StarCraft 2 (WoL/HotS/LotV)

2013-07-26 05:36:39 pm

I am currently working on my run of WoL

2013-07-27 04:08:21 am

I have been working on HOTS single segment and I got my general game route complete (mission path).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag6xZkwd7NiddFRMamtFNVgzQVlTM0l6VGl2dDBxMVE&usp=sharing
I'm not looking for the best route in every level.
One inportend thing i found is that in the last level (The Reckoning) you need 50 Kerrigan levels to be able to do it in 5 min.
So i will be taking some detours to pick up some power levels (in total 11 extra).

wfp

2013-07-28 05:34:16 am

raelcun had some pretty detailed notes on levelling strats a couple pages back that should put you at level 58 (his notes have a math error, neglecting the bonus levels on conviction) when you beat the game without sacrificing any time to get extra levels. i disagree with his opinion that skygeirr should be done before space (my route would be the same as yours) as i think ability efficiency is more useful on infested and hand of darkness than having infestors for conviction but there's some testing that needs to be done. i also don't think the baneling evolution is worth it and the zergling one also may not be but again some testing needs to be done.

NitroxKnight

2013-07-28 10:42:02 am

I was testing conviction.
whit infester you could rush and that would take time time to 7:30
and whitout the time was very hard and was about 10:30
3 min difference out my testing. If you could get a 3 min adventige on infested and hand of darkness then it is you could do convition first.

wfp

2013-07-28 07:01:32 pm

wow, wasn't expecting that big a difference, but i'll take your word for it. i fear my skill isn't good enough to test effectively myself. you look into testing the zergling/baneling evolutions? i look forward to your run.

NitroxKnight

2013-07-29 03:27:59 am

The evolution missions are not needed. The only real difference i got was Harvest of Screams (20 sec slower, zergling jump needed) and Shoot the Messenger (1:15 slower, splitter bealing needed.)
As you can see that is not a big difference. So i have decided to not do the evolution missions.

SgtCoDFish

2013-07-30 03:29:20 pm

Hi guys

First of all, thanks to all of you for being such inspirations; especially Raelcun at AGDQ which is pretty much what got me into speedrunning in the first place.

Second, I've been working on HotS campaign. I'm not massively creative so I've been working on execution of the first missions so far based on the videos already available, and I've managed to do Lab Rat in 06:38 in-game. I think it's as close as I can get to optimal.

Stuff I did:

1) Position starting drone in the right spot, saves about half a second because he doesn't have to move to make the hatch.
2) Pair the drones on close mineral fields as in multiplayer. A good benchmark is that when your first overlord pops you should have exactly 150 mins, to create 3 drones immediately.
3) Go up to 10 drones, build pool and stay on 9 drones for the rest of the level. Hotkey the 9 for easy use later
4) 9 Overlord after pool, build zerglings constantly until 18/18 (you cap around when your zerglings start attacking the first bots)
5) No more lings; send drones down as you clean up the zergling pen, and use drones to tank to get through to gas.
6) Split lings quickly on each gas, shift click so they start running to the door when each gas dies.
7) Run through, pull back first 2 sentry bots before eradicator, kill. Kill second pair and then pull eradicator back.
8) Micro to keep as many lings as possible attacking the eradicator. I had a few attempts that left it with like 15 hp.

Apologies for the poor quality, my laptop isn't that great.

I'm hoping to be able to do a decent single segment run at some point.

Hi guys

First of all, thanks to all of you for being such inspirations; especially Raelcun at AGDQ which is pretty much what got me into speedrunning in the first place.

Second, I've been working on HotS campaign. I'm not massively creative so I've been working on execution of the first missions so far based on the videos already available, and I've managed to do Lab Rat in 06:38 in-game. I think it's as close as I can get to optimal.

Stuff I did:

1) Position starting drone in the right spot, saves about half a second because he doesn't have to move to make the hatch.
2) Pair the drones on close mineral fields as in multiplayer. A good benchmark is that when your first overlord pops you should have exactly 150 mins, to create 3 drones immediately.
3) Go up to 10 drones, build pool and stay on 9 drones for the rest of the level. Hotkey the 9 for easy use later
4) 9 Overlord after pool, build zerglings constantly until 18/18 (you cap around when your zerglings start attacking the first bots)
5) No more lings; send drones down as you clean up the zergling pen, and use drones to tank to get through to gas.
6) Split lings quickly on each gas, shift click so they start running to the door when each gas dies.
7) Run through, pull back first 2 sentry bots before eradicator, kill. Kill second pair and then pull eradicator back.
8) Micro to keep as many lings as possible attacking the eradicator. I had a few attempts that left it with like 15 hp.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7o5deHjGmA[/url]

Apologies for the poor quality, my laptop isn't that great.

I'm hoping to be able to do a decent single segment run at some point.

