Updated - Ocarina of Time - Sub 4 (It may happen)

Pweisger

2006-01-14 06:08:31 am

PwNzRd!

Which is interesting because that is about the time I came around and started posti... oh...

QooIsBack

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QooIsBack: 2006-01-14 12:08:18 pm

2006-01-14 10:11:08 am

Can't promise I'll try, but I'll try to try!!!

Ok, since no one seems to want to try and post a possible adult route, here I go. Rip it to shreds for all I care, but hey, its a start:

NOTE: This is assuming the Shadow Temple cannot be entered early and the Spirit Temple was completed as a child BEFORE becoming an adult. Also, if I remember correctly, the Ice Cavern was skipped. EDIT: I GUESS NOT

Go to Kakariko
Go to Graveyard
Get Hylian Shield (While it is possible to get the Mirror Shield first, if you have to get the Hookshot, it takes what another 30 seconds for this)
Get Hookshot
- I don't think this start was ever disputed.
Scale Death Mountain to Goron City
Warp to Lost Woods
Sacred Forest Meadow
Finish Forest Temple
- Again, I don't think this was ever disputed.
EDIT: SINCE IRON BOOTS ARE NECESSARY
Kokiri Forest
Lost Woods warp to Zora's River
Zora's Domain
Ice Cavern
Warp to Water Temple
Complete Water Temple
- (If the Ice Cavern and Iron Boots are skipable, then I think starting from the Forest Temple would have to be the fastest way to the Water Temple by just backwalking there without using the Serenade of Water.)
Requim of Spirit
Complete Spirit Temple
- Doing the Spirit Temple now would mean no unnecessary warping later.
Minuet of the Forest
Lost woods, Goron City
Stop Goron get Goron Tunic
Go right Longshot the Ladder
Drop down to the block
Longshot the wood to the left of where the scarecrow appears
Complete Fire Temple
- Pretty basic stuff.
Backwalk to Kakariko
Learn Nocturne of Shadow
Complete Shadow Temple
- The fastest route to the Temple of Time would be coming from Kakariko since the Prelude of Light was never learned.
Temple of Time
Ganon's Castle

I guess at any point the Spirit Temple can be done, although I believe the longshot is needed. But there doesn't seem to be any reason to do it any earlier. The Mirror Shield would only be helpful early if you didn't get the Hylian Shield. Again I am sure I missed something, but hey, its a start, let the discussions begin.

Ok, since no one seems to want to try and post a possible adult route, here I go.  Rip it to shreds for all I care, but hey, its a start:

NOTE:  This is assuming the Shadow Temple cannot be entered early and the Spirit Temple was completed as a child BEFORE becoming an adult.  Also, if I remember correctly, the Ice Cavern was skipped.  EDIT: I GUESS NOT

Go to Kakariko 
Go to Graveyard 
Get Hylian Shield (While it is possible to get the Mirror Shield first, if you have to get the Hookshot, it takes what another 30 seconds for this)
Get Hookshot 
-   I don't think this start was ever disputed.
Scale Death Mountain to Goron City 
Warp to Lost Woods 
Sacred Forest Meadow 
Finish Forest Temple 
-   Again, I don't think this was ever disputed.
EDIT: SINCE IRON BOOTS ARE NECESSARY
Kokiri Forest 
Lost Woods warp to Zora's River 
Zora's Domain 
Ice Cavern 
Warp to Water Temple
Complete Water Temple
-   (If the Ice Cavern and Iron Boots are skipable, then I think starting from the Forest Temple would have to be the fastest way to the Water Temple by just backwalking there without using the Serenade of Water.)
Requim of Spirit
Complete Spirit Temple
-   Doing the Spirit Temple now would mean no unnecessary warping later.  
Minuet of the Forest
Lost woods, Goron City 
Stop Goron get Goron Tunic 
Go right Longshot the Ladder 
Drop down to the block 
Longshot the wood to the left of where the scarecrow appears 
Complete Fire Temple 
-   Pretty basic stuff.
Backwalk to Kakariko 
Learn Nocturne of Shadow   
Complete Shadow Temple 
-  The fastest route to the Temple of Time would be coming from Kakariko since the Prelude of Light was never learned.
Temple of Time 
Ganon's Castle

