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MatrixTN

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MatrixTN: 2009-05-12 10:52:21 pm

2009-05-12 10:45:48 pm

You got a deletion wish?

Quote from DK28:

But there is also a youtube member called "speeddemosarchiveSDA"

IIRC, that's laughing gas. I gave him permission to put my Bouncer runs up there.

And it appears someone else has them playlisted from him. Another just has the 2nd part of the Sion run.

Manocheese

2009-05-12 11:18:25 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Quote from ExplodingCabbage:

This negotiation seems to be close to reaching a compromise acceptable to all parties. What I propose is that I now send him a final message laying out the terms on which we are willing for him to continue posting runs. If it were up to me, those terms would be these:

* If a run has already been uploaded onto youtube under the runner's account, he should not upload the run to his own channel without first obtaining the runner's explicit permission (which in those circumstances is unlikely to be provided). He may, however, create playlists on his account containing the runners' videos on their accounts - indeed this is something that we actively encourage him to do, since it brings more exposure to the runs and the runner's profiles.

* If a run is uploaded on youtube by what appears to be a third party, he should message the runner to tell them about this and to ask permission, and not upload the run until such permission is granted. Note that what appears to be a third party may simply be the runner's account under a different name. Also, if the third party is a genuine speedrun thief, he is likely to earn the runner's goodwill by bringing it to their attention, which can only be good for him.

* If a run is not yet on youtube, he may upload it. However, he must message each runner either before or immediately after uploading a speedrun, politely telling them that he intends to upload their run and offering to remove it immediately should the runner object to this. Giving the runner a few days to see the message and reply to it prior to uploading the run would be the preferred method.

* If the run is not on youtube already, he messages the runner and no response is gained from the runner and they appear to have disappeared from SDA and the internets, then he may operate on a presumption that keeping the run on his channel is okay - after all, most runners are happy to get their run out to a wider audience, and having runs in more than one place means they will live longer if SDA someday explodes and nate is kidnapped by aliens. Naturally, if the runner should return and ask that UltimateSpeedRuns takes down the videos, UltimateSpeedRuns must do so.

However, of course I don't want to send him these terms without checking with people here first, since I'm not in a position to represent SDA. They seem perfectly acceptable and fair on everyone to me, but are there any objections from everyone else?

You can't speak for every runner. You hit the nail on the head in your first message: "It's their creation and their right to choose where it's shown." Like NoiseCrash said, you don't take something before you ask if it's okay to borrow it.

[quote="ExplodingCabbage"]This negotiation seems to be close to reaching a compromise acceptable to all parties. What I propose is that I now send him a final message laying out the terms on which we are willing for him to continue posting runs. If it were up to me, those terms would be these:

[spoiler]* If a run has already been uploaded onto youtube under the runner's account, he should not upload the run to his own channel without first obtaining the runner's explicit permission (which in those circumstances is unlikely to be provided). He may, however, create playlists on his account containing the runners' videos on their accounts - indeed this is something that we actively encourage him to do, since it brings more exposure to the runs and the runner's profiles.

* If a run is uploaded on youtube by what appears to be a third party, he should message the runner to tell them about this and to ask permission, and not upload the run until such permission is granted. Note that what appears to be a third party may simply be the runner's account under a different name. Also, if the third party is a genuine speedrun thief, he is likely to earn the runner's goodwill by bringing it to their attention, which can only be good for him.

* If a run is not yet on youtube, he may upload it. However, he must message each runner either before or immediately after uploading a speedrun, politely telling them that he intends to upload their run and offering to remove it immediately should the runner object to this. Giving the runner a few days to see the message and reply to it prior to uploading the run would be the preferred method.

* If the run is not on youtube already, he messages the runner and no response is gained from the runner and they appear to have disappeared from SDA and the internets, then he may operate on a presumption that keeping the run on his channel is okay - after all, most runners are happy to get their run out to a wider audience, and having runs in more than one place means they will live longer if SDA someday explodes and nate is kidnapped by aliens. Naturally, if the runner should return and ask that UltimateSpeedRuns takes down the videos, UltimateSpeedRuns must do so.[/spoiler]

However, of course I don't want to send him these terms without checking with people here first, since I'm not in a position to represent SDA. They seem perfectly acceptable and fair on everyone to me, but are there any objections from everyone else?[/quote]

You can't speak for every runner. You hit the nail on the head in your first message: "It's their creation and their right to choose where it's shown." Like NoiseCrash said, you don't take something before you ask if it's okay to borrow it.

VorpalEdge

2009-05-12 11:49:29 pm

welcome to the machine

I really don't get why runs on youtube are in themselves a problem. They are publicly available on this site for free. I don't understand why someone who submits to SDA to begin with would care about even wider dissemination. What is the difference between someone downloading it from youtube and someone getting it from here? Why would you submit your run to this site (and not, say, Twin Galaxies) if you didn't want it popping up all over the place?