NitroxKnight

2013-07-30 04:15:02 pm

Hi SgtCoDFish,
That's a really good run an route for that mission. Whit that time it is a good goal of getting 7:00 in SS (single segment).

If you are also working on a SS run you can use my saves I made per mission. (are not up to date to my new route but almost perfect)
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw6xZkwd7NidR0dGd0F3V1RUbDA&usp=sharing
note: every number is a mission on my route. You can find my notes whit numbers https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag6xZkwd7NiddFRMamtFNVgzQVlTM0l6VGl2dDBxMVE&usp=sharing here.

Dime

2013-07-30 04:21:24 pm

Strong time there sGt, I had a 6:44 before deciding to stream my lab rat attempts but that still beats it by 6 seconds so you win the optimizing war! I wish you good luck on the single segment.

It's something i've wanted to do for a while but i've got other speedrunning projects on the go, When you figure out your route for Char I HIGHLY advise posting it because I think thats the real road block for SS runs atm. It's tough to get motivated on an SS run when the char missions don't feel good haha.

NitroxKnight

Edit history:

NitroxKnight: 2013-07-30 04:29:27 pm

NitroxKnight: 2013-07-30 04:29:04 pm

2013-07-30 04:24:50 pm

I got a route for char I will be streaming/posting tomorrow.
I't reasonably fast.
my notes say 8 min on Domination
11 min on Fire in the Sky
12 min on old Soldiers

SgtCoDFish

2013-07-30 04:54:24 pm

Thanks guys

I'll try to tune in Nitrox... I've only been doing the first 3 missions so far, so seeing some char stuff will be fun

NitroxKnight

Edit history:

NitroxKnight: 2013-07-31 09:40:37 am

NitroxKnight: 2013-07-31 09:39:37 am

NitroxKnight: 2013-07-31 05:38:47 am

2013-07-31 05:37:41 am

will be streaming as much as poseble on http://www.twitch.tv/nitroxknight

NitroxKnight

Edit history:

NitroxKnight: 2013-07-31 07:38:27 am

2013-07-31 07:31:03 am

I found a really strange glitch, i was in the middle of domination (char 1) and I click on "return to Leviathan" and it came back to the leviathan whit that i completed domination. Will research more and update.
I think i found it if you complete the mission and then say "try again" it will save the file as that I completed the mission.
Still i found a use for it, when you do it a second time after saying "try again" you can pickup Power levels and they will be saved (whitout needing to complete the mission twice.

NitroxKnight

2013-08-02 03:57:12 pm

I got my route completed for domination and fire in the sky
domination:
time of 8:31 can be better to about 7:30
fire in the sky:
time of 12:01 cam be 10:15

Freezard

2013-08-03 06:39:18 am

Apparently someone submitted a HotS SS run (it just says WoL in the verification thread). I thought you guys weren't done with the planning/routing? Anyway I haven't run HotS enough so I'm not going to verify it, just letting you know.

Gorash

2013-08-04 10:56:43 am

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Could you write a bit about your decisions for the Fire in the Sky route? It's pretty different from mine.

NitroxKnight

2013-08-04 01:54:17 pm

My level goal: On fire is the sky is it inportent that you get a strong economie of about 21 drones on minerals and 3 on gas. Whit that you constantly make queens and when you can zerglings. zerglings can die and the queens NEEDS to stay alive.
A few time notes: @3:05 there is a drop Kill it, after that begin full out attak
@4:30 plase one spine at base for the 2 hellions.

That was the inportent stuff, as a side note to be fast you have to make to mange the energie of kerrian very well.

Dime

2013-08-04 02:59:28 pm

Is it HOTS SS? or is it WoL campaign played on the HOTS expansion since you can choose either.

JonBlom

2013-08-04 04:31:26 pm

Perhaps what Gorash was missing is that I think Nitrox route was in planning an SS run where you do Char before Kaldir. Which would of course differ significantly from an IL run.

Gorash

2013-08-04 11:45:30 pm

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That was hard to miss. But I've did so many runs on that level, that 10 minutes seems a little bit on the safe side to me even without zergling reconstitution and baneling summon. That's why I asked for the specifics.

NitroxKnight

2013-08-05 06:55:45 am

To clear up;
My route for (now can chance) the SS is; whit an estimate of the time
1 Lab Rat 7:00
2 Back in the Saddle 11:20
3 Rendezvous 15:00
4 Domination 7:30
5 Fire in the Sky 11:30
6 Old Soldiers 13:00
7 Walking the Ancient 10:00
8 The Crucible 25:51
9 Supreme 10:00
10 Harvest of Screams 4:00
11 Shoot the Messenger 3:00
12 Enemy Within 12:00
13 Infested 4:00
14 Hand of Darkness 5:00
15 Phantoms of the Void 15:00
16 With Friends Like These 8:30
17 Conviction 8:00
18 Planetfall 21:10
19 Death From Above 5:00
20 The Reckoning 6:00
Total game time: 3:22:51
Total real time: 2:30:13 (whiteout loading screen or menu-ing.)

because of that the jump on kerrigan on Shoot the messenger saves about 20 min.

