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Yarr
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yeah, one problem is though that my mission end to pickpocketing ramirez. I wonder if I need to switch to individiual runs.

Go for it! Grin

I think the mission objectives are different for normal difficulty, so that's why you can finish the mission in the basement. It's like in the first 3 missions, you have to get back to the start on expert (and hard?).
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Rogston: 2008-11-17 11:07:59 am
Well I changed the topic to be more precise, for individual runs we need two categories:
Normal runs, No buying at the beginning.
Money exploit runs, These runs will be faster than normal runs on those maps which have speedpotions avaivable. (unlimited money in the beginning)

I'll start planning these runs right away.

I also wonder if I could get the original assassin work on my thief if I just get the original MISS4.MIS and MISS04.OSM file...

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It's like in the first 3 missions, you have to get back to the start on expert (and hard?).

Yeah, they both require you to escape before mission ends. Only difference most missions on hard and expert difficulties is that you need gather more money and ofcoure you will not be allowed to kill anyone at expert.
Yarr
You already have the original level files. >_> I think mission 4 is the same in TDP and Gold. I was thinking you were playing Gold, because I had been watching YouTube videos to see what the Thief 1 missions are like, and the description of an Assassins walkthrough said: 'This is Thief Gold not Dark Project so I didn't have to go back to my own neighborhood'.
bit update here:
The Sword - 1m 49s ( http://hartzone.kicks-ass.org/speedrun/THIEF_M5_1m49s_lq.avi ) , good run overall. Very technical map and my plan to knock the front guard down and pickup the gold from him on my way back saves alot of time.

Also I will be doing these individual runs with my friend Saunachum and the level divide goes like this:
Bafford - me
Cragscleft - me
Bonehoard - me
Assassins - me
Sword - me
Cathedral - me
Lost city - Saunachum
Undercover - Saunachum
Return to the Cathedral - Saunachum
Escape! - Saunachum
Strange Bedfellows - Saunachum
Maw of Chaos - both

with this divide I believe that we get higher quality runs!  Smiley

I will be posting big updates on this thread. You can check smaller updates on my website http://hartzone.kicks-ass.org/
Also you can contact me from that website by leaving a message on the messageboard.
Yarr
Hmm, I noticed that some of your videos contain distorted frames, seen as a white flash. This one is from The Sword. Any idea what's causing this? And are you going to run Thief 2 after you guys are finished with this?

The news posts on you site are in the wrong order.
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Any idea what's causing this?

x264 frameskipping causes this sometimes (there is no flickering in source vid)

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And are you going to run Thief 2 after you guys are finished with this?

Atm we both are not really familiar with thief2. We will think about it when our run is finished Smiley

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The news posts on you site are in the wrong order.

Yeah I edited the page few weeks ago and I haven't had enough time to finish it.
Update again,
The Haunted Cathedral - 2m 29s , this is very random map: monsters go wherever they want and the route is very complex. Still a good time although I bump into a burrick (which isn't usually standing there  :-\).
The Escape - 1m 11s , Saunachum's first run and its solid. It's impossible to run this map without hitting into creeps. With perfect timing and some luck 1m 10s is possible.
Total time now is 16m 13s when 7 maps are done (5 left) and we have 4m 10s lead from Simulation's speedrun.

I also want to note that Thief gold version's "The lost city"-map allows you to end the level with just fire talisman, but in original you need both so that map WILL have longer run.
Yarr
Your friend should take a look at this run, it takes 1:14 using a different route and less bunnyhopping, and someone commented on it that it can be done even faster using a different route (but not the route that you used). If he could optimize it, it could be even faster.
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Your friend should take a look at this run, it takes 1:14 using a different route and less bunnyhopping, and someone commented on it that it can be done even faster using a different route (but not the route that you used). If he could optimize it, it could be even faster.

Thanks from the tip, but eventually it doesnt improve the time really well. Main problem is that at the end of the level are too many enemies blocking if you are running under the 1m 10s. I hope that we can find some way to distract the monsters away or jump over them Smiley

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I also want to note that Thief gold version's "The lost city"-map allows you to end the level with just fire talisman, but in original you need both so that map WILL have longer run.

Forget it, Saunachum has gold version 8)
Yarr
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Forget it, Saunachum has gold version 8)

If you're doing the regular missions and Saunachum the Gold ones, there would be two categories unless the regular missions you run are exactly the same in Gold.
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Rogston: 2008-11-25 01:00:09 pm
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If you're doing the regular missions and Saunachum the Gold ones, there would be two categories unless the regular missions you run are exactly the same in Gold.

As far I know the original levels are identical also in gold version. Im currently working with Saunachum to transfer this to a Thief Gold run since there is no precise information on the difference of these two games. The runs I've done so far are identical with gold version so I think they are ok.

Also final times:
Bafford - 38s
Cragscleft ME - 2m 44s
Bonehoard - 2m 28s
Assassins - 4m 38s
Yarr
According to Wikipedia:
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Thief Gold features numerous bug fixes and enhancements on the original game with many missions having their guard placements and patterns changed, areas retextured, and some missions gaining whole new areas. It also adds three new missions, fulfilling the original intent of the designers to have one mission per talisman.