Many of you are trying to exert a level of control over your runs that is not only impossible to exercise but, in the long run, harmful to the total number of viewers your run will have. There's nothing wrong with wanting proper attribution, of course. I agree that that should be a requirement. But other than that? As far as I'm concerned, youtube members can go crazy.

Also, in reply to Mr. Awesome Uploader Dude:

Quote:

I don't like it when people take my runs, even when they give credit, because 1) first and foremost it's a slap to the face to not even ask the person for permission (you took a run from SDA and the runners contact info is in the same fucking link....are e-mails that hard to send) 2) though credit is given in the description I can't even recall how many times I've seen a speedrun put on youtube with comments being directed towards the uploader on how great a video was - a lot of people don't read comments. 3) I don't understand why anyone would upload something that doesn't belong to them...period. If a video is already online on another site it doesn't need to be bukkaked all over the internet. 4) For myself personally my motivation to do speedruns comes from recognition of having done something (mainly from fellow speedrunners but also from random fans of a particular game); none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback and hence no point of having created the video in the first place.

1) it's not a slap to the face. By uploading a run to SDA, you are making it available to the entire world... and then you dislike it when the world does something with it?
2) I wouldn't base my job satisfaction on people who don't know how to read. Seriously, they like your run, even though they're some combination of stupid and lazy. Isn't that enough?
3) Duplication of content, to make it easier to find. Not everyone knows SDA exists, but with youtube, they can still find your runs. I've done stuff like this as a public service.
4) "none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback". I'm calling shenanigans on this one, sorry. Are these comments not directed at you despite me specifying a "Mr. Uploader Dude" earlier on in my post?

tl;dr: don't take it personally when lazy people are, well, lazy

I really don't get why runs on youtube are in themselves a problem.  They are [i]publicly available on this site for free[/i].  I don't understand why someone who submits to SDA to begin with would care about even wider dissemination.  What is the difference between someone downloading it from youtube and someone getting it from here?  Why would you submit your run to this site (and not, say, Twin Galaxies) if you didn't want it popping up all over the place?

Many of you are trying to exert a level of control over your runs that is not only impossible to exercise but, in the long run, harmful to the total number of viewers your run will have.  There's nothing wrong with wanting proper attribution, of course.  I agree that that should be a requirement.  But other than that?  As far as I'm concerned, youtube members can go crazy.

Also, in reply to Mr. Awesome Uploader Dude:
[quote]I don't like it when people take my runs, even when they give credit, because 1) first and foremost it's a slap to the face to not even ask the person for permission (you took a run from SDA and the runners contact info is in the same fucking link....are e-mails that hard to send) 2) though credit is given in the description I can't even recall how many times I've seen a speedrun put on youtube with comments being directed towards the uploader on how great a video was - a lot of people don't read comments.  3) I don't understand why anyone would upload something that doesn't belong to them...period.  If a video is already online on another site it doesn't need to be bukkaked all over the internet.  4) For myself personally my motivation to do speedruns comes from recognition of having done something (mainly from fellow speedrunners but also from random fans of a particular game); none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback and hence no point of having created the video in the first place.[/quote]

1) it's not a slap to the face.  By uploading a run to SDA, you are making it available to the entire world... and then you dislike it when the world does something with it?
2) I wouldn't base my job satisfaction on people who don't know how to read.  Seriously, they like your run, even though they're some combination of stupid and lazy.  Isn't that enough?
3) Duplication of content, to make it easier to find.  Not everyone knows SDA exists, but with youtube, they can still find your runs.  I've done [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSlA-wvbVzU]stuff like this[/url] as a public service.
4) "none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback".  I'm calling shenanigans on this one, sorry.  Are these comments not directed at you despite me specifying a "Mr. Uploader Dude" earlier on in my post?

tl;dr: don't take it personally when lazy people are, well, lazy

Ekudeht

2009-05-13 05:58:58 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Quote from VorpalEdge:

I really don't get why runs on youtube are in themselves a problem. They are publicly available on this site for free. I don't understand why someone who submits to SDA to begin with would care about even wider dissemination. What is the difference between someone downloading it from youtube and someone getting it from here? Why would you submit your run to this site (and not, say, Twin Galaxies) if you didn't want it popping up all over the place?

Many of you are trying to exert a level of control over your runs that is not only impossible to exercise but, in the long run, harmful to the total number of viewers your run will have. There's nothing wrong with wanting proper attribution, of course. I agree that that should be a requirement. But other than that? As far as I'm concerned, youtube members can go crazy.

Also, in reply to Mr. Awesome Uploader Dude:

Quote:

I don't like it when people take my runs, even when they give credit, because 1) first and foremost it's a slap to the face to not even ask the person for permission (you took a run from SDA and the runners contact info is in the same fucking link....are e-mails that hard to send) 2) though credit is given in the description I can't even recall how many times I've seen a speedrun put on youtube with comments being directed towards the uploader on how great a video was - a lot of people don't read comments. 3) I don't understand why anyone would upload something that doesn't belong to them...period. If a video is already online on another site it doesn't need to be bukkaked all over the internet. 4) For myself personally my motivation to do speedruns comes from recognition of having done something (mainly from fellow speedrunners but also from random fans of a particular game); none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback and hence no point of having created the video in the first place.