That's a lot of time.
To get the jump I need to do char and (the jungle planet forget it's name).
that's in portent in the early in the Run.
The second choice is Infested or Conviction. The thing is that the extra levels 10 levels on Conviction will help in the missions after infested, But in Conviction you get Infesters if you have done infested. That saves about 3:30 min.
So that is first infested then Conviction.
After my first complete route check i found out that on the last mission The Reckoning to do the major skip

you need to get 50 levels on kerrigan. there is a mutalisk strat but that is a difference of 7 min. And in Death From Above level 50 saves also 1:30 min.

To sum up: first char then the jungle world to do the skip in Shoot the messenger.
Second to do conviction fast I need Infester the i get on Infested. So infested then Conviction.
As last I need to pick up 11 extra kerrigan level (39 do you get doing missions)
In my notes I have my plan on picking up kerriganpower https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag6xZkwd7NiddFRMamtFNVgzQVlTM0l6VGl2dDBxMVE&usp=sharing
The evolution mission take to long and are not needed to compete the mission fast. Already 3:30 on the zergling mission.

I could use some help on some missions so here are my SS saves https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw6xZkwd7NidR0dGd0F3V1RUbDA&usp=sharing
Phantoms of the Void (15) is a pain in the ass could use some help.
If I'm routing i will be streaming on http://www.twitch.tv/nitroxknight, feel free to follow
I have skype, if you want to talk to me just send me a message on SDA and i will give my skype name.

To clear up;
My route for (now can chance) the SS is; whit an estimate of the time
1	Lab Rat				7:00
2	Back in the Saddle		11:20
3	Rendezvous			15:00
4	Domination			7:30
5	Fire in the Sky			11:30
6	Old Soldiers			13:00
7	Walking the Ancient		10:00
8	The Crucible			25:51
9	Supreme				10:00
10	Harvest of Screams		4:00
11	Shoot the Messenger 3:00
12	Enemy Within			12:00
13	Infested				4:00
14	Hand of Darkness		5:00
15	Phantoms of the Void	15:00
16	With Friends Like These	8:30
17	Conviction			8:00
18	Planetfall				21:10
19	Death From Above		5:00
20	The Reckoning			6:00
Total game time: 3:22:51
Total real time: 2:30:13 (whiteout loading screen or menu-ing.)

because of that the jump on kerrigan on Shoot the messenger saves about 20 min. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoHKI1H54gw
 That's a lot of time.
To get the jump I need to do char and (the jungle planet forget it's name). 
that's in portent in the early in the Run.
The second choice is Infested or Conviction. The thing is that the extra levels 10 levels on Conviction will help in the missions after infested, But in Conviction you get Infesters if you have done infested. That saves about 3:30 min.
So that is first infested then Conviction.
After my first complete route check i found out that on the last mission The Reckoning to do the major skip 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMd2H0yPXJg 
you need to get 50 levels on kerrigan. there is a mutalisk strat but that is a difference of 7 min. And in Death From Above level 50 saves also 1:30 min.

To sum up: first char then the jungle world to do the skip in Shoot the messenger.
Second to do conviction fast I need Infester the i get on Infested. So infested then Conviction.
As last I need to pick up 11 extra kerrigan level (39 do you get doing missions)
In my notes I have my plan on picking up kerriganpower https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag6xZkwd7NiddFRMamtFNVgzQVlTM0l6VGl2dDBxMVE&usp=sharing
The evolution mission take to long and are not needed to compete the mission fast. Already 3:30 on the zergling mission.

I could use some help on some missions so here are my SS saves https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bw6xZkwd7NidR0dGd0F3V1RUbDA&usp=sharing
Phantoms of the Void (15) is a pain in the ass could use some help.
If I'm routing i will be streaming on http://www.twitch.tv/nitroxknight, feel free to follow
I have skype, if you want to talk to me just send me a message on SDA and i will give my skype name.

wfp

2013-08-06 12:31:07 am

psyched a ninja kerrigan route was found for the reckoning. considering the route, it doesn't seem unreasonable you could get a couple mutas to fly in and maybe save a blast or two.

NitroxKnight

2013-08-06 05:21:51 am

Jolin012 had tested mutas before 5 min:

wfp

2013-08-07 11:50:51 pm

yeah, i knew that but your new route takes out two of the turrets he dies to which could significantly improve their viability.

JangBang

2013-08-08 01:20:17 pm

The results are in

In patch 2.0.10 vision from vikings in 'The Reckoning' was removed, so now that's going to have to be rerouted. My best time with SS stats was around 22 minutes, in which I just completely shut down the shield and did as before.