I guess at any point the Spirit Temple can be done, although I believe the longshot is needed.  But there doesn't seem to be any reason to do it any earlier.  The Mirror Shield would only be helpful early if you didn't get the Hylian Shield.  Again I am sure I missed something, but hey, its a start, let the discussions begin.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-01-14 11:08:33 am

2006-01-14 11:08:13 am

Speed is the key.

QooIsBack: I'm pretty sure that we need the Ironboots in the water temple... If we can't get into shadow early.

QooIsBack

2006-01-14 12:12:06 pm

Can't promise I'll try, but I'll try to try!!!

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QooIsBack: I'm pretty sure that we need the Ironboots in the water temple... If we can't get into shadow early.

DUH!!! I forgot the only way to beat the Water Temple without the Iron Boots was with the Hoover Boots, my mistake. Updated the route then to include the whole Ice Cavern deal, so until someone challenges it I guess it will stand, for now.

FIERCELINKMASTER

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FIERCELINKMASTER: 2006-01-25 08:30:59 pm

2006-01-14 05:20:17 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

A simple legal adult route theory
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Get Hookshot
Lost woods
Learn Minuet of the Forest
Lost Woods
Ice Cavern
Water Temple
Spirit Temple
Minuet of the Forest to Forest Temple
Kokiri Forest
Goron Tunic (skip Bolero with Longshot)
Fire Temple
Nocturne of the Shadow
Shadow Temple
Light Arrows

The Hylian Shield is not needed until the Forest Temple. (meaning I don't have to get it)
The cool part is we get to use the Longshot and Farore's wind on all the Temples.

okiyama

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okiyama: 2006-01-14 06:28:16 pm

2006-01-14 05:48:48 pm

The original leever.

i just found what is (to my knowledge) the smallest time saver that we have found yet it save .5-2 seconds max so its almost completely useless but anyways.

as most people know on the right side of the gate where you enter gannons castle you can use hookshot on it. well what you do is as you're going on the rainbow bridge you simple go as far right as you can and a pretty close to the beggining of bridge then you simple hookshot the little side that you can and jump onto the end of the raindbow bridge and into gannondorf's(sp?) castle.

to my knowledge the only way it saves time is if you have the longshot but otherwise its useless heck even with the longshot its practically useless.

one other useless glitch that im almost sure is already know but i have not found anybody speak of is.

If you enter the runnerman's house on epona (simple put epona head inside the right post slowly lean left until you cant anymore then use a carrot) then all you do is warp to hylia lake and epona there and links invisible AND if you use arrowws or hookshot or C-up anywhere on the map it assumes you're under epona. I have tried useing this to get to other places (desert collosus included) but all i've found to work so far is lake hylia. again this is useless but it may help someday. I forgot to say that epona is stuck on the warp pad and as of posting this i cant get her down.

Helpful:maybe probably no
Dangerous:not at all to get epona back just use eponas song anywhere epona can go and to get link back to normal just enter a different area.

Edit: I fixed those spelling mistakes dang it.

Edit2: I get it now I'm sorry for using "Gannon" when it should be "gannondorf" and sorry also if i misspelled gannondorf's name

i just found what is (to my knowledge) the smallest time saver that we have found yet it save .5-2 seconds max so its almost completely useless but anyways.

as most people know on the right side of the gate where you enter gannons castle you can use hookshot on it. well what you do is as you're going on the rainbow bridge you simple go as far right as you can and a pretty close to the beggining of bridge then you simple hookshot the little side that you can and jump onto the end of the raindbow bridge and into gannondorf's(sp?) castle.

to my knowledge the only way it saves time is if you have the longshot but otherwise its useless heck even with the longshot its practically useless.

one other useless glitch that im almost sure is already know but i have not found anybody speak of is.