1) it's not a slap to the face. By uploading a run to SDA, you are making it available to the entire world... and then you dislike it when the world does something with it?
2) I wouldn't base my job satisfaction on people who don't know how to read. Seriously, they like your run, even though they're some combination of stupid and lazy. Isn't that enough?
3) Duplication of content, to make it easier to find. Not everyone knows SDA exists, but with youtube, they can still find your runs. I've done stuff like this as a public service.
4) "none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback". I'm calling shenanigans on this one, sorry. Are these comments not directed at you despite me specifying a "Mr. Uploader Dude" earlier on in my post?

tl;dr: don't take it personally when lazy people are, well, lazy

Are you actually trying to make counterpoints to an opinion? I was stating my own personal feelings; it's a mute point to try and debate that. If you have no problem with it then that's fine, I respect your opinion. I, however, do have a problem with it.

[quote="VorpalEdge"]
I really don't get why runs on youtube are in themselves a problem.  They are [i]publicly available on this site for free[/i].  I don't understand why someone who submits to SDA to begin with would care about even wider dissemination.  What is the difference between someone downloading it from youtube and someone getting it from here?  Why would you submit your run to this site (and not, say, Twin Galaxies) if you didn't want it popping up all over the place?

Many of you are trying to exert a level of control over your runs that is not only impossible to exercise but, in the long run, harmful to the total number of viewers your run will have.  There's nothing wrong with wanting proper attribution, of course.  I agree that that should be a requirement.  But other than that?  As far as I'm concerned, youtube members can go crazy.

Also, in reply to Mr. Awesome Uploader Dude:
[quote]I don't like it when people take my runs, even when they give credit, because 1) first and foremost it's a slap to the face to not even ask the person for permission (you took a run from SDA and the runners contact info is in the same fucking link....are e-mails that hard to send) 2) though credit is given in the description I can't even recall how many times I've seen a speedrun put on youtube with comments being directed towards the uploader on how great a video was - a lot of people don't read comments.  3) I don't understand why anyone would upload something that doesn't belong to them...period.  If a video is already online on another site it doesn't need to be bukkaked all over the internet.  4) For myself personally my motivation to do speedruns comes from recognition of having done something (mainly from fellow speedrunners but also from random fans of a particular game); none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback and hence no point of having created the video in the first place.[/quote]

1) it's not a slap to the face.  By uploading a run to SDA, you are making it available to the entire world... and then you dislike it when the world does something with it?
2) I wouldn't base my job satisfaction on people who don't know how to read.  Seriously, they like your run, even though they're some combination of stupid and lazy.  Isn't that enough?
3) Duplication of content, to make it easier to find.  Not everyone knows SDA exists, but with youtube, they can still find your runs.  I've done [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSlA-wvbVzU]stuff like this[/url] as a public service.
4) "none of the comments in a youtube video that someone else uploads are directed at the runner so there is no feedback".  I'm calling shenanigans on this one, sorry.  Are these comments not directed at you despite me specifying a "Mr. Uploader Dude" earlier on in my post?

tl;dr: don't take it personally when lazy people are, well, lazy
[/quote]

Are you actually trying to make counterpoints to an opinion?  I was stating my own personal feelings; it's a mute point to try and debate that.  If you have no problem with it then that's fine, I respect your opinion.  I, however, do have a problem with it.

ExplodingCabbage

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ExplodingCabbage: 2009-05-13 07:41:31 am

2009-05-13 07:35:38 am

Ekudeht, and Manocheese, I want to return to vgmr's point about asking the game devs whether you could upload footage of their game. It may seem like pointless trolling on his part, but there's a very significant point there and one that I was going to get to. People - both on the internet and in real life - infringe on people's rights ALL THE TIME when they assume the other person won't mind (or that they are doing what the other person would want).

If I see some drunk bloke leave his jacket in the pub and walk out with his friends, I may pick up his jacket and run after him thinking he's probably forgotten it. Do I have the right to take his property from where he's chosen to leave it in a public place? No, but I assume he won't object. And if when I catch up with him, it turns out that they'd all just popped out for a smoke and left the jacket there to show their other friends where they're sitting when they arrive, I will expect him to explain this to me apologetically and ask me politely to put the jacket back where it was - not to become angry and treat me as if I'd just stolen the jacket.

The same general principle applies with speedruns. Like VorpalEdge says, most runners whose runs aren't already on youtube would be happy to have them posted there, or at least indifferent to it, so working from the assumption that what he's doing is okay isn't that unreasonable on UltimateSpeedRuns's part. I do think, given how easy it is to just PM a runner on SDA, he really should've been asking every runner for permission from the start, and I hope he's genuine in his pledge to do so from now on, but I think this was a mistake due to ignorance of the fact that runners might mind, rather than out of disregard for them.

