Star Fox 64 Expert All Medals FINISHED

2006-09-29 12:27:57 am

Long live SF64!

Thanks for the vote of confidence Laughing_Gas! Hopefully that's the general opinion of those willing to watch the run, and especially those of you who have followed this crazy thread!

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Well I was going to wait until I hear more from Radix, but I'll go ahead and post what I know about something that's come up.

As it turns out a Single Segment run may not contain resets. My 15-medal run must contain 2 resets in order to collect all 15 medals in a single playthrough. The problem is that SDA cannot prove that it was a single playthrough. If I recall the FAQ says that any time a save process or reset takes place, the run becomes segmented.

That means that (after I get word from Radix) I'll send my 1:24:51 VHS tape to Nate and he'll have to chop the segments apart and spend 3 times as long preparing the run because it's now technically 3 segments. I'm a bit frustrated, but I kinda saw it coming at the same time. Basically I want the run to be single segment, but the game doesn't support such a run, so I'll just have to state in my comments that I did all 3 segments in one playthrough using resets and leave it at that.

Any thoughts on the matter from anyone? Is there any alternative but to just accept that it's in the rules? Radix has made exceptions before, but I kinda doubt it this time. Of course I always have the option of hosting a Single Segment version of it on the archive myself.

On the bright side the total time for the 3 segments would be 1:22:36 (some control loss time gets removed), and downloaders could have smaller downloads and start watching while the other parts are loading still, etc. That and a challenger actually running in 3 segments would still be hard pressed to beat my time perhaps....

What do you all think?

Thanks for the vote of confidence Laughing_Gas!  Hopefully that's the general opinion of those willing to watch the run, and especially those of you who have followed this crazy thread!

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Due to [b]pagebreak[/b] effect, I'm going to [b]repeat the point[/b] at hand...sorry!

[quote]Well I was going to wait until I hear more from Radix, but I'll go ahead and post what I know about something that's come up.

As it turns out [b]a Single Segment run may not contain resets[/b].  My 15-medal run must contain 2 resets in order to collect all 15 medals in a single playthrough.  The problem is that SDA cannot prove that it was a single playthrough.  If I recall the FAQ says that any time a save process or reset takes place, the run becomes segmented.

That means that (after I get word from Radix) I'll send my 1:24:51 VHS tape to Nate and he'll have to chop the segments apart and spend 3 times as long preparing the run because it's now technically 3 segments.  I'm a bit frustrated, but I kinda saw it coming at the same time.  Basically I want the run to be single segment, but the game doesn't support such a run, so I'll just have to state in my comments that I did all 3 segments in one playthrough using resets and leave it at that.

Any thoughts on the matter from anyone?  Is there any alternative but to just accept that it's in the rules?  Radix has made exceptions before, but I kinda doubt it this time.  Of course I always have the option of hosting a Single Segment version of it on the archive myself.

On the bright side the total time for the 3 segments would be [b]1:22:36[/b] (some control loss time gets removed), and downloaders could have smaller downloads and start watching while the other parts are loading still, etc.  That and a challenger actually running in 3 segments would still be hard pressed to beat my time perhaps....

What do you all think?[/quote]

SMK

2006-09-29 03:13:27 am

Hmm, I can't believe I didn't think of that. It would actually be pretty ridiculous to have timed the start and stop perfectly when recording it. Oh well, I believe its legit Psonar, and at least you can hopefully live knowing you did the awesomeness fairly, even if SDA won't publish it as such.

Psonar

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Psonar: 2006-10-02 05:31:16 am

2006-10-02 05:30:21 am

Long live SF64!

Thanks for the confidance SMK. I think you're one of the few who watched the webcam version of the run I'm going to submit, which is cool.

Being able to post the webcam video online is cool, but it also helps a ton with timing the run for myself!

I figure folks will understand that it was single segment, and even if someone really thinks I did 3 segments, they'll still be darn impressed with it I hope!

