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kooz
2013-08-21 10:21:24 pm
Quote from keylie:
I'm working on the TAS of the any% run, and I've finished all the levels.


Oh my god its full of awesome!

I can't wait to see a 106% TAS.  That was totally insane!
keylie
keylie
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keylie: 2013-08-22 04:19:15 pm
2013-08-22 04:18:47 pm
The any% TAS is done !
Dime
2013-08-22 04:21:35 pm
17:01, im pumped to see this, unfortunately the youtube processing is killing my hype!
mattBLiTZ
2013-08-23 07:35:22 am
Pac is Back
So fast.  Damn.
Takuji
2013-08-31 10:38:26 am
Finally got a 106% run with quite good play and very good rng :).



I can see high 1:23 be possible but I have to be crazy to attempt that.
kooz
2013-08-31 09:41:20 pm
Another fantastic run, Takuji!  It's amazing that anyone can possess such skill.
scurty
2013-09-03 11:10:42 am
That run was amazing (as was the TAS done a few posts above)! Do you use a gamepad or keyboard/mouse?
Takuji
2013-09-04 10:44:41 am
Naija with keyboard and the rest with Xbox 360 wireless controller :).
VorpalEdge
2013-09-05 02:31:04 pm
welcome to the machine
grats, taku!

the following video can go multiple tenths of a second lower, but 2-17 in under 6 seconds is a nice proof of concept.  thanks to forensics for discovering all strategies.



lol
keylie
keylie
Edit history:
keylie: 2013-10-15 03:24:39 am
keylie: 2013-10-10 02:49:47 am
keylie: 2013-10-09 05:53:50 am
keylie: 2013-10-09 05:51:46 am
keylie: 2013-10-09 05:46:12 am
keylie: 2013-10-09 05:45:35 am
2013-10-09 05:22:50 am
Hello everyone,

I've made some computations about which strategy is the fastest to farm the glitch girl on The End.

EDIT: The glitch girl probability is not 5% when 100% completion, but 10%. It changes some results regarding 6-2 farming.

tl;dr route: 6-4x, 6-5x, 6-1x, 6-2x, farm 6-3x, DarkFetus is the fastest. If you want to farm on 6-2, route 6-1x, 6-2x, 6-3x, 6-4x, 6-5x, DF, farm 6-2 is the fastest. You lose 20s on average if farming on 6-2 instead of 6-3x.



There are multiple choices you can make:
- Farm on stage 6-2 or 6-3x
- Farm before or after doing Fetus
- Farm on 6-3x when first getting into it, or skip the stage and re-enter it to farm
- Go directly to Fetus before doing any dark world levels, or go the normal way
- Start with 6-1x skipping 6-3x or with 6-4x and get back to 6-1x after

Based on that, I listed 10 different strategies:

1) Farm 6-2 just before Dark Fetus
2) Farm 6-2 after Dark Fetus
3) Do Dark Fetus before dark levels, and farm 6-2
4) Farm 6-3x when first entering the level
5) Do Dark Fetus before dark levels, and farm 6-3x when entering
6) Skip 6-3x and farm just before Dark Fetus
6+) Start with 6-4x and 6-5x, then 6-1x to 6-3x, farm and do Dark Fetus
7) Skip 6-3x and farm after Dark Fetus
8) Do Dark Fetus before dark levels, skip 6-3x and farm at the end
8+) Do Dark Fetus before dark levels, Start with 6-4x and 6-5x, then 6-1x to 6-3x, farm

Here is the average time taken for each strategy. Results are given in relative time, 0 being the based time where you didn't loose any time farming. Results supposed that you didn't die in any level. The probability to get a glitch girl on a level is 0.05*completion_percentage. If you have 100% completion, the probability is 0.1.

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Strategy 1
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Route: 6-1x, 6-2x, 6-3x, 6-4x, 6-5x, farm 6-2, DF

Probability of having to farm: 0.844
Percentage of completion when farming: 92%
Time to die: 2.5s
Time to complete the level: 23s
Average time to farm: 2.5/(0.92*0.05) + 23 = 77s

Total extra farming time: 77*0.844 = +65s

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Strategy 2
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Route: 6-1x, 6-2x, 6-3x, 6-4x, 6-5x, DF, farm 6-2

Probability of having to farm: 0.844
Extra time to re-enter the world after the credits: 17s
Percentage of completion when farming: 100%
Time to die: 2.5s
Time to complete the level: 23s
Average time to farm: 2.5/0.1 + 23 = 48s

Total extra farming time: (73+17)*0.844 = +55s

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Strategy 3
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Route: DF, 6-1x, 6-2x, 6-3x, 6-4x, 6-5x, farm 6-2

Probability of having to farm: 0.826
Extra time to go fight Fetus first: 2s
Extra time to re-enter the world after the credits: 17s
Percentage of completion when farming: 100%
Time to die: 2.5s
Time to complete the level: 23s
Average time to farm: 2.5/0.1 + 23 = 48s

