Summer Marathon Practice

2011-06-19 10:22:12 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

This is where people should post their progress on practicing their games. The marathon is going to come up in about a month and a half, so if you haven't started practicing your games, START PRACTICING RIGHT NOW.

What happens when you don't practice your games? One word: Halo

A couple of notes:

-Feel free to double post if you've made progress on your games.

-Posting times is a good thing! It shows whether the estimate I posted is too high or too low. However, I'm much more willing to raise an estimate than lower it.

-If you can stream, do so. People like watching streams, and it proves you really are practicing.

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Zyre

2011-06-19 06:57:34 pm

The Speedrunning Teacher

I'll get things started on this.

Dynamite Headdy: I've been practicing this one the most, as I want this to be a good race against Arrow. I've also been timing myself and recording my practices, and I can say that I may be able to even submit a run that improves on Arrow's run from 2005. But as there is a level or two that relies solely on luck, best to keep the estimate at 50 minutes.

Sonic 3D Blast & Rocket Knight: Haven't touched since JRDQ. Will be picking these back up starting hopefully this week, next week for sure.

I do plan on setting a steady streaming schedule for Monday nights. Check my streaming thread for updates.

Tranquilite

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Super Metroid: Just played through tonight where i pulled off a 1:07, didn't miss anything, and was never in any great danger, here's hoping that i can get my consistency down to the point where I don't have to worry about any embarrassing deaths or whatnot.

VVVVVV: I'm looking to pull off about the same consistency as JRDQ, I plan on spending more time on 100%, as I am fairly certain the donations will put me into 100% territory again.

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2011-06-19 08:09:06 pm

SGL Scrublord

Demon's Crest: Looking good, and I posted my route in the Older Games forum as well. Averaging 55 or so, but had one good run at 50:13, and I think the route has potential to easily beat the current record, especially as I would~~~~n't go to town to buy potions in a submitted run~~ buy a ginseng to fly into the final boss and tear him up as fast as possible~~ would skip the ginseng entirely, saving the need for money collection and saving more time than being in Phalanx's face...
Attempts: 6/19 50:23, with a death and a few experiments...6/21 47:30, yea, I might be puttin on a show this year, and I even missed the vertical Flame Lord kill and got tagged by a few bats in the Ice Palace AND the Crawler was a prick...6/21 51:27, Horrible Ice Palce, died trying the Flame Lord trick, and laggy as hell Phalanx battle...6/22 48ish, took a call which whacked out my timer, died on Ice Palace Flier (swear that he only spun around 3 times before lunging...its ALWAYS 4 times and Holothurion was a prick...6/23 48:12, beats the record, and I got trolled by EVERY DAMN BOSS...6/30 47:36, if I didn't get hit by a bat in the Ice Palace, and didn't swig my Ginseng accidentally, it'd be quicker. Also, closest Phalanx fight EVER...7/5 49:23, Arma be trollin, and wacky hijinx under the town. They be bats, and we know what bats do in games...7/7 47:15, can we get a challenge going asking for a tier of donation for every 30 seconds I beat the record by? Where's Poxnor? Where's that poor guy who was watching Castle Crashers on Nyquil?...7/8 48:03 Phalanx decided shooting lighting for a solid minute straight would be fun...7/10 49:47, Crawler actually crawled into me, all the way left twice, and didn't open its eye for about 1:20 easy, though I learned if you fly above Phalanx and then drop down into range again, he often is baited into lowering his arms/firing his laser. That might make it less random...7/16, 47:10, Would have been sub 47 but I forgot to change over to Armor Talisman on Arma 3 and took a surprise Demon Fire to the grill. 8 damage anyone? The new Phalanx trick does indeed work, he will almost always cover up for a beam attack and every now and then he will just randomly fire one when you drop down. Its pretty cool...7/19 48:55, played like absolute crap, died twice by accident, got trolled by the graveyard and even experimented (poorly) with some new speed tricks and STILL beat the record...7/21, 46:15, I'll let that speak for itself...7/24, 47:50, died setting up the vertical Flame Lord kill (I'm wondering if the effort/randomness/waiting to set it up outweighs the time gain most of the time. Also accidentally swigged my Ginseng on Phalanx 2, that won't be an issue for a real speed run...7/25 48:16, There's a trade off in the Forest, the Ice Plain, and the Water Palace between human input and frame perfect. The TAS gets no lag in any of those spots, but it seems I'm not so lucky. Aerial might be used a bit more for overall speed (as opposed to pure speed from dashing) due to the lag and accompanying loss of input, compounding the issue. Still, beat the record by 3 and a half minutes, boom...7/26, 48:59, things got a little 'batty,' and I've confirmed the thresholds of lag in the Forest and Water Palace...7/29, 47:22, Bad bats, random RNG death, wussed out and used a ginseng, but I won't be upset if my marathon time beats the record by 4 minutes...

