What Percentage of My Donation Goes to the Actual Charity?

2015-01-08 11:00:07 pm

I ask because I don't want to donate like, $50 only to find out that 80% of it just covers all the advertising costs and all that. That's why I ask.

Thread title:

Sir VG

2015-01-08 11:35:22 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

100% of all donations go to the charity. SDA sees NONE of it.

FionordeQuester

2015-01-08 11:42:35 pm

Wonderful! I believe I shall donate then!

JackintheBox333

2015-01-09 12:42:58 am

Professional Shaq Fu Speedrunner

Well its 100% minus whatever PayPal eats.

Efreeti

2015-01-09 03:07:46 am

Clear as a crisp spring morning!

The donation link actually leads directly to Prevent Cancer Foundation's paypal. GDQ indeed doesn't see a dime of it.

Blubbler

2015-01-09 07:25:33 am

Quote from Sir VG:

100% of all donations go to the charity. SDA sees NONE of it.

Quote from JackintheBox333:

Well its 100% minus whatever PayPal eats.

Quote from Efreeti:

The donation link actually leads directly to Prevent Cancer Foundation's paypal. GDQ indeed doesn't see a dime of it.

this thread says otherwise
https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/a_change_is_in_order.html

MLSTRM

2015-01-09 07:29:28 am

You can never run enough games

Quote from Blubbler:

Quote from Sir VG:

100% of all donations go to the charity. SDA sees NONE of it.

Quote from JackintheBox333:

Well its 100% minus whatever PayPal eats.

Quote from Efreeti:

The donation link actually leads directly to Prevent Cancer Foundation's paypal. GDQ indeed doesn't see a dime of it.

this thread says otherwise
https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/a_change_is_in_order.html

No it doesn't.

Quote from mikwuyma:

Naegleria: Outside of cash donations (which are donated to PCF after the event), the money has never touched my hands. It's what Sir VG said, it goes to PCF's paypal account. Donation money hasn't touched my hands since CGDQ.

If you're talking about event registrations and other GDQ revenue then yes, I still have access to that.

Blubbler

Edit history:

Blubbler: 2015-01-09 07:41:42 am

Blubbler: 2015-01-09 07:41:40 am

Blubbler: 2015-01-09 07:41:39 am

2015-01-09 07:39:42 am

Quote from MLSTRM:

blah blah blah

Who cares what money goes over which accounts? At the end of the day, donation money goes to the pcf and money goes from the pcf to gdq staff. And statements like that uyama renegotiates his contract each year based on the raised donations make the connection even more clear, that there is a middleman doesn't fundamentally change anything. You would have to be insane or dishonest to deny that.

kirbymastah

Edit history:

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:42:36 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:11:24 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:09:27 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:09:13 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:09:05 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:07:29 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:03:33 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 08:02:55 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 07:58:19 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-09 07:57:55 am

2015-01-09 07:56:14 am

<(^_^)>

Oh boy another one of these! Let's get the popcorn and accuse mike uyama of being a selfish prick who steals money without understanding how charities work! Actually, let's accuse all of PCF staff for stealing money! I mean it's not like the PCF staff need to make a living right? They can put in all their time and not make a living and go die for all we care!!!!! We can totally have a charity without staff workers!!! Curse you PCF for giving 100% of our donations to mike uyama! You jerk!

The fact is, none of your money goes to charity. They're stealing! Why do we have AGDQ? We should riot and sue PCF and make sure there can't be any PCF workers. Heck, do that for Doctors without Borders too! The DoB doctors get paid! The DoB staff and organizers get paid! Curse PCF and DoB for requiring money to even run and exist in the first place!

Genocidal

2015-01-09 08:16:13 am

Helpful.

More seriously: PCF as an organization receives 100% of the donations. Furthermore, as an organization they then decide how to best use that money, and one of those decisions involved hiring a few of the GDQ staff as PCF contractors, as mentioned in the above thread. If you are legitimately interested in the financials of PCF, they make all of that information available on their website: http://preventcancer.org/who-we-are/financials-policies/

MLSTRM

2015-01-09 08:24:03 am

You can never run enough games

Quote from Blubbler:

Quote from MLSTRM:

blah blah blah

Who cares what money goes over which accounts? At the end of the day, donation money goes to the pcf and money goes from the pcf to gdq staff. And statements like that uyama renegotiates his contract each year based on the raised donations make the connection even more clear, that there is a middleman doesn't fundamentally change anything. You would have to be insane or dishonest to deny that.

At the end of the day, the question was does all of the money donated go to the Charity, and the answer is yes. That doesn't mean that the charity isn't giving any money to people to help the event take place, which they are.

