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So, I'm not actually planning on making a run to submit to SpeedDemosArchive, but I DO wish to do a Let's Play in which I 100% the game as fast I can in a reliable manner. And I figured that while I was doing that, my routes and strategies might also help anyone who DOES want to do a 100% run of these games. So, here's the route I cooked up so far, represented by some slightly edited notes marked below video links to TheonlyO's Any% Oracle of Ages run, off of whom my dungeon strategies are based off of...
Part 1: http://www.twitch.tv/theonly0/b/323923881
Part 2: http://www.twitch.tv/theonly0/b/323934694
I'm guessing the big ol' wall of text that are my notes aren't terribly exciting to look at though, so, I'll post some videos of the run I've already done using this route so you guys can see for yourself. May make it easier on any runner trying to either make a run on my work, or improve upon my route, you know?
The Legend of Zelda Oracle of Ages:
Eternal Spirit:
1) Proceed through the story as normal until you get the Shovel. Get the Piece of Heart, and get Gasha Seed from farmer.
Equipment: De-Equip Shovel before Ember.
2) Plant Gasha seed in Graveyard patch on the way to Dungeon 1. Get Lvl-1 Power Ring and proceed as normal until you get the Power Bracelet, then Save + Quit to get to boss faster.
Ancient Wood:
1) Get Poe Clock, then enter Ring Shop and appraise Lvl-1 Power Ring. Trade Poe Clock then Mail on the way to fairy forest.
2) Right, Down, fairy, left, up, down, up, down, up, fairy, up, fairy, and DONE!
3) Save + Quit after lifting up stone, and get Harp of Time.
4) Trade items, plant Gasha Seed near outhouse and get Heart Piece and Gasha Seed on the way to Strange Seeds.
5) You know the two places to Save + Quit on.
Echoing Howl:
1) Plant Gasha Seed and get Heart Piece in Talus Peaks, talk to Cheval, warp to present, and get items with Moosh.
2) Get Gasha prize from graveyard, get Ricky's Glove, go back to past, get Gasha prize next to outhouse, talk to kid, and get Tingle's Map before Save + Quitting again.
3) Get Shovel, Sword, get Power Bracelet, items and Gasha Seed, Roc's feather, items, Power Bracelet, item, get Power Bracelet back, get Harp of Time, plant Scent Seed Tree, and enter present.
4) Give Stink Bag to Tokay, get Scent Seeds, get shovel back, and enter Dungeon 3.
5) Keep switching first crystal until you get Seed Shooter, and finally get first crystal, then last crystal.
Burning Flame:
1) Get Strange Flute, give meat to Happy Mask Salesman, down, up, down, up to find Dimitri. Pick up Dimitri, throw him down and make sure he's firmly on the ground before giving Dog Mask to Mammamu the dog lady, and talk to bridge man.
2) Find 1st bridge man, get ring from waterfall, then plant Gasha Seed in Ruun Plains before getting the rest of the men.
3) Talk to Tuni guardian, give dumbbell to slim jim, go to northeast house, go to northwest, get song from artist, and Save + Quit to get to Heart Piece slightly faster.
4) Switch water channels, get Bigger Bomb Bag, push seed plant, and go repair Tuner. Warp back to village, and enter Dungeon 4.
5) Go to left side and Save + Quit once you get key.
6) In floating pot room, don't hookshot pots, but jump from platforms as the pots are.
Sacred Soil:
1) Travel to past, go to center of village, travel into future, give Cheesy Mustache to comic, go into the past, give Jokebook to sullen kid, get Gasha prize and replant Gasha.
2) Plant Gasha near Goron Cave, get Gold Joy Ring and Heart Piece before Great Moblin, get L-1 Armor Ring afterwards, Save + Quit, and enter Dungeon 5.
3) Get two Small keys from left path, Save + Quit, hit switch in main room, get Cane of Somaria from west room, and go through dungeon until you get the last key from the Cane of Somaria puzzle. Then Save + Quit.
4) Get key from north room in main room, return to main room, then head east to kill miniboss, solve Cane of Somaria puzzle to get Boss Key, then Save + Quit and use miniboss teleporter to get to boss faster.
Bereft Peak: (From now on, you may have to take occasional trips to get Pegasus Seeds)
1) Plant Gasha near Mine Cart cave, Mine Cart until 999 Rupees, get seeds from Mystery Seeds, buy stuff from store, Mine Cart to 999 Rupees again, buy two Gasha seeds from store, then win four Baseball games at a time until you get the Light Ring Lvl 2, give Magic Oar to Rafton, then Mine Cart enough money to get Wealth Ring (ideally you'd get to 9800 Rupees earned instead, but I'm not skilled enough for that it seems), go to present, Baseball Game (blunder through as fast as possible), back to past, give meat, go into present, give vase and dodge bombs, back to past, get Letter, do some dancing, then go into Dungeon 6.
