Wind Waker

DRybes

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DRybes: 2008-11-02 01:21:32 am

2008-11-02 01:14:49 am

O Zlda?

Quote from darklink23jdm:

I'm also starting to speedrun this game and I currently have 3 videos of My WW speedrun.But another thing I want to make sure is that if Unreal's route for any% WW is the fastest route now.Also would it help to savewarp more during segment 2 and 3?(like after getting the hero's clothes and savewarping after you get the sword.)

Anyway here are parts of my speedrun:

Anyways,can anybody tell me when the game timer starts and when it ends in WW?Also if you think there are improvements in my segments,feel free to tell me!I want to get a good time on this run. Smiley

I'm already posting video responses to yours showing you how they should be done. (Your segment 3 is very nicely done, can only be improved by a second or two, segment 2 needs some work). You will have to put in lotsa effort and lotsa rerecords... not trying to put you down, you aren't bad at all, but I have already recorded those segments faster than you did them, and there are at least 5 people around here (Me, MrSparkles, ToiletPro, Marcus/ZeldaTPRunner, and YautjaElder) who have either recorded segments faster than those or are capable of doing so.

For starters I recommend getting the clothes in the first segment, since the route unreal wrote is indeed very highly optimized (still needs a little tweaking but that's mostly later on). You can see what segments 1,2,3,5,7 should look like on my youtube channel, http://www.youtube.com/drybes . I am already on to later segments than that (finally), hopefully I can answer any detailed questions you have on youtube email or on AIM, DRybes.

As for timing, it starts in segment 1 when you gain control of link, and ends when you select "Yes" on the save menu. Every segment after that is the same, starts when you gain control (if you want to be technical this is usually the frame before your hearts appear), ends when you select yes.

[quote="darklink23jdm"]
I'm also starting to speedrun this game and I currently have 3 videos of My WW speedrun.But another thing I want to make sure is that if Unreal's route for any% WW is the fastest route now.Also would it help to savewarp more during segment 2 and 3?(like after getting the hero's clothes and savewarping after you get the sword.)

Anyway here are parts of my speedrun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JApK5j-JOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kw1ZFcJ5sk
Anyways,can anybody tell me when the game timer starts and when it ends in WW?Also if you think there are improvements in my segments,feel free to tell me!I want to get a good time on this run. :)
[/quote]

I'm already posting video responses to yours showing you how they should be done. (Your segment 3 is very nicely done, can only be improved by a second or two, segment 2 needs some work). You will have to put in lotsa effort and lotsa rerecords... not trying to put you down, you aren't bad at all, but I have already recorded those segments faster than you did them, and there are at least 5 people around here (Me, MrSparkles, ToiletPro, Marcus/ZeldaTPRunner, and YautjaElder) who have either recorded segments faster than those or are capable of doing so.

For starters I recommend getting the clothes in the first segment, since the route unreal wrote is indeed very highly optimized (still needs a little tweaking but that's mostly later on). You can see what segments 1,2,3,5,7 should look like on my youtube channel, http://www.youtube.com/drybes . I am already on to later segments than that (finally), hopefully I can answer any detailed questions you have on youtube email or on AIM, DRybes.

As for timing, it starts in segment 1 when you gain control of link, and ends when you select "Yes" on the save menu. Every segment after that is the same, starts when you gain control (if you want to be technical this is usually the frame before your hearts appear), ends when you select yes.

ZeroGX

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ZeroGX: 2008-11-02 01:04:23 am

2008-11-02 01:59:03 am

I'm also starting to speedrun this game and I currently have 3 videos of My WW speedrun.But another thing I want to make sure is that if Unreal's route for any% WW is the fastest route now.Also would it help to savewarp more during segment 2 and 3?(like after getting the hero's clothes and savewarping after you get the sword.)

Anyway here are parts of my speedrun:

Anyways,can anybody tell me when the game timer starts and when it ends in WW?Also if you think there are improvements in my segments,feel free to tell me!I want to get a good time on this run. Smiley

ZeroGX

2008-11-02 10:09:20 am

Quote from DRybes:

Quote from darklink23jdm:

I'm also starting to speedrun this game and I currently have 3 videos of My WW speedrun.But another thing I want to make sure is that if Unreal's route for any% WW is the fastest route now.Also would it help to savewarp more during segment 2 and 3?(like after getting the hero's clothes and savewarping after you get the sword.)

Anyway here are parts of my speedrun:

Anyways,can anybody tell me when the game timer starts and when it ends in WW?Also if you think there are improvements in my segments,feel free to tell me!I want to get a good time on this run. Smiley

I'm already posting video responses to yours showing you how they should be done. (Your segment 3 is very nicely done, can only be improved by a second or two, segment 2 needs some work). You will have to put in lotsa effort and lotsa rerecords... not trying to put you down, you aren't bad at all, but I have already recorded those segments faster than you did them, and there are at least 5 people around here (Me, MrSparkles, ToiletPro, Marcus/ZeldaTPRunner, and YautjaElder) who have either recorded segments faster than those or are capable of doing so.

For starters I recommend getting the clothes in the first segment, since the route unreal wrote is indeed very highly optimized (still needs a little tweaking but that's mostly later on). You can see what segments 1,2,3,5,7 should look like on my youtube channel, http://www.youtube.com/drybes . I am already on to later segments than that (finally), hopefully I can answer any detailed questions you have on youtube email or on AIM, DRybes.

As for timing, it starts in segment 1 when you gain control of link, and ends when you select "Yes" on the save menu. Every segment after that is the same, starts when you gain control (if you want to be technical this is usually the frame before your hearts appear), ends when you select yes.

Ok I'll work on Segment 1 some more and I really put alot of effort in Segment 3,it took an hour of failure and resetting.I'll chek your segments.

[quote="DRybes"]
[quote="darklink23jdm"]
I'm also starting to speedrun this game and I currently have 3 videos of My WW speedrun.But another thing I want to make sure is that if Unreal's route for any% WW is the fastest route now.Also would it help to savewarp more during segment 2 and 3?(like after getting the hero's clothes and savewarping after you get the sword.)

Anyway here are parts of my speedrun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JApK5j-JOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kw1ZFcJ5sk
Anyways,can anybody tell me when the game timer starts and when it ends in WW?Also if you think there are improvements in my segments,feel free to tell me!I want to get a good time on this run. :)
[/quote]

I'm already posting video responses to yours showing you how they should be done. (Your segment 3 is very nicely done, can only be improved by a second or two, segment 2 needs some work). You will have to put in lotsa effort and lotsa rerecords... not trying to put you down, you aren't bad at all, but I have already recorded those segments faster than you did them, and there are at least 5 people around here (Me, MrSparkles, ToiletPro, Marcus/ZeldaTPRunner, and YautjaElder) who have either recorded segments faster than those or are capable of doing so.

For starters I recommend getting the clothes in the first segment, since the route unreal wrote is indeed very highly optimized (still needs a little tweaking but that's mostly later on). You can see what segments 1,2,3,5,7 should look like on my youtube channel, http://www.youtube.com/drybes . I am already on to later segments than that (finally), hopefully I can answer any detailed questions you have on youtube email or on AIM, DRybes.

