Twilight Princess (GCN)

2007-02-17 04:18:24 am

The thing the Goron says with early MS (something along the lines of, you must've cheated your way here, something like that) needs to be worked around. Not in terms of finding a break, but in terms of giving Nintendo a big "FU".

What is the exact positioning of the invisible wall? Meaning, is right where the step is, or is it placed further back? I'm assuming someone has tried a sidehop and it hasnt worked. I tried bomb boosting through the hole in the side, but I couldn't get it, only because I can't bb for crap. Of course we don't HAVE bombs to begin with.

Someone earlier suggested we enter GM, then warp back to Faron woods, then get MS again. Few problems with that. First off, we couldn't warp there since we won't be in wolf form. Second, if we've already cleared FT, then we've already gotten that warp, and can't use the twilight messengers to get up there anyway. The only option I could see with this is use the messengers to get to FT early instead of going to MS, but I'm not sure looking just at the video if you can run around that whole area to get to FT.

The thing the Goron says with early MS (something along the lines of, you must've cheated your way here, something like that) needs to be worked around.  Not in terms of finding a break, but in terms of giving Nintendo a big "FU".

What is the exact positioning of the invisible wall?  Meaning, is right where the step is, or is it placed further back?  I'm assuming someone has tried a sidehop and it hasnt worked.  I tried bomb boosting through the hole in the side, but I couldn't get it, only because I can't bb for crap.  Of course we don't HAVE bombs to begin with.

Someone earlier suggested we enter GM, then warp back to Faron woods, then get MS again.  Few problems with that.  First off, we couldn't warp there since we won't be in wolf form.  Second, if we've already cleared FT, then we've already gotten that warp, and can't use the twilight messengers to get up there anyway.  The only option I could see with this is use the messengers to get to FT early instead of going to MS, but I'm not sure looking just at the video if you can run around that whole area to get to FT.

Amazing Ampharos

2007-02-17 04:33:01 am

Yeah, if you could just get over that, you could kill the bugs over there(be sure to leave a bug somewhere else so they aren't the last ones), clear the Forest Temple, then clear the twilight, then return after you have done your Goron Mines buisiness, but you'd have to do it after entering the Lanayru Province so you could be a wolf. Of course, you could warp to the South Faron Woods to save some time in that shenanagan. I'm pretty sure you could save some time that way since it would let you transform at will in Lakebed, would cut out going to get the Master Sword(so the excursion really is about breaking even), and would speed up the Morpheel fight. It's just an option, though it looks like the Goron's aren't a perfect barrier(you can kinda squeeze inbetween the two Gorons a bit). Glitching through would be ideal, of course, and I think if it's possible, you'd have to do it as a wolf(since you weren't intended to have the wolf there).

ELECTRONICS

2007-02-17 04:38:19 am

Nemo spelled backwards is Omen.

I don't understand what you guys are saying, instead of getting the MS, go to FS? Well theres a web there and you need the lantern. So you couldnt get in.

RoK NiNjA

2007-02-17 04:48:46 am

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Yeah, if you could just get over that, you could kill the bugs over there(be sure to leave a bug somewhere else so they aren't the last ones), clear the Forest Temple, then clear the twilight, then return after you have done your Goron Mines buisiness, but you'd have to do it after entering the Lanayru Province so you could be a wolf. Of course, you could warp to the South Faron Woods to save some time in that shenanagan. I'm pretty sure you could save some time that way since it would let you transform at will in Lakebed, would cut out going to get the Master Sword(so the excursion really is about breaking even), and would speed up the Morpheel fight. It's just an option, though it looks like the Goron's aren't a perfect barrier(you can kinda squeeze inbetween the two Gorons a bit). Glitching through would be ideal, of course, and I think if it's possible, you'd have to do it as a wolf(since you weren't intended to have the wolf there).

I don't think that's possible, because you need to be human Link to get into the FT, which requires all of the bugs to be collected or the MS early. Unless I'm misunderstanding something...

