The Missadventurees of Tronne Bonne

2011-09-27 03:29:42 pm

I am currently attempting to speed run the game, and was wondering if anyone else is so I could share ideas

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2011-09-27 04:10:03 pm

I am aiming for a time under 90 mins, and after initial route planning i believe i can make this time in a multi segmented run. I managed to get under 60 minutes, with only 2 missions to go before tronne as well gets captured. However I released I could get this time down even further by doing the first set of cargo mission (rounds 1-9) and getting the fireworks for the gatteling gun, as this will let me have the gatteling gun for the bank missons

rickyjay

2011-09-27 07:09:36 pm

tried getting the gun before the bank missions, and although it did work out faster and i made less mistake no actual time was saved as it was easier without using the Gatling gun. I'm currently trying also get to this point with the beginning gun

rickyjay

2011-09-27 07:36:34 pm

up till this part it is in deed faster with no upgrades

PJ

2011-09-27 07:52:23 pm

Is PJ

You should try using the "edit" button next time.

rickyjay

2011-09-27 07:55:28 pm

really? dam

Axel Ryman

2011-09-27 08:32:21 pm

We all scream for Eyes Cream

Why are you using the Gatling Arm? The Bazooka is better. Plus you gotta beat 40 minutes, otherwise you won't get an accept from some of the verifiers.

cyghfer

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cyghfer: 2011-09-27 09:24:50 pm

2011-09-27 09:18:47 pm

Thee Missadveenturees of Tronnee Bonnee !
-SellMeARickyjay

Rakuen

2011-09-27 09:42:23 pm

Weegee Time

Original planning thread (sub-50): http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/tron_bonne_run.html
Thread where sub-40 is quoted: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/m_a_o_tron_bonne_4249.html

You've got your work cut out for you, but I'd love to see a good Tron Bonne run get into verification.

ZenicReverie

2011-09-27 10:44:19 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

Quote from Rakuen:

Thread where sub-40 is quoted: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/m_a_o_tron_bonne_4249.html

and this is why people should always post their routes.

PJ

2011-09-27 11:20:14 pm

Is PJ

Obdajr still runs this game. I was waiting for his to chime in on it.

ZenicReverie

2011-09-27 11:26:45 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

Well, even so, it'd be helpful for rickyjay to take a look at a good route.

obdajr

2011-09-29 02:56:42 pm

Hi! im glad some1 else wants to run this game! (i need to check the forums more often...) I stream this game sometimes, and usually get around 41 minutes in game time. check out my earlier thread for my route, though its a bit updated now. pretty much do all the gustaff missions, and use the bazooka to beat the latter missions. getting an attack upgrade on #1 helps considerably, as its gained early and shaves a ton of time off bosses. ive recently stopped getting the speed upgrade, as it only really saves time on the very last fight, and not 2:30 worth. ill try to check this thread often, so any questions or strats can go here. try to catch my stream sometime though, im on the w00ty page.

obdajr

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2011-09-29 03:34:46 pm

hmm neither of those links has my route, though it is similar to SirKaid's. ill just throw down the basics

Updated 10/04/2011

Intro: Skip all cutscenes obviously, avoid the sandpit, and ignore all enemies and cave holes. Grab the rock that you need to and carry it all the way to the big reaverbot. kills it in one hit.
Glide: strafe shot him to death, the rocks do very little damage.

