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Xarthok: 2006-03-31 09:26:22 am
DOSBox <3
Only 10 days since the release but I already think that a run of this would be great Smiley I'm not sure about how long it would take to finish the main quest. One thing I know is that it won't be hard at all if you choose the right methods (because of the monsters being levelled according to you). My guess would be to take a Destruction mage and stay level 1 through the whole game but get decent equipment early. Run like hell through tutorial. Use fast travel a lot.

Anyone interested? I'll get home and see how could this turn out.

*EDIT* Woops, there was another thread in consoles with quite some info. http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=consoles_newer;action=display;num=1143387084
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I posted some stuff in the console thread about what I've done so far.

Here are the links to the videos so far:

http://files.filefront.com/Oblivion_segment1avi/;4938679;;/fileinfo.html

http://files.filefront.com/Oblivion_segment2avi/;4938749;;/fileinfo.html
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Have you actually beaten the game, or are you just running as fast as you can, hoping that nothing screws up a lvl 1 character from winning? Just wondering, because I'm thinking about doing this run also, but I know I'll be doing things a bit differently than you. I still need to run the game through once, at least, to see what to expect at the end.

-flech
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Yes, I've beaten the game.

And now that you mention it... I'm pretty sure there are some quests in the main storyline that you need to level up for. I'll look into it.
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Pretty nice performance up to now. You could have taken full Chainmail armour set from the dude fighting in Oblivion, near gates.
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That would just slow me down.

Heavy armor makes you run slower.
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Isn't chainmail light armor?
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Yep.
Light armor also slows you down.  Unless it's necessary, and there are only 3 parts where I can recall it possibly being necessary, no light or heavy armor of any kind should be worn.
The three parts are: Getting the xarxes book, killing off the swarms of mobs coming out of the gates until the big one opens, and running through imperial city to get to the center with martin which is the very end of the quest.  And even those 3 parts I'm skeptical about.

I'm going to go check every shop in each major city and see if any non armor equipment is available to buy and could be useful.  I'm wondering if umbra might not even be needed if you could recharge the staff quickly, such as in Bruma when it is a requirement to run there.
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Light armor also slows you down.  Unless it's necessary, and there are only 3 parts where I can recall it possibly being necessary, no light or heavy armor of any kind should be worn.
The three parts are: Getting the xarxes book, killing off the swarms of mobs coming out of the gates until the big one opens, and running through imperial city to get to the center with martin which is the very end of the quest.  And even those 3 parts I'm skeptical about.

I'm going to go check every shop in each major city and see if any non armor equipment is available to buy and could be useful.  I'm wondering if umbra might not even be needed if you could recharge the staff quickly, such as in Bruma when it is a requirement to run there.


When collecting the Xarxes, you can just kill the two guys at the entrance so that you don't have to forfeit your equipment and stuff. This might slow you down a bit, because everyone in there follows you and tries to kill you and stuff, but that ends up happening once you take the book anyways.
Killing him at the start is faster because if you give up your stuff, you might not be able to quickly find him in the big mess.  Plus, with 6 or 7 guys beating on you, it would be harder to kill him to get your stuff back.

But now that I think about it, everyone in there casts shock spells, so armor might not be necessary.  Maybe just resist shock for that part, if anything.
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I tried it earlier, and I was able to get in and out pretty quickly without getting killed or fighting. I just cast Restore whenever my health got low, and ran/jumped around as fast as I could. That part shouldn't be much of a problem so long as you keep your health up and don't stop moving/wait for them to catch up.
How did you get your equipment back if you gave it to that guy?
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I didn't.

=p

But seriously, there isn't really any need, is there? The only thing that I actually would have lost was my weapon, some potions, and some lockpicks. I just grabbed a new weapon at the earliest convenience, and the rest I decided I could live without.
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Knu: 2006-04-02 07:50:42 am
Some notes after watching the "segments". I if were to make this run, I'd try following things:

1) Race.
I suppose, the system works like in Morrowind, with your running speed determined by Athletics, Speed, Strength.
So you might need to choose between Dark/Wood Elf/Argonian (for +10 Speed) or Redguard (Spell of +50 Speed/Strength for 1 min)
Class.
Need +5 Speed/Strength, might be good to have Athletics as major
Sign.
Steed, no comments.

2) Before you choose your class you can raise your athletics/acrobatics pretty fast (since they start with 5). I suggest jumping and running around like crazy instead of waiting.

3) Don't take the short sword in the dungeon. You barely do any damage to the asassins, and anyway you take a better one later, in WP.

Random thoughts of what might be possible:
1) Instead of waiting for npcs to walk to the next location, try attacking them so they run after you. When you arrive where you need, yield.
It might also be possible to break down some scripted scenes that way. Needs a lot of testing.
2) Try diagonal/sideways/whatever running. I also think jumping slows you down a bit.
3) I encountered a bug in Cloudrest Temple, when Martin didn't walk up the stairs and spoke the words he has after the blades scene. Certainly reproducible, and cuts down 30 seconds, if not a minute.

I donno if I want to participate in this, since the game's disappointing, both in terms of gameplay and speedrunning. Its not even nearly as fun to rip it apart as Morrowind. I'll help with what I know, though.
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Pitted: 2006-04-02 08:53:14 am
Those are some really good ideas I never thought of, Knu!  Right now I'm favoring Redguard for adrenaline rush.  They start with 40 speed, 50 strength (males), and 50 endurance, and +10 athletics.  I'm also considering Argonian for the +10 athletics and 50 speed.  They have low health and strength and no significant specials, but they are faster than Redguard.  I guess the race should be one of the last choices, after the entire method of the run has been figured out.