As for timing, it starts in segment 1 when you gain control of link, and ends when you select "Yes" on the save menu. Every segment after that is the same, starts when you gain control (if you want to be technical this is usually the frame before your hearts appear), ends when you select yes.
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Ok I'll work on Segment 1 some more and I really put alot of effort in Segment 3,it took an hour of failure and resetting.I'll chek your segments.

ZeroGX

2008-11-02 03:00:42 pm

Oh and DRybes,I took your advice and did the intro and getting the shield in one segment. Smiley

UltimateDarius

2008-11-02 04:10:16 pm

Back in the game!

I'm actually tempted to jump on the bandwagon and start my own segmented run lol.

DRybes

2008-11-02 08:57:48 pm

O Zlda?

That's fine, this run is cursed so I think it will take at least 2 or 3 people working on it at once to actually get progress. I think the final time will be sub 6 hours now, and Stephen is looking into the practicality of skipping one rupee wallet upgrade, among other things (though I'm not sure it will be faster). Other things meaning... how often the wind has to change and a few other things with order, possibly opening a few triforce charts before the others if the pieces end up being more on the way during the quest (which ties in with the wallet upgrade... not necessary, in theory, if you decode 3 charts one occasion and 4 the next).

I also think I will collect the fairy for grandma soup right before going into DRC bossroom, as it's right there in a pot.

MrSparkle

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MrSparkle: 2008-11-07 01:19:11 pm

2008-11-03 01:16:20 am

Doin Good

Yeah I'm working on that stuff, lazily. Also, ET needs some work, mainly that room before the final EGA Stone. And there is also the ET boss key skip trick I almost have, I think.

There is no doubt Outset's rupee upgrade takes longer, at about 2 minutes. So does warping to Tingle Island (C3), hookshotting up the latter, warping away from Tingle Island, and getting back to E3 for more 101 rupee loops take less than 2 minutes? Nope, although it's closer than you would think. I was forgetting the sailing back to E3 and just how long that would take (about 1.4 units, or 72 seconds IIRC). Just warping twice takes over 30 seconds, and you need 1184 rupees at the first Tingle visit as well. A7 could get the times closer, but it's 101 rupee trick takes slightly longer...

DRybes

2008-11-03 01:38:40 am

O Zlda?

Quote from MrSparkle:

Yeah I'm working on that stuff, lazily. Also, ET needs some work, mainly that room before the final EGA Stone. And there is also the ET boss key skip trick I almost have, I think.

There is no doubt Outset's rupee upgrade takes longer, at about 2 minutes. So does warping to Tingle Island (C3), hookshotting up the latter, warping away from Tingle Island, and getting back to E3 for more 101 rupee loops? Nope, although it's closer than you would think. I was forgetting the sailing back to E3 and just how long that would take (about 1.4 units, or 72 seconds IIRC). Just warping twice takes over 30 seconds, and you need 1184 rupees at the first Tingle visit as well. A7 could get the times closer, but it's 101 rupee trick takes slightly longer...

I didn't think it would be faster to skip the upgrade. What sort of work would we have in ET with all the tricks already there? And do tell about this boss key skip, as all the boss doors are very similar, I wonder if it would work in other places.

[quote="MrSparkle"]
Yeah I'm working on that stuff, lazily. Also, ET needs some work, mainly that room before the final EGA Stone. And there is also the ET boss key skip trick I almost have, I think.

There is no doubt Outset's rupee upgrade takes longer, at about 2 minutes. So does warping to Tingle Island (C3), hookshotting up the latter, warping away from Tingle Island, and getting back to E3 for more 101 rupee loops? Nope, although it's closer than you would think. I was forgetting the sailing back to E3 and just how long that would take (about 1.4 units, or 72 seconds IIRC). Just warping twice takes over 30 seconds, and you need 1184 rupees at the first Tingle visit as well. A7 could get the times closer, but it's 101 rupee trick takes slightly longer...
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I didn't think it would be faster to skip the upgrade. What sort of work would we have in ET with all the tricks already there? And do tell about this boss key skip, as all the boss doors are very similar, I wonder if it would work in other places.

ZeroGX

2008-11-09 01:19:50 pm

Hey guys,I found a shortcut in DRC but we can't proceed through the temple with the shortcut. Sad

Oh and it's old isn't it?Since I think i saw that FLM had a video of it but I didn't find it.

DRybes

2008-11-09 08:22:16 pm

O Zlda?

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Hey guys,I found a shortcut in DRC but we can't proceed through the temple with the shortcut. Sad

Oh and it's old isn't it?Since I think i saw that FLM had a video of it but I didn't find it.

I hadn't seen it before, but it's pretty neat that someone found a way over the rock since I know people'd been trying. Totally pointless in a speedrun, not really a shortcut either, as it takes you to the ass-end of a one way room, but interesting to know it can be done.

Are there any rocks like this in the rest of the game that might save time? I can't really think of any.

FIERCELINKMASTER

2008-11-10 10:01:04 am

No the Quail is not riding the Q

I seem to recall there being a trick where you can get an item like a wooden sword on fire into a new room. Might be useful...

Also I had a bunch of tricks I was supposed to upload but neglected due to hard drive problems. Hopefully I can get it to you guys soon. I don't even remember if any of it was speedrun useful I just know I have the videos.

MrSparkle

2008-11-10 09:26:04 pm

Doin Good

Kirby8943 did such a video a while ago (deleted). He threw a buring stick at a torch nearby a DRC door, then opened the door as the stick bounced into the new room. I have not messed with this trick any, and the video was very short, so I don't know much else about it. It's not useful in the current route, but with that video a few posts back it has the potential to save over a minute, I think...

In the first DRC segment just get the small key as usual, then get the stick through the door (would need to open then reenter due to the unlocking delay, perhaps), throw or somehow carry the stick past the rock to the right, then get the stick through that door as well (no idea how this would be done). It's not required that the stick stay burning, and if this works the segment could be very bad considering the massive luck and be faster still.

I'll get a file to this point tomarrow, and look into this! Grin

ZeroGX

2008-11-11 09:26:12 pm

Quote from DRybes:

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Hey guys,I found a shortcut in DRC but we can't proceed through the temple with the shortcut. Sad

Oh and it's old isn't it?Since I think i saw that FLM had a video of it but I didn't find it.

I hadn't seen it before, but it's pretty neat that someone found a way over the rock since I know people'd been trying. Totally pointless in a speedrun, not really a shortcut either, as it takes you to the ass-end of a one way room, but interesting to know it can be done.

Are there any rocks like this in the rest of the game that might save time? I can't really think of any.

Yeah I was explaining that to somebody

ZeroGX

2008-11-11 09:28:59 pm

Quote from DRybes:

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Hey guys,I found a shortcut in DRC but we can't proceed through the temple with the shortcut. Sad

Oh and it's old isn't it?Since I think i saw that FLM had a video of it but I didn't find it.

I hadn't seen it before, but it's pretty neat that someone found a way over the rock since I know people'd been trying. Totally pointless in a speedrun, not really a shortcut either, as it takes you to the ass-end of a one way room, but interesting to know it can be done.