2) Take right path, solve Ember Seed puzzle, Save + Quit, bomb two rock walls and wall beyond those, take Wallmaster express back to entrance, go into present, and re-enter.
3) Take north path, and in cliff rooms with wizzrobes, go between screens over and over until you get one on the other side, then hookshot it to get small key.
4) Against Vire, charge spin attacks in corner, and if Vire flies away, try to hurt him with bombs.
5) Use Teleporter back to entrance, swim on east path, jump on spikes to other side, get Boss Key and Mermaid Suit, Save + Quit. Get out of dungeon, get Toss Ring, return to past, and re-enter.
6) Go back to Ember Seed puzzle, get underwater key, Save + Quit, go through brick wall room, and proceed to boss.
7) Be completely aggressive with boss, even pushing pots into water to get at it.
Rolling Sea:
1) Warp back to Ember Tree, get Gasha prize, replant Gasha, get Gold Luck Ring, beat up Veran, then get Mystery Seed Upgrade, Broken Sword, and Sacred Noble Sword with the help of the Tune of Ages.
2) Go to Ruun Plains by warping to Ambi's and using the Tune of Ages to get there quickly, save in the cave, reset if you don't get a ring (chances of getting a ring are very good in my experience though), replant before warping to Vasu's to save a little time (later on, as you get more and more rings, you'll want to only replant AFTER making sure you got a rare ring, as I think you actually LOSE time from constantly replanting the seed during resets), do the same with Talus Peaks patch, put Double Edge (Dbl. Edge) ring in your Ring inventory if you get it, warp to Goron Mystery Seed tree, then get Gasha Seed and Heart Piece on mountain. Warp to Scent Seed tree and get underwater Heart Piece.
3) Plant Gasha in past Zora island, warp to Scent Seed Tree, get underwater Heart Piece, use Tune of Ages to plant Gasha Seed south of Dungeon/Victory Road entrance, get Iron Shield from Tokay, then warp back to Zora Island. Talk to octorok fairy before trying to proceed with library stuff.
4) Enter Dungeon 7. Get key and press red switch, Save + Quit, get key and press 1st blue switch, get key, and for miniboss, shoot Scent Seed straight up before slashing with sword. Get Longshot and Save + Quit.
5) Press red switch again, Save + Quit, get key, press 1st blue switch then 2nd switch, then Save + Quit.
6) Get two keys, Save + Quit, get a third key, get Boss Key, Save + Quit, take teleporter and fight the boss.
Falling Star:
1) Get the Red Holy Ring and Pegasus Ring before getting Red Gem, warp to Tokay Island, get L-2 Power Ring, then get rings from four patches (be sure the Heart Piece doesn't come from the Tokay or Zora patches, as those are the trees that produce the REALLY rare rings!). Replace L-1 Power Ring with L-2 Power Ring and enter Dungeon 8 once you've taken care of all that.
2) Get 1st slate, Save + Quit, get the rest of the slates, Save + Quit, enter passageway.
Veran:
1) Fetch the Blue Ring near Dungeon 8, the other ring near Zora's Island, and the Green Luck Ring from Mayor's House. Grind the Heart Piece from Maple in the past at Symmetry Village if you haven't gotten it already (do be careful about your positioning though. What I do is I stand slightly above the house on the upper right corner, and if Maple comes from the other side of the screen, I go down and left, put Link's back to the house, and let her run into me. The idea is so that she doesn't land too far from you, therefore making it impossible to get the Heart Piece), then raid Veran's place.
2) Middle, left, up, north, south, north, get into stair room, go southeast two stairs. Whack Veran upside the head (if you have the Dbl. Edge ring, as you probably should by now, the fight is a complete joke).
Now, to explain a few things...
1) After doing some testing, there seem to be three kinds of Gasha Trees. Type 1, which is most Gasha's, seem to only give you complete junk, the only thing notable being the Curse Ring, which I plan on getting from a tree in Oracle of Seasons if I don't succeed in getting one in Oracle of Ages. Type 2, which is the Ruun and Talus patches, gives you moderately better stuff, such as the Roc's Ring, the Dbl. Edge Ring, the Toss Ring, and other such rings. And then there's Type 3, the Zora Island patch and the patch just a screen south of Dungeon 3/Victory Road, which gives you the REALLY amazing stuff, such as the Lvl-2 Heart Ring, the Green Ring, the Lvl-2 Rang Ring, the 1st-Gen Ring, and other real goodies.