Total extra farming time: 2+17+48*0.844 = +59.5s

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Strategy 4
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Route: 6-1x, 6-2x, farm 6-3x, 6-4x, 6-5x, DF

Probability of having to farm: 0.947
Percentage of completion when farming: 67%
Time to die: 1.5s
Average time to farm: 1.5/(0.67*0.05) = 45s

Total extra farming time: 45*0.947 = +42s

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Strategy 5
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Route: DF, 6-1x, 6-2x, farm 6-3x, 6-4x, 6-5x

Probability of having to farm: 0.938
Extra time to go fight Fetus first: 2s
Extra time to re-enter the world after the credits: 17s
Percentage of completion when farming: 75%
Time to die: 1.5s
Average time to farm: 1.5/(0.75*0.05) = 40s

Total extra farming time: 2+17+40*0.938 = +56.5s

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Strategy 6
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Route: 6-1x, 6-2x, 6-4x, 6-5x, farm 6-3x, DF

Probability of not getting glitch girl before skipping 6-3x: 0.947
Probability of having to farm if we skipped 6-3x: 0.930
Extra time to skip 6-3x and to have to re-enter it: 6s
Percentage of completion when farming: 83%
Time to die: 1.5s
Average time to farm: 1.5/(0.83*0.05) = 36s

Total extra farming time: 0.947*(6+0.930*36) = +37.5s

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Strategy 6+
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Route: 6-4x, 6-5x, 6-1x, 6-2x, farm 6-3x, DF

Extra time to start with 6-4x and to get back to 6-1x: 4s
Probability of having to farm: 0.881
Percentage of completion when farming: 83%
Time to die: 1.5s
Average time to farm: 1.5/(0.83*0.05) = 36s

Total extra farming time: 4+0.881*36 = +35.7s


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Strategy 7
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Route: 6-1x, 6-2x, 6-4x, 6-5x, DF, farm 6-3x

Probability of not getting glitch girl before skipping 6-3x: 0.947
Probability of having to farm if we skipped 6-3x: 0.930
Extra time to skip 6-3x and to have to re-enter it: 6s
Extra time to re-enter the world after the credits: 17s
Percentage of completion when farming: 92%
Time to die: 1.5s
Average time to farm: 1.5/(0.92*0.05) = 32.6s

Total extra farming time: 0.947*(6+0.930*(32.6+17)) = +49s

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Strategy 8
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Route: DF, 6-1x, 6-2x, 6-4x, 6-5x, farm 6-3x

Extra time to go fight Fetus first: 2s
Extra time to re-enter the world after the credits: 17s
Probability of not getting glitch girl before skipping 6-3x: 0.938
Probability of having to farm if we skipped 6-3x: 0.922
Extra time to skip 6-3x and to have to re-enter it: 6s
Percentage of completion when farming: 92%
Time to die: 1.5s
Average time to farm: 1.5/(0.92*0.05) = 32.6s

Total extra farming time: 2+17+0.938*(6+0.922*32.6) = +53s

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Strategy 8+
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Route: DF, 6-4x, 6-5x, 6-1x, 6-2x, farm 6-3x

Extra time to go fight Fetus first: 2s
Extra time to re-enter the world after the credits: 17s
Extra time to start with 6-4x and to get back to 6-1x: 4s
Probability of having to farm: 0.826
Percentage of completion when farming: 92%
Time to die: 1.5s
Average time to farm: 1.5/(0.92*0.05) = 32.6s

Total extra farming time: 2+17+4+0.826*32.6 = +50s
keylie
2013-10-11 06:27:39 am
Some more farming ideas:

2-10x with Naija (very fast death)
3-6x with Steve
3-16x with Steve (faster death than on 3-6x I think)
4-9 with Naija (faster death and faster level than Meat Boy)
4-12 with Steve (slow death but fast level)

I'm considering Steve strats because it doesn't cost much time.
You can do for example Dark Rapture before Dark Hell, skipping the Rapture glitch girl if you didn't get it. As the farming level is 5-3x, you will exit and re-enter the world anyway, so you can do another world in-between.
KanBan85
2013-11-16 06:27:29 am
We both like money! Friends?
TAS can now be improved: (as well as WR)

Exo
2013-11-17 06:30:35 am
Sandbagging
My run was already improvable beforehand. The only difference is that it's really easy now Wink
kooz
2013-11-19 03:12:14 am
Wow, neat skip.  Too bad it will mean missing out on one of the most entertaining bosses though.  Keylie absolutely destroys Brownie going the original route and I loved it.
keylie
keylie
Edit history:
keylie: 2013-12-02 07:21:50 am
2013-12-02 07:20:51 am
All characters take a variable amount of time to die and to respawn, which may have an influence on which one to take for farming glitch girl.
Here are the durations for every character (except those unlock by a code, which I couldn't access using the TAS tool).
You don't have the death animation if you go oob.