Are there any rocks like this in the rest of the game that might save time? I can't really think of any.

Well the only other one I remember is the rock that's next to the boss room but I don't know if we can go through the door.We can probably get OoB if we are able to climb it.

MrSparkle

2008-11-12 09:59:42 am

Doin Good

Unable to get a stick past the first room. I got it to bounce parallel to the door really close to it, but nothing more...

DRybes

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DRybes: 2008-11-15 04:20:24 am

2008-11-12 10:30:06 pm

O Zlda?

If it's alright with you I'm just going to use the current DRC route, this one seems complicated. Unless you're deadset on the idea that it's possible to do this and shave a minute...

Also, after lengthy discussion on AIM, I still can't figure out whether the soup will be worth it. I'm going to get it because I think it'll break even at worst, but it probably still shouldn't be used at every spot the current route suggests.

edit: Yes, I am currently in DRC, competitors take note, with a time upon entrance of less than 42 minutes (5 ahead of TSA). This might take a while because I have made it a point to match or beat every video ever posted so far (I'm going to stab whoever programmed orca), and yauty's last posted segment was at the start of DRC (albeit a short segment).

MrSparkle

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MrSparkle: 2008-11-23 11:14:32 pm

2008-11-23 11:07:23 pm

Doin Good

Here's what I think is the best route when killing the monsters after getting the Master Sword is a segmented run. Keep in mind saving before you kill all of them only resets them all. Consider the exit to the KoRL to be South and the exit to Ganon's Tower to be North. Optimally you would have 5 arrows at the start of this segment, an issue in the coming segments...

Starting near the South exit, drink some soup then finish the nearby Moblin. Go West up the stairs and get the 10 arrows in the pot. Continue North on the second floor and collect the bombs in the NW pot, killing the Moblin and Darknut as well. Collect the 10 arrows in the NE pot, proceed South and kill the 3 Moblins. Sidehop down to the first floor before the SE stairs and take out the Darknut there. Continue North, taking out some enemies along the way. Find the hiding enemies near the North exit, then head back towards the SW corner stairs (go up them!), killing whatever you see. This should be all of them (They do wander around).

Argh, now it seems like I'm missing an enemy in that route, but I've saved over the files nearby. I guess that just means it may need to be changed around some, but the 20 arrows are critical, fyi...

Here's what I think is the best route when killing the monsters after getting the Master Sword is a segmented run. Keep in mind saving before you kill all of them only resets them all. Consider the exit to the KoRL to be South and the exit to Ganon's Tower to be North. Optimally you would have 5 arrows at the start of this segment, an issue in the coming segments...

Starting near the South exit, drink some soup then finish the nearby Moblin. Go West up the stairs and get the 10 arrows in the pot. Continue North on the second floor and collect the bombs in the NW pot, killing the Moblin and Darknut as well. Collect the 10 arrows in the NE pot, proceed South and kill the 3 Moblins. Sidehop down to the first floor before the SE stairs and take out the Darknut there. Continue North, taking out some enemies along the way. Find the hiding enemies near the North exit, then head back towards the SW corner stairs (go up them!), killing whatever you see. This should be all of them (They do wander around).

Argh, now it seems like I'm missing an enemy in that route, but I've saved over the files nearby. I guess that just means it may need to be changed around some, but the 20 arrows are critical, fyi...

DRybes

2008-11-26 08:03:09 am

O Zlda?

Thanks for that. If the pots are random, then this segment will be annoying.

So did you do any timing with regards to soup vs. no soup in just that area?

ZeroGX

2008-12-21 01:36:45 am

Hey guys I finally went back to doing this run since I got my DVD recorder. Here's the first segment:

Tell me if I should keep it or not. It would be most appreciated. Smiley

xud9dab2

2008-12-21 10:48:23 am

heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Hey guys I finally went back to doing this run since I got my DVD recorder. Here's the first segment:

Tell me if I should keep it or not. It would be most appreciated. Smiley

Looks good to me. Also, "There were nearly any mistakes"?

MrSparkle

2008-12-21 12:55:55 pm

Doin Good

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Hey guys I finally went back to doing this run since I got my DVD recorder. Here's the first segment:

Tell me if I should keep it or not. It would be most appreciated. Smiley

An outdated route, the current route(s) ignore granny's chest completely. The quote shows how much faster unreal's/my partial route is.

Quote from MrSparkle:

Unreal's fancy Sail rupee route is easily faster. I remember a few doubting it, so I tested everything to see. There is the original route, TSA and Kazooie used this method in their runs/segment. There is an improved way of getting that chest, just talk to Grannie first, exit to the chest, then savewarp. Unreal's route is even faster...

\| #s in seconds	\| Start > Grannie	\| Mountaintop	\| FF Courtyard	\| Windfall	\| Total
\| Original	\| 150	\| 26	\| 54	\| 5	\| Base
\| Improved	\| 139	\| 26	\| 54	\| 5	\| 11 faster
\| Unreal's	\| 106	\| 28	\| 67	\| 12	\| 22 faster

I set convenient start and end spots to only test the parts of the segments that matter. The spotlights are in the worst possible position for collecting the rupees. The way I did it was not easy, but I don't see much improvement there. A few of the times are slightly improvable, but not nearly enough to make one route faster than another. Viewing the Tetra text at the end of the previous segment may result in far better spotlight positions...

Unreal's routes are on the first post, and here's my partial improved route again...

[font=Lucida Console]###################
#### Segment 1 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Blank
Z: Blank

-Opening cutscene
-Sidehop off balcony
-Swim to shore then run to Link's House
-Climb ladder
-Obtain Hero's Clothes
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 2 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Blank
Z: Blank

-Climb ladder then
-Aryll cutscene
-Obtain Telescope

@@@ Telescope to Y

-Zoom in on mailbox
-Cutscene
-Sidehop off balcony
-Talk to Ocra at Ocra's House
[Cycles 1-2 is done with slow slashes with a .5 second delay]
[Cycle 3 done with quickslashes]
[Cycles 4-6 is done as said]
-Obtain Hero's Sword
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 3 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telelscope
Z: Blank

-Go up to Forest of Faires
-Quickspin log for 20 rupees
-Jumpslash onto the slanted log and sidehop to the 2 Bokoblins cutscene
[Defeat both bokoblins with 4 thrusts at the same time]
[Cut grass for rupees if able]
-Cutscene
-Go to Link's House
-Climb ladder, backflip off into cutscene
-Obtain Shield
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 4 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Swim to Tetra
-Cutscene
-Save (Optional)

###################
#### Segment 5 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Enter Ship
-Quickly hang on ledge, dropping into a roll to Niko
[Just before ledge neutral the control stick]
-Niko cutscene
-Do obstacle course
[Mash A after jumping for the ropes]
[On second to last rope, postion yourself so you will swing onto Niko's ledge]
-Obtain Spoils Bag
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 6 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Climb ladder
-Tetra cutscene
-Start Gossip Stone cutscene
-Save