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-10-02 06:30:11 am

2006-10-02 06:28:19 am

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I actually watched it, as well! I never posted comments, though, since you seemed thoroughly finished with the game. I loved it, btw. It's REALLY too bad we didn't plan on you just "retrying course" to death at the end of each route to waste all your lives and restart without powering off the system... as hokey as that might sound. That being said, everyone who reads this thread had better know you did this single segment, or there's going to be hell to pay. Grin

So, what has Radix said of the new and improved redline run, of late?

darkwasabi

2006-10-02 07:42:11 am

King of hearts

Technically, that 3 segment rule isn't quite right. As long as you see there are no stops in the VHS tape, then that's proof it is in fact a single segment.

But the rules do state that you cannot reset for it to be SS. At least you can ask nate to be the verifier to the tape's contiguousness. So it will be considered 3 segments, but people can trust that it was done as a single segment.

Psonar

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Psonar: 2006-10-02 04:16:12 pm

2006-10-02 04:14:20 pm

Long live SF64!

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I actually watched it, as well! I never posted comments, though, since you seemed thoroughly finished with the game. I loved it, btw. It's REALLY too bad we didn't plan on you just "retrying course" to death at the end of each route to waste all your lives and restart without powering off the system... as hokey as that might sound. That being said, everyone who reads this thread had better know you did this single segment, or there's going to be hell to pay. Grin

Doing a ton of deaths to create a Game Over and navigate back to the start menu that way is almost butchering the run more than a simple reset. The option to restart a level doesn't begin until like 5 seconds in, and the restart display takes another 3 seconds or so...so if I have 5-10 lives that would take somewhere around a minute of restarts that NO ONE would want to see...

That and a game over, if not completely disqualifying the run, is not the route I'd like to go... it just looks shoddy ... the real issue is that the game doesn't have a "Exit to Start Menu" option... and if it had that it would likely also have save files. That and the Start Screen makes no sense to "Fox McCloud" himself...it is outside the game's environment, and creates a segment that way.

The argument has already been made for Zelda and folks agreed that a start screen or initial menus aren't the game because they represent the frame around the picture or the "meta-game" or something

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So, what has Radix said of the new and improved redline run, of late?

I haven't heard from Radix since he told me Restarts and Single Segment don't mix... I replied saying something like, "OK, that means I have an any% run, 3 segment 100% run, and a redline run with times of [blah]. Do you approve of these categories? Can I send them all together to Nate now?"

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Technically, that 3 segment rule isn't quite right. As long as you see there are no stops in the VHS tape, then that's proof it is in fact a single segment.

I figured Nate could verify that the tape is contigeous, but that doesn't prove anything. I could have recorded in segments to any medium, gotten it onto my computer, created a spliced full version, then played that back through the VCR and recorded it. For the webcam version to make sense I would have had to also sit there the whole time mashing on the controller.
Of course none of that makes any sense because I want this run to look awesome and if I had means to do all that fanciness I'd be submitting something digital, not the inferior VHS.

That and I would've been posting something other than crappy digital camera videos of the screen for folks to see...

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But the rules do state that you cannot reset for it to be SS. At least you can ask nate to be the verifier to the tape's contiguousness. So it will be considered 3 segments, but people can trust that it was done as a single segment.

I think that's the best route to go. Obviously I'm stuck with VHS, and if we assume that, then Nate's verification of a contigious tape validate's that it was taken in a single sitting.

That and I figure folks will believe me that it was a single sitting...

I thought about using a video camera to show EVERYTHING, including me hooking up all the wires between the systems to show that what was on the screen was what was being played, and then let the camera capture both me with the controller and the screen with the run, as well as the act of the VCR recording it. I could even use a random number generator to generate a number then prove by scrolling through the menu that many times that the tape was actively recording.... and you thought your ideas were hokey Insipid! I might as well just mail myself and my N64 to Nate's and play the run there!

Anyways....I'm just waiting to hear from Radix unless anyone thinks I should just mail the three with good labeling and send all the comments to Radix and let him deal with the categories. I'm really hesitant to do that since frustrating him can have disastrous effects on how quickly my runs go through the queue.