2) The rings I can't get anywhere else but from Maple and Gasha's are...
Green Ring SP
Cursed Ring normal
Expert's Ring
Maple's Ring normal
L-2 Heart Ring SP
Charge Ring SP
Blue Luck Ring normal
Roc's Ring normal
Red Joy Ring normal
L-2 Rang Ring SP
First Gen Ring SP
Energy Ring SP
Dbl. Edge Ring
Gasha Ring SP
Peace Ring SP
Zora Ring
Fist Ring SP
Protection Ring
I mark the ultra rare rings as SP to make things simple. In Oracle of Seasons, you get one Type 3 Gasha patch before Dungeon 4, and discover another one right before Dungeon 6, but...I'm not sure if it's just an error in my testing, or if it has something to do with it being a Linked game, or what, but....if there are any for sure Type 2 Gasha's, I couldn't seem to find them, even from patches that you had to dig with a shovel in order to find. But anyways, there are nine SP rings, and I'm planning on using one of the Type 3 patches in Oracle of Seasons to give me the Heart Piece, so that leaves me just enough Type 3 drops to get all the rare rings.
Now, of course the other eight rings that aren't the Cursed Ring (gotten from even Type 1 Gasha's) are somewhat more complicated. I only get six Type 2 drops in Oracle of Ages, however, you run into Maple so often between the two games, that your chances of getting at least two Type 2 rings from her alone are fairly high, so that's why I didn't account for those extra two rings in the route planning. Still...is that a potential hole in this plan do you think?
3) The Sacred Noble Sword actually isn't that big of an upgrade from the Wooden Sword (sword beams and pot breaking notwithstanding) if this damage table is to be believed...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/472313-the-legend-of-zelda-oracle-of-ages/54307646
...so that, combined with how much longer it takes to get it without the Tune of Ages, is why I postponed getting it until then. Just to let you know...
4) And yes, the Lvl-3 Ring actually does NOT exceed the Red Ring in damage once you've gotten the Sacred Noble Sword, so that's an interesting thing to note. On the other hand, the Dbl. Edge ring, is absolutely RIDICULOUS in it's damage output. I am not kidding when I say it literally only takes TWO HITS to take down Veran's final form o.0!! This thing seriously just MURDERS everything it touches!
So, I actually have already recorded all of Oracle of Ages with this route (although I lost a few segments), so, if you like, I can put up some reference videos. Oh yeah, and I'll put up my Oracle of Seasons (Linked) route sometime later on. So what do you think?
Part 1: http://www.twitch.tv/theonly0/b/323923881
Part 2: http://www.twitch.tv/theonly0/b/323934694
I'm guessing the big ol' wall of text that are my notes aren't terribly exciting to look at though, so, I'll post some videos of the run I've already done using this route so you guys can see for yourself. May make it easier on any runner trying to either make a run on my work, or improve upon my route, you know?
The Legend of Zelda Oracle of Ages:
Eternal Spirit:
1) Proceed through the story as normal until you get the Shovel. Get the Piece of Heart, and get Gasha Seed from farmer.
Equipment: De-Equip Shovel before Ember.
2) Plant Gasha seed in Graveyard patch on the way to Dungeon 1. Get Lvl-1 Power Ring and proceed as normal until you get the Power Bracelet, then Save + Quit to get to boss faster.
Ancient Wood:
1) Get Poe Clock, then enter Ring Shop and appraise Lvl-1 Power Ring. Trade Poe Clock then Mail on the way to fairy forest.
2) Right, Down, fairy, left, up, down, up, down, up, fairy, up, fairy, and DONE!
3) Save + Quit after lifting up stone, and get Harp of Time.
4) Trade items, plant Gasha Seed near outhouse and get Heart Piece and Gasha Seed on the way to Strange Seeds.
5) You know the two places to Save + Quit on.
Echoing Howl:
1) Plant Gasha Seed and get Heart Piece in Talus Peaks, talk to Cheval, warp to present, and get items with Moosh.
2) Get Gasha prize from graveyard, get Ricky's Glove, go back to past, get Gasha prize next to outhouse, talk to kid, and get Tingle's Map before Save + Quitting again.
3) Get Shovel, Sword, get Power Bracelet, items and Gasha Seed, Roc's feather, items, Power Bracelet, item, get Power Bracelet back, get Harp of Time, plant Scent Seed Tree, and enter present.
4) Give Stink Bag to Tokay, get Scent Seeds, get shovel back, and enter Dungeon 3.
5) Keep switching first crystal until you get Seed Shooter, and finally get first crystal, then last crystal.