###################
#### Segment 7 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Get 40 rupees in courtyard
-Proceed upward and jump into window
-Climb the ladder and defeat Bokoblin
[Throw nearby pot, grab stick, hit B a few times, then the final blow by throwing stick]
-Proceed to Hanging Boat room
-Get past Moblin
-Outside skip the final Moblin
-Get Sword back
-Defeat Bokoblin with 6 slow slashes
[Grab Joy pendant if worthwhile?]
-Open door
-Cutscene
-Save

###################
#### Segment 8 ####
Rupees: 60 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Watch small cutscene
-Take route to the right
-Grab 20 rupees in pot near back dock
-Obtain Sail

@@@ Sail to X

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 9 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Fast sail to Dragon Roost
-Obtain Wind Waker

@@@ WW to Z

-Save (Optional)

###################
#### Segment 10####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: WW

-Learn Wind's Requiem
-Set wind South
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 11####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: WW

-Do rock jump to higher platform
-Jump around block
-Cutscene
-Enter mountain
-Cutscene (Obtain delivery bag)
-Go up to Medli
-Obtain Letter

@@@ Letter to Y

-Hang on ledge and drop into a roll
-Give Komali the letter
-Go to dry fountain
-Talk to Medli then throw her up to ledge
-Cutscene, obtain Bottle

@@@ Bottle to Y

-Collect water then climb the ladder
-Blast rock, swim to other side
-Lower first platform
-Skip second platform with a jump then slash
-Enter DRC
-save

###################
#### Segment 12####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Bottle
Z: WW

-Block puzzle
-Jumpslash over bar then quickspin Bokoblin
-Light both torches
-Obtain key and open locked door
-Jump down to the block.
-Pull block once
-Bomb the rock, rolling into the door at it explodes
-SKip lava island cutscene then climb latter
-Attack Bokoblin and grab the dropped sword
-Slash the wooden bars then throw sword at the higher bar
-Obtain key
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 13####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Bottle
Z: WW

-Return to main room
-Open locked door
-Quickspin bokoblin then grab stick
-Ignight the wooden bars then step on switch and proceed
-Climb ladder and clear gap.
-Skip ledge hanging
[Run off ledge and grab onto wood ledge]
-Blast rock, rolling into the door during explosion, enter door
-Climb blocks by moving middle ones only
-Pull block once then climb up and light stick
-Throw stick torwards the wooden bars and jump and roll while the stick is being thrown
-Grab then use key to continue
-Grab Kargorok key, using it to continue
-Light stick then torches
-Open door
-Blast open vase and run to other side and open door
-Roll into wall and kill bokolin in the jar with slow stabs
-Kill other 2 Bokoblins similarly
[Collect worthwhile Joy pendants if viable]
-Climb up ladder then enter door
-Grab pot of water then make an island over lava jet
-Blast rock covering yellow warp pot
-Blast rock blocking door, rolling during the explosion
-Run up stairs and defeat both Bokoblins at the same time using slow slashes
[Collect any rupees or Joy Pendants during idle time]
-Kill the Moblin with slow stabs, finishing with a quickspin
-Obtain Grappling Hook from Medli

@@@ Grappling Hook to Y

-Savewarp

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#### Segment 14####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green pot, grappling 2 Joy Pendants along the way?
-DRC Boss Key shortcut
-Grapple onto the post then proceed through door
-Sidehop into a jumpslash to lower ledge
-Proceed to Boss Key room
-Jumpslash the Magtail into a ball and put it on switch
-Sidehop right afterwards
-Obtain Boss Key
-savewarp

###################
#### Segment 15####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green then blue pot, grappling 2 Joy Pendants before green?
-Grapple to other side
-Break pot for a Joy Pendant?
-Go through Boss Door
-Defeat Ghoma in a single cycle?
-Exit Dungeon
-Cutscene (Obtain Din's Pearl)
-Save

###################
#### Segment 16####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Sail South to Forest Haven (F6)
-Save

###################
#### Segment 17####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Grapple onto post
[Position rock wall in the way to skip Grapple throwing scene]
-Proceed into Forest Haven
-Quickspin Chuchus
-Cutscene
-Obtain Deku Leaf

@@@ Leaf to X

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 18####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Conduct wind NW
-Sail to the cyclone near the FW
-Tame a jump out of the KoRL and use the Deku Leaf and cyclone to fly into FW
-Save

###################
#### Segment 19####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Use Deku Nut on first door
-Use Baba Buds to travel up room
-Use bomb on the door
-Glide to the platform
-Kill the boko baba to create the baba bud
-Use buds to get to the top platform
-Ride the moving plaform to the Deku Seed
-Ride back with seed then throw seed at door, entering it
-Blow seed out of the trap then throw seed at door
-Make you way around the Giant flower room to the Deku Seed
-Use seed on door
-Jump on first moving tenticle
-Aim a Deku Leaf blast to uncover blue warp vase
-Go through door you broke with seed
-Throw bomb at the gate
-Clip through vines from the right with a roll while invincible from damage
-Obtain Key
-savewarp to entrance

###################
#### Segment 20####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase
-Open the locked door
-Glide to the platform
-Use Baba Buds to make your way to the Boomerang room
-Deafeat the Mothula with Jumpslashes and quickspins
-Obtain Boomerang

@@@ Boomerang to Y

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 21####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase
-Cut the giant flower down with the boomerang
-Time a jump so you fall to the flower during the flower falling cutscene
-Take path to the right/open door/quickspin the plant
-Navigate through tunnel with flower
-Hit 5 switches with boomerang/fall down to gate before last switch is hit
-Obtain Boss Key
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 22####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase
-Jump down to the door with the two flowers on it
-Hit flowers with boomerang, then enter
-Defeat both Mothulas with one quickspin
-Go into boss room
-Single cycle Kalle Demos
-Exit Dungeon
-Cutscene
-Obtain Farore's Pearl

@@@ sail to X

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 23####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail North to Farore's Pearl placement (D6)
-Place pearl
-Save

###################
#### Segment 24####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail ENE to Din's Pearl placement quadrent (C4)
-Enter cyclone, warping to Greatfish Isle (D2)
-Greatfish Isle cutscene
-Save
###################
#### Segment 25####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail North to Mother and Child Island (B2)
-Enter tornado, warping to Windfall Island (B4)
-Cutscene
-Set wind SW
-Save
###################
#### Segment 26####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Shortcut to Bomb house
-Go into house
-Cutscene
[Manipulate for best password]
-Save

###################
#### Segment 27####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Use password to enter ship
-Quickly hang on ledge, dropping into a roll to Niko
[Just before ledge neutral the control stick]
-Cutscene
-Jump on rope to the left then jump onto the next rope
[2nd rope course strat?]
-Swing over and to Niko
-Obtain Bombs
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 28####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail South to Din's Pearl Island (C4)
-Set Din's pearl
-Enter cyclone, warping to Outset
-Cutscene

@@@ Leaf to X, Bombs to Y, Bottle to z

-Save

###################
#### Segment 29####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Bombs
Z: Bottle