[quote]I actually watched it, as well!  I never posted comments, though, since you seemed thoroughly finished with the game.  I loved it, btw.  It's REALLY too bad we didn't plan on you just "retrying course" to death at the end of each route to waste all your lives and restart without powering off the system... as hokey as that might sound.  That being said, everyone who reads this thread had [i]better[/i] know you did this single segment, or there's going to be hell to pay.   ;D[/quote]

Doing a ton of deaths to create a Game Over and navigate back to the start menu that way is almost butchering the run more than a simple reset.  The option to restart a level doesn't begin until like 5 seconds in, and the restart display takes another 3 seconds or so...so if I have 5-10 lives that would take somewhere around a minute of restarts that NO ONE would want to see...

That and a game over, if not completely disqualifying the run, is not the route I'd like to go... it just looks shoddy ... the real issue is that the game doesn't have a "Exit to Start Menu" option... and if it had that it would likely also have save files.  That and the Start Screen makes no sense to "Fox McCloud" himself...it is outside the game's environment, and creates a segment that way.

The argument has already been made for Zelda and folks agreed that a start screen or initial menus aren't the game because they represent the frame around the picture or the "meta-game" or something

[quote]So, what has Radix said of the new and improved redline run, of late?[/quote]

I haven't heard from Radix since he told me Restarts and Single Segment don't mix... I replied saying something like, "OK, that means I have an any% run, 3 segment 100% run, and a redline run with times of [blah].  Do you approve of these categories?  Can I send them all together to Nate now?"

[quote]Technically, that 3 segment rule isn't quite right.  As long as you see there are no stops in the VHS tape, then that's proof it is in fact a single segment.[/quote]

I figured Nate could verify that the tape is contigeous, but that doesn't prove anything.  I could have recorded in segments to any medium, gotten it onto my computer, created a spliced full version, then played that back through the VCR and recorded it.  For the webcam version to make sense I would have had to also sit there the whole time mashing on the controller. 
Of course none of that makes any sense because I want this run to look awesome and if I had means to do all that fanciness I'd be submitting something digital, not the inferior VHS.

That and I would've been posting something other than crappy digital camera videos of the screen for folks to see...

[quote]But the rules do state that you cannot reset for it to be SS.  At least you can ask nate to be the verifier to the tape's contiguousness.  So it will be considered 3 segments, but people can trust that it was done as a single segment.[/quote]

I think that's the best route to go.  Obviously I'm stuck with VHS, and if we assume that, then Nate's verification of a contigious tape validate's that it was taken in a single sitting.

That and I figure folks will believe me that it was a single sitting...

I thought about using a video camera to show EVERYTHING, including me hooking up all the wires between the systems to show that what was on the screen was what was being played, and then let the camera capture both me with the controller and the screen with the run, as well as the act of the VCR recording it.  I could even use a random number generator to generate a number then prove by scrolling through the menu that many times that the tape was actively recording.... and you thought your ideas were hokey Insipid!  I might as well just mail myself and my N64 to Nate's and play the run there!

Anyways....I'm just waiting to hear from Radix unless anyone thinks I should just mail the three with good labeling and send all the comments to Radix and let him deal with the categories.  I'm really hesitant to do that since frustrating him can have disastrous effects on how quickly my runs go through the queue.

darkwasabi

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darkwasabi: 2006-10-02 10:06:24 pm

2006-10-02 10:03:30 pm

King of hearts

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I figured Nate could verify that the tape is contigeous, but that doesn't prove anything. I could have recorded in segments to any medium, gotten it onto my computer, created a spliced full version, then played that back through the VCR and recorded it. For the webcam version to make sense I would have had to also sit there the whole time mashing on the controller.
Of course none of that makes any sense because I want this run to look awesome and if I had means to do all that fanciness I'd be submitting something digital, not the inferior VHS.

Completely untrue. If you were to assume that, then you can also assume that you did the same thing with individual levels. You'd just have to get the same kills and damage, and that would be easy because you aren't under a time constraint. If you assume this solely for this run, then all SS runs on this entire site(that don't have timers) could have gone through the same thing. Just wait for a point where the screen turns black.

So nate can check if it's contiguous, and it should be considered an SS, but classified as segmented due to the site rules.

