Super Mario World "low%" done: small86 begins

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2005-08-12 05:22:11 am

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I've been playing Super Mario World a lot recently as well as watching speed videos and tool assisted time attacks and was just wondering if a seperate category would be allowed for beating the game small.

A different route through the game would have to be taken from a run in which Mario is large (and usually has a cape) because as a small Mario it is not possible to beat Star World 1 (unless there is some glitch that lets you go through the blocks while small that I haven't heard of).

The route would change at Donut Secret 1, from there would go to Donut Ghost House, Donut Plains 3,Donut Plains 4,Morton's Castle, Vanilla Dome 1,Vanilla Secret 1, then the star road.

I was wondering if this run would be allowed or if I would be better off trying to be sdkess 10:56 run in which he uses a cape. (And has to beat Donut Secret House :wallbash: )

However no promises that if I start either way there will ever be results as I am slow and uncoordinated, just wanted to give it a shot :shoot:

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I've been playing Super Mario World a lot recently as well as watching speed videos and tool assisted time attacks and was just wondering if a seperate category would be allowed for beating the game small.

A different route through the game would have to be taken from a run in which Mario is large (and usually has a cape) because as a small Mario it is not possible to beat Star World 1 (unless there is some glitch that lets you go through the blocks while small that I haven't heard of).

The route would change at Donut Secret 1, from there would go to Donut Ghost House, Donut Plains 3,Donut Plains 4,Morton's Castle, Vanilla Dome 1,Vanilla Secret 1, then the star road.

I was wondering if this run would be allowed or if I would be better off trying to be sdkess 10:56 run in which he uses a cape.  (And has to beat Donut Secret House  :wallbash: )

However no promises that if I start either way there will ever be results as I am slow and uncoordinated, just wanted to give it a shot  :shoot:

Yoshi348

2005-08-12 06:08:34 am

dinosaur from the past

Brings new meaning to the term "minimalist run"... heh.

Still, I don't think it would be accepted. The number of limitations you can place on yourself in most games is infinite, so generally the only categories are low, any, and 100%, plus seperate categories for really really crazy glitches that still follow the rules but skip large parts of the game.

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-08-12 08:45:57 am

2005-08-12 08:44:38 am

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Still, I don't think it would be accepted. The number of limitations you can place on yourself in most games is infinite, so generally the only categories are low, any, and 100%.

Disagree.

It sounds stupid at first but this would be kind of the low% in Mario terms wouldn't it? You'd only be allowed to use a Mushroom, Flower, Yoshi or Cape if it's absolutely necessary and you'd have to get rid of it afterwards ASAP.

BUT:
If you then aim to minimize the items collected, the fastest route will probably still be the warp route, unless you can get to warp star 2 without collecting any item at all. If you can you have to.

Lets say I'm interested if you can prove that you can beat the game indeed without collecting anything at all.

jimsfriend

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jimsfriend: 2005-08-12 04:24:23 pm

2005-08-12 01:37:37 pm

Like A Fox

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Lets say I'm interested if you can prove that you can beat the game indeed without collecting anything at all.

I was kind of counting on a Yoshi (I will need 3 of them) to help me with a few levels (Donut Plains 1, Vanilla Dome 1 and Vanilla Secret 1, Star Road 4). Also would this mean I could not pick up turtle shells to throw at enemies?

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You'd only be allowed to use a Mushroom, Flower, Yoshi or Cape if it's absolutley necessary

Only Yoshi is necessary, and if he is not allowed it is still probably possible to beat it without him, I would have to check

I can still collect coins right? Avoiding them would make the run extra tricky.

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So if I can beat the game without getting Yoshi (as well as all other items) then that would be the only acceptable route? (Meaning that if it is possible to do, I would have to do a no warp run as the only way I know of to beat Star Road 4 is to use a Yoshi to eat the Blue Turtle so I can fly under and get the key).

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Lets say I'm interested if you can prove that you can beat the game indeed without collecting anything at all.

Then I guess you're not interested. As I said earlier, collecting *nothing* puts Star Road out of the question, and because you have to beat Forest of Illusion 3 using the key (which requires you to be able to smash yellow blocks, I tried to throw a turtle through the wall... some good that did me :P) it would be impossible to beat the game collecting nothing.