[quote]Yeah, if you could just get over that, you could kill the bugs over there(be sure to leave a bug somewhere else so they aren't the last ones), clear the Forest Temple, then clear the twilight, then return after you have done your Goron Mines buisiness, but you'd have to do it after entering the Lanayru Province so you could be a wolf.  Of course, you could warp to the South Faron Woods to save some time in that shenanagan.  I'm pretty sure you could save some time that way since it would let you transform at will in Lakebed, would cut out going to get the Master Sword(so the excursion really is about breaking even), and would speed up the Morpheel fight.  It's just an option, though it looks like the Goron's aren't a perfect barrier(you can kinda squeeze inbetween the two Gorons a bit).  Glitching through would be ideal, of course, and I think if it's possible, you'd have to do it as a wolf(since you weren't intended to have the wolf there).[/quote]

I don't think that's possible, because you need to be human Link to get into the FT, which requires all of the bugs to be collected or the MS early. Unless I'm misunderstanding something...

ZooM

2007-02-17 04:57:53 am

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Not to take credit away form YE, but I'm amazed at how people (myself included, in the past) think that this guy is the God of TP, when he has yet to show us anything past FT.

Imo, YautjaElder has a lot of fans because he's been playing Zelda for a longer time than you or Jiano, afaik. Imagine how bad it would be if TSA was planning a run. *shudders*

I don't know much about him or his run, but if he's willing to put forth that extra effort... then he's definitely the one who should be running the game, imo.

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No one gives Jiano (6:16) , myself (although I haven't posted my 6:19 time yet, so that's my fault) or Zoom (6:22) any credit. We SEEM to be the only ones consistently running the game

"Consistently"? Maybe you and Jiano. I rarely play and I never considered running it, at least not real speed running anyway. Ever since my first playthrough the game has gotten suprisingly boring and lackluster, and for me that is actually quite rare when I like it on my first playthrough.

TP is no OoT, that's for sure. It's been 8 years since OoT was released and I'm still impressed with it.

[quote]Not to take credit away form YE, but I'm amazed at how people (myself included, in the past) think that this guy is the God of TP, when he has yet to show us anything past FT.[/quote]

Imo, YautjaElder has a lot of fans because he's been playing Zelda for a longer time than you or Jiano, afaik. Imagine how bad it would be if TSA was planning a run. *shudders*

I don't know much about him or his run, but if he's willing to put forth that extra effort... then he's definitely the one who should be running the game, imo.

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No one gives Jiano (6:16) , myself (although I haven't posted my 6:19 time yet, so that's my fault) or Zoom (6:22) any credit.  We SEEM to be the only ones consistently running the game[/quote]

"Consistently"? Maybe you and Jiano. I rarely play and I never considered running it, at least not [i]real[/i] speed running anyway. Ever since my first playthrough the game has gotten suprisingly boring and lackluster, and for me that is actually quite rare when I like it on my first playthrough.

TP is no OoT, that's for sure. It's been 8 years since OoT was released and I'm still impressed with it.

Amazing Ampharos

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Amazing Ampharos: 2007-02-17 05:22:56 am

2007-02-17 05:21:41 am

You're right; that's not possible, and that's my bad. Um, I think the whole trick might just fall apart then. You need the wolf to skip the shadow beasts, and you need them to still be there for you to do the early MS(unless you can find another monster). It doesn't seem like you can get out of Faron without killing them or doing the early MS glitch.

peteyboo

2007-02-17 05:29:12 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

How about using the MS Early glitch to get over the barrier, getting the last two bugs, and then... I don't know. >_> It would be fun fighting them as a human.

nate

2007-02-17 05:45:08 am

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Not to take credit away form YE, but I'm amazed at how people (myself included, in the past) think that this guy is the God of TP, when he has yet to show us anything past FT. No one gives Jiano (6:16) , myself (although I haven't posted my 6:19 time yet, so that's my fault) or Zoom (6:22) any credit. We SEEM to be the only ones consistently running the game, and everyone just seems to be taking the approach "eh, that's great, YE will just destroy it", while YE is either starting over because he found a 2 second timesaver on a 12 minute segment, or "waiting a few months because I'm waiting for research to find if the 2 minute timesaver pays off."