[quote]I figured Nate could verify that the tape is contigeous, but that doesn't prove anything.  I could have recorded in segments to any medium, gotten it onto my computer, created a spliced full version, then played that back through the VCR and recorded it.  For the webcam version to make sense I would have had to also sit there the whole time mashing on the controller. 
Of course none of that makes any sense because I want this run to look awesome and if I had means to do all that fanciness I'd be submitting something digital, not the inferior VHS.[/quote]

Completely untrue.  If you were to assume that, then you can also assume that you did the same thing with individual levels.  You'd just have to get the same kills and damage, and that would be easy because you aren't under a time constraint.  If you assume this solely for this run, then all SS runs on this entire site(that don't have timers) could have gone through the same thing.  Just wait for a point where the screen turns black.

So nate can check if it's contiguous, and it should be considered an SS, but classified as segmented due to the site rules.

Psonar

2006-10-03 01:50:21 am

Long live SF64!

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Completely untrue. If you were to assume that, then you can also assume that you did the same thing with individual levels. You'd just have to get the same kills and damage, and that would be easy because you aren't under a time constraint. If you assume this solely for this run, then all SS runs on this entire site(that don't have timers) could have gone through the same thing. Just wait for a point where the screen turns black.

Yeah, when thinking about how to prove something you end up thinking up too many ways that someone could've cheated and there's always going to be a line to be drawn where you say, "yeah, that's rediculous, we're going to assume they didn't do something crazy like that."

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So nate can check if it's contiguous, and it should be considered an SS, but classified as segmented due to the site rules.

I like the way you put that. Thanks for your input on the matter.

Has this ever happened with another run? Anyone have any thoughts on my SS run being classified as 3 segments? Anyone just looking forward to seeing it and want to voice your thoughts?

[quote]Completely untrue.  If you were to assume that, then you can also assume that you did the same thing with individual levels.  You'd just have to get the same kills and damage, and that would be easy because you aren't under a time constraint.  If you assume this solely for this run, then all SS runs on this entire site(that don't have timers) could have gone through the same thing.  Just wait for a point where the screen turns black.[/quote]
Yeah, when thinking about how to prove something you end up thinking up too many ways that someone could've cheated and there's always going to be a line to be drawn where you say, "yeah, that's rediculous, we're going to assume they didn't do something crazy like that."

[quote]So nate can check if it's contiguous, and it should be considered an SS, but classified as segmented due to the site rules.[/quote]

I like the way you put that.  Thanks for your input on the matter.

Has this ever happened with another run?  Anyone have any thoughts on my SS run being classified as 3 segments?  Anyone just looking forward to seeing it and want to voice your thoughts?

BlueGlass

2006-10-03 03:26:51 am

Yep yep yep!

I think it's kind of silly that it has to be counted as segmented, but rules are rules. And hey, you can always say in your comments that you did it SS, then give the link to your recording as proof. Also, I can't wait to see the run again with good sound/picture quality.

darkwasabi

2006-10-03 08:28:42 am

King of hearts

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I think it's kind of silly that it has to be counted as segmented, but rules are rules. And hey, you can always say in your comments that you did it SS, then give the link to your recording as proof. Also, I can't wait to see the run again with good sound/picture quality.

Actually, now that I think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Immagine if I played any RPG, I went and saved the game and quit. I then loaded my file immediately afterward and finished the game, and I recorded it all like it was a SS run. No matter how you look at it, it's still segmented.

But I don't think a player who beats this run by doing it segmented should replace this one. When you started it, it was under the assumption that it would be counted as a SS, so it wouldn't be quite fair.

Then again, who the hell could beat it.

Psonar

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Psonar: 2006-10-26 11:00:16 am

2006-10-03 09:34:26 pm

Long live SF64!

If someone beats me by segmenting, I will in turn attempt to pwn them SS. If the run becomes so optimized that 3 segments are impossible to do SS, then I'll segment it myself and beat them that way, and post my best SS on the archive personally.[see edit]

I doubt there will be any competition for this run, or the other SF64 runs, but I intend to hold my ground, regardless.

Of course someone could come out of no where and be like, "Hey, Star Fox 64 is my game yo!" kinda like I did, but I sort of doubt it. Thanks for the feedback guys.

Hopefully I'll hear from Radix again soon about the 100% and Redline runs. He already said I could submit the any%, but I wanted to see if I could submit all 3 together since that just seems more logical. Maybe I was wrong? Anyways, I'm just waiting for his confirmation of the run categories and the "ok" to submit.