And in the case that the runner can't be contacted, I think it's okay for USR to go ahead and upload the run, since most runners would be okay with this. I mean, okay, so you can't actually get permission to be sure, but then, when I was at school we studied the works of Shakespeare and I'm pretty sure none of my teachers asked his permission. Was this an act of disrespect to Shakespeare?

NoiseCrash: Yeah, I wasn't sure about the timeframe for asking permission. If others want it changed to a couple of days before uploading the run, I'll change it.

scaryice: Oooh yeah, statids. He's been leaving them intact where they exist, as far as I can tell, but I'll remind him to keep doing so when/if I message him the rules we agree on.

Ekudeht, and Manocheese, I want to return to vgmr's point about asking the game devs whether you could upload footage of their game. It may seem like pointless trolling on his part, but there's a very significant point there and one that I was going to get to. People - both on the internet and in real life - infringe on people's rights ALL THE TIME when they assume the other person won't mind (or that they are doing what the other person would want).

If I see some drunk bloke leave his jacket in the pub and walk out with his friends, I may pick up his jacket and run after him thinking he's probably forgotten it. Do I have the right to take his property from where he's chosen to leave it in a public place? No, but I assume he won't object. And if when I catch up with him, it turns out that they'd all just popped out for a smoke and left the jacket there to show their other friends where they're sitting when they arrive, I will expect him to explain this to me apologetically and ask me politely to put the jacket back where it was - not to become angry and treat me as if I'd just stolen the jacket.

The same general principle applies with speedruns. Like VorpalEdge says, most runners whose runs aren't already on youtube would be [i]happy[/i] to have them posted there, or at least indifferent to it, so working from the assumption that what he's doing is okay isn't that unreasonable on UltimateSpeedRuns's part. I do think, given how easy it is to just PM a runner on SDA, he really should've been asking every runner for permission from the start, and I hope he's genuine in his pledge to do so from now on, but I think this was a mistake due to ignorance of the fact that runners might mind, rather than out of disregard for them.

And in the case that the runner can't be contacted, I think it's okay for USR to go ahead and upload the run, since [i]most[/i] runners would be okay with this. I mean, okay, so you can't actually get permission to be sure, but then, when I was at school we studied the works of Shakespeare and I'm pretty sure none of my teachers asked his permission. Was this an act of disrespect to Shakespeare?

NoiseCrash: Yeah, I wasn't sure about the timeframe for asking permission. If others want it changed to a couple of days before uploading the run, I'll change it.

scaryice: Oooh yeah, statids. He's been leaving them intact where they exist, as far as I can tell, but I'll remind him to keep doing so when/if I message him the rules we agree on.

Ekudeht

2009-05-13 08:48:15 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Quote from ExplodingCabbage:

Ekudeht, and Manocheese, I want to return to vgmr's point about asking the game devs whether you could upload footage of their game. It may seem like pointless trolling on his part, but there's a very significant point there and one that I was going to get to. People - both on the internet and in real life - infringe on people's rights ALL THE TIME when they assume the other person won't mind (or that they are doing what the other person would want).

You are correct; that is an assumption we all make. Of course the game companies could, at any time, exercise their right to have videos of their creations stopped; instead they choose to embrace them for the publicity, a choice they have every right to make. Many companies incorporate speedrunning in to their games now via achievements and leaderboards (Duke nukem even auto posts all the leaderboard videos for their XBLA version).

The speedrunners are creators in their own right who, if they chose they don't want their videos shown elsewhere then their wishes should be respected. If they don't care then it's alright.

[quote="ExplodingCabbage"]
Ekudeht, and Manocheese, I want to return to vgmr's point about asking the game devs whether you could upload footage of their game. It may seem like pointless trolling on his part, but there's a very significant point there and one that I was going to get to. People - both on the internet and in real life - infringe on people's rights ALL THE TIME when they assume the other person won't mind (or that they are doing what the other person would want).

[/quote]

You are correct; that is an assumption we all make.  Of course the game companies could, at any time, exercise their right to have videos of their creations stopped; instead they choose to embrace them for the publicity, a choice they have every right to make.  Many companies incorporate speedrunning in to their games now via achievements and leaderboards (Duke nukem even auto posts all the leaderboard videos for their XBLA version).

The speedrunners are creators in their own right who, if they chose they don't want their videos shown elsewhere then their wishes should be respected.  If they don't care then it's alright.

Manocheese

2009-06-09 02:13:19 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

I found another channel that has been up for a while:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigboss643

Like the guy who was recently discussed, he seems to credit the runners in his uploads (although I obviously didn't check all 434 of them). I won't start that argument up again, but I'll at least let people know that their speed runs may be on this channel.

ZenicReverie

2009-06-09 02:47:49 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

Quote from Manocheese:

I found another channel that has been up for a while:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigboss643

Like the guy who was recently discussed, he seems to credit the runners in his uploads (although I obviously didn't check all 434 of them). I won't start that argument up again, but I'll at least let people know that their speed runs may be on this channel.