Bank 1: remember to switch servbots: sniper stays as #1, others: 2,3,30,31,34,37. If armor ends up being skipped ( and i think it should be ), then the armor guy can be replaced with another bot with 2 attack and 2 speed. # 4 or #5 fit that role i believe.
Rob and destroy hospital, two houses on the right, and the two houses down the road. Throwing trees at buildings is about the same speed as stutter shooting, and only if the trees are easy to grab and throw. Should reach 50k after robbing the last house.
Denise: pick up her car and throw it at her (target throw).

gym: talk to servbot walking in background for red head parts, train #1 for attack. (~3:30)
hq: give #1 red head parts

Bank 2: Must upgrade the brains of #30, #31 and #34 for cheaper upgrades. these actions should be enough to do so, while picking up some extra cash. Only rob the hospital, the blue house on the right and one of the two houses down the road (either is fine). this should be enough to both meet the money quota and increase the brains of the bazooka and tank guy. beacon bomb the first 6 police cars for lights and tires (worth a lot towards upgrades). the 3 speed guy comes in handy here for shaking the grey trucks.
Denise: back up and throw trees at her as much as possible. ideally 2 trees and no flips. to make it easier you can beacon bomb her, and she'll stop to throw a servbot.

Ruins 1: goal: pipe! At first fork turn right, then left. Loot only from large enemies and dont get sidetracked. Stutter shot the antlion while running around him. when you enter the room with the pipe, beacon bomb the chest and turn around immediatly. the servbots will open the chest while you're retreating.

lab: buy bazooka and 2 Life tanks. use 6 tires on the life tanks to make them free, and everything else you have to reduce the cost of the bazooka down by a bunch.

Bank3: Shoot the buildings with the bazooka until they are 1/2 destroyed. if you jump on them in this state, they will break. In the second area, destroy the turrets and grab the 5000 zenny each drops.
Denise: hold down shoot as the fight starts to do crazy dmg to her. beacon bomb her after shes done throwing boxes at you and shoot her. should be dead or near to it at this point. (shoot 3, beacon, shoot one)

Ruins 2: goal 1m zenny thing. Go straight for it with no detours. Make sure to collect all dropped zennie for larger reaverbots.
Big Frog: stand on the left leg and prioritise shooting down the bombs that fly at you. they hurt.
After this mission make sure you have 1,610,000Z ( F1:150,000 + F2:400,000 + F3: 840,000 = 1,390,000 ). Any less and you'll fall short. Yes you can sell stuff in the storage room, but the run isnt that long, you might as well just reset.

Farm 1: This one isnt that hard. remember to shoot the pigs with the beacon bomb once the previous one has been caught. In the second section, run to the far end of the farm first and snag the pigs in reverse order. that way they all get to the truck at around the same time.
Boss: target fire and shoot at medium range. These things can be a little annoying.

Farm 2: Run straight to the second area. beacon a cow, target the egg bots and kill them quickly. beacon the second cow and kill the eggs again. this takes practice. go WEST to the next area, which is easy. Just remember to shoot the farmer.
Boss: really? (hold L2 and shoot)

Farm 3: (I hate this mission so much...) nab the first 2 horses in area 1, and run to area 2. Here... i dunno... try to get lucky or something... (if anyone has a good way of nabbing these 2 horses id love to know). Run EAST to area 3. Nab these horses.
BOSS: farm 1 boss + Farm 2 boss = still stupidly easy.

Final Mission: don't shoot anything and jump over the snow plow things.
Glide: jump around him and shoot. not really sure if anything else needs to be said.
Collossas 1: not sure about the best route for unplugging him, but this is what i do. beacon the head, grab the nearest pole. jump down to the ground level, throw it at another pole (theres a way to kill two at once by standing near one and throwing it at another, buty sometimes you get neither.) then alternate go up, grab a pole, beacon head, go down.
Collossas 2: jump around him and shoot. note that for both forms, he does a ton of dmg. if you have no armor, heal after every hit. if you do have armor, heal after 2 hits.

ive messsed around with doing the container instead, but they take a lot longer.

hmm neither of those links has my route, though it is similar to SirKaid's. ill just throw down the basics

Updated 10/04/2011

Intro: Skip all cutscenes obviously, avoid the sandpit, and ignore all enemies and cave holes. Grab the rock that you need to and carry it all the way to the big reaverbot. kills it in one hit.
Glide: strafe shot him to death, the rocks do very little damage.