Edit (Oct 26): I must have been in a defensive mood that day... I'd already said I was done with the game! If anyone beats my runs I'll gladly watch it and congratulate them. End of story.

[s]If someone beats me by segmenting, I will in turn attempt to pwn them SS.  If the run becomes so optimized that 3 segments are impossible to do SS, then I'll segment it myself and beat them that way, and post my best SS on the archive personally.[/s][see edit]

I doubt there will be any competition for this run, or the other SF64 runs, but I intend to hold my ground, regardless.

Of course someone could come out of no where and be like, "Hey, Star Fox 64 is my game yo!" kinda like I did, but I sort of doubt it.  Thanks for the feedback guys.

Hopefully I'll hear from Radix again soon about the 100% and Redline runs.  He already said I could submit the any%, but I wanted to see if I could submit all 3 together since that just seems more logical.  Maybe I was wrong?  Anyways, I'm just waiting for his confirmation of the run categories and the "ok" to submit.

Edit (Oct 26): I must have been in a defensive mood that day... I'd already said I was done with the game!  If anyone beats my runs I'll gladly watch it and congratulate them.  End of story.

Optime

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Optime: 2006-10-03 10:49:57 pm

2006-10-03 10:45:08 pm

March 16, 2010

Psonar, I'm downloading this as I write this and I expect it will be outstanding.

Don't worry, SDA's community will give you the credit you deserve. I suppose the question of whether or not "Pure Single Segment Per Multiple Routes" can even be accomplished on this game deserves an answer in the future.

pyromaniac

2006-10-04 03:42:28 am

hey hey hey!!

r you submitting this Psonar? cause it sounds like an awesome speed run

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-10-04 05:09:05 am

2006-10-04 05:08:47 am

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You bet he is; he's just awaiting confirmation from Radix. Oh, and yeah, it certainly is awesome. Just check out the first page of this thread to download this and other examples of Psonar totally ravaging this game.

Optime

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Optime: 2006-10-04 01:55:24 pm

2006-10-04 08:01:55 am

March 16, 2010

Sweet, Psonar took out Starwolf in 6-7 seconds from the cut scene and finished off all four in about half a minute. My hat is off to the guy. I've only been able to get the precision early-kill on wolf a few times and I play this game a lot. And Area 6 went very smoothly for Expert Mode. (For the boss you have to be fast to take out the boss's tentacles as well as in shooting down the missile arrays.)

Congratulations, Psonar. This run is the stuff of legends. Wink

Sandbag29

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Sandbag29: 2006-10-04 08:34:56 am

2006-10-04 08:34:47 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

The quality of the webcam download (the 1:29 one) was unkind to me, so I couldn't see much on the space stages.

I know what you're thinking. (That's not Andross's brain. That's Sandbag29's brain! Way to go, Psonar for taking him out very quickly!)

Who's brain was it that he shot down anyways?

395th pointless post!

Psonar

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Psonar: 2006-10-04 05:52:27 pm

2006-10-04 05:04:28 pm

Long live SF64!

Hey, thanks for the compliments, and thanks for enduring the horrid quality of my webcam... I knew what I what I was doing when I posted it, I just wanted something up online to hype up the run. The audio was taken with a microphone that had 3 of my surround sound speakers pointed at it (though it's still soft). Anyway, thanks! Like many of you, I can't wait to see nate's version, myself!

Sandbag, I believe if you watched my fastest time, the 1:24:51, I'd had a chance to adjust some settings on my webcam to get it about 10% better at not turning space scenes into ethereal white blobs.

Thanks for your support Optime; always good to hear a review from another SF64 player!

I made this random video a while back showing my big brown chair, TV, VCR, webcam, laptop and the general setup of things when I do runs. I provide audio commentary which I guess adds character. Anyone interested in a random video of my setup?

Edit: Hey this was post 200...I think...WOOHOO!!!