-Proceed up to broken bridge
-Glide to FoF
-Proceed up to Fairy rock
-Blast rock, rolling into the hole as bomb explodes
-Obtain 1000 rupee upgrade
-Get fairy in a bottle
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 30####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Bombs
Z: Bottled Fairy

-Go to Grandma and heal her
-Obtain Elixir Soup

@@@ Sail to X, WW to Z

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 31####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Bombs
Z: WW

-Sail into whirlpool
-Blast open door with 5 bombs
-Cutscene
-Obtain Nayru's Pearl
-Set wind NE
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 32####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Bombs
Z: WW

-Sail NE to Nayru placement (E5)
-Place pearl
-Cutscene
-Sail into ToG

@@@ Leaf to X, Soup to Y, WW to Z

-Save

###################
#### Segment 33####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Soup
Z: WW

-Do fastest ToG break
-Go through door
-Place 2 armoses(sidehop while carrying?)
-Roll into left switch to catch the elevator in time
-Go through right door
-Glide to moving platform then jump to door
-Call the statue
-Guide him to other side
-Go to main room with statue and learn Command Melody

-Go through next door
-Glide to other side and go through door
-Glide to other side and call statue
-Step on switch and conduct CM
-Guide the statue acroos the bridge
-Glide to statue
-Enter door, then leave staue on Bow room switch
-Glide to Bow room
-Do soup glitch, switching with...

@@@ Telescope to Y

-Kill Darknut my removing armor then slow stabs into a quickspin (double attack)
-Obtain Bow

@@@ Bow to Y

-Exit room then shoot eye
-Glide to statue
-Grab it then go to the main room

-Go through next door
-Jump down to lower door and go through
-Glide to the chest platform and obtain key
-Sidehop into the void, warping to the door?
-Climb up ladder
-Glide to back of a scale and jump onto high platform
-Open locked door
-Jump onto block and glide to the statue
-Get statue and sidehop to the exit
-Throw him on one scale then throw 4 armoses onto other scale
-Proceed through door to main room
-Go into pink light
-Bomb boost over lasers
-Obtain Boss Key and defeat armoses with quickspins or arrows
-Proceed through door
-Sidehop over two beamos lasers and jumpslash over the last two
-Stock up on arrows and open door
-First cycle of Gohdan
-Second cycle
-Final cycle
-Boss defeated and exit boss room
-Grapple the bell
-Proceed to underwater Hyrule
-Go in Castle
-Cutscene
-(Equip Items?)
-Save

##################
#### Segment ####[/font]

[quote="darklink23jdm"]
Hey guys I finally went back to doing this run since I got my DVD recorder. Here's the first segment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsC2nfiawI
Tell me if I should keep it or not. It would be most appreciated. :)
[/quote]

An outdated route, the current route(s) ignore granny's chest completely. The quote shows how much faster unreal's/my partial route is.

[quote="MrSparkle"]
Unreal's fancy Sail rupee route is easily faster. I remember a few doubting it, so I tested everything to see. There is the original route, TSA and Kazooie used this method in their runs/segment. There is an improved way of getting that chest, just talk to Grannie first, exit to the chest, then savewarp. Unreal's route is even faster...

I set convenient start and end spots to only test the parts of the segments that matter. The spotlights are in the worst possible position for collecting the rupees. The way I did it was not easy, but I don't see much improvement there. A few of the times are slightly improvable, but not nearly enough to make one route faster than another. Viewing the Tetra text at the end of the previous segment may result in far better spotlight positions...
[/quote]

Unreal's routes are on the first post, and here's my partial improved route again...

[spoiler][font=Lucida Console]###################
#### Segment 1 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Blank
Z: Blank

-Opening cutscene
-Sidehop off balcony 
-Swim to shore then run to Link's House 
-Climb ladder  
-Obtain Hero's Clothes 
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 2 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Blank
Z: Blank

-Climb ladder then
-Aryll cutscene
-Obtain Telescope

@@@ Telescope to Y

-Zoom in on mailbox
-Cutscene
-Sidehop off balcony
-Talk to Ocra at Ocra's House
	[Cycles 1-2 is done with slow slashes with a .5 second delay]
	[Cycle 3 done with quickslashes]
	[Cycles 4-6 is done as said]
-Obtain Hero's Sword
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 3 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telelscope
Z: Blank

-Go up to Forest of Faires 
-Quickspin log for 20 rupees  
-Jumpslash onto the slanted log and sidehop to the 2 Bokoblins cutscene 
	[Defeat both bokoblins with 4 thrusts at the same time]
	[Cut grass for rupees if able]
-Cutscene 
-Go to Link's House 
-Climb ladder, backflip off into cutscene
-Obtain Shield 
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 4 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Swim to Tetra 
-Cutscene 
-Save (Optional)

###################
#### Segment 5 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Enter Ship
-Quickly hang on ledge, dropping into a roll to Niko
	[Just before ledge neutral the control stick]
-Niko cutscene
-Do obstacle course
	[Mash A after jumping for the ropes]
	[On second to last rope, postion yourself so you will swing onto Niko's ledge]
-Obtain Spoils Bag
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 6 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Climb ladder 
-Tetra cutscene
-Start Gossip Stone cutscene
-Save

###################
#### Segment 7 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Get 40 rupees in courtyard 
-Proceed upward and jump into window 
-Climb the ladder and defeat Bokoblin
	[Throw nearby pot, grab stick, hit B a few times, then the final blow by throwing stick] 
-Proceed to Hanging Boat room 
-Get past Moblin 
-Outside skip the final Moblin 
-Get Sword back 
-Defeat Bokoblin with 6 slow slashes
	[Grab Joy pendant if worthwhile?] 
-Open door 
-Cutscene 
-Save

###################
#### Segment 8 ####
Rupees: 60 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Watch small cutscene 
-Take route to the right 
-Grab 20 rupees in pot near back dock
-Obtain Sail

@@@ Sail to X

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 9 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Fast sail to Dragon Roost 
-Obtain Wind Waker

@@@ WW to Z

-Save (Optional)

###################
#### Segment 10####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: WW

-Learn Wind's Requiem
-Set wind South
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 11####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: WW

-Do rock jump to higher platform
-Jump around block
-Cutscene
-Enter mountain 
-Cutscene (Obtain delivery bag) 
-Go up to Medli
-Obtain Letter

@@@ Letter to Y

-Hang on ledge and drop into a roll 
-Give Komali the letter 
-Go to dry fountain 
-Talk to Medli then throw her up to ledge
-Cutscene, obtain Bottle

@@@ Bottle to Y

-Collect water then climb the ladder
-Blast rock, swim to other side 
-Lower first platform 
-Skip second platform with a jump then slash
-Enter DRC
-save

###################
#### Segment 12####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Bottle
Z: WW

-Block puzzle
-Jumpslash over bar then quickspin Bokoblin
-Light both torches
-Obtain key and open locked door
-Jump down to the block.
-Pull block once
-Bomb the rock, rolling into the door at it explodes
-SKip lava island cutscene then climb latter
-Attack Bokoblin and grab the dropped sword
-Slash the wooden bars then throw sword at the higher bar
-Obtain key
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 13####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Bottle
Z: WW