When I originally thought of it I wasn't thinking of Yoshi as an item, but I suppose it makes since that he is. From what I can figure out, it is impossible to beat the game without getting some sort of upgrade for Mario. He must either be big, or use Yoshi. Sad

[quote]Lets say I'm interested if you can prove that you can beat the game indeed without collecting anything at all. [/quote]

I was kind of counting on a Yoshi (I will need 3 of them) to help me with a few levels (Donut Plains 1, Vanilla Dome 1 and Vanilla Secret 1, Star Road 4).  Also would this mean I could not pick up turtle shells to throw at enemies?

[quote]You'd only be allowed to use a Mushroom, Flower, Yoshi or Cape if it's absolutley necessary[/quote]

Only Yoshi is necessary, and if he is not allowed it is still probably possible to beat it without him, I would have to check

I can still collect coins right?  Avoiding them would make the run extra tricky.

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So if I can beat the game without getting Yoshi (as well as all other items) then that would be the only acceptable route?  (Meaning that if it is possible to do, I would have to do a no warp run as the only way I know of to beat Star Road 4 is to use a Yoshi to eat the Blue Turtle so I can fly under and get the key).

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[quote]Lets say I'm interested if you can prove that you can beat the game indeed without collecting anything at all.[/quote]
Then I guess you're not interested.  As I said earlier, collecting *nothing* puts Star Road out of the question, and because you have to beat Forest of Illusion 3 using the key (which requires you to be able to smash yellow blocks, I tried to throw a turtle through the wall... some good that did me  :P) it would be impossible to beat the game collecting nothing.

When I originally thought of it I wasn't thinking of Yoshi as an item, but I suppose it makes since that he is.  From what I can figure out, it is impossible to beat the game without getting some sort of upgrade for Mario.  He must either be big, or use Yoshi.  :(

jimsfriend

2005-08-12 04:26:58 pm

Like A Fox

Would it be better if I just tried to bead sdkess 10:56 then?

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-08-12 05:02:30 pm

2005-08-12 04:50:23 pm

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The way I see it then is that you need at least one yoshi or one mushroom to beat the game.

One mushroom will get you into green switch palace which you need to bypass starworld 4 (in addition to the red palace)

Alternatively one yoshi will carry you through that level.

BUT:
You can't reach star world in World 3 and 4 without cape, can you? Then you'd have to survive until Forest of Illusion, do 1 - 2 - 3 - ghost normal exits and then in FoI4... is it possible to reach that pipe without cape?

If not you're screwed, you'll need an extra mushroom to enter star world, then you can use Star World 1 as well and the run dies. Smiley

Question: How many levels apart from star word require you to get stuff? Only FoI3? That would be another one mushroom solution then.

EDIT: Nope, Chocolate Island 3 needs a cape too.

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jimsfriend: 2005-08-12 05:13:43 pm

2005-08-12 05:13:21 pm

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I'll check out choco 3 but other than that I will tell you how my original plan was. (Using Yoshi) Donut Plains 4 pick up Yoshi, Dome 1 use Yoshi to get blue turtle and fly up to key. Dome secret 1 use Yoshi to jump reeeeeeally freakin high and get into that pipe out to the secret exit to the star world (Yoshi is lost here) and then don't need another Yoshi (to sit on) until Star Road 4.

But as Yoshi is considered an item, I guess I will have to do a regular run and beat Donut Secret House Sad

Just a thought:
It might be possible to beat the game using only one Yoshi. (Red button can be gotten with small Mario if I remember correctly). Would have to get red green and blue buttons. Then go to Vannila secret 1 and jump off Yoshi into the pipe...

I just thought of something else that might let me beat the game with no Mario upgrades. I'll go check that out now

And about "minimalist"... so low points and coins would be required too? Ugh

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Gorash: 2005-08-12 05:39:20 pm

2005-08-12 05:23:23 pm

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Ha, I forgot: you can skip Chocolat 3 with the secret exit of Chocolat 2. I watched the passages in vipers video now.