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-10-04 08:52:17 pm

2006-10-04 08:51:55 pm

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Yes, actually. I've always wondered what lurked behind the camera... the lies... the deceit... the lust... the life of Psonar. Lol; okay, I've just always wondered how you arranged your setup ever since you mentioned resting the camera on a stack of books or something. Go for it!

pyromaniac

2006-10-05 02:14:12 am

hey hey hey!!

i say you do it psonar

Psonar

2006-10-05 04:39:16 am

Long live SF64!

He he he....

the setup

...enjoy this walkthrough of my immediate speedrunning environment and equipment setup...

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-10-05 05:26:10 am

2006-10-05 05:22:32 am

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Hah! The tour I must admit was unexpectedly interesting; I like your room (if that is your room, per se) much better than my own lil' stinkhole. But, how can you tolerate playing so far from the screen?

Ahhh... Pepsi, rice, and goldfish. How could I have ever doubted you were in college?

You know, someone REALLY ought to make a thread about gaming environments.... Roll Eyes

8)

Psonar

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Psonar: 2006-10-05 06:53:57 am

2006-10-05 06:36:46 am

Long live SF64!

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Hah! The tour I must admit was unexpectedly interesting; I like your room (if that is your room, per se) much better than my own lil' stinkhole. But, how can you tolerate playing so far from the screen?

That was the living room-ish area of my apartment. I think everyone's personal domain can end up a bit stink-hole-ish after a while. I wasn't going to make a video of me at my worst... I'm sure I had to pick up stray articles of clothing and whatnot...

I wasn't that far from the screen...5 feet? Maybe objects in video camera are closer than they appear...? What are you like on a bean bag right under the tube or something? That and I was fully reclined into my massive chair for some of the filming...when playing I'm sitting on the edge and leaned forward. The webcam is less than 2 feet from the TV I think and my legs are under that tray-table, so maybe it just looks far away from the initial look up from my controller...

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Ahhh... Pepsi, rice, and goldfish. How could I have ever doubted you were in college?

Dude, the pepsi and goldfish were treats. The goldfish came from a trip to Sam's Club (bulk wholesaler) where my mom was buying, and the pepsi was from work... it expired a year ago and I was sent to throw the old drinks in my trunk--er...I mean the dumpster out back...
It still tasted alright... it certainly faired better than the diet Pepsi, which had been reduced to yucky tasting soda water... and don't dis the rice... I've got a bunch of random spices thrown in there to make it all zesty!

*waits for rice to cool*
*completes Corneria...*
"hey, my rice tastes Italian this time...awesome!"
*Starts Meteo....*
[later]
*completes Sector Z*
"...note to self: cold Italian flavored rice is not a mainstream entree' for a reason"

...others should check out the video I posted above...

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You know, someone REALLY ought to make a thread about gaming environments.... Roll Eyes

8)

Consider it done!

[quote]Hah!  The tour I must admit was unexpectedly interesting; I like your room (if that is your room, per se) much better than my own lil' stinkhole.  But, how can you tolerate playing so far from the screen?[/quote]
That was the living room-ish area of my apartment.  I think everyone's personal domain can end up a bit stink-hole-ish after a while.  I wasn't going to make a video of me at my worst... I'm sure I had to pick up stray articles of clothing and whatnot...

I wasn't that far from the screen...5 feet?  Maybe objects in video camera are closer than they appear...?  What are you like on a bean bag right under the tube or something?  That and I was fully reclined into my massive chair for some of the filming...when playing I'm sitting on the edge and leaned forward.  The webcam is less than 2 feet from the TV I think and my legs are under that tray-table, so maybe it just looks far away from the initial look up from my controller...

[quote]Ahhh... Pepsi, rice, and goldfish.  How could I have ever doubted you were in college?[/quote]
Dude, the pepsi and goldfish were treats.  The goldfish came from a trip to Sam's Club (bulk wholesaler) where my mom was buying, and the pepsi was from work... it expired a year ago and I was sent to throw the old drinks in my trunk--er...I mean the dumpster out back...
It still tasted alright... it certainly faired better than the diet Pepsi, which had been reduced to yucky tasting soda water... and don't dis the rice... I've got a bunch of random spices thrown in there to make it all zesty!