The Guardian Legend: Still runnin like a dream, but I need to set up a reliable timer. I'll be practicing without extra health ups, as my primary donation challenge will have me skipping one per level met, up to the three extras I was going to grab for security.
Attempts: 6/21 55:30, Corridor 10 is still a nightmare, had a last second save using enemy erasers... 6/30 54:59, used EEs more than I cared to, somehow killed Terramute in three cycles (GREATLY intrigued) and got an item box to drop off a corridor boss upon defeat. First time ever...6/7 59:04 Caught some bad luck in the form of an ungrabbable item box (its a glitch that happen on occasion) on the Corridor 10 boss. The game said sorry by not letting me get hit on the Clawbot (then gave it back by having It throw nothing but leftward bubbles)...7/13, 55:08, Got the Slime Master quick kill in area 6...but then the Bubble Crab didn't cooperate, and a very weird final boss gauntlet, but no matter...7/24, 55:26, bad spawns, bad spawns everywhere!...7/72, 55:12, Used so many Enemy Erasers on It, he threw so many bubbles left it wasn't even funny...

Castle Crashers: Played through it a few times, watching Mike's run and trying to match up certain tricks. Yay, I can juggle better than a no armed clown now! But flying is $%#@ing hard...

EDIT: I'd love to stream the first two, but it seems that no matter what I do, Flash Media Encoder blows up my computer. And I'll just reedit this post with my practice times as to not clog up the thread.

Demon's Crest: Looking good, and I posted my route in the Older Games forum as well. Averaging 55 or so, but had one good run at 50:13, and I think the route has potential to easily beat the current record, especially as I would[s][s]n't go to town to buy potions in a submitted run[/s] buy a ginseng to fly into the final boss and tear him up as fast as possible[/s] would skip the ginseng entirely, saving the need for money collection and saving more time than being [u]in[/u] Phalanx's face...
Attempts: 6/19 50:23, with a death and a few experiments...6/21 47:30, yea, I might be puttin on a show this year, and I even missed the vertical Flame Lord kill and got tagged by a few bats in the Ice Palace AND the Crawler was a prick...6/21 51:27, Horrible Ice Palce, died trying the Flame Lord trick, and laggy as hell Phalanx battle...6/22 48ish, took a call which whacked out my timer, died on Ice Palace Flier (swear that he only spun around 3 times before lunging...its ALWAYS 4 times and Holothurion was a prick...6/23 48:12, beats the record, and I got trolled by EVERY DAMN BOSS...6/30 47:36, if I didn't get hit by a bat in the Ice Palace, and didn't swig my Ginseng accidentally, it'd be quicker. Also, closest Phalanx fight EVER...7/5 49:23, Arma be trollin, and wacky hijinx under the town. They be bats, and we know what bats do in games...7/7 47:15, can we get a challenge going asking for a tier of donation for every 30 seconds I beat the record by? Where's Poxnor? Where's that poor guy who was watching Castle Crashers on Nyquil?...7/8 48:03 Phalanx decided shooting lighting for a solid minute straight would be fun...7/10 49:47, Crawler actually crawled into me, all the way left twice, and didn't open its eye for about 1:20 easy, though I learned if you fly above Phalanx and then drop down into range again, he often is baited into lowering his arms/firing his laser. That might make it less random...7/16, 47:10, Would have been sub 47 but I forgot to change over to Armor Talisman on Arma 3 and took a surprise Demon Fire to the grill. 8 damage anyone? The new Phalanx trick does indeed work, he will almost always cover up for a beam attack and every now and then he will just randomly fire one when you drop down. Its pretty cool...7/19 48:55, played like absolute crap, died twice by accident, got trolled by the graveyard and even experimented (poorly) with some new speed tricks and [u][b]STILL[/b][/u] beat the record...7/21, 46:15, I'll let that speak for itself...7/24, 47:50, died setting up the vertical Flame Lord kill (I'm wondering if the effort/randomness/waiting to set it up outweighs the time gain most of the time. Also accidentally swigged my Ginseng on Phalanx 2, that won't be an issue for a real speed run...7/25 48:16, There's a trade off in the Forest, the Ice Plain, and the Water Palace between human input and frame perfect. The TAS gets no lag in any of those spots, but it seems I'm not so lucky. Aerial might be used a bit more for overall speed (as opposed to pure speed from dashing) due to the lag and accompanying loss of input, compounding the issue. Still, beat the record by 3 and a half minutes, boom...7/26, 48:59, things got a little 'batty,' and I've confirmed the thresholds of lag in the Forest and Water Palace...7/29, 47:22, Bad bats, random RNG death, wussed out and used a ginseng, but I won't be upset if my marathon time beats the record by 4 minutes...

