and relaxed, then feel free to jump all you want. Jumping also affects the RNG, so you might get lucky or unlucky by jumping. *giggles*
- Don't jump at the desert. Try holding down while walking. By doing this you should pass through enemies while you are invulnerable. Makes it easy to cross the desert.
- Did you occasionally enter doors in the middle of the door? Try to aim to the door edges to shorten the walking distance a little. (Maybe saves 1-3 seconds during the run, if the precision is fully mastered.)

Overall, it is a very good run already! I think 53 minutes could soon be something to aim for! Smiley

Oh, by the way, I'm interested to know if you ever see anything strange, even if it is a minor anomaly. Any observation could lead to a new glitch discovery.

Good luck with your next attempt! Hopefully this will be done in some future marathon too!
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Stonhedge: 2014-04-17 03:00:15 pm
Thanks Aqfaq Wink

- Avoid unnecessary jumping, because it slows you down
I know but it's fun Grin

- Don't jump at the desert. Try holding down while walking. By doing this you should pass through enemies while you are invulnerable. Makes it easy to cross the desert.

I don't understand what you mean, i do it like you in the Tas

- Did you occasionally enter doors in the middle of the door? Try to aim to the door edges to shorten the walking distance a little
I know, i'm just unskilled Tongue

I didnt see anomaly or glitch you don't know i think.

By the way how do you go through the doors at lilypad's dungeon? Do you think it's possible to find a setup to do it with a gamepad?

And I failed a possible 53m50 at biomeka Sad

edit : do you know why magic do not throw sometimes against ghosts in the pyramid?
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New PB 54m22s http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/4019030



A sub 54 is possible with a good rng and some skills Roll Eyes


This was a great run... makes me wish it was an NA release as well... ah well.

Kinda curious... do you absolutely HAVE to use Inns [outside of major life recovery], or is it a safety net? The Inn takes around 10 seconds or so per use... so alone that's 30-50 potential time savings.

That ledge jump.. I was groaning on that. That's an absolute bitch... but can you get away without the Quake it gives you since you got some earlier [and it seems you went overkill with it later before the Demon King]?

I kept trying to figure out wth was up with missing all that Gold... it was seriously doing my head in... until I realized that you get such a surplus as it is. Weird system to have such overload on money.


The only other significant thing I noted was lack of Ladder Boots use. I understand it's a defense lowering... but there were a lot of places where you ended up taking 0 damage, but the Ladder Boots would have zipped you up even the shorter ropes a lot faster. I think this risk would net you more reward as you have the skills necessary to pull it off. All those tiny ladders missing that... could be another 10-30 seconds [I'd have to go back and manually count, but there were a lot..]

Sub 54 is VERY possible. I agree with Aqfaq... 53 mins is possible. You just have to believe in your already phenomenal skills and it will work out.
Thanks Mr. Kelly R. Flewin thumbsup

Inn also restore magic and it's use to go back with the return magic. I think it's possible to skip the ice and dragon inn but I will have a lack of magic i guess Undecided

I really need more quake for the ice part, normally I don't miss the jump like that Roll Eyes

The Hero moves faster with marine and ceramic boots, and i do the same time by switching boots than keeping other boots with small rope.
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Thanks Mr. Kelly R. Flewin thumbsup

Inn also restore magic and it's use to go back with the return magic. I think it's possible to skip the ice and dragon inn but I will have a lack of magic i guess Undecided


That would be the next large step... figuring how to minimalize magic use and maximize whatcha got. I didn't realize the Inn also was needed to restore though... it will be a fine balance... but it's something to consider.



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I really need more quake for the ice part, normally I don't miss the jump like that Roll Eyes



Hmmmm well also poking at it in case it's something you can almost ignore in a pinch... just so you don't feel forced to have to go for it and move on just in case.



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The Hero moves faster with marine and ceramic boots, and i do the same time by switching boots than keeping other boots with small rope.