-Return to main room      
-Open locked door 
-Quickspin bokoblin then grab stick
-Ignight the wooden bars then step on switch and proceed  
-Climb ladder and clear gap.  
-Skip ledge hanging
	[Run off ledge and grab onto wood ledge]
-Blast rock, rolling into the door during explosion, enter door  
-Climb blocks by moving middle ones only  
-Pull block once then climb up and light stick  
-Throw stick torwards the wooden bars and jump and roll while the stick is being thrown  
-Grab then use key to continue
-Grab Kargorok key, using it to continue
-Light stick then torches 
-Open door  
-Blast open vase and run to other side and open door  
-Roll into wall and kill bokolin in the jar with slow stabs
-Kill other 2 Bokoblins similarly
	[Collect worthwhile Joy pendants if viable]
-Climb up ladder then enter door 
-Grab pot of water then make an island over lava jet 
-Blast rock covering yellow warp pot
-Blast rock blocking door, rolling during the explosion 
-Run up stairs and defeat both Bokoblins at the same time using slow slashes
	[Collect any rupees or Joy Pendants during idle time]
-Kill the Moblin with slow stabs, finishing with a quickspin  
-Obtain Grappling Hook from Medli

@@@ Grappling Hook to Y

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 14####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green pot, grappling 2 Joy Pendants along the way?
-DRC Boss Key shortcut   
-Grapple onto the post then proceed through door  
-Sidehop into a jumpslash to lower ledge 
-Proceed to Boss Key room 
-Jumpslash the Magtail into a ball and put it on switch
-Sidehop right afterwards
-Obtain Boss Key
-savewarp

###################
#### Segment 15####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green then blue pot, grappling 2 Joy Pendants before green?
-Grapple to other side  
-Break pot for a Joy Pendant?
-Go through Boss Door  
-Defeat Ghoma in a single cycle?
-Exit Dungeon  
-Cutscene (Obtain Din's Pearl) 
-Save

###################
#### Segment 16####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Sail South to Forest Haven (F6)
-Save

###################
#### Segment 17####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Grapple onto post
	[Position rock wall in the way to skip Grapple throwing scene]
-Proceed into Forest Haven
-Quickspin Chuchus
-Cutscene
-Obtain Deku Leaf

@@@ Leaf to X

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 18####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Conduct wind NW
-Sail to the cyclone near the FW
-Tame a jump out of the KoRL and use the Deku Leaf and cyclone to fly into FW
-Save

###################
#### Segment 19####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Use Deku Nut on first door   
-Use Baba Buds to travel up room   
-Use bomb on the door   
-Glide to the platform  
-Kill the boko baba to create the baba bud   
-Use buds to get to the top platform   
-Ride the moving plaform to the Deku Seed   
-Ride back with seed then throw seed at door, entering it
-Blow seed out of the trap then throw seed at door   
-Make you way around the Giant flower room to the Deku Seed   
-Use seed on door   
-Jump on first moving tenticle
-Aim a Deku Leaf blast to uncover blue warp vase
-Go through door you broke with seed  
-Throw bomb at the gate   
-Clip through vines from the right with a roll while invincible from damage
-Obtain Key   
-savewarp to entrance

###################
#### Segment 20####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase
-Open the locked door   
-Glide to the platform   
-Use Baba Buds to make your way to the Boomerang room   
-Deafeat the Mothula with Jumpslashes and quickspins
-Obtain Boomerang

@@@ Boomerang to Y
 
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 21####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase  
-Cut the giant flower down with the boomerang
-Time a jump so you fall to the flower during the flower falling cutscene 
-Take path to the right/open door/quickspin the plant  
-Navigate through tunnel with flower   
-Hit 5 switches with boomerang/fall down to gate before last switch is hit
-Obtain Boss Key   
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 22####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase   
-Jump down to the door with the two flowers on it
-Hit flowers with boomerang, then enter   
-Defeat both Mothulas with one quickspin   
-Go into boss room   
-Single cycle Kalle Demos 
-Exit Dungeon 
-Cutscene 
-Obtain Farore's Pearl

@@@ sail to X

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 23####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail North to Farore's Pearl placement (D6)
-Place pearl
-Save

###################
#### Segment 24####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW
 
-Sail ENE to Din's Pearl placement quadrent (C4)
-Enter cyclone, warping to Greatfish Isle (D2)
-Greatfish Isle cutscene
-Save
###################
#### Segment 25####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail North to Mother and Child Island (B2)
-Enter tornado, warping to Windfall Island (B4)
-Cutscene
-Set wind SW
-Save
###################
#### Segment 26####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Shortcut to Bomb house 
-Go into house 
-Cutscene
	[Manipulate for best password]
-Save

###################
#### Segment 27####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Use password to enter ship
-Quickly hang on ledge, dropping into a roll to Niko
	[Just before ledge neutral the control stick]
-Cutscene 
-Jump on rope to the left then jump onto the next rope
	[2nd rope course strat?]
-Swing over and to Niko   
-Obtain Bombs 
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 28####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail South to Din's Pearl Island (C4)
-Set Din's pearl
-Enter cyclone, warping to Outset
-Cutscene

@@@ Leaf to X, Bombs to Y, Bottle to z

-Save

###################
#### Segment 29####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Bombs
Z: Bottle

-Proceed up to broken bridge
-Glide to FoF 
-Proceed up to Fairy rock 
-Blast rock, rolling into the hole as bomb explodes
-Obtain 1000 rupee upgrade
-Get fairy in a bottle
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 30####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Bombs
Z: Bottled Fairy

-Go to Grandma and heal her 
-Obtain Elixir Soup

@@@ Sail to X, WW to Z

-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 31####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Bombs
Z: WW

-Sail into whirlpool
-Blast open door with 5 bombs 
-Cutscene  
-Obtain Nayru's Pearl
-Set wind NE
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 32####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Sail
Y: Bombs
Z: WW

-Sail NE to Nayru placement (E5) 
-Place pearl 
-Cutscene 
-Sail into ToG

@@@ Leaf to X, Soup to Y, WW to Z

-Save

###################
#### Segment 33####
Rupees: Joy: 
X: Leaf
Y: Soup
Z: WW

-Do fastest ToG break
-Go through door 
-Place 2 armoses(sidehop while carrying?) 
-Roll into left switch to catch the elevator in time
-Go through right door
-Glide to moving platform then jump to door
-Call the statue 
-Guide him to other side
-Go to main room with statue and learn Command Melody

-Go through next door 
-Glide to other side and go through door 
-Glide to other side and call statue 
-Step on switch and conduct CM 
-Guide the statue acroos the bridge 
-Glide to statue  
-Enter door, then leave staue on Bow room switch
-Glide to Bow room 
-Do soup glitch, switching with...