Here's the current list of runs he has up:

ActRaiser - 1:10:06 by Nicholas 'Sir VG' Hoppe on 16.02.07
Banjo-Tooie - 4:54:13 by Peter 'Dragorn' Branam-Lefkove on 2005-12-19
Conker's Bad Fur Day - 1:37:59 by Karl 'Normand' Grenier on 2008-10-19
Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction - 1:53:44 by Alan 'Siyko' Burnett on 23.07.05
Donkey Kong 64 - 9:02 by Joe Wiewel on 04.08.06
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem - 2:27:36 by Andres 'Mad Andy' Montalbetti on 08.03.05 in 14 segments
007 GoldenEye - 47:24 by Wouter Jansen on 02.07.05
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards - 1:30:39 by Wayne 'soteos' Frank on 2005-07-30
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - 1:44:55 by Merlin 'Take-Chan' Medau on 21.05.07
Metal Gear Solid - 1:54:02 by Matt 'Solid Snake' Powell on 08.12.05
Mission Impossible - 1:10:38. On Mission: Impossible difficulty (hard): By David Gibbons
Paper Mario - 3:38 by Kyle 'batman9502' Duffy on 2008-08-12, done in 53 segments (with an ending segment)
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time - 2:06:03 by Paul 'IRbaboon' Wagener on 01.10.05
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal - 2:22:38 by Daniel 'CannibalK9' Burns on 09.12.05
Splinter Cell - 1:35:00 by Jeff 'Lord Revan' Richardson on 16.09.05
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow - 1:11:45 by Wesley 'Molotov' Corron on 11.12.04, done in 53 segments
Star Fox 64 - 1:24:52 by Brett 'Psonar' Ables on 2006-09-21
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 1:24:07 by David 'marshmallow' Gibbons on 2005-12-24 + Bloopers
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4: Turtles In Time - 0:22:31 by Mike Uyama on 14.03.06
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil - 3:55 by David 'marshmallow' Gibbons on 31.03.05, done in 8 segments

He's got comments on all the videos congratulating him on the run of course from people who don't read the description or even after reading it still think he made the run. He claims he's free of copyright infringement and plagurism[sic], which he's free from plagiarism because he did give credit, but even giving credit doesn't free him from copyright. He's still uploading to this day, and it looks like he's been doing it for a couple of years on and off.

[quote="Manocheese"]
I found another channel that has been up for a while:

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigboss643

Like the guy who was recently discussed, he seems to credit the runners in his uploads (although I obviously didn't check all 434 of them). I won't start that argument up again, but I'll at least let people know that their speed runs may be on this channel.
[/quote]

Here's the current list of runs he has up:

ActRaiser - 1:10:06 by Nicholas 'Sir VG' Hoppe on 16.02.07
Banjo-Tooie - 4:54:13 by Peter 'Dragorn' Branam-Lefkove on 2005-12-19
Conker's Bad Fur Day - 1:37:59 by Karl 'Normand' Grenier on 2008-10-19
Diablo 2: Lord of Destruction - 1:53:44 by Alan 'Siyko' Burnett on 23.07.05
Donkey Kong 64 - 9:02 by Joe Wiewel on 04.08.06
Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem - 2:27:36 by Andres 'Mad Andy' Montalbetti on 08.03.05 in 14 segments
007 GoldenEye - 47:24 by Wouter Jansen on 02.07.05
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards - 1:30:39 by Wayne 'soteos' Frank on 2005-07-30
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - 1:44:55 by Merlin 'Take-Chan' Medau on 21.05.07
Metal Gear Solid - 1:54:02 by Matt 'Solid Snake' Powell on 08.12.05
Mission Impossible - 1:10:38. On Mission: Impossible difficulty (hard): By David Gibbons
Paper Mario - 3:38 by Kyle 'batman9502' Duffy on 2008-08-12, done in 53 segments (with an ending segment)
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time - 2:06:03 by Paul 'IRbaboon' Wagener on 01.10.05
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal - 2:22:38 by Daniel 'CannibalK9' Burns on 09.12.05
Splinter Cell - 1:35:00 by Jeff 'Lord Revan' Richardson on 16.09.05
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow - 1:11:45 by Wesley 'Molotov' Corron on 11.12.04, done in 53 segments
Star Fox 64 - 1:24:52 by Brett 'Psonar' Ables on 2006-09-21
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 1:24:07 by David 'marshmallow' Gibbons on 2005-12-24 + Bloopers
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4: Turtles In Time - 0:22:31 by Mike Uyama on 14.03.06
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil - 3:55 by David 'marshmallow' Gibbons on 31.03.05, done in 8 segments

He's got comments on all the videos congratulating him on the run of course from people who don't read the description or even after reading it still think he made the run.  He claims he's free of copyright infringement and plagurism[sic], which he's free from plagiarism because he did give credit, but even giving credit doesn't free him from copyright.  He's still uploading to this day, and it looks like he's been doing it for a couple of years on and off.