The Guardian Legend: Still runnin like a dream, but I need to set up a reliable timer. I'll be practicing without extra health ups, as my primary donation challenge will have me skipping one per level met, up to the three extras I was going to grab for security.
Attempts: 6/21 55:30, Corridor 10 is still a nightmare, had a last second save using enemy erasers... 6/30 54:59, used EEs more than I cared to, somehow killed Terramute in three cycles (GREATLY intrigued) and got an item box to drop off a corridor boss upon defeat. First time ever...6/7 59:04 Caught some bad luck in the form of an ungrabbable item box (its a glitch that happen on occasion) on the Corridor 10 boss. The game said sorry by not letting me get hit on the Clawbot (then gave it back by having It throw nothing but leftward bubbles)...7/13, 55:08, Got the Slime Master quick kill in area 6...but then the Bubble Crab didn't cooperate, and a very weird final boss gauntlet, but no matter...7/24, 55:26, bad spawns, bad spawns everywhere!...7/72, 55:12, Used so many Enemy Erasers on It, he threw so many bubbles left it wasn't even funny...

Castle Crashers: Played through it a few times, watching Mike's run and trying to match up certain tricks. Yay, I can juggle better than a no armed clown now! But flying is $%#@ing hard...

EDIT: I'd love to stream the first two, but it seems that no matter what I do, Flash Media Encoder blows up my computer. And I'll just reedit this post with my practice times as to not clog up the thread.

Essentia

2011-06-19 10:18:16 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep - I've mainly been working on Ventus's story. I've got his route all figured out, and I found an exploit on the final boss that speeds up the battle quite a bit. My best time with him is 2:58, but that was before I'd gotten everything worked out, and I'm pretty sure I can improve that time by at least 20 minutes. I just got some A/V cables for my PSP, so I should be able to stream some practice attempts.

pevergreen

2011-06-19 10:41:08 pm

What program are people using to stream through justin.tv?

I've got the free thing, but it seems to be an x amount of uses one.

Not that important, I'm just a helper for the L4D2 run Smiley

Darkwing Duck

2011-06-20 03:54:34 pm

Highly Evolved

My namesake is what needs the most work, and it's coming along well enough. Pinpoint jumping is the biggest thing. Also have to play enough to get enemy patterns engrained into my head. Have to find safe pathways so that I know what to do when I take damage, and Liquidator's stage has me taking quite a bit of damage intentionally. That first screen is a bit of a nightmare to not take three hits. One hit is mandatory, and two hits is usual.