@@@ Telescope to Y

-Kill Darknut my removing armor then slow stabs into a quickspin (double attack)
-Obtain Bow

@@@ Bow to Y

-Exit room then shoot eye
-Glide to statue 
-Grab it then go to the main room

-Go through next door 
-Jump down to lower door and go through 
-Glide to the chest platform and obtain key
-Sidehop into the void, warping to the door?
-Climb up ladder 
-Glide to back of a scale and jump onto high platform 
-Open locked door 
-Jump onto block and glide to the statue 
-Get statue and sidehop to the exit 
-Throw him on one scale then throw 4 armoses onto other scale 
-Proceed through door to main room 
-Go into pink light 
-Bomb boost over lasers 
-Obtain Boss Key and defeat armoses with quickspins or arrows
-Proceed through door 
-Sidehop over two beamos lasers and jumpslash over the last two 
-Stock up on arrows and open door 
-First cycle of Gohdan
-Second cycle
-Final cycle 
-Boss defeated and exit boss room 
-Grapple the bell 
-Proceed to underwater Hyrule 
-Go in Castle
-Cutscene
-(Equip Items?)
-Save

##################
#### Segment  ####[/font][/spoiler]

ZeroGX

2008-12-21 03:36:21 pm

Quote from MrSparkle:

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Hey guys I finally went back to doing this run since I got my DVD recorder. Here's the first segment:

Tell me if I should keep it or not. It would be most appreciated. Smiley

An outdated route, the current route(s) ignore granny's chest completely. The quote shows how much faster unreal's/my partial route is.

Quote from MrSparkle:

Unreal's fancy Sail rupee route is easily faster. I remember a few doubting it, so I tested everything to see. There is the original route, TSA and Kazooie used this method in their runs/segment. There is an improved way of getting that chest, just talk to Grannie first, exit to the chest, then savewarp. Unreal's route is even faster...

\| #s in seconds	\| Start > Grannie	\| Mountaintop	\| FF Courtyard	\| Windfall	\| Total
\| Original	\| 150	\| 26	\| 54	\| 5	\| Base
\| Improved	\| 139	\| 26	\| 54	\| 5	\| 11 faster
\| Unreal's	\| 106	\| 28	\| 67	\| 12	\| 22 faster

I set convenient start and end spots to only test the parts of the segments that matter. The spotlights are in the worst possible position for collecting the rupees. The way I did it was not easy, but I don't see much improvement there. A few of the times are slightly improvable, but not nearly enough to make one route faster than another. Viewing the Tetra text at the end of the previous segment may result in far better spotlight positions...

Unreal's routes are on the first post, and here's my partial improved route again...

[font=Lucida Console]###################
#### Segment 1 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Blank
Z: Blank

-Opening cutscene
-Sidehop off balcony
-Swim to shore then run to Link's House
-Climb ladder
-Obtain Hero's Clothes
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 2 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Blank
Z: Blank

-Climb ladder then
-Aryll cutscene
-Obtain Telescope

@@@ Telescope to Y

-Zoom in on mailbox
-Cutscene
-Sidehop off balcony
-Talk to Ocra at Ocra's House
[Cycles 1-2 is done with slow slashes with a .5 second delay]
[Cycle 3 done with quickslashes]
[Cycles 4-6 is done as said]
-Obtain Hero's Sword
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 3 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telelscope
Z: Blank

-Go up to Forest of Faires
-Quickspin log for 20 rupees
-Jumpslash onto the slanted log and sidehop to the 2 Bokoblins cutscene
[Defeat both bokoblins with 4 thrusts at the same time]
[Cut grass for rupees if able]
-Cutscene
-Go to Link's House
-Climb ladder, backflip off into cutscene
-Obtain Shield
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 4 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Swim to Tetra
-Cutscene
-Save (Optional)

###################
#### Segment 5 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Enter Ship
-Quickly hang on ledge, dropping into a roll to Niko
[Just before ledge neutral the control stick]
-Niko cutscene
-Do obstacle course
[Mash A after jumping for the ropes]
[On second to last rope, postion yourself so you will swing onto Niko's ledge]
-Obtain Spoils Bag
-Savewarp

###################
#### Segment 6 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Climb ladder
-Tetra cutscene
-Start Gossip Stone cutscene
-Save

###################
#### Segment 7 ####
Rupees: 20 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Get 40 rupees in courtyard
-Proceed upward and jump into window
-Climb the ladder and defeat Bokoblin
[Throw nearby pot, grab stick, hit B a few times, then the final blow by throwing stick]
-Proceed to Hanging Boat room
-Get past Moblin
-Outside skip the final Moblin
-Get Sword back
-Defeat Bokoblin with 6 slow slashes
[Grab Joy pendant if worthwhile?]
-Open door
-Cutscene
-Save

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#### Segment 8 ####
Rupees: 60 Joy: 0
X: Blank
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Watch small cutscene
-Take route to the right
-Grab 20 rupees in pot near back dock
-Obtain Sail

@@@ Sail to X

-Savewarp

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#### Segment 9 ####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: Blank

-Fast sail to Dragon Roost
-Obtain Wind Waker

@@@ WW to Z

-Save (Optional)

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#### Segment 10####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: WW

-Learn Wind's Requiem
-Set wind South
-Savewarp

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#### Segment 11####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Telescope
Z: WW

-Do rock jump to higher platform
-Jump around block
-Cutscene
-Enter mountain
-Cutscene (Obtain delivery bag)
-Go up to Medli
-Obtain Letter

@@@ Letter to Y

-Hang on ledge and drop into a roll
-Give Komali the letter
-Go to dry fountain
-Talk to Medli then throw her up to ledge
-Cutscene, obtain Bottle

@@@ Bottle to Y

-Collect water then climb the ladder
-Blast rock, swim to other side
-Lower first platform
-Skip second platform with a jump then slash
-Enter DRC
-save

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#### Segment 12####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Bottle
Z: WW

-Block puzzle
-Jumpslash over bar then quickspin Bokoblin
-Light both torches
-Obtain key and open locked door
-Jump down to the block.
-Pull block once
-Bomb the rock, rolling into the door at it explodes
-SKip lava island cutscene then climb latter
-Attack Bokoblin and grab the dropped sword
-Slash the wooden bars then throw sword at the higher bar
-Obtain key
-Savewarp

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#### Segment 13####
Rupees: 0 Joy: 0
X: Sail
Y: Bottle
Z: WW

-Return to main room
-Open locked door
-Quickspin bokoblin then grab stick
-Ignight the wooden bars then step on switch and proceed
-Climb ladder and clear gap.
-Skip ledge hanging
[Run off ledge and grab onto wood ledge]
-Blast rock, rolling into the door during explosion, enter door
-Climb blocks by moving middle ones only
-Pull block once then climb up and light stick
-Throw stick torwards the wooden bars and jump and roll while the stick is being thrown
-Grab then use key to continue
-Grab Kargorok key, using it to continue
-Light stick then torches
-Open door
-Blast open vase and run to other side and open door
-Roll into wall and kill bokolin in the jar with slow stabs
-Kill other 2 Bokoblins similarly
[Collect worthwhile Joy pendants if viable]
-Climb up ladder then enter door
-Grab pot of water then make an island over lava jet
-Blast rock covering yellow warp pot
-Blast rock blocking door, rolling during the explosion
-Run up stairs and defeat both Bokoblins at the same time using slow slashes
[Collect any rupees or Joy Pendants during idle time]
-Kill the Moblin with slow stabs, finishing with a quickspin
-Obtain Grappling Hook from Medli