Sir VG

2009-06-09 02:51:01 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

I'm aware that my old run is up there, but he didn't remove the statids, he stated that he did NOT do the run and gave me credit for it, as he should. And he stated it came from SDA. I'd rather have all of my videos on my account, but I've let it stay up.

Greenalink

2009-06-09 03:04:14 pm

DS Dictator

Quote:

He's got comments on all the videos congratulating him on the run of course from people who don't read the description or even after reading it still think he made the run.

That's the only thing that grinds my gears, it's when people say to the uploader s/he is awesome but all they did was 'stealing' it from the other website.

I don't react too badly if a run got stolen (as it saves me from downloading it from SDA/internet Archive and some people post dead link topics in the tech support thread).

Bigboss643 isn't disrespectful (as s/he mentions about where it was downloaded from and who made it)
But this one is worse:
http://www.youtube.com/user/CaR1994718

This Youtuber removes the STAT IDS and doesn't mention the runner's name. It mainly includes most NES runs especially SMB 100% run by AndrewG...

From Youtube Copyright Page:

Quote:

I gave credit in the description. Isn't that enough?
No. Giving credit does not give you authorization to upload the content.

You can use that as an advantage if you seriously want your SDA run to be only in your Youtube Channel and no one elses.

[quote]He's got comments on all the videos congratulating him on the run of course from people who don't read the description or even after reading it still think he made the run.[/quote]

That's the only thing that grinds my gears, it's when people say to the uploader s/he is awesome but all they did was 'stealing' it from the other website.

I don't react too badly if a run got stolen (as it saves me from downloading it from SDA/internet Archive and some people post dead link topics in the tech support thread).

Bigboss643 isn't disrespectful (as s/he mentions about where it was downloaded from and who made it)
But this one is worse:
http://www.youtube.com/user/CaR1994718

This Youtuber removes the STAT IDS and doesn't mention the runner's name. It mainly includes most NES runs especially SMB 100% run by AndrewG...

From Youtube Copyright Page:

[quote]I gave credit in the description. Isn't that enough? 
No. Giving credit does not give you authorization to upload the content.[/quote]

You can use that as an advantage if you seriously want your SDA run to be only in your Youtube Channel and no one elses.

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2009-06-09 03:16:12 pm

2009-06-09 03:05:33 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Another:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJamezMan

He has runs of the following games (with no credit on anything I checked):

Arkanoid
Batman
Castlevania
Contra
Cybernoid
Doom
Half Life
Indiana Jones Last Crusade
Little Nemo
Marble Madness
Metroid
Ocarina of Time (TSA's old run)
Sonic 2
SSBM (a BtT run)
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Pitfall
Trojan
Turok 2
Zelda 1

The "good" thing about accounts like these is that, IIRC, if a couple videos get removed, YouTube gets tired of taking them down individually and just deletes all the videos on the account. So, only a few runners whose runs were posted would need to complain to get all of the stolen runs removed.

andrewg

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andrewg: 2009-06-09 03:47:43 pm

2009-06-09 03:20:25 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

Yeah, it would be fine if they gave me credit, but they didn't...

http://www.youtube.com/user/CaR1994718

^ This one specifically I'd like to see be removed as it's like 5+ of my runs on his account.

mikwuyma

2009-06-09 07:14:03 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

I don't mind that BigBoss643 uploaded my run on youtube, he gave proper credit and linked to the site. Those other two guys though. Angry

bimanc

2009-06-10 01:36:10 am

Lay waste to everything...but I still love SDA!

Quote from andrewg:

Yeah, it would be fine if they gave me credit, but they didn't...

http://www.youtube.com/user/CaR1994718

^ This one specifically I'd like to see be removed as it's like 5+ of my runs on his account.

It seems this bastard removed all of the videos, thanks to God.

No1 Inparticular

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No1 Inparticular: 2009-06-25 08:33:35 pm

2009-06-25 08:13:56 pm

http://www.youtube.com/user/SharpClaw0

This person has stolen some videos from the Super Smash Bros. Melee page, and claimed them as his own. Angry

A couple examples

Bowser 100MM

Mario BtT

C.Falcon BtT

andrewg

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andrewg: 2009-06-25 10:55:00 pm

2009-06-25 10:46:44 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

Quote from No1 Inparticular:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SharpClaw0

This person has stolen some videos from the Super Smash Bros. Melee page, and claimed them as his own. Angry

A couple examples

Bowser 100MM

Mario BtT

C.Falcon BtT

That's sad. all of those times are way outdated. lol... but I still can't beat them anyhow. I want to beat the zelda/sheik record. My fingers won't work though.

Moostafar

2009-06-25 11:47:39 pm

Hi there.

Quote from No1 Inparticular:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SharpClaw0

This person has stolen some videos from the Super Smash Bros. Melee page, and claimed them as his own. Angry

A couple examples

Bowser 100MM

Mario BtT

C.Falcon BtT

Guy put in his comment box "I won't be using this account, check out YoshiFanForever", so I did. There's more Melee stuff on there, including Petri's Adventure Run, even the comments were just copy and pasted.

