Totally confused as to what's allowed in capturing

2006-07-22 10:24:01 pm

I'm thinking of doing a speed run. I have a Leadtek Winfast TV2000 Expert capture card, which gives results I'm pretty happy. If I were to do a speed run, I'd want to capture in WMV format, as it yields the lowest file sizes, compresses as you go, and produces videos of an acceptable quality.

Honestly, I can't be bothered with Avisynth, lossless codecs, and all that bollocks. Please just tell me I can record in WMV format, using my own capture card's software and not VirtualDub?

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Joch

2006-07-22 10:24:47 pm

Sorry, missing word...

*happy with :-/

InsaneB4st4rd

2006-07-22 10:53:00 pm

Still alive...

.WMV won't be accepted. For further info on that subject you may want to use the search button on top of this page.

Radix

2006-07-22 11:29:32 pm

I'm addicted to games

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produces videos of an acceptable quality.

There you're wrong.

Joch

2006-07-22 11:48:51 pm

No, I'm not wrong. I'm watching somebody else's speed run right now, and a WMV video is about the same in quality as that.

For christ's sake, this is ridiculous. I can record in avi, but then the end file size will be so huge as to be undownloadable. Ditto mpg.

Honestly, I'm not prepared to go all that trouble to record a speed run, when I just press "record" at the beginning and "stop" at the end, and have a video that's as good in quality as the guy's video I'm watching right now.

Right. So can I record in avi, then? At, say, 320 x 240?

YautjaElder

2006-07-22 11:51:26 pm

Speed is the key.

Uh-oh...

Andrew_Mills

2006-07-22 11:52:29 pm

AlphaStrategyGui des.com

You have the same capture card as me (the Leadtek Winfast TV2000 Expert) and I'm more than happy to record it as Max quality MPEG2 (6mbps) and then convert it into a compressed .avi file for downloading.

What's so wrong with doung that? There's very little extra work involved, just extra time...

Joch

2006-07-22 11:59:37 pm

@Andrew Mills - That's fine!

I'm sorry; I really wasn't sure if I was meant to follow all the steps in the FAQ or not, which is a pretty long and complicated process, and I don't even have a VCR to record off...

If I can record my own way, that's fine, though...

The resulting file size (should be about 50-55 minutes in length) will turn out pretty huge, though...

ballofsnow

2006-07-23 12:35:25 am

Record at 6 mbps mpeg2, burn the files onto dvd-r and send it to Nate. He'll process it for you.

Joch

2006-07-23 01:20:05 am

Thanks. I guess I'll try mpeg2, then...

Any chance of Nate accepting +R discs, by any chance? Only I have about 30 of those, and 0 -R discs... :p

ballofsnow

2006-07-23 01:34:56 am

DVD+R should be fine.

nate

2006-07-23 03:03:52 am

yeah, just don't use the cheapest media you can find. definitely use name brand, preferably verbatim or taiyo yuden if you can get it, and avoid any kind of rewritable media.

Joch

2006-07-23 04:38:43 am

No worries, I've got Verbatim +R discs.

Thanks for the help!

Btw, just to let you know what game it is, it's Devil May Cry - I was thinking of trying to beat Wesley "Molotov" Corron's Normal mode time.

nate

2006-07-23 05:22:00 am

go go go!

Psychochild

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Psychochild: 2006-07-23 05:24:46 am

2006-07-23 05:24:28 am

If anyone can do it, it'd either be Sternn or Joch. And seeing as how Sternn is still recording commentary tracks for his and working on another project at the same time...

GO! GO! GO!

Joch

2006-07-23 05:36:00 am

Hey, thanks! Smiley

*goes! goes! goes! :p*

Heh, it's funny, really - Psychochild's run has kind of made me want to do a speed run for ages now, because his Vergil DMC3 run was pretty ace - and now I've finally got an opportunity :p

grndino

2006-07-23 06:14:31 am

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avoid any kind of rewritable media.

uh-oh...why?

nate

2006-07-23 06:20:14 am

its compatibility is poor (liable to suddenly stop working if it works at all, either in your unit or in mine).

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-07-23 06:45:02 am

2006-07-23 06:42:57 am

Visit my profile to see my runs!

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its compatibility is poor (liable to suddenly stop working if it works at all, either in your unit or in mine).

....Shit. And I was so happy when I bought my DVD-RW's a week ago...

How does anyone get anything decent recorded with two hours of a DVD-R(-/+)? And with that question, I'm not arguing with nate; I'm just frustrated at myself with how many discs I've wasted with my last few runs and wishing I could just sit down and get a solid run recorded within the imposed time constraint of the discs...

Maybe I can figure out a way to copy from one DVD to another with my recorder and someone else's DVD player...

nate

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nate: 2006-07-23 06:47:08 am

2006-07-23 06:46:36 am

well, recording on them is fine so long as they're compatible with your recorder. i don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home. i just need the files submitted on something more compatible (uploading the .vob files to one of our servers would mitigate the entire physical media issue).

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-07-23 06:56:12 am

2006-07-23 06:56:00 am

Visit my profile to see my runs!

"Transferring from an external device (including DVD players)... page 57." Nevermind. Grin

(Yeah, I'd upload were it not for the copious virtual memory issues on my computer). Sorry to thread-hijack.

darkwasabi

2006-07-23 06:31:43 pm

King of hearts

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No, I'm not wrong. I'm watching somebody else's speed run right now, and a WMV video is about the same in quality as that.

For christ's sake, this is ridiculous. I can record in avi, but then the end file size will be so huge as to be undownloadable. Ditto mpg.

Honestly, I'm not prepared to go all that trouble to record a speed run, when I just press "record" at the beginning and "stop" at the end, and have a video that's as good in quality as the guy's video I'm watching right now.

Right. So can I record in avi, then? At, say, 320 x 240?

I know this is old, but I don't want people to get the wrong idea with what's going on in the FAQ thinking that some things are too complicated and/or unnecessary for its worth. The reason why you have to record first in a lossless codec is so that you have the highest possible quality when encoding to all the qualities. Transcoding = bad. Second is that you can't just record in your final output because you need more than just one quality. You might think that you can record in IQ first and use that for the rest, but again, transcoding = bad.

[quote]No, I'm not wrong. I'm watching somebody else's speed run right now, and a WMV video is about the same in quality as that.

For christ's sake, this is ridiculous. I can record in avi, but then the end file size will be so huge as to be undownloadable. Ditto mpg.

Honestly, I'm not prepared to go all that trouble to record a speed run, when I just press "record" at the beginning and "stop" at the end, and have a video that's as good in quality as the guy's video I'm watching right now.

Right. So can I record in avi, then? At, say, 320 x 240? [/quote]

I know this is old, but I don't want people to get the wrong idea with what's going on in the FAQ thinking that some things are too complicated and/or unnecessary for its worth.  The reason why you have to record first in a lossless codec is so that you have the highest possible quality when encoding to all the qualities.  Transcoding = bad.  Second is that you can't just record in your final output because you need more than just one quality.  You might think that you can record in IQ first and use that for the rest, but again, transcoding = bad.

nate

2006-07-23 06:50:40 pm

things would be a lot simpler if we just eliminated the encoding parts of the faq (or moved them elsewhere) and had the default faq just be about dvd recorders.