I'm not complaining that I want attention or anything. Jiano has the best time so far, and has, so far an even better run up, and track record shows that he WILL finish it relatively soon,so he should be getting the attention. Yeah, YE has some damn good segments up. And yeah, I realize that with his "perfect" segments logically he'll have the best time. But just keep in mind, until he actually does that, Jiano is the best runner here.

BTW none of this is YE's elder's fault, he isn't promoting any of this. I WISH I had the patience to try segments over like he does, but I don't.

jiano's run was great. really appreciated it being put up. brought some joy to me over the past week.

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Not to take credit away form YE, but I'm amazed at how people (myself included, in the past) think that this guy is the God of TP, when he has yet to show us anything past FT.  No one gives Jiano (6:16) , myself (although I haven't posted my 6:19 time yet, so that's my fault) or Zoom (6:22) any credit.  We SEEM to be the only ones consistently running the game, and everyone just seems to be taking the approach "eh, that's great, YE will just destroy it", while YE is either starting over because he found a 2 second timesaver on a 12 minute segment, or "waiting a few months because I'm waiting for research to find if the 2 minute timesaver pays off."

I'm not complaining that I want attention or anything. Jiano has the best time so far, and has, so far an even better run up, and track record shows that he WILL finish it relatively soon,so he should be getting the attention.  Yeah, YE has some damn good segments up.  And yeah, I realize that with his "perfect" segments logically he'll have the best time.  But just keep in mind, until he actually does that, Jiano is the best runner here.

BTW none of this is YE's elder's fault, he isn't promoting any of this.  I WISH I had the patience to try segments over like he does, but I don't.[/quote]
jiano's run was great. really appreciated it being put up. brought some joy to me over the past week.

Lemon_Dr

2007-02-17 05:48:28 am

Lemon Dr likes Apples oddly enough

May I ask which page the videos were posted on? I like to see them myself.

laughing_gas

2007-02-17 06:01:33 am

Existence as you know it is over

everything is consolidated on the first page.

Lemon_Dr

2007-02-17 06:13:38 am

Lemon Dr likes Apples oddly enough

So... I'm just wondering.

Is there going to be two seperate runs for the two consoles?

Zurreco

2007-02-17 06:43:33 am

Just call me the cynicism machine

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So... I'm just wondering.

Is there going to be two seperate runs for the two consoles?

Yes. The quickspin alone makes the two games different enough.

Acryte

2007-02-17 06:48:21 am

Zelda Scientist®

so... corgoron refuses to sumo... even after you went and got the iron boots?

ELECTRONICS

2007-02-17 07:09:29 am

Nemo spelled backwards is Omen.

You can hit the Challenge option but nothing happens. So our only hope is to glitch through the gorons.

stanski

2007-02-17 08:28:59 am

wise fwom yo gwave

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So... I'm just wondering.

Is there going to be two seperate runs for the two consoles?

No, because no one is ever going to actually complete and submit a real run of the game for another year.

LinkYyay

2007-02-17 08:34:21 am

I did almost MS early, got that stupid jump after 50 tries, got overexcited and fell down. >_>

ELECTRONICS

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ELECTRONICS: 2007-02-17 09:11:41 am

2007-02-17 08:50:28 am

Nemo spelled backwards is Omen.

Is there a way to kill king bulbin without the bow?

EDIT: To whoever wanted to know. You can get to hyrule while faron is under twilight by getting up on the cliff.

peteyboo

2007-02-17 08:52:04 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

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I did almost MS early, got that stupid jump after 50 tries, got overexcited and fell down. >_>

Just wait until you get to the fence. o_o It'll be like a holiday once you're past that.