*waits for rice to cool*
*completes Corneria...*
"hey, my rice tastes Italian this time...awesome!"
*Starts Meteo....*
[later]
*completes Sector Z*
"...note to self: cold Italian flavored rice is not a mainstream entree' for a [i]reason[/i]"

...others should check out the video I posted above...

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[quote]You know, someone [i]REALLY[/i] ought to make a thread about gaming environments....    ::) 8) ;D[/quote]
[url=http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=main;action=display;num=1160027481]Consider it done![/url]

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-10-05 08:33:57 am

2006-10-05 07:00:24 am

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You know, in regards to the distance from your screen, I think I'm accustomed to my television sets in my room, which are both 27 inches..? (One was a reward from work, so don't lynch!)

Haha, you think those are bad? My meals for the past seven days: Marco's pizza, Domino's Pizza, Riverbend's Pizza, Freschetta's frozen pizza, Pizza Hut Pan, a completely random dinner of Honeycomb cereal, and then East of Chicago's pizza, which I've since decided I do not like. Drinks? Diet Pepsi and Sobe energy drink (strawberry and banana); the diet pepsi is the result of diabetes paranoia, despite the obscene saturation of carbohydrates in everything else I consume.

Btw, how much did the logitech hardware cost you? I'm somewhat frustrated with the traditional methods proposed for transferring material from DVD to the internet, so I was wondering about alternative solutions such as a video camera with decent memory (even though your "capture" quality is of course comparatively lackluster, I'm still moderately interested).

You know, in regards to the distance from your screen, I think I'm accustomed to my television sets in my room, which are both 27 inches..?  (One was a reward from work, so don't lynch!)

Haha, you think [i]those[/i] are bad?  My meals for the past seven days: Marco's pizza, Domino's Pizza, Riverbend's Pizza, Freschetta's frozen pizza, Pizza Hut Pan, a completely random dinner of Honeycomb cereal, and then East of Chicago's pizza, which I've since decided I do not like.  Drinks?  Diet Pepsi and Sobe energy drink (strawberry and banana); the diet pepsi is the result of diabetes paranoia, despite the obscene saturation of carbohydrates in [i]everything[/i] else I consume.

Btw, how much did the logitech hardware cost you?  I'm somewhat frustrated with the traditional methods proposed for transferring material from DVD to the internet, so I was wondering about alternative solutions such as a video camera with decent memory (even though your "capture" quality is of course comparatively lackluster, I'm still moderately interested).

Psonar

2006-10-05 09:12:44 am

Long live SF64!

Assuming the pictures actually work for you...(none of the pictures will load...weird...) here's a solid sampling of today's webcam selections:

CompUSA's Available Webcams

The Logitech QuickCam shows up as a featured item. I got mine years ago for around $50 so there's obviously some improvements over mine. It's got an internal microphone, and maybe some more robust innards since the technology is several years more mainstream. I doubt you'll get too much more out of it than mine though, since the specs look similar. Check out other options though. Also, my level runs were done with a digital camcorder (all of these are birthday/christmas presents that I could never afford.... like your TV, Insipid). The camcorder was $200, being among the cheapest (in price and quality) digital video camera on the market. It uses SD memory (meaning I could quadruple my memory to 2GB for $100, buy a 12V DC adapter and use it for full runs) but it can't be used as a capture device by the computer, because the computer recognises it as a USB Disk Drive. With it I used a stack of books until I bought a $15 tripod, which gave me more visibility of the screen.

I'd say it would take 50-100 dollars minimum to secure a good means of capturing runs in crappy-res for quick uploads. Luckily I already had the stuff laying around from begging for cameras in years past. I'm curious why you're unable to get your DVD's online yourself. There seems to be enough folks around here who pop out videos from DVD with relative ease (DK64 theme song: "with re-la-tive ease!"). My guess is people like ballofsnow and nate confound you with their wizardry and you resign yourself to being comfortable among the ignorant? It's OK! Really! Admitting it is the first step...