Gombill

2011-06-21 01:01:53 pm

Doing a lot of practice for my 70 star Mario 64 run mostly. It has been a long time since I've gotten over 58 minutes on a run. My best is 56:32 but I should be able to get under 55 before the marathon.

I stream from here occasionally: http://www.justin.tv/gombill
It is not always 70 star runs though, but is usually some sort of Mario 64.

Quake 2 still needs some more work at this point. Ive done some Easy mode runs fairly recently and even a little out of practice I can easily get under 40 minutes real time.

Dessyreqt

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Dessyreqt: 2011-07-08 02:03:39 am

2011-06-21 03:36:08 pm

My Super Metroid practice from last night:

Basically, I did a 1:07, but there was a lot of fail in that run. Biggest thing off the top of my head was the clip to the Spring Ball. The SRL time for that run is 1:41:31 (basically real time.) I feel like I can get a 1:05 in game, which would be just under 1:40. But I really need to work on consistency and falling back to less risky strategies in tough situations. I died twice the other night while racing Reaif. I also crashed my game trying to perform the stand-up glitch, so I really need to make myself more comfortable with some of the crash conditions of that glitch and how to avoid them.

As a side note, we've discovered through SRL races that Tranquilite and Reaif's route will produce a lower in-game time to the same IRL time as my route. Tranquite did an impressive 1:06 run in 1:43:xx realtime, where I did a 1:08 run in 1:41:xx. So it's possible that something similar could happen during the race, where one player finishes first but has a worse in-game time. I don't even know what route UraniumAnchor uses, but I bet it could be something even more different.

My Super Metroid practice from last night:

Basically, I did a 1:07, but there was a lot of fail in that run. Biggest thing off the top of my head was the clip to the Spring Ball. The SRL time for that run is 1:41:31 (basically real time.) I feel like I can get a 1:05 in game, which would be just under 1:40. But I really need to work on consistency and falling back to less risky strategies in tough situations. I died twice the other night while racing Reaif. I also crashed my game trying to perform the stand-up glitch, so I really need to make myself more comfortable with some of the crash conditions of that glitch and how to avoid them.

As a side note, we've discovered through SRL races that Tranquilite and Reaif's route will produce a lower in-game time to the same IRL time as my route. Tranquite did an impressive 1:06 run in 1:43:xx realtime, where I did a 1:08 run in 1:41:xx. So it's possible that something similar could happen during the race, where one player finishes first but has a worse in-game time. I don't even know what route UraniumAnchor uses, but I bet it could be something even more different.

DarkKobold

2011-06-22 11:10:17 am

RPG TASer

I've been practicing Mega Man 3 daily - but I never time it. Also, been fighting to get one of my two capture cards to work, so I can stream.

Does anyone know if the NES can output to both composite and RF adapters at the same time?

Also, my route has me getting Rush Jet before Magnet Man, but I'm practicing doing the disappearing blocks without - maybe people will want to see this? (Donations?)

Finally, when I practice, I practice for a single attempt run, not a blazing-no-holds-barred speedrun, since there aren't any resets during the actual marathon. I don't know about others, but I think that is the best format to practice.

Terribleno

2011-06-22 11:14:15 am

Quote:

Does anyone know if the NES can output to both composite and RF adapters at the same time?

If I recall the owner's manual correctly, it specifically tells you not to do that, but it doesn't say if both work. May as well try it.

theseawolf1

2011-06-22 12:01:52 pm

SGL Scrublord

I used both outputs for my Guardian Legend recording, and I didn't have any troubles, so go for it.

Mecha Richter

2011-06-22 01:24:15 pm

Haters gonna hate

I do it when I'm streaming NES and SNES and had no trouble at all.

romscout

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2011-06-22 03:42:13 pm

that Metroidvania guy

After not really touching games at all for like a month, played a bit at J's on Monday, practiced some Portal tricks yesterday, and now did actual practice runs today for the marathon.