If you enter the runnerman's house on epona (simple put epona head inside the right post slowly lean left until you cant anymore then use a carrot) then all you do is warp to hylia lake and epona there and links invisible AND if you use arrowws or hookshot or C-up anywhere on the map it assumes you're under epona. I have tried useing this to get to other places (desert collosus included) but all i've found to work so far is lake hylia. again this is useless but it may help someday. I forgot to say that epona is stuck on the warp pad and as of posting this i cant get her down.

Helpful:maybe probably no
Dangerous:not at all to get epona back just use eponas song anywhere epona can go and to get link back to normal just enter a different area.

Edit: I fixed those spelling mistakes dang it.

Edit2: I get it now I'm sorry for using "Gannon" when it should be "gannondorf" and sorry also if i misspelled gannondorf's name

FIERCELINKMASTER

2006-01-14 06:06:15 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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i just found what is (too my knowledge) the smallest time saver that we have found yet it save .5-2 seconds max so its almost completely useless but anyways.

Would that be using only one o in too?

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gannons castle.

You really should open your own thread.

Madrox

2006-01-14 06:24:29 pm

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If you enter the runnerman's house on epona (simple put epona head inside the right post slowly lean left until you cant anymore then use a carrot) then all you do is warp to hylia lake and epona there and links invisible AND if you use arrowws or hookshot or C-up anywhere on the map it assumes you're under epona. I have tried useing this to get to other places (desert collosus included) but all i've found to work so far is lake hylia. again this is useless but it may help someday. I forgot to say that epona is stuck on the warp pad and as of posting this i cant get her down.

I'm pretty sure that would be deemed mysterious teleportation from your description.

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gannons castle

GANNON-BANNED

FIERCELINKMASTER

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FIERCELINKMASTER: 2006-01-14 06:42:05 pm

2006-01-14 06:35:57 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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ok i get it sorry i edited in the things

You sure did...

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Edit2: I get it now I'm sorry for using "Gannon" when it should be "gannondorf" and sorry also if i misspelled gannondorf's name

ROFL
Don't ask why.. Please just open your own Zelda Thread.
Name it:
Okyiama's Epona
Once you do we will all be very pleased with you. Wink

FIERCELINKMASTER

2006-01-14 08:34:03 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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im not even level two though!

yaujta(sp) is lvl 3 Sad

Just make the the thread already. Otherwise you will get beaten to death because you are consciously breaking the rules:
"deliberately refusing to get the point and just going round in circles adding no new stuff"
Plus if you do it I'll upgrade you to the Level 4 list.

illuminated

2006-01-14 08:49:23 pm

What are these levels you speak of? Man I'm so lost.
I want to contribute but everything keeps going back and forth. Guess I'll just have to be patient...

StrangenessDSS

2006-01-14 10:40:51 pm

Sleeping Terror

Okiyama - please stop posting so much and start reading instead. You're not being helpful.

I've deleted [some of] this latest tangent for being useless. I hope no one (Okiyama excluded) minds.

okiyama

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okiyama: 2006-01-16 12:59:32 pm

2006-01-15 03:08:05 am

The original leever.

thats ok I dont mind at all and sorry about all this stuff i've been "contributing" but not really anything new.

I'm just so lost and i have been reading since the 50th page i think.

edit: i made the okiyama's epona topic and i guess i'll stop talking here...

sorry for all the crap i said

EDIT: and okiyama's epona got locked so i got nowhere else to go... I'll just read I suppose

Pweisger

2006-01-15 06:21:11 am

PwNzRd!

I don't even want to fathom re-reading this entire thread.

FIERCELINKMASTER

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FIERCELINKMASTER: 2006-01-15 05:22:30 pm

2006-01-15 05:06:05 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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Okiyama - please stop posting so much and start reading instead. You're not being helpful.

I've deleted [some of] this latest tangent for being useless. I hope no one (Okiyama excluded) minds.