Burning Flame:
1) Get Strange Flute, give meat to Happy Mask Salesman, down, up, down, up to find Dimitri. Pick up Dimitri, throw him down and make sure he's firmly on the ground before giving Dog Mask to Mammamu the dog lady, and talk to bridge man.
2) Find 1st bridge man, get ring from waterfall, then plant Gasha Seed in Ruun Plains before getting the rest of the men.
3) Talk to Tuni guardian, give dumbbell to slim jim, go to northeast house, go to northwest, get song from artist, and Save + Quit to get to Heart Piece slightly faster.
4) Switch water channels, get Bigger Bomb Bag, push seed plant, and go repair Tuner. Warp back to village, and enter Dungeon 4.
5) Go to left side and Save + Quit once you get key.
6) In floating pot room, don't hookshot pots, but jump from platforms as the pots are.
Sacred Soil:
1) Travel to past, go to center of village, travel into future, give Cheesy Mustache to comic, go into the past, give Jokebook to sullen kid, get Gasha prize and replant Gasha.
2) Plant Gasha near Goron Cave, get Gold Joy Ring and Heart Piece before Great Moblin, get L-1 Armor Ring afterwards, Save + Quit, and enter Dungeon 5.
3) Get two Small keys from left path, Save + Quit, hit switch in main room, get Cane of Somaria from west room, and go through dungeon until you get the last key from the Cane of Somaria puzzle. Then Save + Quit.
4) Get key from north room in main room, return to main room, then head east to kill miniboss, solve Cane of Somaria puzzle to get Boss Key, then Save + Quit and use miniboss teleporter to get to boss faster.
Bereft Peak: (From now on, you may have to take occasional trips to get Pegasus Seeds)
1) Plant Gasha near Mine Cart cave, Mine Cart until 999 Rupees, get seeds from Mystery Seeds, buy stuff from store, Mine Cart to 999 Rupees again, buy two Gasha seeds from store, then win four Baseball games at a time until you get the Light Ring Lvl 2, give Magic Oar to Rafton, then Mine Cart enough money to get Wealth Ring (ideally you'd get to 9800 Rupees earned instead, but I'm not skilled enough for that it seems), go to present, Baseball Game (blunder through as fast as possible), back to past, give meat, go into present, give vase and dodge bombs, back to past, get Letter, do some dancing, then go into Dungeon 6.
2) Take right path, solve Ember Seed puzzle, Save + Quit, bomb two rock walls and wall beyond those, take Wallmaster express back to entrance, go into present, and re-enter.
3) Take north path, and in cliff rooms with wizzrobes, go between screens over and over until you get one on the other side, then hookshot it to get small key.
4) Against Vire, charge spin attacks in corner, and if Vire flies away, try to hurt him with bombs.
5) Use Teleporter back to entrance, swim on east path, jump on spikes to other side, get Boss Key and Mermaid Suit, Save + Quit. Get out of dungeon, get Toss Ring, return to past, and re-enter.
6) Go back to Ember Seed puzzle, get underwater key, Save + Quit, go through brick wall room, and proceed to boss.
7) Be completely aggressive with boss, even pushing pots into water to get at it.
Rolling Sea:
1) Warp back to Ember Tree, get Gasha prize, replant Gasha, get Gold Luck Ring, beat up Veran, then get Mystery Seed Upgrade, Broken Sword, and Sacred Noble Sword with the help of the Tune of Ages.
2) Go to Ruun Plains by warping to Ambi's and using the Tune of Ages to get there quickly, save in the cave, reset if you don't get a ring (chances of getting a ring are very good in my experience though), replant before warping to Vasu's to save a little time (later on, as you get more and more rings, you'll want to only replant AFTER making sure you got a rare ring, as I think you actually LOSE time from constantly replanting the seed during resets), do the same with Talus Peaks patch, put Double Edge (Dbl. Edge) ring in your Ring inventory if you get it, warp to Goron Mystery Seed tree, then get Gasha Seed and Heart Piece on mountain. Warp to Scent Seed tree and get underwater Heart Piece.
3) Plant Gasha in past Zora island, warp to Scent Seed Tree, get underwater Heart Piece, use Tune of Ages to plant Gasha Seed south of Dungeon/Victory Road entrance, get Iron Shield from Tokay, then warp back to Zora Island. Talk to octorok fairy before trying to proceed with library stuff.
4) Enter Dungeon 7. Get key and press red switch, Save + Quit, get key and press 1st blue switch, get key, and for miniboss, shoot Scent Seed straight up before slashing with sword. Get Longshot and Save + Quit.
5) Press red switch again, Save + Quit, get key, press 1st blue switch then 2nd switch, then Save + Quit.