Bank 1: remember to switch servbots: sniper stays as #1, others: 2,3,30,31,34,37. If armor ends up being skipped ( and i think it should be ), then the armor guy can be replaced with another bot with 2 attack and 2 speed. # 4 or #5 fit that role i believe.
Rob and destroy hospital, two houses on the right, and the two houses down the road. Throwing trees at buildings is about the same speed as stutter shooting, and only if the trees are easy to grab and throw. Should reach 50k after robbing the last house. 
Denise: pick up her car and throw it at her (target throw).
   
gym: talk to servbot walking in background for red head parts, train #1 for attack. (~3:30)
hq: give #1 red head parts

Bank 2: Must upgrade the brains of #30, #31 and #34 for cheaper upgrades. these actions should be enough to do so, while picking up some extra cash. Only rob the hospital, the blue house on the right and one of the two houses down the road (either is fine). this should be enough to both meet the money quota and increase the brains of the bazooka and tank guy. beacon bomb the first 6 police cars for lights and tires (worth a lot towards upgrades). the 3 speed guy comes in handy here for shaking the grey trucks.
Denise: back up and throw trees at her as much as possible. ideally 2 trees and no flips. to make it easier you can beacon bomb her, and she'll stop to throw a servbot.

Ruins 1: goal: pipe! At first fork turn right, then left. Loot only from large enemies and dont get sidetracked. Stutter shot the antlion while running around him. when you enter the room with the pipe, beacon bomb the chest and turn around immediatly. the servbots will open the chest while you're retreating.

lab: buy bazooka and 2 Life tanks. use 6 tires on the life tanks to make them free,  and everything else you have to reduce the cost of the bazooka down by a bunch.

Bank3: Shoot the buildings with the bazooka until they are 1/2 destroyed. if you jump on them in this state, they will break. In the second area, destroy the turrets and grab the 5000 zenny each drops.
Denise: hold down shoot as the fight starts to do crazy dmg to her. beacon bomb her after shes done throwing boxes at you and shoot her. should be dead or near to it at this point. (shoot 3, beacon, shoot one)

Ruins 2: goal 1m zenny thing. Go straight for it with no detours. Make sure to collect all dropped zennie for larger reaverbots.
Big Frog: stand on the left leg and prioritise shooting down the bombs that fly at you. they hurt. 
After this mission make sure you have 1,610,000Z ( F1:150,000 + F2:400,000 + F3: 840,000 = 1,390,000 ). Any less and you'll fall short. Yes you can sell stuff in the storage room, but the run isnt that long, you might as well just reset.

Farm 1: This one isnt that hard. remember to shoot the pigs with the beacon bomb once the previous one has been caught. In the second section, run to the far end of the farm first and snag the pigs in reverse order. that way they all get to the truck at around the same time.
Boss: target fire and shoot at medium range. These things can be a little annoying.

Farm 2: Run straight to the second area. beacon a cow, target the egg bots and kill them quickly. beacon the second cow and kill the eggs again. this takes practice. go WEST to the next area, which is easy. Just remember to shoot the farmer.
Boss: really? (hold L2 and shoot)

Farm 3: (I hate this mission so much...) nab the first 2 horses in area 1, and run to area 2. Here... i dunno... try to get lucky or something... (if anyone has a good way of nabbing these 2 horses id love to know). Run EAST to area 3. Nab these horses.
BOSS: farm 1 boss + Farm 2 boss = still stupidly easy.