Alko

2015-01-09 08:53:52 am

Caution: This user contains Kana ^_^

If you really want to dig in, you can try and find out which percentag of the money PCF receives goes to which cause. I could find 8 % management, 16 % fundraising, 19 % outreach, 22 % research and 35 % education. Which means that 76 % of the donated money goes to charitable causes. If you're going to be really picky, you could point out that some charities manage to reach 80 %. However, that's close to the end; I dare you to find a charity with a percentage greater than 90. Good luck.

But trolls will be trolls and will always find reasons to not donate because of stuff like the charity needs an accountant for its income/outcome calculations *sighs* *moves on*

Supreme

2015-01-09 11:15:06 am

Dixie Kong Fan Club

I just hope users aren't dissuaded by posters that try to make the event some big conspiracy theory about Uyama and friends getting paid. Tbh, it's pretty smart to hire contractors since this allows them to put more time and effort into the event without having to use PCF's internal resources, which has paid off quite nicely in terms of the event quality + funding raised. But yes all the money donated goes to PCF, and then PCF decides how to disburse it. If a portion of it goes to making sure the event continues to raise oh you know...a million dollars, then so be it.

TheMG2

2015-01-09 03:56:14 pm

z1mb0bw4y

Edit history:

z1mb0bw4y: 2015-01-09 04:36:10 pm

2015-01-09 04:34:22 pm

Gets the cake.

Quote from Blubbler:

Quote from MLSTRM:

blah blah blah

Who cares what money goes over which accounts? At the end of the day, donation money goes to the pcf and money goes from the pcf to gdq staff. And statements like that uyama renegotiates his contract each year based on the raised donations make the connection even more clear, that there is a middleman doesn't fundamentally change anything. You would have to be insane or dishonest to deny that.

Contract renegotiations would occur if the GDQs make substantially more money to assist in expanding them in an effort to make more money. It's not like the money would be going directly into his wallet, this is just PCF's way of investing in the future of the charity event that has brought them $1million once already (and likely will again this year). GDQ (the company) doesn't employ anyone, and the staff members that play crucial roles in the planning and execution of the GDQ events are contracted by PCF. Again, as has been stated many times, you can view how PCF spends their money by looking at their public financial documents.

At the end of the day, if you don't like the charity or the level of transparency that the GDQ staff members and PCF have displayed, then don't donate or participate. This is a completely voluntary event trying to raise money for a good cause.

You would have better success with your arguments on SRG.

[quote="Blubbler"][quote="MLSTRM"]blah blah blah[/quote]
Who cares what money goes over which accounts? At the end of the day, donation money goes to the pcf and money goes from the pcf to gdq staff. And statements like that uyama renegotiates his contract each year based on the raised donations make the connection even more clear, that there is a middleman doesn't fundamentally change anything. You would have to be insane or dishonest to deny that.[/quote]

Contract renegotiations would occur if the GDQs make substantially more money to assist in expanding them in an effort to make more money. It's not like the money would be going directly into his wallet, this is just PCF's way of investing in the future of the charity event that has brought them $1million once already (and likely will again this year). GDQ (the company) doesn't employ anyone, and the staff members that play crucial roles in the planning and execution of the GDQ events are contracted by PCF. Again, as has been stated many times, you can view how PCF spends their money by looking at their public financial documents.

At the end of the day, if you don't like the charity or the level of transparency that the GDQ staff members and PCF have displayed, then don't donate or participate. This is a completely voluntary event trying to raise money for a good cause.

You would have better success with your arguments on SRG.

Blubbler

2015-01-09 05:09:09 pm

Can you shift the goalposts some more, please? I get that the event needs money to work.
But when, as mike said himself in the post themg2 linked, 12% of the donations are used for the organization of the event, how is it not dishonest to say that 100% of the donations go to the charity?

z1mb0bw4y

Edit history:

z1mb0bw4y: 2015-01-09 05:31:24 pm

2015-01-09 05:28:58 pm

Gets the cake.

Quote from Blubbler:

Can you shift the goalposts some more, please? I get that the event needs money to work.
But when, as mike said himself in the post themg2 linked, 12% of the donations are used for the organization of the event, how is it not dishonest to say that 100% of the donations go to the charity?

100% of the donations DO go directly to the charity. The charity uses its money in a variety of ways, including to invest in the GDW events themselves. Darkwing Duck said in the linked thread that roughly 12 cents of each dollar PCF takes in goes towards fundraising efforts. This is not solely AGDQ. AGDQ represented roughly 1/6-1/5 of PCF's income for their 2013 financial year. They have MANY other fundraising efforts they have to fund/support. In other words, you're wrong that 12% of their donations go directly back to AGDQ. That would be stupid.