@@@ Grappling Hook to Y

-Savewarp

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#### Segment 14####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green pot, grappling 2 Joy Pendants along the way?
-DRC Boss Key shortcut
-Grapple onto the post then proceed through door
-Sidehop into a jumpslash to lower ledge
-Proceed to Boss Key room
-Jumpslash the Magtail into a ball and put it on switch
-Sidehop right afterwards
-Obtain Boss Key
-savewarp

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#### Segment 15####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green then blue pot, grappling 2 Joy Pendants before green?
-Grapple to other side
-Break pot for a Joy Pendant?
-Go through Boss Door
-Defeat Ghoma in a single cycle?
-Exit Dungeon
-Cutscene (Obtain Din's Pearl)
-Save

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#### Segment 16####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Sail South to Forest Haven (F6)
-Save

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#### Segment 17####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Grapple onto post
[Position rock wall in the way to skip Grapple throwing scene]
-Proceed into Forest Haven
-Quickspin Chuchus
-Cutscene
-Obtain Deku Leaf

@@@ Leaf to X

-Savewarp

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#### Segment 18####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Conduct wind NW
-Sail to the cyclone near the FW
-Tame a jump out of the KoRL and use the Deku Leaf and cyclone to fly into FW
-Save

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#### Segment 19####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Use Deku Nut on first door
-Use Baba Buds to travel up room
-Use bomb on the door
-Glide to the platform
-Kill the boko baba to create the baba bud
-Use buds to get to the top platform
-Ride the moving plaform to the Deku Seed
-Ride back with seed then throw seed at door, entering it
-Blow seed out of the trap then throw seed at door
-Make you way around the Giant flower room to the Deku Seed
-Use seed on door
-Jump on first moving tenticle
-Aim a Deku Leaf blast to uncover blue warp vase
-Go through door you broke with seed
-Throw bomb at the gate
-Clip through vines from the right with a roll while invincible from damage
-Obtain Key
-savewarp to entrance

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#### Segment 20####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Grapple
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase
-Open the locked door
-Glide to the platform
-Use Baba Buds to make your way to the Boomerang room
-Deafeat the Mothula with Jumpslashes and quickspins
-Obtain Boomerang

@@@ Boomerang to Y

-Savewarp

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#### Segment 21####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase
-Cut the giant flower down with the boomerang
-Time a jump so you fall to the flower during the flower falling cutscene
-Take path to the right/open door/quickspin the plant
-Navigate through tunnel with flower
-Hit 5 switches with boomerang/fall down to gate before last switch is hit
-Obtain Boss Key
-Savewarp

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#### Segment 22####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Enter green warp vase
-Jump down to the door with the two flowers on it
-Hit flowers with boomerang, then enter
-Defeat both Mothulas with one quickspin
-Go into boss room
-Single cycle Kalle Demos
-Exit Dungeon
-Cutscene
-Obtain Farore's Pearl

@@@ sail to X

-Savewarp

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#### Segment 23####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail North to Farore's Pearl placement (D6)
-Place pearl
-Save

###################
#### Segment 24####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail ENE to Din's Pearl placement quadrent (C4)
-Enter cyclone, warping to Greatfish Isle (D2)
-Greatfish Isle cutscene
-Save
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#### Segment 25####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail North to Mother and Child Island (B2)
-Enter tornado, warping to Windfall Island (B4)
-Cutscene
-Set wind SW
-Save
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#### Segment 26####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Shortcut to Bomb house
-Go into house
-Cutscene
[Manipulate for best password]
-Save

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#### Segment 27####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Use password to enter ship
-Quickly hang on ledge, dropping into a roll to Niko
[Just before ledge neutral the control stick]
-Cutscene
-Jump on rope to the left then jump onto the next rope
[2nd rope course strat?]
-Swing over and to Niko
-Obtain Bombs
-Savewarp

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#### Segment 28####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Boomerang
Z: WW

-Sail South to Din's Pearl Island (C4)
-Set Din's pearl
-Enter cyclone, warping to Outset
-Cutscene

@@@ Leaf to X, Bombs to Y, Bottle to z

-Save

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#### Segment 29####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Bombs
Z: Bottle

-Proceed up to broken bridge
-Glide to FoF
-Proceed up to Fairy rock
-Blast rock, rolling into the hole as bomb explodes
-Obtain 1000 rupee upgrade
-Get fairy in a bottle
-Savewarp

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#### Segment 30####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Bombs
Z: Bottled Fairy

-Go to Grandma and heal her
-Obtain Elixir Soup

@@@ Sail to X, WW to Z

-Savewarp

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#### Segment 31####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Bombs
Z: WW

-Sail into whirlpool
-Blast open door with 5 bombs
-Cutscene
-Obtain Nayru's Pearl
-Set wind NE
-Savewarp

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#### Segment 32####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Sail
Y: Bombs
Z: WW

-Sail NE to Nayru placement (E5)
-Place pearl
-Cutscene
-Sail into ToG

@@@ Leaf to X, Soup to Y, WW to Z

-Save

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#### Segment 33####
Rupees: Joy:
X: Leaf
Y: Soup
Z: WW

-Do fastest ToG break
-Go through door
-Place 2 armoses(sidehop while carrying?)
-Roll into left switch to catch the elevator in time
-Go through right door
-Glide to moving platform then jump to door
-Call the statue
-Guide him to other side
-Go to main room with statue and learn Command Melody

-Go through next door
-Glide to other side and go through door
-Glide to other side and call statue
-Step on switch and conduct CM
-Guide the statue acroos the bridge
-Glide to statue
-Enter door, then leave staue on Bow room switch
-Glide to Bow room
-Do soup glitch, switching with...

@@@ Telescope to Y

-Kill Darknut my removing armor then slow stabs into a quickspin (double attack)
-Obtain Bow

@@@ Bow to Y

-Exit room then shoot eye
-Glide to statue
-Grab it then go to the main room

-Go through next door
-Jump down to lower door and go through
-Glide to the chest platform and obtain key
-Sidehop into the void, warping to the door?
-Climb up ladder
-Glide to back of a scale and jump onto high platform
-Open locked door
-Jump onto block and glide to the statue
-Get statue and sidehop to the exit
-Throw him on one scale then throw 4 armoses onto other scale
-Proceed through door to main room
-Go into pink light
-Bomb boost over lasers
-Obtain Boss Key and defeat armoses with quickspins or arrows
-Proceed through door
-Sidehop over two beamos lasers and jumpslash over the last two
-Stock up on arrows and open door
-First cycle of Gohdan
-Second cycle
-Final cycle
-Boss defeated and exit boss room
-Grapple the bell
-Proceed to underwater Hyrule
-Go in Castle
-Cutscene
-(Equip Items?)
-Save

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Ok I'll redo it then. Thanks for the info.

[quote="MrSparkle"]
[quote="darklink23jdm"]
Hey guys I finally went back to doing this run since I got my DVD recorder. Here's the first segment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsC2nfiawI
Tell me if I should keep it or not. It would be most appreciated. :)
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