Assuming the pictures actually work for you...(none of the pictures will load...weird...) here's a solid sampling of today's webcam selections:

[url=http://www.compusa.com/products/products.asp?N=200061]CompUSA's Available Webcams[/url]

The Logitech QuickCam shows up as a featured item.  I got mine years ago for around $50 so there's obviously some improvements over mine.  It's got an internal microphone, and maybe some more robust innards since the technology is several years more mainstream.  I doubt you'll get too much more out of it than mine though, since the specs look similar.  Check out other options though.  Also, my level runs were done with a digital camcorder (all of these are birthday/christmas presents that I could never afford.... like your TV, Insipid).  The camcorder was $200, being among the cheapest (in price and quality) digital video camera on the market.  It uses SD memory (meaning I could quadruple my memory to 2GB for $100, buy a 12V DC adapter and use it for full runs) but it can't be used as a capture device by the computer, because the computer recognises it as a USB Disk Drive.  With it I used a stack of books until I bought a $15 tripod, which gave me more visibility of the screen.

I'd say it would take 50-100 dollars minimum to secure a good means of capturing runs in crappy-res for quick uploads.  Luckily I already had the stuff laying around from begging for cameras in years past.  I'm curious why you're unable to get your DVD's online yourself.  There seems to be enough folks around here who pop out videos from DVD with relative ease (DK64 theme song: "with re-la-tive ease!").  My guess is people like ballofsnow and nate confound you with their wizardry and you resign yourself to being comfortable among the ignorant?  It's OK! Really! Admitting it is the first step...

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-10-06 07:13:06 am

2006-10-06 07:09:29 am

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My guess is people like ballofsnow and nate confound you with their wizardry and you resign yourself to being comfortable among the ignorant? It's OK! Really! Admitting it is the first step...

Thanks for all the information!

Oh yeah. Of course their esoteric manipulation of avisynth and huffyuv and what not confounds my oterwise reasonably computer-savvy brain! Though, I wouldn't necessarily mind having some sort of video camera for unrelated purposes, either, such as taking trips. In my defense, as well, my computer has suffered an exhausted virtual memory supply for some time now, and, until I eventually purchase an external hard drive from some place at some time for some price, I could benefit from a less intensive capturing process (although, your method would only be marginally better, from what I can tell).

Btw, I was contemplating a number of things in my routine procrastination of homework portion-of-the-day, and I was wondering whether SDA would host a speedrun of the training mode in Star Fox 64. Well, okay, I'm emphatically confident it would not, but I imagine a run of it could be pretty well defined as a 100% completion (earning all possible kills and rings) as quickly as possible, with the run ending upon the destruction of the first 'black ship' or Wolfian adversary. Ahhh... Wolfian adversary... that's tasty salt.

I know it's pointless; I can just never have enough Star Fox 64, and while I know its profoundly RIDICULOUS, it could be done (we do feature hazard course demos and what not; albeit, their endings are much more distinct, which is where the most fundamental difference is, I believe). Eh, whatever.

[quote]  My guess is people like ballofsnow and nate confound you with their wizardry and you resign yourself to being comfortable among the ignorant?  It's OK! Really! Admitting it is the first step...[/quote]

Thanks for all the information!

Oh yeah.  Of [i]course[/i] their esoteric manipulation of avisynth and huffyuv and what not confounds my oterwise reasonably computer-savvy brain!  Though, I wouldn't necessarily mind having some sort of video camera for unrelated purposes, either, such as taking trips.  In my defense, as well, my computer has suffered an exhausted virtual memory supply for some time now, and, until I eventually purchase an external hard drive from some place at some time for some price, I could benefit from a less intensive capturing process (although, your method would only be marginally better, from what I can tell).

Btw, I was contemplating a number of things in my routine procrastination of homework portion-of-the-day, and I was wondering whether SDA would host a speedrun of the training mode in Star Fox 64.   Well, okay, I'm emphatically confident it would [i]not[/i], but I imagine a run of it could be pretty well defined as a 100% completion (earning all possible kills and rings) as quickly as possible, with the run ending upon the destruction of the first 'black ship' or Wolfian adversary.    Ahhh... [i]Wolfian adversary[/i]... that's tasty salt.

I know it's pointless; I can just never have enough Star Fox 64, and while I know its profoundly RIDICULOUS, it could be done (we do feature hazard course demos and what not; albeit, their endings are [i]much[/i] more distinct, which is where the most fundamental difference is, I believe).  Eh, whatever.