AHHH! Now this I wasn't fully aware of, but it does make more sense then. Forgive my err.
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Don't jump at the desert.
I don't understand what you mean, i do it like you in the Tas

Well, the TAS is old, so there are some mistakes. When you are invulnerable (after taking damage), you can walk through enemies, but you need to hold the D-pad down while walking. This can reduce the number of jumps in the desert. (It saves less than 0.1 seconds, so no big deal.)

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By the way how do you go through the doors at lilypad's dungeon?

You mean the large stone doors that shake? I think the player's x-coordinate needs to be very close to the door, so that when the door shakes towards the player, the player goes inside the door. It can happen if you are lucky, but I don't know how to do it consistently in real-time, because the doors shake so fast.

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do you know why magic do not throw sometimes against ghosts in the pyramid?

That is strange. I don't know.
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Stonhedge: 2014-06-08 04:54:52 pm
New PB : 54m08s : http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/4375617



edit : A Genesis is really faster than a 60Hz Megadrive (http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/4426707)

I think a 52min is possible.
Nice work. I saw some of your frustrating bloobers too. Funny stuff.
New PB : 53m29s : http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/4438439

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Nice work. I saw some of your frustrating bloobers too. Funny stuff.

Yeah, one mistake and the run is over Undecided

Do you you have any tips to have a good rng for the 30 Gold at the begining? I often need more than 20min to begin a run embarassed
Ciento Dos Huevos
Is this being done on a US-NTSC console now?  Also followed, I love this game.  Hope to catch some attempts.
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Do you you have any tips to have a good rng for the 30 Gold at the begining?

The random numbers change so rapidly and chaotically that it is not possible to control them in real time. Pressing any button at a different frame might give a different result. The best advice I can give is this: Just do everything as fast as you can and hope for the best! Smiley
Stony, still waiting on you to skip one of those hearts to cross the desert :P. I'm guessing the one before gragg and glagg takes the longest in your current route as it takes over a minute and isn't absolutely necessary. I also still question whether getting return and amulet and heart is really faster than not doing so. However.. I suspect my estimates were a little off on the previous page from a long time ago and it would actually be 20-30 seconds slower over the course of the run. Enjoying your runs and glad you were able to get your hands on a genesis!
Skip one heart mean no mistake in the desert and it's really too hard for me ;D.

Skip return make me win 1m40s - 2m10s, and i lost 1m40s to go back from the underwater heart without return magic. It's really not a good idea.
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Skip one heart mean no mistake in the desert and it's really too hard for me ;D.


That minute is gonna be a necessity soon happy

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Skip return make me win 1m40s - 2m10s, and i lost 1m40s to go back from the underwater heart without return magic. It's really not a good idea.


My calculations on the page before were taking into consideration only having 6 hearts (no amulet heart) vs the 7 you get in your route I'm thinking, so taking out the gragg heart, yeah there's no way skipping return would be faster I don't think.
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That minute is gonna be a necessity soon happy


Beat my PB and i will think about it Grin

I made some try and it's really impossible for me to skip one Heart, currently I died in 75% of my runs before Gragg and Gragg.

I think it is a good idea to not skip the Heart at this point. This way you get more training by not needing to restart so often.
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Stonhedge: 2014-06-24 03:53:41 pm
Stonhedge: 2014-06-24 03:53:40 pm
http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/4529618

I skip the heart but I died like a noob at biomeka .......
Oh! So close! That boss is BAD!
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Stonhedge: 2014-06-25 10:35:03 am
And when I train, I kill him without losing elixir. I have too much skill Grin
New Pb 52:44 : http://www.twitch.tv/stonhedge/c/5070097

I finally skip a heart ,I think i can do a 51:xx with some luck.

And I really need to practice english Grin
Good run.
Ciento Dos Huevos
Awesome, wish I had seen it.  Haven't seen you stream as much lately.  Always enjoy watching it.