I did a SotN run in 30:32 real time (for reference, my newest XBLA record in real time is 29:58) and even figured out a few things I hadn't before to consistently save some time (it's not really worth mentioning because it's stuff that's so miniscule that only a SotN runner would notice). Considering all the time I've taken off from the game, doesn't seem too bad.

I did a Portal run shortly after that and got 24:14 (including load times). It should be noted that this computer has horrible load times compared to the one I used before and I bet Tranquilite's computer will load stuff much faster in the game. I hit some stuff first try that I didn't expect but of course had some flubs as well since I'm rusty, but overall I feel pretty good about where I'll be with that game at the marathon.

JMan and I did co-op practice of Kirby Super Star on Monday and that 1 hour mark looks to be way more than enough, especially since we only have to beat Dyna Blade, Revenge of Metaknight, Great Cave Offensive, and Milky Way Wishes to see the credits (yep, no Spring Breeze). We didn't exactly time anything but had a few ideas going for time savers and basically just got back into the gist of running this. JMan will be player 1, so he will have some extra stuff he can practice on his own for a while, but otherwise we're planning on him coming down at least the weekend before the marathon and practicing the game a lot more before we head to Utah. We'll make sure to time runs at that point, too.

For Castle Crashers, I don't have an internet connection going to the 360 right now but I will fix that this week. After that, I will practice with anyone running the game at the marathon who has the 360 version. I already know that duckfist and JMan plan to play online with me for practice, but anyone else wanting to do that should PM me or something.

P.S. no idea when I'll get a stream setup going again. It might be a while. Sorry. :x

After not really touching games at all for like a month, played a bit at J's on Monday, practiced some Portal tricks yesterday, and now did actual practice runs today for the marathon.

I did a SotN run in 30:32 real time (for reference, my newest XBLA record in real time is 29:58) and even figured out a few things I hadn't before to consistently save some time (it's not really worth mentioning because it's stuff that's so miniscule that only a SotN runner would notice). Considering all the time I've taken off from the game, doesn't seem too bad.

I did a Portal run shortly after that and got 24:14 (including load times). It should be noted that this computer has horrible load times compared to the one I used before and I bet Tranquilite's computer will load stuff much faster in the game. I hit some stuff first try that I didn't expect but of course had some flubs as well since I'm rusty, but overall I feel pretty good about where I'll be with that game at the marathon.

JMan and I did co-op practice of Kirby Super Star on Monday and that 1 hour mark looks to be way more than enough, especially since we only have to beat Dyna Blade, Revenge of Metaknight, Great Cave Offensive, and Milky Way Wishes to see the credits (yep, no Spring Breeze). We didn't exactly time anything but had a few ideas going for time savers and basically just got back into the gist of running this. JMan will be player 1, so he will have some extra stuff he can practice on his own for a while, but otherwise we're planning on him coming down at least the weekend before the marathon and practicing the game a lot more before we head to Utah. We'll make sure to time runs at that point, too.

For Castle Crashers, I don't have an internet connection going to the 360 right now but I will fix that this week. After that, I will practice with anyone running the game at the marathon who has the 360 version. I already know that duckfist and JMan plan to play online with me for practice, but anyone else wanting to do that should PM me or something.

P.S. no idea when I'll get a stream setup going again. It might be a while. Sorry. :x

Reaif

2011-06-23 12:28:42 pm

Last night I played through Zelda: ALttP a couple of times on the any % category. With lots of simple mistakes and a some planning errors, I was able to get 1:59, so things appear to be going very well so far.

Aftermath

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2011-06-23 02:24:18 pm

Quits halfway

Julius mode won't be happening unless I get a DS Lite. It's impossible to play with the default control scheme, so I'd have to use action replay to change it, which doesn't work on a DSi or 3DS. It's $90, so I don't think I'll buy, would anyone want to loan me one via the mail?