You could either do two different runs or you could both do the same, just lend TDP to Saunachum or get the Gold version from him.
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You could either do two different runs or you could both do the same, just lend TDP to Saunachum or get the Gold version from him.

At first I thought that he had just gold version... Luckily he had both so we are running TDP, sorry for the misinformation.  :-[

We are currently aiming to do TDP under 30min which heavily depends on if we can exploit Maw of chaos. otherwise we are really close archieving this since I've already runned first half of the game under 15min and Saunachum just finished running escape with amazing speed of 1m 7s (http://hartzone.kicks-ass.org/speedrun/THIEF_M10_1m7s.avi).  Smiley
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Poesta: 2008-11-26 11:32:11 am
Yarr
At the end of the run the fps counter shows 75, Saunachum shouldn't record at any higher than 60 fps because the game will run faster. The end time will be the same unless you have to wait for a conversation (like in Thief 2 in Eavesdropping), but this way he's giving himself a disadvantage. The easiest way to do this is by setting his monitor's refresh rate to 60 Hz. Your movies show 60 fps so that should be fine, although I haven't checked if the assassins walk at the same speed as they do in your run.

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ME = Money Exploit

Did I miss something?

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>_> whats up with those eights 8D

I have no idea, but you should get 0:38 on Bafford's! Grin
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Did I miss something?

I bought all speed potions in Cragscleft. Other map which has ME is Strange bedfellows and probably lost city.

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I have no idea, but you should get 0:38 on Bafford's!

Actually I did Cheesy so close of getting 37

and yeah thanks from the fps tip, I didn't even realize this although I knew that high fps just speeds the game up.

over 1000 fps Grin
Yarr
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I bought all speed potions in Cragscleft. Other map which has ME is Strange bedfellows and probably lost city.

How did you do that? You know modifying the game files is not allowed right?

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Actually I did Cheesy so close of getting 37

Too bad it's in high res. >_>

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over 1000 fps Grin

Is that your PC? There is a widescreen patch available for Thief which lets you change the resolution and field of view, but you have to ask one of the admins for permission because it's made by a third party. I personally can't stand playing games with a fov of 90° on a widescreen, but that's just me. If your monitor supports it, you could also turn on the autoscale or whatever it's called, so that Thief gets pillarboxed.
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Rogston: 2008-11-27 02:46:17 pm
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How did you do that? You know modifying the game files is not allowed right?

You can either edit start money on a save file (is classified as gamefile? It doesn't affect on the level at any way, Also we don't save in missions so it doesn't affect on mission goals or gameplay.) or collect needed money on the previous level. Only level which needs editing save file is Cragscleft because it's practically impossible to gather money for three speedpotions. If it's not ok with the rules or is considered rude I can do a two speedpotion run. It will be just same run but bit slower. Also Money Exploit runs are classified different as the normal runs and we both are doing the fastest possible runs on every map.  Smiley
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Too bad it's in high res. >_>

It's highres cause I'm already testing encoding for the final runs.
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Is that your PC?

Yeap. I've already got used to the widescreen fov so no need to install patch.
Yarr
An exploit is more like leaning through doors and stuff, but this is just cheating imho. I know you're trying to run each mision as fast as you can, but you shouldn't resort to editing the game/save files. People know that you can't actually get the same total time of all the individual missions combined, unless they were done as a segmented/SS run.
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Rogston: 2008-11-28 03:22:41 am
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An exploit is more like leaning through doors and stuff, but this is just cheating imho.

We should call them just money runs then.
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but you shouldn't resort to editing the game/save files

Cragscleft money run 2m 46s , with 2 speedpotions and yeah no editing anymore.

offnote: Constantine is the man , too bad that he seems to be immune to everything we try to do at him
Yarr
So with the extra speed potion you only gained two seconds? Mmm...

I saw the new times on your site. Now there's only two missions left. Grin How did Saunachum improve The Maw of Chaos so much? Is it because The Trickster's spell takes less time on the English version?
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Rogston: 2008-11-29 10:40:56 am
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So with the extra speed potion you only gained two seconds? Mmm...

Well the part which I decided to do without speedpotion proved to be almost as fast as with speedpotion, because when you have long jumping parts you can almost match the speed but not in acceleration.

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How did Saunachum improve The Maw of Chaos so much? Is it because The Trickster's spell takes less time on the English version?

Actually I did run Maw of Chaos. Most improvement is that I go the beginning part at full speed, Simulation does some unnecessary things (for instance picking those fruits before the ice tower). German audio also takes bit longer.

Also note that the run release might come sooner than I expected
Edit: total time 29m 52s , I hope that SaunaChum can pull that 8s lost city  Grin Grin Grin
Speedrun is done.
Just need to encode and upload them.

Going to put more info in the first post  Roll Eyes
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Rogston: 2008-12-01 09:27:44 am
Now we have stream links avaivable in first post.
Also encoding high quality videos atm  8)

Please tell here if you liked the vids! (or if you didn't)
unemployed Dragon
love the speedpotion jump trick in bonehoard Cheesy
Yarr
Nice. Too bad I won't be able to verify this, as I haven't played all of the missions myself (yet). SaunaChum wasted a little time on the elevator on RTC. If he could improve that by one second, Bafford's and RTC would have the same time. Grin