Also, I think for the Xarxian part, the fastest method would be to drop any items you'll want after, then give up the rest and just pick them up on your way out.  Seems faster than killing anyone, and you don't lose essential stuff.

So far there are some really good ideas.  To contribute a tiny bit more, I forgot which town (I think the Leyawinn book shop), I saw a scroll that did 100 fire damage to a group for 3 seconds.  That seems like it would be useful for mankakar, or perhaps during the great oblivion gate opening.

Also, I was reading the gamefaqs message board and saw a method for duping.  I'm not sure if that would be allowed, but it has the potential to make the run insanely fast with some powerful scrolls.
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Dupe glitch info:

(from http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=924363&topic=27310850 )

Saw this method posted on the Xbox Oblivion forums here, and decided to see how it worked on the PC version.

Here's what you need.

A bow, a stack of arrows, and a non-enchanted or named/unique/quest item.

Here's what to do.

Pull back the shot, and when it's pulled back, go into your menu system. Go to your weapons tab, and click on your equipped arrows twice (You will get the Cannot Change Weapons during Attack message, this is supposed to happen!). Now, drop whatever item you wish to duplicate, and if it can be duplicated, it will be. The amount of duplicated is determined by the stack size of the equipped arrows.

In this DivX video:

http://www.suki-janai.com/movies/oblivion/obliviondupetrick.avi
(or go to http://www.suki-janai.com/movies/oblivion/ if you want to save the file, instead of streaming.).

You will see the trick executed on a PC. The game will lag significantly if you clone lots of items at once.

I didn't discover this, apparently Grimwrecker did (dunno, but he seems to be getting all the credit). All I did was make a video, showing the actual trick.

More information can be found in these threads on the Xbox forums:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=927345&topic=27301397

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=927345&topic=27294809

-flech
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Knu: 2006-04-02 12:27:50 pm
The method I described above worked. It doesn't let you break sequences, but still saves more than 40 seconds in the first dungeon alone.

How to: when the npcs need to cover some distance, you attack them until they run to kill you. Run to your destination, hold block, and press use on the npc to yield. It worked in 3 locations with the Emperor (saving like 10/20/10 seconds).

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Few tests on running speed:

Doesn't depend on strength or encumbrance. Diagonal/backwards - no difference. Sideways definitely slower. (and very hard to steer LOL)

Results for a set distance.
Speed 100/Athletics 100 - 7.2 seconds.
100/10 - 9.5
50/100 8.5
10/100 - 10.2
100/100 w/ heavy armor EQUIPPED (skill 15) - 8.2
100/100 w/ heavy armor EQUIPPED (skill 100) - 7.3
100/100 w/ weapon drawn - 8.3

More thoughts: probably you don't need any armor at all. Duplicating health potions and binding them to a key works EXTREMELY well. You're almost invincible if you don't forget to drink 'em Wink

There's also a problem of damage you deal... I don't think any weapon will work. Well, it will, but slow. We need to get some mega-destructive scrolls and duplicate them. And I mean something that will let you kill all enemies at a single touch while running past them...

Yet another idea - if you'll need a different race than redguard (which I doubt), you should choose it first, use the "power" and change it to whatever you like at dungeon exit.
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There's a staff in the Imperial City which does 99 damage and has 12 uses. With either the gold or dupe glitch (to get gold), then it should be possible to just use that item the whole game. If it runs out of charges, just join a mages guild and pay the 5000g to have it re-charged. X|

Or, maybe, using a bow with marksman/sneak and a LOT of invisibility scrolls, you can just get the 3x crit bonuses on every shot. Iono. It looks like a lot more options keep opening up ^^

The idea to tick off quest npcs, run to the end of their path, then befriend them again is a great idea, Knu.

-flech
The Unreal Authority.
or duplicate the staff and hold as many as you can
The staff weighs too much.  If you're going to duplicate, it's better to duplicate 0.1 weight scrolls.
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Exactly. We need to find 1 good healing potion to dupe (any off of the starter guys will do), 1 good 'invisibility' scroll that is placed somewhere that's easy to quickly steal, and maybe 1 good damage scroll, also placed in the world. Now, where are some good, easy to grab scrolls that can be taken through the game?

Also, another problem with the staff is that it's a named item, I'm pretty sure it can't be duplicated (but it's still a good staff... X|)

-flech
The staff can be duplicated.  It was one of the first things I tried.

For healing potion: There's a chest in the very beginning, before you rendezvous with the emperor, that has 2 regular healing potions.  Also, Jauffre's chest has 2 healing potions, along with a bow and 30 arrows, and a 20 damage on touch shock scroll (kind of weak).

For a damage scroll, the strongest I've seen is the one that does 100 damage every second to an area and makes you immune to fire for a couple of seconds, but it costs about 9000 gold and would require you to do the gold glitch as well, which just adds more time.

For invisibility scroll, I have no idea.
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Allantois: 2006-04-03 08:32:49 am
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is it possible to dublicate the emporers amulet and skip the whole game? lol


*edit* nope. cant drop it just tried.
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Is anyone else going to record this?