That's the only one I can think of from SDA, I'm not very familiar with Melee running. Most of his videos look stolen, though.

Regarding SharpClaw0, I can't view his videos from his profile for some reason, but doing a search using his name reveals he has a bunch of videos (123), some of which include SDA runs.

He has a shitload of break the target runs, I think he has pyh's Majora's Mask run (pretty sure since the youtube video shows the initial p.y.h as Link's name and the first segment he copy/pasted the runner's comment, thanking Radix and etc, etc), Tim's RE4 run (stadID intact) but he claims in the first video segment's comment that he's "starting" the speedrun and I think he has a portion of Starfox's Expert run, although he slapped some horrible music on it, a portion of GoldenEye's speedrun with horrible music again (not sure)

Links to each run's first segment below:

Majora's Mask part 1 ->
Part 2 ->

RE4 p.1 -> (I'm starting a new speed run and this time it's on Resident Evil 4. )

Starfox 64 Expert Speedrun -> (Not sure if this is from SDA, I cannot watch the original videos to compare. If anybody can, though, I'd appreciate)

GoldenEye -> (not sure, need verification from someone, vaguely remembers seeing that in Wouter's SS)

You can find the rest by searching for his name. Some of the video comments a gold.

Someone needs to go and tear him a new asshole.

[quote="No1 Inparticular"]
http://www.youtube.com/user/SharpClaw0

This person has stolen some videos from the Super Smash Bros. Melee page, and claimed them as his own.  >:(

A couple examples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o24bjKrtfIk Bowser 100MM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-GLcuj3_T4&feature=related Mario BtT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP10LGf6MJQ&feature=related C.Falcon BtT
[/quote]

Guy put in his comment box "I won't be using this account, check out YoshiFanForever", so I did. There's more Melee stuff on there, including Petri's Adventure Run, even the comments were just copy and pasted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehS9Kn9hrg&feature=channel_page

That's the only one I can think of from SDA, I'm not very familiar with Melee running. Most of his videos look stolen, though.

Regarding SharpClaw0, I can't view his videos from his profile for some reason, but doing a search using his name reveals he has a bunch of videos (123), some of which include SDA runs.

He has a shitload of break the target runs, I think he has pyh's Majora's Mask run (pretty sure since the youtube video shows the initial p.y.h as Link's name and the first segment he copy/pasted the runner's comment, thanking Radix and etc, etc), Tim's RE4 run (stadID intact) but he claims in the first video segment's comment that he's "starting" the speedrun and I think he has a portion of Starfox's Expert run, although he slapped some horrible music on it, a portion of GoldenEye's speedrun with horrible music again (not sure)

Links to each run's first segment below:

Majora's Mask part 1 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iuI00evOCc
Part 2 ->

RE4 p.1 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLjfYryaQ2c (I'm starting a new speed run and this time it's on Resident Evil 4. )

Starfox 64 Expert Speedrun -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OylNAQO1SQ4 (Not sure if this is from SDA, I cannot watch the original videos to compare. If anybody can, though, I'd appreciate)

GoldenEye -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlFgdXbT8w (not sure, need verification from someone, vaguely remembers seeing that in Wouter's SS)

You can find the rest by searching for his name. Some of the video comments a gold.

Someone needs to go and tear him a new asshole.

cortez

2009-06-26 12:44:27 am

Stalker!

dont forget about this 2 guys

http://www.youtube.com/user/thekingproject87

http://www.youtube.com/user/UltimateSpeedRuns

Sir VG

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Sir VG: 2009-06-26 03:46:01 am

2009-06-26 01:08:12 am

Fucking Weeaboo

Quote from cortez:

dont forget about this 2 guys

http://www.youtube.com/user/thekingproject87

http://www.youtube.com/user/UltimateSpeedRuns

Thanks for reporting the first one. At least he didn't remove the StatID, but he doesn't have my permission, so he has to take it down. I've reported it and also messaged him.

Edit: And since he's being a dick, I've reported him to YouTube.

Marty81

2009-06-26 12:29:25 pm

Quote from ExplodingCabbage:

I do think, given how easy it is to just PM a runner on SDA, he really should've been asking every runner for permission from the start...

Wait, what? No it's not. I just went to the main page (er, the gamelist page, which I consider the main page) and looked at 10 runs. There was a link for the runner's email address in *one* of them. The rest just had the runner's name. If I wanted to PM one of the other 9 runners, from the run's page I'd have to:

-Know about the existence of the forums
-Find the link to the forums, which is 2 links away from the runner's page if I get lucky and click on the right link the first time
-Make an account on the forums,
-Search for the runner by name on the forums, knowing that I should be searching by nickname,
-Hope that the search actually returns something meaningful,
-Hope that the runner is the same person that has that nickname on the forums, and
-Then PM him.

That's hardly easy or straightforward, especially if you're not the kind of person who "forums" often. If there were a link to PM the runner on the run's page, I'd agree with you, but there's not.