Final Mission: don't shoot anything and jump over the snow plow things. 
Glide: jump around him and shoot. not really sure if anything else needs to be said.
Collossas 1: not sure about the best route for unplugging him, but this is what i do. beacon the head, grab the nearest pole. jump down to the ground level, throw it at another pole (theres a way to kill two at once by standing near one and throwing it at another, buty sometimes you get neither.) then alternate go up, grab a pole, beacon head, go down.
Collossas 2: jump around him and shoot. note that for both forms, he does a ton of dmg. if you have no armor, heal after every hit. if you do have armor, heal after 2 hits.

ive messsed around with doing the container instead, but they take a lot longer.

rickyjay

2011-09-30 02:19:33 am

Howcome? I didnt think there was a run in this game?

rickyjay

2011-09-30 02:20:26 am

oh tbanks ^_^

rickyjay

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rickyjay: 2011-09-30 02:41:59 am

2011-09-30 02:20:59 am

and you can actually run under the big reaver bot!!

okay, will do

Exo

2011-09-30 02:41:26 am

Sandbagging

@rickyjay: Please use the edit button next time :s

obdajr

2011-09-30 02:43:16 am

its true that you can run under it, but you have to throw the stone sometime, so you might as well just smash it's face. maybe if you can take it into the cutscene, that would save like 1/3 a second. ill try it out. also, there's no run on the site because no1 has spent a ton of time optimising i guess... there just hasnt been enough people who know anything about it =D

rickyjay

2011-09-30 02:46:00 am

oh okay. That's I wondered if anyone was actually running it, since there was nothing on the knowledge base, but know i know. Thanks alot for the route, the route I was planning would have come out at about 60 mins

obdajr

2011-09-30 02:49:56 am

np ill edit the route soon, i kinda rushed it. i'm doing some testing on stream currently. trying to eliminate the need for the armor, and looking into getting the attack cube in the ruins to replace doing the terrible minigame. w/o the armor though, the last boss 2 shots you.. so practice is necessary.

rickyjay

2011-09-30 02:51:06 am

yeah is the same with the frog boss, if he shoots you your a gonner as well. So is it just you and me who is trying to get a run done?

obdajr

2011-09-30 02:52:59 am

i believe axel ryman also expressed interest in the game as well. if i get like a 38 i'd probably submit it.

rickyjay

2011-09-30 02:54:41 am

okay, gl ^_^ keep me updated please, if you wouldnt mind

obdajr

2011-10-04 02:26:42 pm

I updated the route with a bunch more information.

Some general tips:

running: unlike megaman legends, running diagonally is not faster. also you want to avoid touching walls as much as possible.

normal buster stutter shooting: want to shoot more than 3 shots at a time? if you interupt your recovery while shooting and straifing, by letting go of the sholder button (or directional buttons if you're using the bad control mapping), you shoot again from a straight walking stance immediatly. at this point you can straife again and shoot 3 more shots. so it goes.... blip....blip....blip,blip,blip...blip...blip,blip,blip...
something like that. this is a good way to do a lot more dmg witht the normal buster that is intended. useful for killinig buildings, and killing larger reaverbots.

Bazooka shots: if you jump and shoot the bazooka, you do not have to be stationary. moving and shooting is a basic speedrunning rule.

skipping text: holding triangle skips text at the fastest rate. however during post mission debriefings, you must also mash X to continue the text.

skipping scenes: press start to skip most cutscenes. be sure not to press it too many timies, because going to the menu wastes time.

I updated the route with a bunch more information.

Some general tips:

running: unlike megaman legends, running diagonally is not faster. also you want to avoid touching walls as much as possible.

normal buster stutter shooting: want to shoot more than 3 shots at a time? if you interupt your recovery while shooting and straifing, by letting go of the sholder button (or  directional buttons if you're using the bad control mapping), you shoot again from a straight walking stance immediatly. at this point you can straife again and shoot 3 more shots. so it goes.... blip....blip....blip,blip,blip...blip...blip,blip,blip...
something like that. this is a good way to do a lot more dmg witht the normal buster that is intended. useful for killinig buildings, and killing larger reaverbots.

Bazooka shots: if you jump and shoot the bazooka, you do not have to be stationary. moving and shooting is a basic speedrunning rule.

skipping text: holding triangle skips text at the fastest rate. however during post mission debriefings, you must also mash X to continue the text.

skipping scenes: press start to skip most cutscenes. be sure not to press it too many timies, because going to the menu wastes time.