Suggested route would be:

Yoshis Island:
(1 - yellow palace if like) - 2 - 3 - 4 - castle
Donut Plains:
1 - 2 - ghost - 3 - 4 - castle
Vanilla Dome:
1 - 2 - (red palace if you like) - ghost - 3 - 4 - castle
Cheese Bridge:
cheese bridge area - cookie mountain - castle
Forest of Illusion:
1 - 2 - (blue palace if you like) - 3 - castle
use mushroom in 3 and get rid of it asap in castle
Chocolate Island:
1 - ghost - 2 - secret - castle - ghost ship
Bowsers Valley:
1 - 2 - fortress - backdoor

32-38 exists, depending on the palaces you take (and I'd take at least blue and red)

As far as I checked this route is possible with just 1 mushroom which is so far minimum.

If you pull that one off, I'm definitely interested, the last two worlds are insane without cape.

Points and coins don't matter with me, but you'll have to actively avoid places that grant you big status,
like minigoals and the mushroom of peach.

Ha, I forgot: you can skip Chocolat 3 with the secret exit of Chocolat 2. I watched the passages in vipers video now.

Suggested route would be:

Yoshis Island: 
 (1 - yellow palace if like) - 2 - 3 - 4 - castle
Donut Plains:
 1 - 2 - ghost - 3 - 4 - castle
Vanilla Dome:
 1 - 2 - (red palace if you like) - ghost - 3 - 4 - castle
Cheese Bridge:
 cheese bridge area - cookie mountain - castle
Forest of Illusion:
 1 - 2 - (blue palace if you like) - 3 - castle
 use mushroom in 3 and get rid of it asap in castle
Chocolate Island:
 1 - ghost - 2 - secret - castle - ghost ship
Bowsers Valley:
 1 - 2 - fortress - backdoor

32-38 exists, depending on the palaces you take (and I'd take at least blue and red)

As far as I checked this route is possible with just 1 mushroom which is so far minimum.

If you pull that one off, I'm definitely interested, the last two worlds are insane without cape.

Points and coins don't matter with me, but you'll have to actively avoid places that grant you big status, 
like minigoals and the mushroom of peach.

jimsfriend

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jimsfriend: 2005-12-10 04:03:56 am

2005-08-12 05:51:28 pm

Like A Fox

SCORE!!! :cheers:

The game can be beat without any Mario upgrades and no Yoshi's (although it would be nice if I was aloud to carry a baby Yoshi during the star road, although not necessary).

Here goes: Yoshi's Island, no yellow switch
Take regular exit out of Donut plains 1
Donut Plains 2: Take one of the hard shell dudes into the pipe leading to the secret area up the pipe so I can get the vine to come out and climb up to the key
Beat it again regular.
Donut Ghost House-Casle #2 are fine.
Vanilla dome 1 regular exit.
Vanilla dome 2 both exits (get the red switch palace)
Finish vanilla dome, shorter bridge, and castle #4 (i think)... Ludwigs castle
FOrest of Illusion 1
FoI2 secret exit
Blue switch palace
Vanilla dome 1 secret exit
Vanilla secret 1 secret exit (placing the spring on the blue switches to jump uber high and get into the pipe)
Star road can be done
Bowsers castle can be done

This route through the game unfortunately will be very very hard, but then I suppose Jason Baum's run was pretty hard too (I think I read somehwere it took him 4 months to complete?)

SCORE!!!   :cheers:

The game can be beat without any Mario upgrades and no Yoshi's (although it would be nice if I was aloud to carry a baby Yoshi during the star road, although not necessary).

Here goes:  Yoshi's Island, no yellow switch
Take regular exit out of Donut plains 1
Donut Plains 2:  Take one of the hard shell dudes into the pipe leading to the secret area up the pipe so I can get the vine to come out and climb up to the key
Beat it again regular.
Donut Ghost House-Casle #2 are fine.
Vanilla dome 1 regular exit.
Vanilla dome 2 both exits (get the red switch palace)
Finish vanilla dome, shorter bridge, and castle #4 (i think)... Ludwigs castle
FOrest of Illusion 1
FoI2 secret exit
Blue switch palace
Vanilla dome 1 secret exit
Vanilla secret 1 secret exit (placing the spring on the blue switches to jump uber high and get into the pipe)
Star road can be done
Bowsers castle can be done

This route through the game unfortunately will be very very hard, but then I suppose Jason Baum's run was pretty hard too (I think I read somehwere it took him 4 months to complete?)

andrewg

2005-08-12 05:51:33 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

what about an smb3 speedrun without getting any mushrooms?

jimsfriend

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jimsfriend: 2005-08-12 05:58:23 pm

2005-08-12 05:54:30 pm

Like A Fox

I have no NES... and I am not good at smb3.