It is normal for charities to spend part of their income (from donations) to push fundraising efforts and make more money. Literally every person on the face of the planet understands this. It's not that the donations are coming TO GDQ staff or TO AGDQ, it's that the charity receives them and they choose to spend them how they want. In every feasible and rational sense, the charity receives 100% of the donations. Just because they use them to reinvest on fundraising efforts doesn't change this.

[quote="Blubbler"]Can you shift the goalposts some more, please? I get that the event needs money to work.
But when, as mike said himself in the post themg2 linked, 12% of the donations are used for the organization of the event, how is it not dishonest to say that 100% of the donations go to the charity?[/quote]

100% of the donations DO go directly to the charity. The charity uses its money in a variety of ways, including to invest in the GDW events themselves. Darkwing Duck said in the linked thread that roughly 12 cents of each dollar PCF takes in goes towards fundraising efforts. This is not solely AGDQ. AGDQ represented roughly 1/6-1/5 of PCF's income for their 2013 financial year. They have MANY other fundraising efforts they have to fund/support. In other words, you're wrong that 12% of their donations go directly back to AGDQ. That would be stupid.

It is normal for charities to spend part of their income (from donations) to push fundraising efforts and make more money. Literally every person on the face of the planet understands this. It's not that the donations are coming TO GDQ staff or TO AGDQ, it's that the charity receives them and they choose to spend them how they want. In every feasible and rational sense, the charity receives 100% of the donations. Just because they use them to reinvest on fundraising efforts doesn't change this.

nate

2015-01-09 05:47:21 pm

it works even if you assume (incorrectly) that 12% of the money donated via marathons goes back to set up more marathons. i'm not very good at math but it would be like 633% return on investment? sounds like a good investment to me ...

TheMG2

2015-01-09 05:50:34 pm

Quote from Blubbler:

Can you shift the goalposts some more, please? I get that the event needs money to work.
But when, as mike said himself in the post themg2 linked, 12% of the donations are used for the organization of the event, how is it not dishonest to say that 100% of the donations go to the charity?

By your logic, 0 dollars of any fundraiser goes to charity, it just goes to what they spend it on.

kirbymastah

2015-01-09 08:40:07 pm

<(^_^)>

Quote from TheMG2:

Quote from Blubbler:

Can you shift the goalposts some more, please? I get that the event needs money to work.
But when, as mike said himself in the post themg2 linked, 12% of the donations are used for the organization of the event, how is it not dishonest to say that 100% of the donations go to the charity?

By your logic, 0 dollars of any fundraiser goes to charity, it just goes to what they spend it on.

By his logic, wouldn't it be GOOD that 0% goes to charity, since charity isn't keeping the donations for themselves and not spending it?

GASP

presjpolk

2015-01-09 09:36:00 pm

HELLO!

Here's the key section of PCF's Form 990 Schedule G from 2013:

Yeah. We'll see what the form says in 2014, but until then, the evidence is clear that the money's going to the research and education, folks.

Sir VG

2015-01-10 01:09:59 am

Fucking Weeaboo

So out of a million dollars, ONE PERCENT went to "Other Direct Expenses" and 0.6% went to "Food and Beverages". Seriously, that's damn efficient.

ONE POINT SIX PERCENT, PEOPLE. Stop complaining.

kirbymastah

Edit history:

kirbymastah: 2015-01-10 08:26:10 am

kirbymastah: 2015-01-10 08:05:26 am

2015-01-10 08:05:08 am

<(^_^)>

Quote from Sir VG:

So out of a million dollars, ONE PERCENT went to "Other Direct Expenses" and 0.6% went to "Food and Beverages". Seriously, that's damn efficient.

ONE POINT SIX PERCENT, PEOPLE. Stop complaining.

But but he's getting money! He's a sellout! He should be kicked out of the community and never allowed to organize AGDQ again! What a jerk! That's not efficient, that should be 0%!!!

Can they stop spending money for food and put that to charity too? It means we're stealing. kthx.

TheMG2

Edit history:

TheMG2: 2015-01-10 09:15:57 am

2015-01-10 09:08:43 am

Blubbler isn't complaining about stealing, blubbler is selectively complaining about linguistics. Don't misrepresent his argument. I very much disagree with him, but it should be made clear what the argument is.

Antilles58

2015-01-12 09:32:19 am

#FailFish

Good thread. It's amazing how much misunderstanding and misinformation there is on this topic.