Code:
Character           Death duration (s)      Spawn duration (s)      Total (s)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Meat Boy            0.62                    0.67                    1.28
Commander Video     1.02                    0.83                    1.85
Flywrench           0.78                    0.60                    1.38
Ogmo                1.02                    0.23                    1.25
Jill                0.62                    0.45                    1.07
The Kid             0.62                    0.67                    1.28
Headcrab            0.62                    0.63                    1.25
Josef               0.62                    0.43                    1.05
Naija               0.62                    0.63                    1.25
Runman              0.38                    0.33                    0.72
Capitan Viridian    0.62                    0.57                    1.18
Steve               0.62                    0.67                    1.28
Meat Ninja          0.62                    0.67                    1.28
Alien Hominid       0.62                    0.43                    1.05
4bit Meat Boy       0.68                    0.47                    1.15
4color Meat Boy     0.68                    0.60                    1.28
8bit Meat Boy       0.62                    0.60                    1.22
ItsMarill_
2013-12-04 08:59:34 pm
I don't think there's enough charact
Quote from KanBan85:
TAS can now be improved: (as well as WR)



I am honestly confused to why this wasn't found during the TAS
(Unless you guys were going off of what you already knew, not testing).

Quote from Exo:
My run was already improvable beforehand. The only difference is that it's really easy now Wink


I'm getting this strange feeling that this means you're still not coming back to Meat Boy Sad
KanBan85
2013-12-06 09:14:58 am
We both like money! Friends?
aaaaaand it happened:

http://www.twitch.tv/vorpalsda/c/3348710

Congratz to Vorpal
Tiberius
2013-12-06 12:35:43 pm
Make it so.
Congrats Vorpal! And by congrats what I really mean is "about damn time" Tongue
Zero|DPX
2013-12-06 03:11:34 pm
Congratulations Vorpal!  18:30, awesome time.  The king is dead, long live the king.

It looks to me as if an absolutely perfect run with these strats would be ~18:18, meaning keyless / hex skip would be needed to get below 18:15.  Good luck to anyone who attempts that...
Exo
2013-12-08 06:50:21 am
Sandbagging
Quote from ItsMarill_:
Quote from Exo:
My run was already improvable beforehand. The only difference is that it's really easy now Wink


I'm getting this strange feeling that this means you're still not coming back to Meat Boy Sad


I definitely plan on going back to smb but it's probably not gonna happen until winter next year.
bazoo
2013-12-18 12:30:25 am
Super
Hello everyone. I'm new here, so this is my first post.

I recently found a glitch that is a great time savior on some levels, allowing the character to pass through walls and objects. (Not the Naija glitch)

These are some of my PB using the glitch:
1x8 - 0.15s
6x1x - 4.48s
6x2 - 1.93s
6x3 - 8.12s
6x3x - 1.07s
6x4 - 10.48s
6x4x - 11.15s
7x1 - 0.22s
7x2 - 0.38s
7x3 - 3.85s
7x4 - 5.25s
7x12 - 0.93s
7x12x - 3.23s
7x20x - 6.75s

These times are "Game times", not IRL time, so they should be a bit longer than these ones. (2s or something)

I'm still testing it but as far as I know, it work this way:
First of all, for testing, if you are playing with gamepad I recomend you to download JoyToKey or any similar software and bind some key (I use LB on a XBOX pad) to Mouse left click.

The glitch is only available on the PC(at least on Windows 7, didn't tried with other windows version nor MAC nor Linux), in window mode.

If you click on the window upper-border, the game "freezes", disabling the collisions with objects and walls, if you are enough far from those objects or walls(approx half the size of Meat Boy).
The time you spent holding click is the time Meat Boy (or whatever char.) will remain glitched, for ~3 seconds max.
If you are running on floor, you will stay on the same line and passing through walls and objects. If you are on-air and you are about to hit a wall, you will pass through the floors, as well as objects too.

This is a sample video, with some of the levels the glitch is most usefull:


I discovered this glitch. If you are going to use it in any speedrun video or whatever, please credit me, thanks.
Patashu
Patashu
Edit history:
Patashu: 2013-12-18 05:07:36 am
2013-12-18 05:06:38 am
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this is well known Wink It happens also if you press alt and is exclusive to the windows version (obviously because on console there are no windows widgets to prevent redrawing ^^) and it works because super meat boy, if the frame rate drops, makes all actions extend further to compensate for the lag (kind of like Donkey Kong 64) (this is also why sometimes times can be slightly faster or slower despite doing the same thing - variable frame rate = slightly variable physics!)

Theoretically there could be an any% or 106% with alt glitch but currently no one runs it because it's pretty silly.
bazoo
2013-12-18 08:17:14 am
Super
embarassed
Gaël
2013-12-18 06:25:12 pm
Quote from Patashu:
but currently no one runs it because it's pretty silly.


Also, I'm pretty sure this glitch is against SDA rules, because you're exiting the game window
Patashu
2013-12-18 06:59:31 pm
Yea SDA doesn't allow that kind of glitch. Alt+Tab isn't allowed by SDA rules in Antichamber either (though it's the most popular category in that game).