That run is for someone else

EDIT:
I never even beat the game :-[

andrewg

2005-08-12 05:56:07 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

i could do that much easier than a regular smb3 speedrun Smiley

jimsfriend

2005-08-12 06:03:59 pm

Like A Fox

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Points and coins don't matter with me, but you'll have to actively avoid places that grant you big status,
like minigoals and the mushroom of peach

So as long as I don't "go out of my way" *cough* to collect coins and rack up points but remain small with no Yoshi the run would be accepted by SDA?

(I can hit a question box with a yoshi and a mushroom in it as long as I don't collect what comes out right?)

andrewg

2005-08-12 06:13:24 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

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(I can hit a question box with a yoshi and a mushroom in it as long as I don't collect what comes out right?)

i am sure you can do this, but not about the other questions

jimsfriend

2005-08-12 06:14:31 pm

Like A Fox

Cool... but I won't be opening any Yoshi boxes as they temporarily pause the game Cry

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-08-12 06:21:03 pm

2005-08-12 06:20:35 pm

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I'm not making the rules either.

PM Radix if he doesn't see this topic until tomorrow.

My proposal for rules would be:

Restrictions:
Mario must never be big and must never sit on a Yoshi.
Small Yoshis?
I don't see why not, they are like a protective shell that takes more than one hit, and you'll need shells anyway.
Stars?
Don't know. I'd be against it. It's a powerup for Mario, even if only temporary.

jimsfriend

2005-08-12 06:28:18 pm

Like A Fox

Wasn't planning on grabbing any stars as I had the same view you did.

The route will not make Mario big and he will never sit on a Yoshi.

Bladegash

2005-08-12 07:32:19 pm

Roboticus is Champion!

Make sure you don't touch any midway points!

PS - This run will most likely not be accepted. =P

tmont

2005-08-13 01:34:24 am

Not going to school today

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Make sure you don't touch any midway points!

PS - This run will most likely not be accepted. =P

Maybe not, but it would still be pretty cool to see. I think this is a pretty good idea for "low %" Mario runs, and maybe it could even be taken to every (2D) Mario game. By that, I mean beat it by never getting power ups or items. It seems the same to me as a Metroid low %, even though the game doesn't actually keep track for you (except SMW).

jimsfriend

2005-08-13 01:42:09 am

Like A Fox

Well if it doesn't get accepted I'll just have to learn Donut Secret House :P. I was planning on doing a regular run eventually anyway... but who knows.

toltas

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toltas: 2005-08-13 04:27:43 am

2005-08-13 04:27:16 am

This run sounds really interesting, but insanely challenging.

500 tries & 2 months later....still going

I dont see why this wouldnt be accepted, i think the definition of a low% mario run is what they are talking about (no powerups/yoshi sitting/checkpoints)

jimsfriend

2005-08-13 04:40:44 am

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500 tries & 2 months later....still going

Yeah... especially once school starts. But it can't be any worse than Jason Baum whose run was "the result of a few hundred attempts over the span of about four months"

I'm gonna have to download his run again to see what he did in FoI2 since I will probably be doing pretty much the same thing.

hhallahh

2005-08-13 07:44:50 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Heh, even if not accepted, this would be a fun run to watch.

Pweisger

2005-08-13 07:47:54 pm

PwNzRd!

With most games, even if this site won't accept them they would still be worth watching. I would attempt a speed run, even if I knew this place wouldn't accept it, because it could still be a good run, regardless.

jimsfriend

2005-08-13 09:37:04 pm

Like A Fox

Yeah, but if this site won't accept it I will just do the single segment fast completion first, then I will do the small run for my own enjoyment. Some of the levels aren't looking as cool to watch as I had originally hoped... because it is impossible to complete the entire level running fast (so far). More trial and error might find a better way though... hopefully.