To take a completely random example, how do you propose that I get in contact with Alice's runner?
http://speeddemosarchive.com/AmericanMcGeesAlice.html

[quote="ExplodingCabbage"]I do think, given how easy it is to just PM a runner on SDA, he really should've been asking every runner for permission from the start...[/quote]

Wait, what? No it's not. I just went to the main page (er, the gamelist page, which I consider the main page) and looked at 10 runs. There was a link for the runner's email address in *one* of them. The rest just had the runner's name. If I wanted to PM one of the other 9 runners, from the run's page I'd have to:

-Know about the existence of the forums
-Find the link to the forums, which is 2 links away from the runner's page if I get lucky and click on the right link the first time
-Make an account on the forums,
-Search for the runner by name on the forums, knowing that I should be searching by nickname,
-Hope that the search actually returns something meaningful, 
-Hope that the runner is the same person that has that nickname on the forums, and
-Then PM him.

That's hardly easy or straightforward, especially if you're not the kind of person who "forums" often. If there were a link to PM the runner on the run's page, I'd agree with you, but there's not.

To take a completely random example, how do you propose that I get in contact with Alice's runner?
http://speeddemosarchive.com/AmericanMcGeesAlice.html

ExplodingCabbage

2009-06-26 12:41:23 pm

Point taken, Marty.

Marty81

2009-06-26 12:52:16 pm

Sorry, I got kind of worked up about that for no good reason.

bimanc

2009-06-26 01:28:48 pm

Lay waste to everything...but I still love SDA!

Quote from cortez:

dont forget about this guy

http://www.youtube.com/user/thekingproject87

My run has been stolen! I kinda feel proud now. But reported him, anyway, so thanks for the notification.

Sir VG

2009-06-26 02:37:36 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

Quote from Marty81:

Quote from ExplodingCabbage:

I do think, given how easy it is to just PM a runner on SDA, he really should've been asking every runner for permission from the start...

Wait, what? No it's not. I just went to the main page (er, the gamelist page, which I consider the main page) and looked at 10 runs. There was a link for the runner's email address in *one* of them. The rest just had the runner's name. If I wanted to PM one of the other 9 runners, from the run's page I'd have to:

-Know about the existence of the forums
-Find the link to the forums, which is 2 links away from the runner's page if I get lucky and click on the right link the first time
-Make an account on the forums,
-Search for the runner by name on the forums, knowing that I should be searching by nickname,
-Hope that the search actually returns something meaningful,
-Hope that the runner is the same person that has that nickname on the forums, and
-Then PM him.

That's hardly easy or straightforward, especially if you're not the kind of person who "forums" often. If there were a link to PM the runner on the run's page, I'd agree with you, but there's not.

To take a completely random example, how do you propose that I get in contact with Alice's runner?
http://speeddemosarchive.com/AmericanMcGeesAlice.html

For the older runs, yes it might be hard since a lot of the runners aren't around anymore. But if nothing else, just contact folks like Mike and Enhasa and the other staff members and they're sure to help you get in touch with the runners if they're still around.

I may say "hey don't use my runs without my permission", but I fricken give TWO links to contact me - my YouTube channel and my personal website. Yeah, you can reach me somehow.

[quote="Marty81"]
[quote="ExplodingCabbage"]I do think, given how easy it is to just PM a runner on SDA, he really should've been asking every runner for permission from the start...[/quote]

Wait, what? No it's not. I just went to the main page (er, the gamelist page, which I consider the main page) and looked at 10 runs. There was a link for the runner's email address in *one* of them. The rest just had the runner's name. If I wanted to PM one of the other 9 runners, from the run's page I'd have to:

-Know about the existence of the forums
-Find the link to the forums, which is 2 links away from the runner's page if I get lucky and click on the right link the first time
-Make an account on the forums,
-Search for the runner by name on the forums, knowing that I should be searching by nickname,
-Hope that the search actually returns something meaningful, 
-Hope that the runner is the same person that has that nickname on the forums, and
-Then PM him.

That's hardly easy or straightforward, especially if you're not the kind of person who "forums" often. If there were a link to PM the runner on the run's page, I'd agree with you, but there's not.

To take a completely random example, how do you propose that I get in contact with Alice's runner?
http://speeddemosarchive.com/AmericanMcGeesAlice.html
[/quote]

For the older runs, yes it might be hard since a lot of the runners aren't around anymore.  But if nothing else, just contact folks like Mike and Enhasa and the other staff members and they're sure to help you get in touch with the runners if they're still around.

I may say "hey don't use my runs without my permission", but I fricken give TWO links to contact me - my YouTube channel and my personal website.  Yeah, you can reach me somehow.

Marty81

2009-06-26 06:21:47 pm

You mean like this run of yours, that has no contact links?

http://speeddemosarchive.com/DawnOfMana.html

And the fact that searching the members here for "Sir VG" and "Nicholas Hoppe" return nothing at all?

I know to contact Mike or another staff member if I really need to find someone, but random guy from the internet wouldn't know that. My point is just that the main pages on SDA hardly make it easy for someone to find the contact info for the runners.