Other modes are coming along well. PoR's Richiter mode always makes it under estimate, although I need more practice under the recording setup so that I don't die so often due to control mistakes (in addition to dying from greed against Death/Drac). Also will have to find a way to keep my head out of view, which is suddenly a problem with this new setup.

DoS NG+ is fine, will be practicing more for sure though, so it's cleaner than the one for JRDQ.

CVHD is easy as always, but I fear that my corner boosting won't be up to par for a while because of the speed changes between the 3 games. I did a couple runthroughs, but didn't time them, will do that soon, so I can give an accurate estimate for this. Zyre, I'll PM you soon about getting the game and save over to your Xbox. From what I've read, I basically give you my account info and save file, then you recover my gamertag to your system then you can DL anything I've bought and run my save file as long as you're signed in.

Julius mode won't be happening unless I get a DS Lite. It's impossible to play with the default control scheme, so I'd have to use action replay to change it, which doesn't work on a DSi or 3DS. It's $90, so I don't think I'll buy, would anyone want to loan me one via the mail?

Other modes are coming along well. PoR's Richiter mode always makes it under estimate, although I need more practice under the recording setup so that I don't die so often due to control mistakes (in addition to dying from greed against Death/Drac). Also will have to find a way to keep my head out of view, which is suddenly a problem with this new setup.

DoS NG+ is fine, will be practicing more for sure though, so it's cleaner than the one for JRDQ.

CVHD is easy as always, but I fear that my corner boosting won't be up to par for a while because of the speed changes between the 3 games. I did a couple runthroughs, but didn't time them, will do that soon, so I can give an accurate estimate for this. Zyre, I'll PM you soon about getting the game and save over to your Xbox. From what I've read, I basically give you my account info and save file, then you recover my gamertag to your system then you can DL anything I've bought and run my save file as long as you're signed in.

Tranquilite

2011-06-23 02:57:56 pm

I have a spare DS lite that i am willing to loan, however A) It needs to be reassembled, and B) I am out of town visiting family

I wont be getting back til mid July, So if you are still interested then, I could contact you again. I could also bring one to the marathon, but I suspect you would want to practice first before then Tongue

Darkwing Duck

2011-06-24 09:19:24 pm

Highly Evolved

Didn't practice last night due to my donations to the porcelain god for overusing sake, but got a good lick in tonight. I'm wondering how best to traverse Bushroot and Quackerjack. Quackerjack is a bit difficult to hit with arrows, and I miss often against Bushroot since the easiest way to hit him is being near him, and arrows don't do 3HP of damage until they appear on screen.

I wonder if I should take the time to get the arrow gas at the beginning of Liquidator (that shows up as a correctly spelled word?). It makes the rest of that screen marginally easier, and the ten gas doesn't hurt.

I hate the big hitbox I have. I guess I need to make it harder on myself, eh?

Kubelwagon

2011-06-24 10:36:33 pm

Left 4 Dead 2 will be fun.

pevergreen

2011-06-24 11:30:47 pm

For anyone that looks at anything I do and doubts me, remember he is playing with a ping of 5, and mine is 300. Tongue

Very nice quality video.

Darkwing Duck

2011-06-26 03:32:34 pm

Highly Evolved

Hopefully, I'll get a sub-15:00 for DW.

Reaif

2011-06-30 03:40:05 pm

The other night I got a 1:45 on Link to the Past Any%, so things are looking much better. My goal for the Marathon is to get a consistent 1:40 or so.

forever

2011-07-01 11:52:42 pm

hi

Quote from mikwuyma:

What happens when you don't practice your games? One word: Halo

I feel a bit bad for Cody Miller for this. It's always going to be used as an example now. I'm a big Halo speedrunner fan so I was looking forward to it. And I hope it doesn't discourage anyone from trying a live Halo speedrun again.

ZenicReverie

2011-07-02 09:25:40 am

Waiting hurts my soul...

Probably will always be attributed to that, but he's getting a chance to make up for it at the next AGDQ I believe.

dballin

2011-07-02 06:09:40 pm

Balls jerky

We can always call it the F Zero rule and hate on some andrewg