LinkYyay

2007-02-17 09:02:04 am

The first time I got up at the first jump, I didnt even got to the fence, I got overexcited and went OoB trough the wall =P
However im pretty skilled at the first jump now, can do it on every try.

LinkYyay

2007-02-17 09:59:28 am

I dont get it...
I have come to the second jump on the fence, how do you do these sidehops? :S

giacosomo

2007-02-17 10:54:56 am

IMRPRooVE UR SKiLLZ

Sidehop over the less slanted area to your right. From there it's easy as hell

freefang

2007-02-17 11:44:32 am

8((.)7(.))3

I went to hidden vilage early with AR, the cutcene with the goron paly's but there doesn't change a thing in the sumo room.

LinkYyay

2007-02-17 11:45:44 am

Okay, thanks.

Im going to try to see if it works to enter goron mines if done everything as you should expect the MS early thing.

Kazooie

2007-02-17 11:54:33 am

Zelda Rulez!

Sorry about this guys but you guys are talking about to get to Lanayru providence without beateng goron mines, or what you guys are talking about. Is there way to get past that invisible wall or are you guys gonna skip whole bow and how Huh?

Can someone please tell me Roll Eyes

Amazing Ampharos

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Amazing Ampharos: 2007-02-17 12:08:48 pm

2007-02-17 12:08:06 pm

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EDIT: To whoever wanted to know. You can get to hyrule while faron is under twilight by getting up on the cliff.

Hmm, you could use that to go to Eldin early, but that leads to the substantial problem of needing Iron Boots. You'd probably be able to get back to the Iron Boots with no problem, but either you'd get turned into a wolf on the way back to Eldin or wouldn't be allowed to exit Faron(and there's no way out of Faron in twilight as a human). I don't think you need the Gale Boomerang in the Goron Mines, but I could be mistaken. Argh, we are so close to making this trick work on so many levels, but every angle seems to have a little snag that catches it up.

Hmm, how does the Faron twilight respond as you try to enter it while riding Epona? The game might not be prepared to handle that instance(it shouldn't be possible to have Epona when Faron's in twilight at all), and it might be possible to just ride Epona from Eldin and get through that way. However, Epona might refuse to enter the twilight Faron Woods just like (s)he won't enter the twilight Lanayru.

If you can really get into Hyrule early using this same glitch, it might be worth it to see how far in Eldin you can make it like this. If you could get into Lanayru, you could clear it of twilight to return to being a human if Faron automatically makes you a wolf again which would result in an utterly ridiculous sequence that would probably still be faster than the default, especially if you could cut out half of the Forest Temple and the Goron Mines.

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EDIT: To whoever wanted to know. You can get to hyrule while faron is under twilight by getting up on the cliff.[/quote]

Hmm, you could use that to go to Eldin early, but that leads to the substantial problem of needing Iron Boots.  You'd probably be able to get back to the Iron Boots with no problem, but either you'd get turned into a wolf on the way back to Eldin or wouldn't be allowed to exit Faron(and there's no way out of Faron in twilight as a human).  I don't think you need the Gale Boomerang in the Goron Mines, but I could be mistaken.  Argh, we are so close to making this trick work on so many levels, but every angle seems to have a little snag that catches it up.

Hmm, how does the Faron twilight respond as you try to enter it while riding Epona?  The game might not be prepared to handle that instance(it shouldn't be possible to have Epona when Faron's in twilight at all), and it might be possible to just ride Epona from Eldin and get through that way.  However, Epona might refuse to enter the twilight Faron Woods just like (s)he won't enter the twilight Lanayru.

If you can really get into Hyrule early using this same glitch, it might be worth it to see how far in Eldin you can make it like this.  If you could get into Lanayru, you could clear it of twilight to return to being a human if Faron automatically makes you a wolf again which would result in an utterly ridiculous sequence that would probably still be faster than the default, especially if you could cut out half of the Forest Temple and the Goron Mines.