Strangness, you're doing an excellent job. Things have been alot better on SDA because of you Wink

Okiyama..things will continue to be alot better when I start redirecting certain people to your thread.
Okiyama's epona
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Now that we have a route (atleast for now)
We can work on speed tricks for Individual Levels.
Much like what Acryte was working on for the Deku Tree.
While a run is ready to be preformed now.. using tricks like the ones in the Deku Tree are what will make the run an unforgettable experince.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-01-16 02:39:07 pm

2006-01-16 12:13:56 pm

Speed is the key.

I got some speed tricks for dodongo's cavern, you might already know them, but TSA didn't use them in his 4:57 run, so anyway:

1) In the first hallway with baby dodongos, backrun all the way and backflip onto the ledge, slightly faster than climbing it.

2) In the room were you have to push an armos statue to reveal a ladder, just backflip onto the armos statue and then climb up onto the ledge and press the button, slighly faster than pushing the armos and climbing the ladder (if done correctly).

3) In the room with the floor spikes were you have to throw a bomb to blow a wall, you can easily throw the bomb to the ledge so that it stays there, then jump after it and run to the left so that you wont get hurt from the explosion. 2-3 seconds faster.

I hope you understand my explanation, unfortunately I don't have the means to put vids up.

Edit: I have the best route possible (AFAIK) for DC written down if anyone wants it... Ok, maybe not a route ::), but... fastest way to complete each room.
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As for the kid route, will you go for jabu-jabu before dodongo's cavern?

I got some speed tricks for dodongo's cavern, you might already know them, but TSA didn't use them in his 4:57 run, so anyway:

1) In the first hallway with baby dodongos, backrun all the way and backflip onto the ledge, slightly faster than climbing it.

2) In the room were you have to push an armos statue to reveal a ladder, just backflip onto the armos statue and then climb up onto the ledge and press the button, slighly faster than pushing the armos and climbing the ladder (if done correctly).

3) In the room with the floor spikes were you have to throw a bomb to blow a wall, you can easily throw the bomb to the ledge so that it stays there, then jump after it and run to the left so that you wont get hurt from the explosion. 2-3 seconds faster.

I hope you understand my explanation, unfortunately I don't have the means to put vids up.

Edit: I have the best route possible (AFAIK) for DC written down if anyone wants it... Ok, maybe not a route  ::), but... fastest way to complete each room.
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As for the kid route, will you go for jabu-jabu before dodongo's cavern?

FIERCELINKMASTER

2006-01-16 03:29:17 pm

No the Quail is not riding the Q

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Edit: I have the best route possible (AFAIK) for DC written down if anyone wants it... Ok, maybe not a route ::), but... fastest way to complete each room.
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As for the kid route, will you go for jabu-jabu before dodongo's cavern?

....why wouldn't I want it?
The dungeons will be preformed in order.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-01-16 04:17:20 pm

2006-01-16 03:47:28 pm

Speed is the key.

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....why wouldn't I want it?
The dungeons will be preformed in order.

Ok, I just thought that you already knew it and it would be uneccesary posting it... anyway, just tell me if there is something you don't understand.

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Dodongo's Cavern

-Pick up bomb flower, blow wall, enter main hall

-Backrun to ladder, climb ladder, pick up bomb flower, blow wall, enter next room

-Backrun through hallway, backflip up ledge, push armos statue on button, enter next room

-Backrun through hallway, enter next room

-Kill the lizalfos, enter next room

-Lit the torches, enter next room

-Backrun to button, press button, jump down to the right, side-hop past lava to minimize damage taken, climb ladder, enter door

-Backrun to bombflowers, pick up bombflower, place bomb in middle of bomb flowers, backflip up stairs, grab 20 rupees from pot (for diving game) (back)run to door, enter next room

-Kill the bats, backflip onto armos statue, climb onto ledge, press button, enter next room

-Backrun over first half of bridge, jump the gap, backrun to next room

-Skip Navi, climb block, jump to ledge, pick up bombflower, throw bomb to ledge, jump to ledge, wait til bomb explodes, enter next room