6) Get two keys, Save + Quit, get a third key, get Boss Key, Save + Quit, take teleporter and fight the boss.
Falling Star:
1) Get the Red Holy Ring and Pegasus Ring before getting Red Gem, warp to Tokay Island, get L-2 Power Ring, then get rings from four patches (be sure the Heart Piece doesn't come from the Tokay or Zora patches, as those are the trees that produce the REALLY rare rings!). Replace L-1 Power Ring with L-2 Power Ring and enter Dungeon 8 once you've taken care of all that.
2) Get 1st slate, Save + Quit, get the rest of the slates, Save + Quit, enter passageway.
Veran:
1) Fetch the Blue Ring near Dungeon 8, the other ring near Zora's Island, and the Green Luck Ring from Mayor's House. Grind the Heart Piece from Maple in the past at Symmetry Village if you haven't gotten it already (do be careful about your positioning though. What I do is I stand slightly above the house on the upper right corner, and if Maple comes from the other side of the screen, I go down and left, put Link's back to the house, and let her run into me. The idea is so that she doesn't land too far from you, therefore making it impossible to get the Heart Piece), then raid Veran's place.
2) Middle, left, up, north, south, north, get into stair room, go southeast two stairs. Whack Veran upside the head (if you have the Dbl. Edge ring, as you probably should by now, the fight is a complete joke).
Now, to explain a few things...
1) After doing some testing, there seem to be three kinds of Gasha Trees. Type 1, which is most Gasha's, seem to only give you complete junk, the only thing notable being the Curse Ring, which I plan on getting from a tree in Oracle of Seasons if I don't succeed in getting one in Oracle of Ages. Type 2, which is the Ruun and Talus patches, gives you moderately better stuff, such as the Roc's Ring, the Dbl. Edge Ring, the Toss Ring, and other such rings. And then there's Type 3, the Zora Island patch and the patch just a screen south of Dungeon 3/Victory Road, which gives you the REALLY amazing stuff, such as the Lvl-2 Heart Ring, the Green Ring, the Lvl-2 Rang Ring, the 1st-Gen Ring, and other real goodies.
2) The rings I can't get anywhere else but from Maple and Gasha's are...
Green Ring SP
Cursed Ring normal
Expert's Ring
Maple's Ring normal
L-2 Heart Ring SP
Charge Ring SP
Blue Luck Ring normal
Roc's Ring normal
Red Joy Ring normal
L-2 Rang Ring SP
First Gen Ring SP
Energy Ring SP
Dbl. Edge Ring
Gasha Ring SP
Peace Ring SP
Zora Ring
Fist Ring SP
Protection Ring
I mark the ultra rare rings as SP to make things simple. In Oracle of Seasons, you get one Type 3 Gasha patch before Dungeon 4, and discover another one right before Dungeon 6, but...I'm not sure if it's just an error in my testing, or if it has something to do with it being a Linked game, or what, but....if there are any for sure Type 2 Gasha's, I couldn't seem to find them, even from patches that you had to dig with a shovel in order to find. But anyways, there are nine SP rings, and I'm planning on using one of the Type 3 patches in Oracle of Seasons to give me the Heart Piece, so that leaves me just enough Type 3 drops to get all the rare rings.
Now, of course the other eight rings that aren't the Cursed Ring (gotten from even Type 1 Gasha's) are somewhat more complicated. I only get six Type 2 drops in Oracle of Ages, however, you run into Maple so often between the two games, that your chances of getting at least two Type 2 rings from her alone are fairly high, so that's why I didn't account for those extra two rings in the route planning. Still...is that a potential hole in this plan do you think?
3) The Sacred Noble Sword actually isn't that big of an upgrade from the Wooden Sword (sword beams and pot breaking notwithstanding) if this damage table is to be believed...
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/472313-the-legend-of-zelda-oracle-of-ages/54307646
...so that, combined with how much longer it takes to get it without the Tune of Ages, is why I postponed getting it until then. Just to let you know...
4) And yes, the Lvl-3 Ring actually does NOT exceed the Red Ring in damage once you've gotten the Sacred Noble Sword, so that's an interesting thing to note. On the other hand, the Dbl. Edge ring, is absolutely RIDICULOUS in it's damage output. I am not kidding when I say it literally only takes TWO HITS to take down Veran's final form o.0!! This thing seriously just MURDERS everything it touches!
So, I actually have already recorded all of Oracle of Ages with this route (although I lost a few segments), so, if you like, I can put up some reference videos. Oh yeah, and I'll put up my Oracle of Seasons (Linked) route sometime later on. So what do you think?
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