-Shoot eye, cross the gap, backrun through hallway, enter next room

-Kill the lizalfos, enter next room

-Shoot both eyes, cross the gap, enter next room

-Jump the gap, grab the bombs, enter next room

-Skip button, bomb dodongo eyes, enter next room

-Backrun into room, climb ledge to the right, backrun through hallway into next room

-Climb through the room, enter next room

-Push block into hole, enter next room

-Bomb the ground, fall down hole

-King Dodongo

This would be the ultimate way I think, some things might be too hard to do, but I have actually been able to beat TSA's DC time myself using this path. Most of it is the same old way, but there is some new stuff.

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....why wouldn't I want it?
The dungeons will be preformed in order.
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Ok, I just thought that you already knew it and it would be uneccesary posting it... anyway, just tell me if there is something you don't understand.

[quote]Dodongo's Cavern

-Pick up bomb flower, blow wall, enter main hall

-Backrun to ladder, climb ladder, pick up bomb flower, blow wall, enter next room

-Backrun through hallway, backflip up ledge, push armos statue on button, enter next room

-Backrun through hallway, enter next room

-Kill the lizalfos, enter next room

-Lit the torches, enter next room

-Backrun to button, press button, jump down to the right, side-hop past lava to minimize damage taken, climb ladder, enter door

-Backrun to bombflowers, pick up bombflower, place bomb in middle of bomb flowers, backflip up stairs, grab 20 rupees from pot (for diving game) (back)run to door, enter next room

-Kill the bats, backflip onto armos statue, climb onto ledge, press button, enter next room

-Backrun over first half of bridge, jump the gap, backrun to next room

-Skip Navi, climb block, jump to ledge, pick up bombflower, throw bomb to ledge, jump to ledge, wait til bomb explodes, enter next room

-Shoot eye, cross the gap, backrun through hallway, enter next room

-Kill the lizalfos, enter next room

-Shoot both eyes, cross the gap, enter next room

-Jump the gap, grab the bombs, enter next room

-Skip button, bomb dodongo eyes, enter next room

-Backrun into room, climb ledge to the right, backrun through hallway into next room

-Climb through the room, enter next room

-Push block into hole, enter next room

-Bomb the ground, fall down hole

-King Dodongo[/quote]

This would be the ultimate way I think, some things might be too hard to do, but I have actually been able to beat TSA's DC time myself using this path. Most of it is the same old way, but there is some new stuff.

Phallosvogel

2006-01-16 03:59:20 pm

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-Pick up bombflower, place bomb in middle of bomb flowers, backflip up stairs, grab 20 rupees from pot (for diving game)

why do we need the diving game? Huh?

YautjaElder

2006-01-16 04:02:53 pm

Speed is the key.

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why do we need the diving game? Huh?

If we don't use the golden scale bug, otherwise, just skip those 20 rupees.

Amazing Ampharos

2006-01-16 05:58:31 pm

Out of curiousity, what is the Golden Scale bug?

illuminated

2006-01-16 06:03:12 pm

They explain it in here somewhere. I tried to find it for you but...well...

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-01-16 06:35:41 pm

2006-01-16 06:06:21 pm

Speed is the key.

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Out of curiousity, what is the Golden Scale bug?

1) Go to fishing pond as a kid.
2) Catch the 10 pound fish that would get you a piece of heart.
3) Swim to the middle of the pond, then hold L+R (on gamecube) and walk up to the fisherman and talk to him.
4) Weight your fish.
5) Tadaa! Golden scale.

Edit: Here's a better explanation:

http://www.jaytheham.com/zc/oot.php?page=ootmc135.html

Edit: Wow, just wanted to say this... I've found a way to skip half of dodongo's cavern in master quest... but that's a different story. Roll Eyes

TSA

2006-01-16 07:03:00 pm

Retired

You can skip nearly half of every dungeon in Master Quest...the game is very broken.

killswitcher

2006-01-16 07:23:52 pm

I haven't been to the forums lately...TSA how's that LoZ run going?